Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."
Newton's third law. For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."
Newton's third law. For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Point being that the existence of morals(see laws) is exclusive from free will. Free will is the ability to make choices. Don't bitch that you don't have a free will when you get a reaction from your action, which it's root in causation is because of your free will.
Originally posted by Xexima No they are not. You obviously don't remeber anything from your history or government.
Having a representative republic prevents us from the tyrany of the majority, and denies the rights of individuals. Say that 51% people wanted to get rid of the your right to free speech, but you wanted to keep your freedom of speech along with 49% of people, if it was a democracy, you would no longer have your freedom of speech. That is why we have a republic, with a bill of rights that guarantees individual rights. There is no democracy in this country, it is a representative republic.
You speak of history, but yet they apparantly never taught you of the common law.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."
Newton's third law. For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Point being that the existence of morals(see laws) is exclusive from free will. Free will is the ability to make choices. Don't bitch that you don't have a free will when you get a reaction from your action, which it's root in causation is because of your free will.
That was WELL PUT. That ended the debate right there.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Xexima Since you cannot prove that your God exists your entire religion is faulty. That is the biggest fault. That doesn't mean that there are singular faults inside of it.
You believe that a man 1400 years ago had revelations while inside of a cave meditating and more than likely smoking opium, which was common during that time. The entire Quran was written by Muhammud (not Muhammod exactly, but probably a scribe, because he was illiterate) to the liking of his ideals and biases and based off of some revelation that probably hadn't been given to him by god, but by a hallucinagenic drug. That is why it is faulty.
The reason that the Quran has much scientific knowledge in it is that the middle east was the most technologically and scientifically advanced place in the world at the time it was written.
yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?
no you're wrong about the whole thing.
So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.
1- you never tried to find anything you can disprove in the Qur'an.
2- you have absolutely no idea of what it was like 1400 years ago in what you call the middle east.
3- you have asbolutely no idea of how the qur'an was written.
4- you have absolutely no idea if opium was common at that time or not, you're just throwing an insult to which you'll regret later on.
5- you can't even spell Mohammad right.
6- you did not disprove what i have brought of truths, because they are way too much for you to try and disprove, you can't, simple.
7- you just say stuff out of your own narrow thinking, comparing things to the place you live in, and thinking that place is the best place ever, and everyone not in your area are not capable of using their minds.
Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."
Newton's third law.
For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Point being that the existence of morals(see laws) is exclusive from free will. Free will is the ability to make choices. Don't bitch that you don't have a free will when you get a reaction from your action, which it's root in causation is because of your free will.
You obviously didn't read my post earlier. I said that jesus was about free will and openmindedness, and not about damning people to hell because they disagree with his philosopies.
I have free will, I was not bitching that I didn't have it.
Now where do you get off insulting me about my age and then my intelligence all while you misinterpretted my post?
Originally posted by Zerogenum Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by Xexima So Jesus wasn't a person of free will and open mindedness then? "If you don't follow my teachings you will go to hell!" I think not.
Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes. If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.
Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.
If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.
Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.
If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.
Don't insult me because of my age, if you are going to insult me do it because of my intelligence.
Its not your intelligence its the government schools that indoctrinate kids into psychotic liberal ideals, and because they have a captive audience and they are authority figures....disaster.
I was in high school and i was a retarded liberal equality lover until i got out and the real world came crashing down. You start to look at your taxes and think "where do they go?" and they you find out and you puke all over the room. Homosexuals pay taxes too. So why don't you quit trying to use the government that they help support against them. You call yourself a small government guy, yet you are more than willing to use the government to force people to act in the way you see fit for them.
Originally posted by Zerogenum Originally posted by upallnight Originally posted by Zerogenum Partisan politics. You mean kind of like the homosexual rant of "Even though if we were all gay we'd go extinct but were still normal!" you mean that rant? yeah it is kind of retarded
I just wonder how often you and your wonderful holier than thou group engage in sinful sex but feel you've been given a free pass, because you're "normal"?
Shame, shame, shame on you. You're an abomination you sinner. The devil has his eyes on your closing date.
So you're arguement is to accuse me of something with no proof. NICE ONE BUDDY AWESOME GJ CHAMPION! /plays rocky music
You're just mad because we dont need gays to survive as a country but you need us and thats why you want to be here. Same with everyone else that thinks this is the Land of the Free Ride. The fight for americas freedom wasnt about freedom for everyone it was for the American freedom to have America to live as an American.
But yeah shame on me, im the sinner, and im the problem, and its me thats going to hell. In you're strange logic.
BTW I found your last post kind of disgusting and lacking of good taste, like your philosphy on life.
Are you saying you're not a sinner?
All hail the new Messiah. The man who lives without sin.
look it up on your own and stop getting in the way of an intellectualist versus emotionalist debate. I'm trying to read this and your posts are annoying me. Learn how to debate before you type. You are the one who is supposed to prove wront the opposing person. Come up with fact based sources and use them against the opponents views, and attack the ideal of the opponenet with out attacking the person. That is how a debate should work(in simplified terms). Use that format or else it is confusing and you come across as arrogant.
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Xexima Since you cannot prove that your God exists your entire religion is faulty. That is the biggest fault. That doesn't mean that there are singular faults inside of it.
You believe that a man 1400 years ago had revelations while inside of a cave meditating and more than likely smoking opium, which was common during that time. The entire Quran was written by Muhammud (not Muhammod exactly, but probably a scribe, because he was illiterate) to the liking of his ideals and biases and based off of some revelation that probably hadn't been given to him by god, but by a hallucinagenic drug. That is why it is faulty.
The reason that the Quran has much scientific knowledge in it is that the middle east was the most technologically and scientifically advanced place in the world at the time it was written.
yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?
no you're wrong about the whole thing.
So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.
1- you never tried to find anything you can disprove in the Qur'an.
You cannot prove that your god exists and therefore cannot say that your Quran is the absolute truth.
2- you have absolutely no idea of what it was like 1400 years ago in what you call the middle east.
Yes, I do. It is called history, but wait that is all a bunch of lies and fairy tails
3- you have asbolutely no idea of how the qur'an was written.
Again wrong. Muhammad spent a few nights inside of a cave meditating, the angel gabriel came to him with revelations from god that he was to spread. He was illiterate and magically he was able to write down all of it with no assistance.
4- you have absolutely no idea if opium was common at that time or not, you're just throwing an insult to which you'll regret later on.
It is called history, but you wouldnt know much about that would you?
5- you can't even spell Mohammad right.
Mohammad can be spelt in many different ways. Muhammad, Mohammad, Muhammod, Mohammud, etc.
6- you did not disprove what i have brought of truths, because they are way too much for you to try and disprove, you can't, simple.
They are not truths because you cannot prove them as such. You only claim that they are.
7- you just say stuff out of your own narrow thinking, comparing things to the place you live in, and thinking that place is the best place ever, and everyone not in your area are not capable of using their minds.
My thinking is not narrow, if anyone's thinking is, it is yours. You claim to know the absolute truth, yet never doubt it. I look at both sides and take what is reasonable.
I have yet to compare things to where I live, I also have no idea where you are getting that from. I do not think that this place is the best place ever. Do not insult an entire area of people you do not know and say that they are unable to use their minds. That is prejudice and stupid.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Xexima Since you cannot prove that your God exists your entire religion is faulty. That is the biggest fault. That doesn't mean that there are singular faults inside of it.
You believe that a man 1400 years ago had revelations while inside of a cave meditating and more than likely smoking opium, which was common during that time. The entire Quran was written by Muhammud (not Muhammod exactly, but probably a scribe, because he was illiterate) to the liking of his ideals and biases and based off of some revelation that probably hadn't been given to him by god, but by a hallucinagenic drug. That is why it is faulty.
The reason that the Quran has much scientific knowledge in it is that the middle east was the most technologically and scientifically advanced place in the world at the time it was written.
yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?
no you're wrong about the whole thing.
So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.
1- you never tried to find anything you can disprove in the Qur'an.
2- you have absolutely no idea of what it was like 1400 years ago in what you call the middle east.
3- you have asbolutely no idea of how the qur'an was written.
4- you have absolutely no idea if opium was common at that time or not, you're just throwing an insult to which you'll regret later on.
5- you can't even spell Mohammad right.
6- you did not disprove what i have brought of truths, because they are way too much for you to try and disprove, you can't, simple.
7- you just say stuff out of your own narrow thinking, comparing things to the place you live in, and thinking that place is the best place ever, and everyone not in your area are not capable of using their minds.
Yeah, but more people are Christians, so you have to go with the moral majority and convert. Otherwise, you're going the hell. And when you get there, you're going to burn for eternity. So do what the majority says or that's definitely what will happen. Because more people believe that than don't and so that makes it right. I pray to Jesus that you convert. I don't want you to burn in the pits of hell for eternity. I want you to come to Jesus like us majority of people have done.
I'm going to produce a porn movie. I'm calling it...
"xXx-Odus"
It's going to be great. I'm going to re-enact the sex scenes from the Bible.
I'm going to have a wonderful city of sin. All kinds of orgies and perversions going on.
And I'm going to have scenes of men with their many wives having 3 ways, 4 ways, 5 ways, and all other kinds of ways.
And wicked gay and lesbian sex, with them spreading their abomination all over the screen. Along with some killer disco dance scenes.
And beastiality too. I'm sure that's in the Bible somewhere. Might as well be, I mean everyone knows that if you allow homosexuality then that's what's next. It's a natural jump from beastiality to a goat or sheep. Duh!!!
Originally posted by XeximaYou obviously didn't read my post earlier. I said that jesus was about free will and openmindedness, and not about damning people to hell because they disagree with his philosopies.
I have free will, I was not bitching that I didn't have it.
Now where do you get off insulting me about my age and then my intelligence all while you misinterpretted my post?
Good. So now you understand that no one is damning anyone to hell, but people are damning themselves by the actions of their free will.
Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by XeximaYou obviously didn't read my post earlier. I said that jesus was about free will and openmindedness, and not about damning people to hell because they disagree with his philosopies.
I have free will, I was not bitching that I didn't have it.
Now where do you get off insulting me about my age and then my intelligence all while you misinterpretted my post?
Good. So now you understand that no one is damning anyone to hell, but people are damning themselves by the actions of their free will.
I hear people damning people to hell everyday. It's like non-stop damnation everywhere. I hear it on the t.v. on the radio at the office.
Everyone thinks their belief is the only one towards an eternity in the clouds with God, and everyone else is going to burn forever. There is MUCH damnation going on. Just open your eyes and ears.
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For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
to tell you the truth i'm into frozen blueberries you should try them out tam
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
to tell you the truth i'm into frozen blueberries you should try them out tam
sweet :P
heh... simple puns ftw
For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Point being that the existence of morals(see laws) is exclusive from free will. Free will is the ability to make choices. Don't bitch that you don't have a free will when you get a reaction from your action, which it's root in causation is because of your free will.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Point being that the existence of morals(see laws) is exclusive from free will. Free will is the ability to make choices. Don't bitch that you don't have a free will when you get a reaction from your action, which it's root in causation is because of your free will.
That was WELL PUT. That ended the debate right there.
Zerogenum - MixMatched BH Carbineer Template of the Gods, Kettemoor PRE CU SWG.
yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?
no you're wrong about the whole thing.
So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.
1- you never tried to find anything you can disprove in the Qur'an.
2- you have absolutely no idea of what it was like 1400 years ago in what you call the middle east.
3- you have asbolutely no idea of how the qur'an was written.
4- you have absolutely no idea if opium was common at that time or not, you're just throwing an insult to which you'll regret later on.
5- you can't even spell Mohammad right.
6- you did not disprove what i have brought of truths, because they are way too much for you to try and disprove, you can't, simple.
7- you just say stuff out of your own narrow thinking, comparing things to the place you live in, and thinking that place is the best place ever, and everyone not in your area are not capable of using their minds.
For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction...
That works in physics, but does not work the same way with anything else. People have contradictory views, so what?
Point being that the existence of morals(see laws) is exclusive from free will. Free will is the ability to make choices. Don't bitch that you don't have a free will when you get a reaction from your action, which it's root in causation is because of your free will.
You obviously didn't read my post earlier. I said that jesus was about free will and openmindedness, and not about damning people to hell because they disagree with his philosopies.
I have free will, I was not bitching that I didn't have it.
Now where do you get off insulting me about my age and then my intelligence all while you misinterpretted my post?
Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.
If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.
Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.
If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.
Don't insult me because of my age, if you are going to insult me do it because of my intelligence.
Its not your intelligence its the government schools that indoctrinate kids into psychotic liberal ideals, and because they have a captive audience and they are authority figures....disaster.
I was in high school and i was a retarded liberal equality lover until i got out and the real world came crashing down. You start to look at your taxes and think "where do they go?" and they you find out and you puke all over the room.
Homosexuals pay taxes too. So why don't you quit trying to use the government that they help support against them. You call yourself a small government guy, yet you are more than willing to use the government to force people to act in the way you see fit for them.
I just wonder how often you and your wonderful holier than thou group engage in sinful sex but feel you've been given a free pass, because you're "normal"?
Shame, shame, shame on you. You're an abomination you sinner. The devil has his eyes on your closing date.
So you're arguement is to accuse me of something with no proof. NICE ONE BUDDY AWESOME GJ CHAMPION! /plays rocky music
You're just mad because we dont need gays to survive as a country but you need us and thats why you want to be here. Same with everyone else that thinks this is the Land of the Free Ride. The fight for americas freedom wasnt about freedom for everyone it was for the American freedom to have America to live as an American.
But yeah shame on me, im the sinner, and im the problem, and its me thats going to hell. In you're strange logic.
BTW I found your last post kind of disgusting and lacking of good taste, like your philosphy on life.
Are you saying you're not a sinner?
All hail the new Messiah. The man who lives without sin.
look it up on your own and stop getting in the way of an intellectualist versus emotionalist debate. I'm trying to read this and your posts are annoying me. Learn how to debate before you type. You are the one who is supposed to prove wront the opposing person. Come up with fact based sources and use them against the opponents views, and attack the ideal of the opponenet with out attacking the person. That is how a debate should work(in simplified terms). Use that format or else it is confusing and you come across as arrogant.
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?
no you're wrong about the whole thing.
So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.
You cannot prove that your god exists and therefore cannot say that your Quran is the absolute truth.1- you never tried to find anything you can disprove in the Qur'an.
2- you have absolutely no idea of what it was like 1400 years ago in what you call the middle east.
Yes, I do. It is called history, but wait that is all a bunch of lies and fairy tails
3- you have asbolutely no idea of how the qur'an was written.
Again wrong. Muhammad spent a few nights inside of a cave meditating, the angel gabriel came to him with revelations from god that he was to spread. He was illiterate and magically he was able to write down all of it with no assistance.
4- you have absolutely no idea if opium was common at that time or not, you're just throwing an insult to which you'll regret later on.
It is called history, but you wouldnt know much about that would you?
5- you can't even spell Mohammad right.
Mohammad can be spelt in many different ways. Muhammad, Mohammad, Muhammod, Mohammud, etc.
6- you did not disprove what i have brought of truths, because they are way too much for you to try and disprove, you can't, simple.
They are not truths because you cannot prove them as such. You only claim that they are.
7- you just say stuff out of your own narrow thinking, comparing things to the place you live in, and thinking that place is the best place ever, and everyone not in your area are not capable of using their minds.
My thinking is not narrow, if anyone's thinking is, it is yours. You claim to know the absolute truth, yet never doubt it. I look at both sides and take what is reasonable.
I have yet to compare things to where I live, I also have no idea where you are getting that from. I do not think that this place is the best place ever. Do not insult an entire area of people you do not know and say that they are unable to use their minds. That is prejudice and stupid.
yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?
no you're wrong about the whole thing.
So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.
1- you never tried to find anything you can disprove in the Qur'an.
2- you have absolutely no idea of what it was like 1400 years ago in what you call the middle east.
3- you have asbolutely no idea of how the qur'an was written.
4- you have absolutely no idea if opium was common at that time or not, you're just throwing an insult to which you'll regret later on.
5- you can't even spell Mohammad right.
6- you did not disprove what i have brought of truths, because they are way too much for you to try and disprove, you can't, simple.
7- you just say stuff out of your own narrow thinking, comparing things to the place you live in, and thinking that place is the best place ever, and everyone not in your area are not capable of using their minds.
Yeah, but more people are Christians, so you have to go with the moral majority and convert. Otherwise, you're going the hell. And when you get there, you're going to burn for eternity. So do what the majority says or that's definitely what will happen. Because more people believe that than don't and so that makes it right. I pray to Jesus that you convert. I don't want you to burn in the pits of hell for eternity. I want you to come to Jesus like us majority of people have done.
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I'm going to produce a porn movie. I'm calling it...
"xXx-Odus"
It's going to be great. I'm going to re-enact the sex scenes from the Bible.
I'm going to have a wonderful city of sin. All kinds of orgies and perversions going on.
And I'm going to have scenes of men with their many wives having 3 ways, 4 ways, 5 ways, and all other kinds of ways.
And wicked gay and lesbian sex, with them spreading their abomination all over the screen. Along with some killer disco dance scenes.
And beastiality too. I'm sure that's in the Bible somewhere. Might as well be, I mean everyone knows that if you allow homosexuality then that's what's next. It's a natural jump from beastiality to a goat or sheep. Duh!!!
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I hear people damning people to hell everyday. It's like non-stop damnation everywhere. I hear it on the t.v. on the radio at the office.
Everyone thinks their belief is the only one towards an eternity in the clouds with God, and everyone else is going to burn forever. There is MUCH damnation going on. Just open your eyes and ears.
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