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Just want you get this straight..Isreal was formed by the UN after violence drove the British out. So the UN is the one responcible for seperated the two groups that wouldn't play nice into Isreal and Palenstine.
Then the arab countires attacked Isreal. Isreal won. Took land, gave some back.
They attack again..Isreal won, took land, gave some back.
Now its happening again. This is how the arabs treat a country that gave its conquered land back.
This is not opinion..look it up, this is fact.
The U.S. is the worlds biggest polluter.
The Chinese army while big has not invaded anyone for decades.
It has a very limited offensive capability. It is currently involved in no wars and is not deployed all over the planet and threatening a variety of other soveriegn nations. It has not threatened to nuke anyone this year. And it has no history of nuking people.
Research your own data.
The U.S. is the worlds biggest polluter.
The Chinese army while big has not invaded anyone for over 50 years.
It has a very limited offensive capability. It is currently involved in no wars and is not deployed all over the planet and threatening a variety of other soveriegn nations. It has not threatened to nuke anyone this year. And it has no history of nuking people.
Research your own data.
America hater! Foudn one right here.
I should check under your bed too. Those Reds are everywhere.
Individuals outmatch nations. This is something that have yet to happen in the middle east.
As a Canadian French, a proud descendant of the "New French Empire" who rightfully steal everything from native indian, I resent a lot that the British steal our lands and then make it their country. LOL.
No human worthy of this name would kill another human for such vague concept 2 generations later. It is done. It is over. You can work pacifically or be part of the problem.
See, if instead of bullshitting the Palestinians would be doing like us, they would be able to BUILD a nation, a country, something to be proud of. See, with our unique heritage, as Canadian, I am freaking sure that if I show up in a French consulate, a US consulate, a British consulate and for any reason I want THEM to help me as a Canadian, I am pretty sure that as long as I look a little nice and depress, they would comply. Now, if instead of bullshitting all the time, Palestinians would actually BUILD Gaza, hunt criminals, then their citizens would prolly be able to get a HUGE support from the Israel all around the world, from the Palestinian gov, from the British gov and of course of all Arabs gov. But instead they fight and kill innocents, even some Arabs gov are shy about helping a tourist Palestinian and might refuse.
Get over it and BUILD. Israel is stuff that happen more than 2 generations AGO. They are RICHS, NICES, KINDS, PROTECTIVES. Do you have any idea of what economic edges and just how much Gaza could prosper if they would just be BUILDING instead of killing innocents? Israel GIVE you a LAND to call your own and is willing to help you, all they want is PEACE and NICE LIVES. Guess what, this is what most Palestinians want. Just get rid of these criminals and become an ECONOMIC LEADER for all the muslims and Arabs country damnit. This is a GOLDEN OCCASION.
If we would think like Palestinian, than Canada would still be in a Civil War since 1763! But the British gals, they need some warming if you get my meaning!
Guess what, Canada is prospering and developping like never before. Maybe Québec will become a free country, maybe it will remain part of Canada, I can't say. But I know it will be done in mutual respect and an enormous economic prosperity. If Québec become a free country, it won't change much in fact. If Québec remains part of Canada, it will be just as good. The last 2 times Québec choose to remain part of Canada...and even if the population would say they want to "secede", the provincial gov want the right to do it, they never promise it would be done...in fact they would analyze what is better. Cutting the double income tax is seriously becoming a priority. I don't understand why the feds still exort that much since they offer so little back (the army, what a joke, we got the US as a neighbor, we honestly don't need to pay 25% of our revenues for the army).
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I should check under your bed too. Those Reds are everywhere.
Last time America heard that...we had the Venona codes. So yes.
But alas, I digress. This is moving WAY off into "left field" and away from the original topic. If you wish to write a thread/essay as to whay you think Kim Jong-il is a nice guy, go for it. I will reply a bit more over there.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
No.
Ghaddafi blew up a 747 full of U.S. servicemen over Scotland.
Ghaddafi attacked us.
Ghaddafi gave up his WMD programs about 2 years ago, not after we bombed him in 1986.
Okay, now you've lost me ENTIRELY. The 6th Fleet airstrikes into Lybia took place in April 1986. Pam Am 103 blew up over Lockerbie in December 1988. So, we attacked him because of something he was going to do more than 2 years in the future?
If you are saying that the terrorist attacks at the Rome and Vienna airports by Lybian funded terrorists spurred the U.S. into action, you'd be correct. Economic sanctions were leveied. However, in the airstrikes Chemical Weapons facilities were targets as well as goverment buildings. Gadhafi may have kept research going into Chemical Warfare but his ability to deliver it at long range or disperse it over wide areas was a key target. We didn't want those weapons making their way into the hands of the terrorist groups supported by his regime.
After that fact, Gadhafi began to comply with UN inspection laws. That's where he went a different route than Saddam. In fact, I even feel as if I recall hearing from a representative from Gadhafi that he was urging Saddam to comply.
I stand corrected about lockerbie. Some other terrorist activity and maybe an assasination attempt on Reagan. Apparently. The motive is still revenge.
Sorry can't find any documentation about attacking any Libyan WMD.
No offense but this is just another invented WMD story.
As far as i can ascertain the targets in Libya were airbases at Tripoli and Benine, naval bases at Taranbulas and Benghazi, a terrorist training camp at Sidi Balal, and the Bab al Azizia barracks where Gaddafi often stayed in a Bedouin tent equipped with telephones, heaters and a television set.
No.
Ghaddafi blew up a 747 full of U.S. servicemen over Scotland.
Ghaddafi attacked us.
Ghaddafi gave up his WMD programs about 2 years ago, not after we bombed him in 1986.
Okay, now you've lost me ENTIRELY. The 6th Fleet airstrikes into Lybia took place in April 1986. Pam Am 103 blew up over Lockerbie in December 1988. So, we attacked him because of something he was going to do more than 2 years in the future?
If you are saying that the terrorist attacks at the Rome and Vienna airports by Lybian funded terrorists spurred the U.S. into action, you'd be correct. Economic sanctions were leveied. However, in the airstrikes Chemical Weapons facilities were targets as well as goverment buildings. Gadhafi may have kept research going into Chemical Warfare but his ability to deliver it at long range or disperse it over wide areas was a key target. We didn't want those weapons making their way into the hands of the terrorist groups supported by his regime.
After that fact, Gadhafi began to comply with UN inspection laws. That's where he went a different route than Saddam. In fact, I even feel as if I recall hearing from a representative from Gadhafi that he was urging Saddam to comply.
I stand corrected about lockerbie. Some other terrorist activity and maybe an assasination attempt on Reagan. (Wait, are you talking about John Hinkley Jr.? Are you trying to connect a mentally ill man with Lybia? After he stalked Jimmy Carter for years as well? Just curious what assassination attempt you are talking about.) Apparently. The motive is still revenge.
Sorry can't find any documentation about attacking any Libyan WMD.
No offense but this is just another invented WMD story.
As far as i can ascertain the targets in Libya were airbases at Tripoli and Benine, naval bases at Taranbulas and Benghazi, a terrorist training camp at Sidi Balal, and the Bab al Azizia barracks where Gaddafi often stayed in a Bedouin tent equipped with telephones, heaters and a television set.
Rabta, Tarhuna, and Sebha. Tarhuna being just outside Tripoli. You can call it an invented WMD story all you want but these WMDs DO come from somewhere. Unless you think the WMD faery swings by and supplies these people.
But as I said, we're hi-jacking this thread and it's original topic. If you want to continue this onward, feel free to create a new thread.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
I don't think Rabata was even built in 1986, let alone bombed.
Rabta, not Rabata, was the first of the three built in the 80s. Pharma-150 as it was labelled during those times.
If you are bored read http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Libya/3944.html for one example. This is really turning into the beating of a dead horse...time to move on.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Does't matter anymore, let it go guys, the purpose of this thread has been fullfilled, everyone has gained more information than before, and that is enough i think.
so let's not be like the israelies VS arab, let's be peaceful for once, just once. ok? ty.
Rabta, not Rabata, was the first of the three built in the 80s. Pharma-150 as it was labelled during those times.
If you are bored read http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Libya/3944.html for one example. This is really turning into the beating of a dead horse...time to move on.
From the link provided.
"Construction at Rabta was completed in 1988"
Sorry this is just more WMD twaddle you are peddling. They didn't bomb Rabta, in 1986 to destroy WMDs because it wasn't built. They bombed the ports, the airports and his family home.
Please stop with this WMD foolishness. It only fools you if you want to be fooled.
I got no problems with Kim Jong il. He's not my enemy and he doesn't have anything I want.
So just wait till he does nuke someone, as long as it's not you then you are fine? Once again, I'd like to nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Last time now....copy and paste elsewhere if you want. But I am not responding anymore in this thread. Create a new one if you want to debate the ethics of war and that no one is ever wrong. If you want to consider my unwillingness to subject this thread to this discussion anymore as a defualt victory, more power to you. But I am moving on.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Rabta, not Rabata, was the first of the three built in the 80s. Pharma-150 as it was labelled during those times.
If you are bored read http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Libya/3944.html for one example. This is really turning into the beating of a dead horse...time to move on.
From the link provided.
"Construction at Rabta was completed in 1988"
Sorry this is just more WMD twaddle you are peddling. They didn't bomb Rabta, in 1986 to destroy WMDs because it wasn't built. They bombed the ports, the airports and his family home.
Please stop with this WMD foolishness. It only fools you if you want to be fooled.
Completed, yes. Construction BEGAN as a chemical weapons foundry LONG before 1988. YOu prattle on and on about WMD being a "made up story" but where do you think these weapons come from, eBay?
Tarhuna was hit during the raids in 1986, however, which is why I singled it out of my FIRST listing of the three sites. I only corrected your belief that Rabta was non-existant at the time.
But yes, you are right, there are no such things as WMDs. Terrorists aren't trying to get their hands on them. This was ALL a story made up by the Boogeyman to keep you scared straight. There's no such thing as a nuclear device either. And Iran just wants to provide power to it's masses while we are at it (even though they were offered open technologies to nuclear power that could NOT be used as a weaponry and they declined, opting to stay with the "system" that could very well be used for nuclear weaponry).
Let's all sleep easy now. Baff has shown us that there's no such things as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Saddam really just killed the Kurds in his own lands with harsh language.
Have fun in your fantasy world where nothing bad exists. Remember to tell that to the IRA. They're not real. They are just a high school prank.
I am done with this nonesense.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Let's hear it for the Brittish Empire, because THAT worked out so well setting up "permamnent strongholds" everywhere.
2/3's of the world baby. Largest empire the world has ever seen. Larger than yours. Included yours actually.
I can turn on the news today and see Lybia, Egypt, and Jordan condemning Iran for their actions. Can you turn on the news and see anyone lauding him? Didn't think so.
Tune in to Iranian instead of American news.
You're first call of 60% of the PEOPLE not wanting him is now different that 60% of VOTERS. Last I checked it was actually a small, albeit pitiful, amount of people who actually vote here.
The "majority" did vote him in. While opinions may have changed, and the people are MORE than welcome to vote him out should they exercise their power (without being drug into fields and shot like you would be in N. Korea).
Castro and Chavez were elected too. They rose to power with a lot more popularity than G.B. and i don't remember there being a massive outcry about election rigging either. North Korea came about as a peoples movement too. Why so quick to judge other cultures? Look first to your own.
So you suggest that we NOT take what we've learned from our past and try to help those being slaughtered. Well then, damn that England for giving shelted to those Jews after WWII. *rolls eyes* Your logic here says "Oh well, we did it, so other people can do it to so they will learn." Now THAT is what I call a GREAT humanitarian motto.
I'm tempted to suggest that you have not had much of a past or enough time to learn too much from it. What I really suggest is that there is nothing Humanitarian about war. Killing loads of people isn't an act of love or kindness. When you try and make out that it is, don't be suprised if no one buys into it.
I've seen NOTHING in my words to suggest that I think the U.S. government is perfect in any way, shape, nor form. In fact, I've spoken to the contrary many a times on this forum. Apparently, reading isn't your forte. I do see a patern that you get stuck on a single point a tad easy.
My point here is not to bring the U.S. government or people to book. It is to demonstrate to you that demonisation isn't history. What people say about other peoples countries isn't based as much on fact as it is agenda. Every demonisation you have made about others sounds equally as credible when made about yours.
Hence, neither are very credible. It's fools talk for the people who prefer to be lead than think freely.
I've yet to meet an American who would say "Bush had my family shot for disagreeing with him in public". There goes that apple and orange again. Not liking someone, and being threatened daily by soemone are two WHOLLY different things
I've yet to meet a Cuban with the same problem. I'm not a major student, bit for what it's worth I've also never seen anybody disagree with the president of the U.S. in public.
True enough, but the flipside of that coin is that SOMETIMES the enemy IS that gruesom and needs to be taken down for even more righteous reasons than "I want what he has." If all you believe in is fighting for or against people as long as they have SOMETHING you want then you, my friend, are worse than ANY American that could be called the scum of the Earth.
The world is full of "gruesome leaders", terrible and atrocious.Iit should not be lost on you that more often than not, unless they have something we want or are directly attcking us, we never take them down. Our righteous fervour is notably missing when self intrest is absent.
I'm just honest. When I'm just figthing for oil and world domination, I admit it. I don't try and kid you, I don't try and kid myself. I understand the nature of my wealth. I know the price that needs to be paid to live this way. I don't have to justify my wars with words like "freedom" and "democracy" and "god" and "prophecy". I don't need to rebrand my invasions, liberations, my puppet governments full and free democracies. I accept the bad that comes with good. It's the price.
I lead a pretty good life. So do my loved ones. I'm ready to kill to maintain it. You probably are too.
If you can, read my Avatar, then preach to me the Warrior Code. Once you are done reading The Art of War, and The Book of the Five Rings come talk to me about the difference between respecting an opponents capability and respecting your opponent in general.
I've read the Art of War.
I think you should re-read it. In case you have only read it as well as the links you posted me.
I'm not intrested in respecting my opponents capabilities only, I also wish to respect his way of life. There is always something to learn. However it is that he is living, if it is worth dying for, it is worth learning about.
Okay, first, can I suggest you meet a new friend called "the enter key". That mess is as run-on as it gets. Makes it kind of hard to read what your point is.
Now, since you are such a grand intellect here to shine the light down on us all...
Israel is going to fight regardless of our backing or not. While I will concur with you that they HAVE our backing and that may enbolden them a bit, they are a country surrounded by people out for their blood. Sitting in your safe little home it's easy for you to wag a finger around and point blame but until you live a day in that life you really don't have foot one to stand on in the way of judgement.
Now when you say "connect this Hezbollah" that really tells me that you're acting as if we've never heard about them before. I grew UP hearing about Hezbollah. They were the Al Queda of the 80s. They're not some "new" group that's been made up by the media to control the masses into some mass-hypnosis syndrome like you seem to think everyone has fallen under. Ask the Lebonese Government who they are? They don't like them. However, due to exploitation of an open voting system roughly 20% of the Lebonese Government IS Hezbollah. This took place LONG before anything that is going on today. Seems to me you've not read much in the way of history over there. As for whether or not Iran is supporting Hezbollah, most of their weapons DO come from Iran. Iran IS a trouble maker, straight out. Ask Pakistan, Egypt, Lybia, or Suadi Arabia. Iranians are "persians" and think themselves above the "arabs". So it doesn't shock me that they would use arabs to do their dirty work for them.
So Israel is at war with Lebanon now? That's odd, last I heard the declaration was between Israel and Hezbollah. If you're going to point out the targets attacked by Israel, feel free to read up in this thread in one of my previous posts, read Sun Tzu, take a few basic lesson in strategy, then come back to me.
It amazes me how you claim EVERYONE is so under the spell of the current government in the U.S. ( though I would like to point out that Hezbollah has been around since at the VERY least Reagan, which means Bush Sr. and Clinton too. You're brainwashing theory starts getting a little long in the tooth here ) but you are STUCK on oil, oil, oil. Do you even realise just how much oil there is in the REST of the world? Yet you can freely spout out phrases like "One of the largest oil producing countries in the world" without a single point of research to back that up? You are sounding like a broken record with the "oil song" going over and over in your head. Oil may be "A" reason but stop trying to sum it up as "THE" reason for everything. You really may want to think about putting your tinfoil hat on to tune out the CIAs brain-manipulating-waves for a few moments.
Now, where you lost me entirely. Military Strongholds in the Middle East by TAKING Afghanistan and Iraq? Are you implying that we've had no real military presence there until we went into those two countries? Kuwait and Suadi Arabia could tell you otherwise. We've openly had bases in those two countries for at least 15+ years. I guess we were looking for another "Military Stronghold" when we bombed the tar out of old MoMo Gadhafi back in the 80s too?
I guess since we're only in it for oil Venuzeula must be next. I mean, they produce more oil that Iraq and we can't STAND Hugo "I've been funding the import of illegal aliens into the United States for quite some time just to mess with you all" Chavez there. And hell, look how much CLOSER that is. Weeee....
Dont give that BULL about you "living the life" blah blah. Turn off your tv and read.
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The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced.-
Frank Zappa
I'm reluctant to see the headlines now, good thing it's my homepage and it forces me to keep on top of it.
I am seriously disappointed with both sides for being so trigger-happy. This is a stupid replay for someone around long enough.
You know how you read about wars in the annals of history, that lasted so and so many decades, some centuries, and you wonder how the hell was it possible that anyone could act so brutishly with each other across so many generations? I mean, how could anyone be so foolishly proud to do that, right?
Well, it looks like this. It's what's happening, right now.
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