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I really don't know why anyone is bringing religion into this in the first place.
The religions you guys are referring to are ancient stories of people's trials along with the ancient's interpretations of our creation and afterlife. Times have changed, yet you people still want to refer to old definitions of things like the 'heavens' and books intended for the people of that period.
You're speaking of books that have talking snakes, animals jammed into a boat, virgin births, miracles, and magic. All of which you know are impossible.
If someone came to you and told you they just talked to a snake would you look at them with reverence and ask them to tell you the ways of the creator? Yet, somehow that fairy tale has been portrayed as fact.
And your fairy tale of homosexuality is the right thing and we need to force everyone to like it or get out isnt fact either.
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Again, you keep saying that as if it is FACT. But it is not fact for everyone.
I told you, my rabbi told me that homosexuality is not a sin. He has studied the Torah and that is his interpretation and that is what he shares with us. There are many other rabbi's who feel the same way. There are many other Jews who feel the same way. And even amongst you Christians there are followers who don't see the sin of a man loving another man if that is what is natural for them.
We Jews take pride in our religion allowing and even promoting discussion about our religious doctrines. One man's truth is not anothers. Even amongst us Jews. We have lively debates with each other, but we never condemn one another for not finding the same things in our lives and in our studies.
So why don't you address the FACT that not everyone is required to live the way you see fit, not even in our own religions. Address what my rabbi said instead of avoiding it.
Your rabbi lied, I already posted the torah quote that clearly states that G-d doesnt condone the act of homosexuality but it doesnt say anything about the person themself.
But in the talmund it also says that Rabbis can out debate G-D. and that To disobey a rabbi means you will boil in hot excrement for eternity.
Christianity is different in that we take the word for what it is, we dont try to out debate it i guess. I didnt know that judaism was considered open to debate and its scripture submit to editing. I have learned a lot.
My rabbi lies? Okay, well since your religion and your interpretations are so much better than mine and my rabbi's, then I guess I have to follow your messianic truths.
Get over yourself. And I wish that you could go head to head with my rabbi. He would have you crying in your misinformed hatred and wondering how you ever lived in such a world where you despise others so much.
I couldn't imagine having such free reign to turn a hateful eye on a group of people and still maintain a peaceful outlook on this creation I have been given.
In "my religion" Christianity, jesus told the same people that murdered him "They are of their father the devil and he is a liar and is the father of it, and the lusts of their father they will do". John 8:44
So I, you know, kinda gotta ask. Could he be lying? who knows.
Personally i try to stay away from rabbis, not the orthodox ones just the pro zionists. They are loud.
How do you know Jesus said that? Did Jesus write that down? Who wrote it and how long after you alledge Jesus said that was that text created?
Were you there? How do you know the author of that text didn't insert some of his own emotion and bias?
You don't.
But then again, you equate pedophiles with homosexuals, as Driver8 pointed out. So your credentials are pretty slim when it comes to this discussion anyway. It's obvious you have an agenda.
Well, at least you admit you are forcing your beliefs on us.
The only people forcing beliefs on americans are the ZionistsMulticulutralists in the media pushing 247 on the box in every families home. and the ones enforcing "hate" laws banning certain speech and ideas. While at the same time the hippocrits tout diversity and tolerance.
If you knew anything about OneMuslim you'd know what I was talking about.
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There are tons of falsities and contradictions in every religious text there is. How could there not be when they were all written by men? We're contradictory by our very nature.
Again, you keep saying that as if it is FACT. But it is not fact for everyone.
I told you, my rabbi told me that homosexuality is not a sin. He has studied the Torah and that is his interpretation and that is what he shares with us. There are many other rabbi's who feel the same way. There are many other Jews who feel the same way. And even amongst you Christians there are followers who don't see the sin of a man loving another man if that is what is natural for them.
We Jews take pride in our religion allowing and even promoting discussion about our religious doctrines. One man's truth is not anothers. Even amongst us Jews. We have lively debates with each other, but we never condemn one another for not finding the same things in our lives and in our studies.
So why don't you address the FACT that not everyone is required to live the way you see fit, not even in our own religions. Address what my rabbi said instead of avoiding it.
Your rabbi lied, I already posted the torah quote that clearly states that G-d doesnt condone the act of homosexuality but it doesnt say anything about the person themself.
But in the talmund it also says that Rabbis can out debate G-D. and that To disobey a rabbi means you will boil in hot excrement for eternity.
Christianity is different in that we take the word for what it is, we dont try to out debate it i guess. I didnt know that judaism was considered open to debate and its scripture submit to editing. I have learned a lot.
My rabbi lies? Okay, well since your religion and your interpretations are so much better than mine and my rabbi's, then I guess I have to follow your messianic truths.
Get over yourself. And I wish that you could go head to head with my rabbi. He would have you crying in your misinformed hatred and wondering how you ever lived in such a world where you despise others so much.
I couldn't imagine having such free reign to turn a hateful eye on a group of people and still maintain a peaceful outlook on this creation I have been given.
In "my religion" Christianity, jesus told the same people that murdered him "They are of their father the devil and he is a liar and is the father of it, and the lusts of their father they will do". John 8:44
So I, you know, kinda gotta ask. Could he be lying? who knows.
Personally i try to stay away from rabbis, not the orthodox ones just the pro zionists. They are loud.
How do you know Jesus said that? Did Jesus write that down? Who wrote it and how long after you alledge Jesus said that was that text created?
Were you there? How do you know the author of that text didn't insert some of his own emotion and bias?
You don't.
But then again, you equate pedophiles with homosexuals, as Driver8 pointed out. So your credentials are pretty slim when it comes to this discussion anyway. It's obvious you have an agenda.
Listen, stop telling me i dont know anything before even finding out. Jesus told his disciple John and john wrote it in the book of john which was added to the bible. Thats how the book of psalm and the different books work. And thats right i do equate them with one in the same, because they both have tendencies that are out of the norm and should be addressed because they cant breed and yet they still think its natural and the right way to live.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
If you are interested, read the book of john chapter 8. When he told those people that he knew they meant to murder him.
Just because the media is a monopoly and doesnt talk about it doesnt mean its not there.
So you are saying that he meant that all jews are the sons and daughters of satan? If so, you are a blithering idiot. But that is what I got out of your post.
Again, you keep saying that as if it is FACT. But it is not fact for everyone.
I told you, my rabbi told me that homosexuality is not a sin. He has studied the Torah and that is his interpretation and that is what he shares with us. There are many other rabbi's who feel the same way. There are many other Jews who feel the same way. And even amongst you Christians there are followers who don't see the sin of a man loving another man if that is what is natural for them.
We Jews take pride in our religion allowing and even promoting discussion about our religious doctrines. One man's truth is not anothers. Even amongst us Jews. We have lively debates with each other, but we never condemn one another for not finding the same things in our lives and in our studies.
So why don't you address the FACT that not everyone is required to live the way you see fit, not even in our own religions. Address what my rabbi said instead of avoiding it.
Your rabbi lied, I already posted the torah quote that clearly states that G-d doesnt condone the act of homosexuality but it doesnt say anything about the person themself.
But in the talmund it also says that Rabbis can out debate G-D. and that To disobey a rabbi means you will boil in hot excrement for eternity.
Christianity is different in that we take the word for what it is, we dont try to out debate it i guess. I didnt know that judaism was considered open to debate and its scripture submit to editing. I have learned a lot.
My rabbi lies? Okay, well since your religion and your interpretations are so much better than mine and my rabbi's, then I guess I have to follow your messianic truths.
Get over yourself. And I wish that you could go head to head with my rabbi. He would have you crying in your misinformed hatred and wondering how you ever lived in such a world where you despise others so much.
I couldn't imagine having such free reign to turn a hateful eye on a group of people and still maintain a peaceful outlook on this creation I have been given.
In "my religion" Christianity, jesus told the same people that murdered him "They are of their father the devil and he is a liar and is the father of it, and the lusts of their father they will do". John 8:44
So I, you know, kinda gotta ask. Could he be lying? who knows.
Personally i try to stay away from rabbis, not the orthodox ones just the pro zionists. They are loud.
How do you know Jesus said that? Did Jesus write that down? Who wrote it and how long after you alledge Jesus said that was that text created?
Were you there? How do you know the author of that text didn't insert some of his own emotion and bias?
You don't.
But then again, you equate pedophiles with homosexuals, as Driver8 pointed out. So your credentials are pretty slim when it comes to this discussion anyway. It's obvious you have an agenda.
Listen, stop telling me i dont know anything before even finding out. Jesus told his disciple John and john wrote it in the book of john which was added to the bible. Thats how the book of psalm and the different books work. And thats right i do equate them with one in the same, because they both have tendencies that are out of the norm and should be addressed because they cant breed and yet they still think its natural and the right way to live.
Rofl, point proven. John didn't write the book of John.
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Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
Well, at least you admit you are forcing your beliefs on us.
The only people forcing beliefs on americans are the ZionistsMulticulutralists in the media pushing 247 on the box in every families home. and the ones enforcing "hate" laws banning certain speech and ideas. While at the same time the hippocrits tout diversity and tolerance.
Oh, so you're not forcing your beliefs on American's?
There are homosexual American's.
Well, at least you admit you are forcing your beliefs on us.
The only people forcing beliefs on americans are the ZionistsMulticulutralists in the media pushing 247 on the box in every families home. and the ones enforcing "hate" laws banning certain speech and ideas. While at the same time the hippocrits tout diversity and tolerance.
Oh really? and how about:
"If you don't do this, you will go to hell"
"Your not allowed to do that, or you will be punished and you will end up in hell"
"No, sorry, hellfire for you".
"If you don't do this, you will go to hell"
"Your not allowed to do that, or you will be punished and you will end up in hell"
"No, sorry, hellfire for you".
Just a stab in the dark here, but those are quotes by zerogenum, right?
Well, at least you admit you are forcing your beliefs on us.
The only people forcing beliefs on americans are the ZionistsMulticulutralists in the media pushing 247 on the box in every families home. and the ones enforcing "hate" laws banning certain speech and ideas. While at the same time the hippocrits tout diversity and tolerance.
Oh, so you're not forcing your beliefs on American's?
There are homosexual American's.
Reavo heres why you're wrong.
Homos and anyone not european were written OUT of america until ted kennedy changed it in 1965. Homos are still banned from being married. So if everyones belief is the same and everyone agreed that this is the way the country should be. Then im not forcing anything, its what everyone wants. Its YOU who seeks to change it and people like YOU.
Its as plain as the great plains.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
And your fairy tale of homosexuality is the right thing and we need to force everyone to like it or get out isnt fact either.
Did I ever say force everyone to like homosexuals? Please don't misrepresent me.
Now, why don't you go talk to that snake in your yard. Maybe he'll understand your insane rantings?
Well, at least you admit you are forcing your beliefs on us.
The only people forcing beliefs on americans are the ZionistsMulticulutralists in the media pushing 247 on the box in every families home. and the ones enforcing "hate" laws banning certain speech and ideas. While at the same time the hippocrits tout diversity and tolerance.
Oh, so you're not forcing your beliefs on American's?
There are homosexual American's.
Reavo heres why you're wrong.
Homos and anyone not european were written OUT of america until ted kennedy changed it in 1965. Homos are still banned from being married. So if everyones belief is the same and everyone agreed that this is the way the country should be. Then im not forcing anything, its what everyone wants. Its YOU who seeks to change it and people like YOU.
Its as plain as the great plains.
You need to learn that we do not live in a Democracy. Mob rules is not our law. We live in a representative Republic. And our founding doctrines promise equal treatment to each and every citizen of this country. If you can't understand where denying a group of people their civil rights is unconstitutional then you are stuck back in the 50's and segregated bathrooms.
Well, at least you admit you are forcing your beliefs on us.
The only people forcing beliefs on americans are the ZionistsMulticulutralists in the media pushing 247 on the box in every families home. and the ones enforcing "hate" laws banning certain speech and ideas. While at the same time the hippocrits tout diversity and tolerance.
Oh, so you're not forcing your beliefs on American's?
There are homosexual American's.
Reavo heres why you're wrong.
Homos and anyone not european were written OUT of america until ted kennedy changed it in 1965. Homos are still banned from being married. So if everyones belief is the same and everyone agreed that this is the way the country should be. Then im not forcing anything, its what everyone wants. Its YOU who seeks to change it and people like YOU.
Its as plain as the great plains.
You need to learn that we do not live in a Democracy. Mob rules is not our law. We live in a representative Republic. And our founding doctrines promise equal treatment to each and every citizen of this country. If you can't understand where denying a group of people their civil rights is unconstitutional then you are stuck back in the 50's and segregated bathrooms.
Yes "and to the REPUBLIC" for which it stands. Yet you don't give a damn about representatives and their power if you don't like them. You call our forefathers racist because of americas slave policy. But if theres a rep that you like then you think everyone should like them. And the fact is that homo marriage is still banned everywhere except massachusettes where the traitor ted kennedy reigns says even still that americas majority hates the idea.
its funny that the crat reps like him are drunkards, and that chappaquitta thing doesnt help either.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
And then there's you, believing literally a book about talking snakes. And calling homosexuals pedophiles. And then going off on some partisan rant that makes absolutely no sense at all.
Credentials = 0
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
I'm going to go visit my homosexual friends. I need to go talk to some people that aren't stuck on some authoritarian religious high road.
Not to mention they always have a fridge stocked with beer. Yay, Saturday!!!
Oh, so now the pinnacle of character is to be "normal". Dude, like I said you have no credentials. What do you know about homosexuals when you call them pedophiles? You don't know what the f**k you're talking about. You're on some agenda driven mission that shows the hate in your heart.
Keep your "normal" shit to yourself. I never strived to be normal in anything outside of my cholesterol count. When it comes to philosophy I'd rather be around the thinkers instead of the followers.
I hear that!!!
I have a wonderful idea. We should have a movement called "Freedom for gays" We make a country with only gays in it so they can get away from mean spirited guys like me and live freely by themselves. It'll be like israel only for gay people.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
I just wonder how often you and your wonderful holier than thou group engage in sinful sex but feel you've been given a free pass, because you're "normal"?
Shame, shame, shame on you. You're an abomination you sinner. The devil has his eyes on your closing date.
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I just wonder how often you and your wonderful holier than thou group engage in sinful sex but feel you've been given a free pass, because you're "normal"?
Shame, shame, shame on you. You're an abomination you sinner. The devil has his eyes on your closing date.
So you're arguement is to accuse me of something with no proof. NICE ONE BUDDY AWESOME GJ CHAMPION! /plays rocky music
You're just mad because we dont need gays to survive as a country but you need us and thats why you want to be here. Same with everyone else that thinks this is the Land of the Free Ride. The fight for americas freedom wasnt about freedom for everyone it was for the American freedom to have America to live as an American.
But yeah shame on me, im the sinner, and im the problem, and its me thats going to hell. In you're strange logic.
BTW I found your last post kind of disgusting and lacking of good taste, like your philosphy on life.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
For God's sake modjoe, quit drinking for once, and also quit being a retard, please, for your own sake, quit being these two.
WHEN did i ever mention that i have imposed my religion on people?
and WHEN did i mention that my religion forces people to join it?
and look at what you are doing, you are incapable of denying any truth of what i have said, you are incapable of staying on topic, and you are incapable of disproving me.
all what you do is spin around and change the subject to fit your field, you sir, is a COWARD.