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Okay, first, can I suggest you meet a new friend called "the enter key". That mess is as run-on as it gets. Makes it kind of hard to read what your point is.
Now, since you are such a grand intellect here to shine the light down on us all...
Israel is going to fight regardless of our backing or not. While I will concur with you that they HAVE our backing and that may enbolden them a bit, they are a country surrounded by people out for their blood. Sitting in your safe little home it's easy for you to wag a finger around and point blame but until you live a day in that life you really don't have foot one to stand on in the way of judgement.
Now when you say "connect this Hezbollah" that really tells me that you're acting as if we've never heard about them before. I grew UP hearing about Hezbollah. They were the Al Queda of the 80s. They're not some "new" group that's been made up by the media to control the masses into some mass-hypnosis syndrome like you seem to think everyone has fallen under. Ask the Lebonese Government who they are? They don't like them. However, due to exploitation of an open voting system roughly 20% of the Lebonese Government IS Hezbollah. This took place LONG before anything that is going on today. Seems to me you've not read much in the way of history over there. As for whether or not Iran is supporting Hezbollah, most of their weapons DO come from Iran. Iran IS a trouble maker, straight out. Ask Pakistan, Egypt, Lybia, or Suadi Arabia. Iranians are "persians" and think themselves above the "arabs". So it doesn't shock me that they would use arabs to do their dirty work for them.
So Israel is at war with Lebanon now? That's odd, last I heard the declaration was between Israel and Hezbollah. If you're going to point out the targets attacked by Israel, feel free to read up in this thread in one of my previous posts, read Sun Tzu, take a few basic lesson in strategy, then come back to me.
It amazes me how you claim EVERYONE is so under the spell of the current government in the U.S. ( though I would like to point out that Hezbollah has been around since at the VERY least Reagan, which means Bush Sr. and Clinton too. You're brainwashing theory starts getting a little long in the tooth here ) but you are STUCK on oil, oil, oil. Do you even realise just how much oil there is in the REST of the world? Yet you can freely spout out phrases like "One of the largest oil producing countries in the world" without a single point of research to back that up? You are sounding like a broken record with the "oil song" going over and over in your head. Oil may be "A" reason but stop trying to sum it up as "THE" reason for everything. You really may want to think about putting your tinfoil hat on to tune out the CIAs brain-manipulating-waves for a few moments.
Now, where you lost me entirely. Military Strongholds in the Middle East by TAKING Afghanistan and Iraq? Are you implying that we've had no real military presence there until we went into those two countries? Kuwait and Suadi Arabia could tell you otherwise. We've openly had bases in those two countries for at least 15+ years. I guess we were looking for another "Military Stronghold" when we bombed the tar out of old MoMo Gadhafi back in the 80s too?
I guess since we're only in it for oil Venuzeula must be next. I mean, they produce more oil that Iraq and we can't STAND Hugo "I've been funding the import of illegal aliens into the United States for quite some time just to mess with you all" Chavez there. And hell, look how much CLOSER that is. Weeee....
Dont give that BULL about you "living the life" blah blah. Turn off your tv and read.
*EDIT* I had a lengthy rebuttal to your deep minded thoughts you so shared above. But alas, I decided I'd sooner waste my breath screaming at a wall to move than bother conversing with you any further. Good day, sir.
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It is depressing to see people die, period. Now I voice my support for Israel namely because Hezbollah hasn't given them any terms which they can comply to. "Die" isn't what I would call an easy demand to comply with. I really hope that Israel shows a bit of restraint. I know some civilians have died in their attacks but I don't know if that's possible to keep from happening completely. Especially with Hezbollah going out of their way to hide behind civilians.
What saddens me was to watch the Lebanese Prime Minister choked up today when he was asking people to remain calm. I think that poor guy IS stuck between a rock and a hard place as , and I am parahrasing a CNN reporter here, Lebanon is dealing with the problems of a Militia that it can't control because 20% of their legislature belongs to said party that leads that Militia. At this point their options are to let Israel take a crack at Hezbollah or to start an internal revolution within their own government to remove Hezbollah from power. It's probably easier for them to let Israel have a go because they can paint them as the "bad guy" rather than dealing with the chaos that a revolution causes.
With all the wars the U.S. has been involved in I count myself lucky that it's a minor number compared to some countries and their histories. Hell, all French jokes aside, those poor guys had to endure 100 years of war in their past. It's easy for anyone in a country that HASN'T seen war in their front yard to lose perspective a bit.
I DO hope that perhaps with a good UN/Foreign Diplomacy Party showing there that something can be reached, but as much as I think Israel might listen to said party I just don't see Hezbollah really saying "Oh, okay, because the UN said we should stop we will."
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
rofl well said :P
*cough cough* Indonesia and Venezuela?
As i see it, the military superpower the U.S used to be is fading away. And therefore their bases around the world are now completely irrelevant. Bush thinks America still dominates the world, which is not the case.
The U.S. has undergone a recent period of rapid military expansion. Both in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
Could you elaborate further about Indonesia and Venzuala please. I'm a little to dense to work out your meaning today.
I concur with Malachi's assesment. I think The israeli's are going to end up re-occupying the border in southern Lebanon. i don't see who else has the infrastructure and the will to do it. And I don't see Hesbollah stopping their attacks out of goodwill.
Israel can probably kick the asses of everyone in the middle east and I'd love to see them do it so we'd stop hearing crap from them. Frankly I could careless about the middle east, it's a jumped up mess of raging lunatics.
Darfur and any number of areas in Africa have my sympathies. The world ignores it and continues to ignore it yet most of the people being killed are civilians.
Good luck placing the blame on Israel, the whole area is a black pit.
Why the hell are we talking about this hear for, it's a site about games not RL, who the hell cares.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Delete and lock this forum.
These types of threads shouldn't be posted at a sensitive time. And not on a game forum.
I have reported this to the admin.
I know people will flame me and say I'm foolish and other things, and if I don't like it, don't post. But we don't need to know about it all the time. It's on the news enough.
I come to MMORPG.com to read about games and other crap, not current world events about people dying. Sorry.
I'd suggest avoiding the OT sections then. While we may be gamers not ALL of us think solely about games. This is the venue for those of us who think about world events to discuss. As long as the conversations stay civil (and I will be the first to admit some have not) then there's no reason to run around screaming "censorship".
The arguement "I don't want to read this type of stuff" is pretty easily rebutted by...don't.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
when wars are fought by the poor, and started by the rich who can afford to run for office, wars never end because the people negatively impacted have no power, and the people positively impacted have nothing to lose and everything to gain.(those who seize the oil fields after it's done, those who build the walmarts later)
we are forever slaves to the will of the wealthy.
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It is depressing to see people die, period. Now I voice my support for Israel namely because Hezbollah hasn't given them any terms which they can comply to. "Die" isn't what I would call an easy demand to comply with. I really hope that Israel shows a bit of restraint. I know some civilians have died in their attacks but I don't know if that's possible to keep from happening completely. Especially with Hezbollah going out of their way to hide behind civilians.
What saddens me was to watch the Lebanese Prime Minister choked up today when he was asking people to remain calm. I think that poor guy IS stuck between a rock and a hard place as , and I am parahrasing a CNN reporter here, Lebanon is dealing with the problems of a Militia that it can't control because 20% of their legislature belongs to said party that leads that Militia. At this point their options are to let Israel take a crack at Hezbollah or to start an internal revolution within their own government to remove Hezbollah from power. It's probably easier for them to let Israel have a go because they can paint them as the "bad guy" rather than dealing with the chaos that a revolution causes.
With all the wars the U.S. has been involved in I count myself lucky that it's a minor number compared to some countries and their histories. Hell, all French jokes aside, those poor guys had to endure 100 years of war in their past. It's easy for anyone in a country that HASN'T seen war in their front yard to lose perspective a bit.
I DO hope that perhaps with a good UN/Foreign Diplomacy Party showing there that something can be reached, but as much as I think Israel might listen to said party I just don't see Hezbollah really saying "Oh, okay, because the UN said we should stop we will."
the hezbollah were forced from their homelands and left to suffer economic deprevation as a result.
it's a bunch of disaffected members of the working class who got screwed over by israels theft of their land.
obviously israel has no desire to meet their demands, else they wouldnt have stolen their stuff in the first place
can you really say the hezbollah havent given reasonable terms? it's like having someone walk into your home with guns, toss you out, kill some of your family while they're at, and then asking the person who just got robbed to conjure 'reasonable' demands.
wtf. it's obvious what they want, it's obvious what they are justly owed.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
When all the OT are the major topics, it gets quite annoying to log on and see "Many deaths... or this or some other stupid topic"
It might not be stupid to some people, but politics, wars and religion only lead to flaming. It's a fact and they always get closed sooner then later.
I knew someone like you would say "Don't like it, don't read", but I'm sick and tired of seeing this shit here. If you want to post topics or think it's cool and awesome to talk about war... post on MSNBC.com or some other forum.
There's TONS of people JUST-LIKE-YOU! who could talk for days about this.
I personally do not think it should be allowed here on MMORPG.com. You might be right, and I agree that I don't always talk about games, but on a GAME FORUM, that usually is what is talked about.
SO please take your war crap somewhere else.
This is where you're lost. THIS section ISN'T a GAME FORUM. While it may be part of a Gaming Site many OTHER topics go on here. If I am supposed to be offended that someone "just like me" could talk about World Problems instead of burying my head in the sands of a video game, I'm not. I don't think it's "cool" nor "awesome" to talk about war, but I think it's stupid to play the typical westerner role of "If I pretend it doesn't exist it will all go away!".
Gaming is a diversified community. You get to hear the commentary and opinions of people all over the world how many not have come in contact with one another if it weren't FOR gaming. So it only seems natural that we're going to discuss real life problems amongst ourselves. What you are asking for is censorship. You don't want to see people talking about what YOU don't want to read. I suppose you called you cable company up today and asked them to block CNN while you were at it because you couldn't be bothered to make the conscious decision to skip that channel.
But again, you've made a conscious effort and decision to come right back into this very thread, which you could just as easily ignore, and post. That's part of the joys of liberties and freedom. I can choose what I want to listen to and what I don't want to listen to. No one is forcing me at gunpoint to discuss any of this, I just respect some of my fellow members of the gaming community and enjoy discussing things from other viewpoints. I'm not going to "go away" because *you* don't like what we're talking about here. There's absolutely ZERO justification in your reasoning that you think that couple dozen of us who want to discuss real world issues should leave to suit YOU. That's pretty self-centered.
Now, if the title of a given thread were to be misleading so as to rope people into reading something they didn't want to, I would agree with you. But if you see "We're talking about war in here." Do yourself a favour, don't click it. Anything else would be considered an obsessive compulsion.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
rofl well said :P
he makes a good point.
when saddam invaded kuwait, we were more than happy to march in and kill back.
who's marching in to kill israel? they're just dropping bombs, and then claiming the bodies belong to hezbollah leadership, since dead bodies cant repudiate that argument.
serious, we suffer from some serious hypocrisy.
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I have a good feeling one or more of my post will be deleted due to "trolling" in a forum where I have every right as the next person.
This might be off-topic, but it does NOT belong here.
What if I went to MSNBC and made tons of threads about games... people would think I'm nuts.
rofl well said :P
he makes a good point.
when saddam invaded kuwait, we were more than happy to march in and kill back.
who's marching in to kill israel? they're just dropping bombs, and then claiming the bodies belong to hezbollah leadership, since dead bodies cant repudiate that argument.
serious, we suffer from some serious hypocrisy.
Israel hasn't denied that some civilian have been killed. That's kind of impossible to achieve when your enemy hides among them. However, looking at Southern Beruit, and area which the Sonora govenment has openly admitted is the headquarters area of Hezbollah in Lebanon I can see why Israel is aiming there.
I will be the first to admit that blasting randomly into a countries lands is stupid, but Israel is by far the lesser of two evils here since they can at least direct their munitions. Unlike Hezbollah who is using the "light fuse, point rocket that way, run" method. Hell, their last attack was so well aimed that they killed dozens of shrubs in the fields.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
I l ove to sit back a nd see all this support for Israel. And its all because you are ignorant. I dont blame you, I blame our news. But I do blame you because you still sit and let with FLITH be fed to you. But I guess thats how you like your news, sppon fed.
Watch the news sometime with an OPEN MIND! Watch how they spin everything in Israels favor. They never say how many civs Israels bombs have killed today. All they talk about is how bad is Hezbollah and his people.
The rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer. Thats that.
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"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Who, huh, wha? Are you even watching something like CNN? They list out the deathtolls daily on both sides. They've even gone out of their way to point out that the Lebanese Deathtolls GRAVELY outnumber the Israeli deathtolls. And I've yet ONCE to hear Wolf Blitzer call them anything BUT Lebanese deaths. He's not implying that they are all Hezbollah.
Meanwhile they are pushing sites like BloggingBeruit along with Israel Blogs. I am starting to wonder if you are actually watching the news, Robby, or just acusing us of watching something you've never even seen. Sometimes you make sense, other times you go Jim Jones on me.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
[Edited by Finwe]
If you could actually go 5 seconds without namecalling your plea for "respect" might actually carry a little more warrant. It's not a twist when I specifically answer something you said. So far, you're the ONLY one here violating MMORPG.com forum rules left and right.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
what's wrong with the IRA?
they seem pretty justified in what they do.
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Israel can probably kick the asses of everyone in the middle east and I'd love to see them do it so we'd stop hearing crap from them. Frankly I could careless about the middle east, it's a jumped up mess of raging lunatics.
Darfur and any number of areas in Africa have my sympathies. The world ignores it and continues to ignore it yet most of the people being killed are civilians.
Good luck placing the blame on Israel, the whole area is a black pit.
Why the hell are we talking about this hear for, it's a site about games not RL, who the hell cares.
dead people are always "terrorists", or "enemy combatants"
you know what they say, silence is compliance.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
I dont think that their plan is to take over the entire middle east and eradicate the entire muslim religion(they would be pretty big hypocrites if they did that). They seem to be just fed up with the bombings and the talk of eradication of their people.
But you do know that Hamas are Sunni, or at least claim to be, but they still speak of the eradication of Israel. And that answers your question to the reason why the western world views all islams as Shiite, they control more power.
They are both great religions if they actually follow their beliefs but it seems as if alot of them stray from that.
it's pretty hard to make these vast overgeneralizations of religious entities.
it's like suggesting that all christians are racist, sexist, chavinist, abortion clinic bombing, anti science, hypocritical, kkk, nra supporting land owning white aristocrats who profess religion ostentatiously while really eradicating the rights and status of the working class who mindlessly follows them.
obviously it's elitist, so not all of them fall under that category.
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