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modjoe86 · September 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by modjoe86
I was being sarcastic, now quit damning people to hell.

you still admit it anyway.

oh and i didn't damn them to hell this time, i got them out of it :}

Wait, since when is sarcasm an admittal of anything? I personally think your little book of proof is complete and utter stupidity.

Zerogenum · September 2006

Originally posted by modjoe86

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by modjoe86
I was being sarcastic, now quit damning people to hell.

you still admit it anyway.

oh and i didn't damn them to hell this time, i got them out of it :}

Wait, since when is sarcasm an admittal of anything? I personally think your little book of proof is complete and utter stupidity.

LMFAO@ book of proof, do you have that registered or may I use it ;D

OneMuslim · September 2006

Sooo, all of these scientific books are utter stupidity to you too.

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by Zerogenum

Originally posted by Xexima

Originally posted by JoHosephat

Originally posted by Xexima

So Jesus wasn't a person of free will and open mindedness then? "If you don't follow my teachings you will go to hell!" I think not.

Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.
If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.

Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.

If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.

Be thankful you're only 16, at least you have somewhat of an excuse for being ignorant on what free will constitutes.

If you're still unable to grasp this "abstract thought" in 10 years...Don't procreate.

Don't insult me because of my age, if you are going to insult me do it because of my intelligence.

Its not your intelligence its the government schools that indoctrinate kids into psychotic liberal ideals, and because they have a captive audience and they are authority figures....disaster.

I was in high school and i was a retarded liberal equality lover until i got out and the real world came crashing down. You start to look at your taxes and think "where do they go?" and they you find out and you puke all over the room.

The schools do not indoctrine me to any liberal ideas, I am my own person and come up with my ideals on my own.

And what would you like the schools to teach, huh? That all homosexuals are going to hell? That black people are lesser people than whites? That the rich are better than the poor? That men are better than women? That Christianity is better than Islam?

If I'm not mistaken in the constitution it states that all men are created equal, do you disagree with that? More than likely... People seem to be throwing out the constitution these days, Gays being banned from marriage... the patriot act... Seems very much like the alien and sedition acts.

Oh, and I'd like to know how taxes are somehow thrown into your arguement, that is considered a non sequitur. Both the left and the right are responsible to how disgusting our tax system is.

Zerogenum · September 2006

Xexima your arguement goes like this.

If you dont believe in what i believe you HAVE TO BE A NAZI AND DO YOU HATE BLACKS ETC...

Stop that, please?

As for what i'd like them to teach, i'd like them to teach what they are assigned to teach and not get political with a captive audience. The communists gathered audiences and forced them to listen to speakers, we talked about that like it was a sin to freedom for a while.

All men are created equal based on creed birthplace or religion right?
But look at if from the broader side. When that was said only europeans could immigrate here, sodomy was banned.

I brought taxes in because for me it was the beginning of long research that changed me from diversty FTW to, neo me lol i dont know what to say.

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by Zerogenum
Xexima your arguement goes like this.

If you dont believe in what i believe you HAVE TO BE A NAZI AND DO YOU HATE BLACKS ETC...

That is not what I was getting at, I was saying how stupid it is to teach anything other than equality at schools.

<edit> I just noticed this, but your argument about homosexuals is pretty much the same thing, isn't it? "you don't believe what I believe so you are going to hell"

Stop that, please?

As for what i'd like them to teach, i'd like them to teach what they are assigned to teach and not get political with a captive audience. The communists gathered audiences and forced them to listen to speakers, we talked about that like it was a sin to freedom for a while.

That is quite hard to do, well nearly impossible because everyone has a bias. I just believe that the liberal bias of freedom and equality is better than that of dictatorship and unequality.

All men are created equal based on creed birthplace or religion right?
But look at if from the broader side. When that was said only europeans could immigrate here, sodomy was banned.

Well, first off no one was truely immigrating here because we were still just considered a bunch of rebels and traitors. But I highly doubt that other people were not allowed to immigrate here. We already did have many africans here, and they were still being brought over as slaves, but that is not really immigration.

But that is beside my point, that you made absolutely no sense in that statement, another non sequitur.

I brought taxes in because for me it was the beginning of long research that changed me from diversty FTW to, neo me lol i dont know what to say.

neo what? neo-liberalism? If so then I am totaly with you on that, I hate communism. Are you supprised? A liberal that is not a socialist?

OneMuslim · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima

Originally posted by Zerogenum
Xexima your arguement goes like this.

If you dont believe in what i believe you HAVE TO BE A NAZI AND DO YOU HATE BLACKS ETC...

That is not what I was getting at, I was saying how stupid it is to teach anything other than equality at schools.
so what about the people who don't want equality? you're forcing your ideals on them.

Stop that, please?

As for what i'd like them to teach, i'd like them to teach what they are assigned to teach and not get political with a captive audience. The communists gathered audiences and forced them to listen to speakers, we talked about that like it was a sin to freedom for a while.

That is quite hard to do, well nearly impossible because everyone has a bias. I just believe that the liberal bias of freedom and equality is better than that of dictatorship and unequality.
same thing.

All men are created equal based on creed birthplace or religion right?
But look at if from the broader side. When that was said only europeans could immigrate here, sodomy was banned.

Well, first off no one was truely immigrating here because we were still just considered a bunch of rebels and traitors. But I highly doubt that other people were not allowed to immigrate here. We already did have many africans here, and they were still being brought over as slaves, but that is not really immigration.

But that is beside my point, that you made absolutely no sense in that statement, another non sequitur.
so the traitors and rebels went there and massacred the natives of the land, congrats, how much XP did you get ?

I brought taxes in because for me it was the beginning of long research that changed me from diversty FTW to, neo me lol i dont know what to say.

neo what? neo-liberalism? If so then I am totaly with you on that, I hate communism. Are you supprised? A liberal that is not a socialist?
tsk tsk, such prejudice.

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by Xexima

Originally posted by Zerogenum
Xexima your arguement goes like this.

If you dont believe in what i believe you HAVE TO BE A NAZI AND DO YOU HATE BLACKS ETC...

That is not what I was getting at, I was saying how stupid it is to teach anything other than equality at schools.
so what about the people who don't want equality? you're forcing your ideals on them.
Those that don't want equality and freedom are forcing their ideals onto those that do. ... and the circle of idiocy go round.

Stop that, please?

As for what i'd like them to teach, i'd like them to teach what they are assigned to teach and not get political with a captive audience. The communists gathered audiences and forced them to listen to speakers, we talked about that like it was a sin to freedom for a while.

That is quite hard to do, well nearly impossible because everyone has a bias. I just believe that the liberal bias of freedom and equality is better than that of dictatorship and unequality.
same thing.
What is the same thing? My bias and his? You could argue all day about whose is better and you would get nowhere.

All men are created equal based on creed birthplace or religion right?
But look at if from the broader side. When that was said only europeans could immigrate here, sodomy was banned.

Well, first off no one was truely immigrating here because we were still just considered a bunch of rebels and traitors. But I highly doubt that other people were not allowed to immigrate here. We already did have many africans here, and they were still being brought over as slaves, but that is not really immigration.

But that is beside my point, that you made absolutely no sense in that statement, another non sequitur.
so the traitors and rebels went there and massacred the natives of the land, congrats, how much XP did you get ?
That is not how it went, I will not tell you about how it did because it would take a few weeks. Go buy a US history text book if you are interested.

I brought taxes in because for me it was the beginning of long research that changed me from diversty FTW to, neo me lol i dont know what to say.

neo what? neo-liberalism? If so then I am totaly with you on that, I hate communism. Are you supprised? A liberal that is not a socialist?
tsk tsk, such prejudice.
I hate the Ideology of communism, how is that prejudice?

OneMuslim · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima

Those that don't want equality and freedom are forcing their ideals onto those that do. ... and the circle of idiocy go round.

and what can you do about it?

What is the same thing? My bias and his? You could argue all day about whose is better and you would get nowhere.

exactly, but what will you do about it ?

That is not how it went, I will not tell you about how it did because it would take a few weeks. Go buy a US history text book if you are interested.

history books are books, they are fairytales that never happend, and the characters in them never existed, and they have been altered to suit the idea of brainwashing.

I hate the Ideology of communism, how is that prejudice?

if it is not, then what is it ?

Xexima · September 2006

*because your quote thing got screwd up I'm not gonna quote it

The reason why equality and freedom should be taught in this country is do to this little piece of paper called The Constitution of the United States of America. This country's republic was written for those two things, freedom and equality.

"and what can you do about it?"

I don't understand what this question has to do with what I said. To answer it, nothing, I cannot make people who are stubborn and intolerant the way I wish they would be. So I give them their right to an opinion, but when they decide to take away the rights of those they wish would be like them, I defend the people whose rights are being violated.

"history books are books, they are fairy tails that never happend, and the characters in them never existed, and they have been altered to suit the idea of brainwashing."

Are you that stupid? Look at the Torah, the Quran, and the Bible! Those are books that were written to suit the idea of brainwashing! They are the ones that have characters in them that never existed! They are the ones that are fairy tails that never happend! Look at the contradictory in your statement! Are you blind to it?

Of course history books are faulty, because history is written by the victors. But do not call it fairy tales that never happened. That just shows your ignorance.

"if it is not, then what is it ?"

Nothing, there is nothing wrong with hating an ideal. Prejudice is judging before you know anything about it. hence "pre" as in before/prior/earlier and "judice" as in judgement.

I know about communism and give my judgement of it.

Aelfinn · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima

"history books are books, they are fairy tails that never happend, and the characters in them never existed, and they have been altered to suit the idea of brainwashing."

Are you that stupid? Look at the Torah, the Quran, and the Bible! Those are books that were written to suit the idea of brainwashing! They are the ones that have characters in them that never existed! They are the ones that are fairy tails that never happend! Look at the contradictory in your statement! Are you blind to it?

Of course history books are faulty, because history is written by the victors. But do not call it fairy tales that never happened. That just shows your ignorance.

Hold up, I agree with most of what you say here, but those religious books all have a few elements of truth in them.

Whether or not the rest of it is true, whether it really means what it says etc. is a different argument

OneMuslim · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima
*because your quote thing got screwd up I'm not gonna quote it

well it's not my fault that it is hehe.

The reason why equality and freedom should be taught in this country is do to this little piece of paper called The Constitution of the United States of America. This country's republic was written for those two things, freedom and equality.

but i see nothing as such, if not nothing then little.

"and what can you do about it?"

I don't understand what this question has to do with what I said. To answer it, nothing, I cannot make people who are stubborn and intolerant the way I wish they would be. So I give them their right to an opinion, but when they decide to take away the rights of those they wish would be like them, I defend the people whose rights are being violated.

how are you going to defend these people

"history books are books, they are fairy tails that never happend, and the characters in them never existed, and they have been altered to suit the idea of brainwashing."

Are you that stupid? Look at the Torah, the Quran, and the Bible! Those are books that were written to suit the idea of brainwashing! They are the ones that have characters in them that never existed! They are the ones that are fairy tails that never happend! Look at the contradictory in your statement! Are you blind to it?

Of course history books are faulty, because history is written by the victors. But do not call it fairy tales that never happened. That just shows your ignorance.

so you're comparing faulty books with the Qur'an, yet whenever i ask you, find one thing that is wrong within the Qur'an, you and all of the others avoid answering this question :}

if the Qur'an is a book of fairy tales, and history books were written by the victor, see what you have just said.

written by a just person, written by a conqueror, who is fair? justice? or conquering?

"if it is not, then what is it ?"

Nothing, there is nothing wrong with hating an ideal. Prejudice is judging before you know anything about it. hence "pre" as in before/prior/earlier and "judice" as in judgement.

I know about communism and give my judgement of it.

no one can do anything about it, this will continue until the earth perishes.

and who are you to judge people?

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by Xexima
*because your quote thing got screwd up I'm not gonna quote it
well it's not my fault that it is hehe.

The reason why equality and freedom should be taught in this country is do to this little piece of paper called The Constitution of the United States of America. This country's republic was written for those two things, freedom and equality.
but i see nothing as such, if not nothing then little.
Yes, the government is unconstitutionally violating indeviduals rights, and no one will call them on it.

"and what can you do about it?"

I don't understand what this question has to do with what I said. To answer it, nothing, I cannot make people who are stubborn and intolerant the way I wish they would be. So I give them their right to an opinion, but when they decide to take away the rights of those they wish would be like them, I defend the people whose rights are being violated.
how are you going to defend these people
In whatever way seems necessary.

"history books are books, they are fairy tails that never happend, and the characters in them never existed, and they have been altered to suit the idea of brainwashing."

Are you that stupid? Look at the Torah, the Quran, and the Bible! Those are books that were written to suit the idea of brainwashing! They are the ones that have characters in them that never existed! They are the ones that are fairy tails that never happend! Look at the contradictory in your statement! Are you blind to it?

Of course history books are faulty, because history is written by the victors. But do not call it fairy tales that never happened. That just shows your ignorance.
so you're comparing faulty books with the Qur'an, yet whenever i ask you, find one thing that is wrong within the Qur'an, you and all of the others avoid answering this question :}
You cannot prove the existance of a god, and that is where it is false. Things are not true unless they have evidence behind them.

if the Qur'an is a book of fairy tales, and history books were written by the victor, see what you have just said.
That the Quran is a book of fairy tales that has won, alongside with every other holy book.

written by a just person, written by a conqueror, who is fair? justice? or conquering?

Justice is what is fair, that is why I like to look at both sides of history. I do not look at Christopher Columbus as a great man who found the americas, but as the theif, liar, rapist, and murderer that he was. I look at all history this way.

"if it is not, then what is it ?"

Nothing, there is nothing wrong with hating an ideal. Prejudice is judging before you know anything about it. hence "pre" as in before/prior/earlier and "judice" as in judgement.

I know about communism and give my judgement of it.
no one can do anything about it, this will continue until the earth perishes.
Again, one of your statements makes no sence.
To reply to what you just edited:
I am not one to judge others, and niether are you, I am judging an ideal, not a person. Communism is an idea.

OneMuslim · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima

so you're comparing faulty books with the Qur'an, yet whenever i ask you, find one thing that is wrong within the Qur'an, you and all of the others avoid answering this question :}
You cannot prove the existance of a god, and that is where it is false. Things are not true unless they have evidence behind them.
Forget about everything else, let's start here, you have totally avoided answering me.
Q. What about the many science and truths and Qur'an holds and contains?

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by Xexima

so you're comparing faulty books with the Qur'an, yet whenever i ask you, find one thing that is wrong within the Qur'an, you and all of the others avoid answering this question :}

You cannot prove the existance of a god, and that is where it is false. Things are not true unless they have evidence behind them.

Forget about everything else, let's start here, you have totally avoided answering me.

Q. What about the many science and truths and Qur'an holds and contains?

Because part of something is true does not mean all of it is.

OneMuslim · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima

Because part of something is true does not mean all of it is.

OK, bring me one untrue thing from the Qur'an.

want a site? there you go

Qur'an

just one.

Tamalan · September 2006

" This thread will run and run!"

New York Times - Sept 2006

Xexima · September 2006

Since you cannot prove that your God exists your entire religion is faulty. That is the biggest fault. That doesn't mean that there are singular faults inside of it.

You believe that a man 1400 years ago had revelations while inside of a cave meditating and more than likely smoking opium, which was common during that time. The entire Quran was written by Muhammud (not Muhammod exactly, but probably a scribe, because he was illiterate) to the liking of his ideals and biases and based off of some revelation that probably hadn't been given to him by god, but by a hallucinagenic drug. That is why it is faulty.

The reason that the Quran has much scientific knowledge in it is that the middle east was the most technologically and scientifically advanced place in the world at the time it was written.

OneMuslim · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima
Since you cannot prove that your God exists your entire religion is faulty. That is the biggest fault. That doesn't mean that there are singular faults inside of it.

You believe that a man 1400 years ago had revelations while inside of a cave meditating and more than likely smoking opium, which was common during that time. The entire Quran was written by Muhammud (not Muhammod exactly, but probably a scribe, because he was illiterate) to the liking of his ideals and biases and based off of some revelation that probably hadn't been given to him by god, but by a hallucinagenic drug. That is why it is faulty.

The reason that the Quran has much scientific knowledge in it is that the middle east was the most technologically and scientifically advanced place in the world at the time it was written.

yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?

no you're wrong about the whole thing.

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by Xexima
Since you cannot prove that your God exists your entire religion is faulty. That is the biggest fault. That doesn't mean that there are singular faults inside of it.

You believe that a man 1400 years ago had revelations while inside of a cave meditating and more than likely smoking opium, which was common during that time. The entire Quran was written by Muhammud (not Muhammod exactly, but probably a scribe, because he was illiterate) to the liking of his ideals and biases and based off of some revelation that probably hadn't been given to him by god, but by a hallucinagenic drug. That is why it is faulty.

The reason that the Quran has much scientific knowledge in it is that the middle east was the most technologically and scientifically advanced place in the world at the time it was written.

yes, and see what i mean when i say you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about?

no you're wrong about the whole thing.

So you tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that? Atleast attempt to rebut it.

JoHosephat · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima
Don't insult me because of my age, if you are going to insult me do it because of my intelligence.

Didn't want to be mean.

Xexima · September 2006

Originally posted by JoHosephat

Originally posted by Xexima
Don't insult me because of my age, if you are going to insult me do it because of my intelligence.

Didn't want to be mean.

Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."

Zerogenum · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima

Originally posted by JoHosephat

Originally posted by Xexima
Don't insult me because of my age, if you are going to insult me do it because of my intelligence.

Didn't want to be mean.

Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."

One day after the smoke clears you'll look back and realize it was all about terrorism.

JoHosephat · September 2006

Originally posted by Xexima
Ok then, explain to me why I am wrong. And do not use the "you have not experienced the real world" excuse, because we all live in the "real world."

Newton's third law.

Neptus · September 2006

If this thread gets anybetter, I just might end up shitting my pants because of the excitement!

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