Originally posted by SnaKey Ummmm.... Games are created on the computer. So it's safe to assume that PC games are going no where. What about all the games in the past that didn't even have online options? They did well. So.... What's your point? I don't understand. This topic is pointless.
The funniest part of all this is that the original poster got on a PC, went to a PC gaming forum, just to tell us all that consoles are better? I dont get what the big deal is. Most people have a computer anyway, so it only makes sense to play games on it also. Why go out and buy a console too? Aside from that, how am I gonna watch my only TV if im playing a PS2 at the same time? Oh ya, you cant.
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"The XBox has a 733 Celeron, the PS-2's processor is even slower"
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Gee, thats the same speed as my PC was about 3 years ago...
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OK, I read already 8 pages and no one has yet to state any of this.... Um
Hey you console lovers. What do you do if the game dev of your choice comes out with expansions? Well we pay cheaper since it is only an expansion, you all have to pay full price since it is another full game with a game engine. Example. Morrowind, Metal of Honor and etc.
Now the biggie why my son plays on his Xbox and I stay on my computer. two words.....MAP EDITING. Or lets go furture. HAHAHA I can make my own land in Morrowind. Or. Hey how come no console game machine doesn't have Neverwinter Nights? Is it because they don't expect CHILDREN to know how to do scripting??? Or could it be because you can't EDIT on a console????? Oh BYW to that one guy that says he is a Network Manager, ok, yeah right, never heard of that position, heard of Network technician, network systems analyst and network administration and etc, but manager???? OH come on give me a break, I don't think any internet job listing has ever called any networking positions "manager". Don't think they stick a descrip. so generic as that. BTW, you bragg a lot and seem so arrogant. I don't think you telling us what your position is is going to convnce us that you know more. Infact comparing 3 console brands against one PC market is very sad. If that's what it takes to make you PS2 or Xbox lovers feel good. But however, not all developers develope for all consoles and if you notice there are way more titles for the PC "IN GENERAL" than there are for any console even counting Ninetendo, Sega and others...Don't forget, we can use any games from the PC which include UNIX, Linux, MSDOS, Windows and others. Infact I think MAC users will stand by us to. So, for you lovers of the Console region, go play your limited games while we edit, modify and recreate the games we play. So if you want to compare, lets compare which provides more use than pulling a liberal comment of the WHAT IF = Guess work on how many consoles will be sold in 2008. How about I start a banning on Consoles and I tell all to ROCK THE VOTE and lets all have the communist console machines DIE and long live the more diversible PC. Bottom line. this is a flame to attack all who appose the PC world.This post shouldn't be titled "The future of gaming is console not PC" It should be WAH, I am too poor, lazy, stupid to figure out how to run a computer without, BSOD (sorry sounds like you are still using Win98, hmm if you compare to that maybe I should compare current PC's to old sega?) Drivers?, crashes?, other annoying problems, Well that is why they made consoles, for people that don't know how to use a PC without screwing it up. Viruses, hacks and on and on...Manall this stuff you console lovers list I never ever had a problem with.
This topic maybe about console vs PC games, but don't come saying consoles will kill PC games until your console games can do what PC games can do. PC games are a total different aspect than Console games. Of course you are going to have a total different outcome with PC's than Consoles. Console games are FIXED. PC games are not!!!
For those of you that still don't understand.....
Example, you bought a car....
I as a PC lover can open the hood and add stuff to it, remove stuff and even alter stuff.
All consoles can do is put in the key and drive...
So if you think Consoles willl kill the PC gamer, I laugh in your face. When consoles stop being a communist gaming tool then I will listen, but to be honest, nah consoles are slowly becoming a PC. Like a majority has stated here so far there is a tranparent merger going on. However, you all don't see it. You may think one is dying while the other is rising, you are wrong, it is the power of gaming coming together for the ultimate gaming tool. Just like Bill Gates slowly brought all to the PC with GUI's he is slowly bringing console lovers to a very diverse gaming tool. Opps, sorry did I break his trance he has on you all Xbox lovers? Mohahaha....
Oh and about the guy saying how we can't have all our games ready to play and that console you just pop in the CD. Well it isn't memory it is hard disk space and yes if you have a large enough of a hard drive then you can have all games installed ready to play. Also BTW, all I have to do is click on my desktop to play a game even old DOS based DOOM. Lets see you pull out your old Dragon warrior for your ninetendo out and put that in your Xbox. Hmm, Well I can go back as far back as "Rogue: The Dungeons of Doom" http://home.wanadoo.nl/loche/rogue/index.html an ASCII game originally made on the Unix OS and play it on my WinXP as of this day. PC's rule....nuff said.
Ok, you just made an ass out of yourself. Nobody is saying a console is better at everything, just at gaming. You have fun spending an hour editing your game while I spend an hour playing mine. Saying that console user don't know how to use a computer is pompous and has no ground. Ok, I'm not saying your son is smart enough to use a computer(You basically said to was too dumb to, by saying that console users are too dumb and that your son is a console user, by the way.), I'm just saying that most people are. You can't make levels in all games. It's just that simple. That's like saying you can shoot stuff in all console games. Sure, they may be lots that you can, but not even close to all. Chill out, man, You seem like you're about to have a stroke.
Kuzzle, sorry, but tell me what college you went to to learn how to read others feeling in text? Man, dude could you actually even hear me? Wow PC's are awesome huh? Oh and btw prove consoles are better? Umm you say you play the game while I edit it? ok, do you think I edit and not play? If you had any intellegence you would REALIZE I get more out of the game than you and I also get to put in more, so STFU when all you are doing is picking words to suit your own ideas. Oh and BTW I don't think my son is stupid, usually most others figure a 5 year old can't edit. IDIOT!!! See what happens when you assume. You make a arse out of yourself...So if you say consoles are better, how come I get not only what you get out of it, but more. On top of that how come your games are set to 800x600 "PROVE ME WRONG" FACTUALLY!!!! On the other hand I play on a digital screen and at 21" @ 1280x1024. Which is a waste if the screen if it is any larger unless you are SOOO lazy to have to sit back on a "POTATO COUCH" instead of upright and close enough to the screen. Of course at a distance ona large screen everything looks nice even a game at 800x600 res on a 56" screen.
BTW are you 5 years old to? I wouldn't want to call you an arse if you are. You just wouldn't know better. Oh BTW, do you know how many PC games you can edit? Also no not all games do LEVELS, I think i fyou knew more about the PC gaming you wouldn't even argue this. You would know right off that Consoles SUCK!!!!
Finally, it is very obviously you just have admitted you know that PC games are better since the only thing you could do as a come back is an ATTEMPT of a personal attack. Bah, you lost get to know someone better before you attack their character, you suck at being a politician a liberal one at that!!!
BTW Kuzzle, don't blow a gasket on replying to that last one. I would hate to see it deleted like your other one on page 9. Man, you got to learn some self control dude!!!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Oh yeah, also dude, stop using the thesaurus so much, pompous really doesn't fix in that sentence you used, arrogant would be more appropriate. Just because you use alternative words doesn't make you seem so intelligent. You fraud!!!
However, in fact you are wrong. Anyone that is anyone that has all them problems while using a PC is true to the definition of what most literate PC users call, especially someone that is at least equivalent to a techie is known as PLBKC. To put that in laymen's terms. Problem Lies Between the Keyboard and Chair. so to assume I am being in your words POMPOUS, or more appropriate in terms "arrogant" is totally foolish in your view. So, are you saying people that have all these problems are completely computer literate? I think not and stop being the underdog...
Forget it it. I can't argue at that knee high level. It is like arguing with my dog. Nuff said. take it and bleed or cry in your terms. or rant if you want. I just can't argue with a sick console mind. period. Sorry admin, I will stop now
I've typed 3 big long post and none of them have posted. This crap is getting old quick.
I don't use a thesaurus. I like the word pompous better then arrogant, ass. Go take some blood pressuse medication. I'm sure youre son will thank you for ruining his life by having him inherit such a temper. I've made valid points, but as I want this one to post, I wont write them. You must have issues to come onto a forum and bash others. All I said in the deleted post was that if I lived close to him I'd threaten him. I can sum up what I'd like to say in two words, but I shouldn't say them on here... Well, I could say the last one, it's just 'you'.
Kuzzle...You need therapy. How you read a temper in to my words is beyond me. I think what you are doing is putting your own emotions into my text. Listen, I am not you and I wouldn't want to be you. I would probably kill myself if I were, however beside that fact. Guy, you need to learn to read words for what it is and not put your own feelings into it. I've seen too many people like you get hurt IRL because of taking others words and putting in their own thoughts. Dude Get help, obviously you are starting to lose it from your name calling now. I think you better stop posting before you have a nervous breakdown. I would hate to see that all because of a post some little kid goes and commits suicide or pulls another columbine all because of a rant about PC's vs. Console games.
oh and BTW, I can use it all I like
Also, I think you need to judge yourself before judging others. Ever hear of Pull the damn log out of your eye before trying to pull a splinter out of others?
Another one that didn't post! This crap is already old, not it's just barely hanging on for life and I'm chasing it with an axe. Shut up about me needing therapy, I hate therapy and don't need any more of it. What the hell was your jumbled english trying to tell me anyway? PLBKC, that's crap and you know it. I'm not even going to get into this, I have enough deleted post as it s. But you can bet the staff will side with you, people always seem to do that.
Now I'm going to drop this but if you make another comment directed at me I'm going to pick it right back up and throw it through your window.
Oh yeah, one last thing. That crap about me having a log in my eye. You just made that up, so how could I have heard it? I do judge myself, as do I judge my gaming platforms. Which is something you need to do.
ever heard .. calculator is part of the evolution circle for computers?
Consoles are made specially for gamers .. for people with f up computers , people with no hard disk space, people with the money to spend on another machine.
a Computer, was actually made to do data collection, work etc etc.. and not used for gaming.. but of coz.. over time..
What im trying to say is : The people who made consoles were actually making a another version of a computer which is technogically backwards .. ..
Opinions differ, don't try to defend yours with zealous fanaticism. State your mind and arguments and balance them with what others say. The subject of this thread doesn't need a final conclusion that is written in stone.
Man, I thought 6 pages of this arguement was bad but 16? Come on this is kinda a joke, none of the arguements I have read on this thread that state consols are better then a pc makes any sense. Especially the arguement about which has faster load times. its like comparing a vw bus to a corvette and saying the bus is going to get from one place to another faster than a corvette. The bus and the corvette are the same thing, automobiles, but the corvette has a much bigger engine and goes much faster then bus. Same thing with consols and pcs, the consol is the same thing as a pc except has a smaller "engine" and therefore will never run as fast as a pc no matter what the condition is. This really isn't a debate it is just an arguement about what people prefer because if the facts were all laid down in front of you the answer would be obvious to any non-biased person.
An SNES if inferior, but it still kicks ass. Consoles will often times make up for lack of tech with excelent games, computers have less games. You don't half to install a console's game. You can sit in a comfortable chair halfway acrossed the room and still play. All the controls will fit in your hand. I'm not saying that PCs have no good games and couldn't play them if they did. I'm saying Consoles have a more relaxed feel and often times have better games. The opinions are all that matter. If facts mattered then I wouldn't like the SNES so much. If people like the consoles more then consoles are the future, if people like the PC more, then PCs are the future. That simple. I happen to think that PCs will always have games, but that consoles will always have more good games then PCs. I like alot of PC games, for sure, and I'm not saying that PCs are bad. Colsoles are just more relaxed and that's why I like them.
Why does it matter if you dont have to install a game on console? My PC installs most games faster than consoles load games. Then once installed it loads alot faster than a console. Aside from that, yes consoles do load games fairly quickly, but they are all games with poor graphics (compared to PC) and dont have nearly as much content. So who cares if a crappy game LOADS faster? Its still crap.
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Took a break yesterday. I'm back. Time to tear you tp pieces...
Originally posted by Tyrgris OK, I read already 8 pages and no one has yet to state any of this.... Um Hey you console lovers. What do you do if the game dev of your choice comes out with expansions? Well we pay cheaper since it is only an expansion, you all have to pay full price since it is another full game with a game engine. Example. Morrowind, Metal of Honor and etc.
Rent it? Get an update through XBox Live? By it? I do all of these things. Usually though, an expansion on a console normally contains the original as well, so people buying it for the first time get both the orginal and the exansion. A lot of time the expansion are cheaper just like on a PC...
Now the biggie why my son plays on his Xbox and I stay on my computer. two words.....MAP EDITING.
Can you do this for every game? No. There are console game sthat allow this, I just played one this weekend... Hmm trying to remember... MotoTrax. Allows you to make your own tracks and race them. There are others...
Or lets go furture. HAHAHA I can make my own land in Morrowind. Or. Hey how come no console game machine doesn't have Neverwinter Nights? Is it because they don't expect CHILDREN to know how to do scripting??? Or could it be because you can't EDIT on a console?????
Probably because they don't want to make an editor for the console... Your point here?
Oh BYW to that one guy that says he is a Network Manager, ok, yeah right, never heard of that position, heard of Network technician, network systems analyst and network administration and etc, but manager???? OH come on give me a break, I don't think any internet job listing has ever called any networking positions "manager". Don't think they stick a descrip. so generic as that. BTW, you bragg a lot and seem so arrogant. I don't think you telling us what your position is is going to convnce us that you know more.
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Ask for the Network Manager, or Marcus...
I dare you to call...
Infact comparing 3 console brands against one PC market is very sad. If that's what it takes to make you PS2 or Xbox lovers feel good. But however, not all developers develope for all consoles and if you notice there are way more titles for the PC "IN GENERAL" than there are for any console even counting Ninetendo, Sega and others...
You PC supporters guys like to argue the term console in general, not us. I will use the XBox as my sole argument if you like.
Don't forget, we can use any games from the PC which include UNIX, Linux, MSDOS, Windows and others.
That is a crock of shiite... Run a MAC game on your PC... I bet you have never installed Linux... Let a lone get a game compiled and up and running.
Infact I think MAC users will stand by us to. So, for you lovers of the Console region, go play your limited games while we edit, modify and recreate the games we play.
Poeple like you just wear a ramp on yur heads and let stuff fly over... I have a nice PC, I play PC games as well. No one says you should only play one of them. That is not what the debate is about at all. We have never said there are not games better played on a PC...
So if you want to compare, lets compare which provides more use than pulling a liberal comment of the WHAT IF = Guess work on how many consoles will be sold in 2008. How about I start a banning on Consoles and I tell all to ROCK THE VOTE and lets all have the communist console machines DIE and long live the more diversible PC.
Wow... you just went off the deep end on this one. Ban consoles... Because they are so dangerous right...
Bottom line. this is a flame to attack all who appose the PC world.This post shouldn't be titled "The future of gaming is console not PC" It should be WAH, I am too poor, lazy, stupid to figure out how to run a computer without, BSOD (sorry sounds like you are still using Win98, hmm if you compare to that maybe I should compare current PC's to old sega?)
People who cannot debate always resort to flames. Flame away... You just lose your argument when you start flaming.
Drivers?, crashes?, other annoying problems, Well that is why they made consoles, for people that don't know how to use a PC without screwing it up. Viruses, hacks and on and on...Manall this stuff you console lovers list I never ever had a problem with.
Or don't want to admit to. No big deal. If only knowledgaeable PC users play PC games, you can rest assured, PC gaming will die a certain death. Most PC gamers out there do not know how to fix all of the problems associated with making a game that isn't working work.
This topic maybe about console vs PC games, but don't come saying consoles will kill PC games until your console games can do what PC games can do. PC games are a total different aspect than Console games.
My game console can already do most of what your PC can do game wise. And it can do more... How many split screen games you got? One?
Of course you are going to have a total different outcome with PC's than Consoles. Console games are FIXED. PC games are not!!!
This is so true. A console games has to be fixed AND WORKING when it is released. It can't be patched later. You get much better quality in the console market. Right, PC games are not FIXED when they are released. They are broken and usually patched 5 times in the first 3 months of release.
For those of you that still don't understand..... Example, you bought a car.... I as a PC lover can open the hood and add stuff to it, remove stuff and even alter stuff. All consoles can do is put in the key and drive...
This is what I do. Buy a car and drive it. I am not a Fast and Furious fanboy. No need to add fancy chrome parts to the engine.
By the way, I have added a mod chip to my console and made some changes, but that is not part of the debate.
So if you think Consoles willl kill the PC gamer, I laugh in your face. When consoles stop being a communist gaming tool then I will listen
No one is saying it is killing PC gaming. Just surpassing it.
, but to be honest, nah consoles are slowly becoming a PC. Like a majority has stated here so far there is a tranparent merger going on.
This is true, so you should have no reason to be so passionate in your flaming... But I would call what the console is becoming a Home Entertainment device...
However, you all don't see it. You may think one is dying while the other is rising, you are wrong, it is the power of gaming coming together for the ultimate gaming tool. Just like Bill Gates slowly brought all to the PC with GUI's he is slowly bringing console lovers to a very diverse gaming tool.
This is exactly what we have been telling you. A much better gamng tool evolving. Thanks for agreeing with us. What was the purpose of your rant?!?!
Opps, sorry did I break his trance he has on you all Xbox lovers? Mohahaha....
Yes, thank god. For a minute here I thought you were disgreeing with us...
Oh and about the guy saying how we can't have all our games ready to play and that console you just pop in the CD. Well it isn't memory it is hard disk space and yes if you have a large enough of a hard drive then you can have all games installed ready to play.
I don't think anyone said this? But, so... What is your point???
Also BTW, all I have to do is click on my desktop to play a game even old DOS based DOOM. Lets see you pull out your old Dragon warrior for your ninetendo out and put that in your Xbox.
Play Doom. So what? If I wanted to play some old Nintendo game, and I had it, why would I not turn my Nintendo on?
Hmm, Well I can go back as far back as "Rogue: The Dungeons of Doom" an ASCII game originally made on the Unix OS and play it on my WinXP as of this day.
Yay fo ryou... That game runs on my PC too. What is your point???
None of that matters, console games are lame, have weak graphics and low content. Thats really all that matters. Consoles are good for people who like Football and kids on Ritalin.
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Originally posted by ramadin None of that matters, console games are lame, have weak graphics and low content. Thats really all that matters. Consoles are good for people who like Football and kids on Ritalin.City of Hero's Characters: - Black Samurai - Mezmo Man - Flare -
LOL...
Well thought out answer...
Wow, you won the whole argument there...
I do like football though. Never tried Ritalin, I like Tequila, Jack Daniel's, and MicroBrews... Who makes Ritalin??
Originally posted by TaskyZZ Took a break yesterday. I'm back. Time to tear you tp pieces... Exactly, you took all what I said tore it to pieces and replied to just part of each thing so as it to fit your responses. That I call very sad and lame. So if you are going to answer to my reply atleast respond to the whole meaning, not just what you want to make out of it.
Originally posted by Tyrgris OK, I read already 8 pages and no one has yet to state any of this.... Um Hey you console lovers. What do you do if the game dev of your choice comes out with expansions? Well we pay cheaper since it is only an expansion, you all have to pay full price since it is another full game with a game engine. Example. Morrowind, Metal of Honor and etc.
Rent it? Get an update through XBox Live? By it? I do all of these things. Usually though, an expansion on a console normally contains the original as well, so people buying it for the first time get both the orginal and the exansion. A lot of time the expansion are cheaper just like on a PC... See here, my first example of what I said. No you can't download Tribunal or bloodmoon, you had to REBUY Morrowind "Game of the Year". As for Metal of Honor, it isn't even the same game as the one on the PC, infact it doesn't even use the same engine (Quake2). The PS2 version is just a upgrade of the original MoH and infact it looks like crap compared to the PC MoHAA. Also you can't get expansions for MoH for the console. IF you really look at what you are saying, you are wrong. They are total separate games and you can't use the first game to play the second. You pay a full price for for second game as you did with the first. However with the PC version, they are called expansions and we only pay about half the price of what the original game was. Example: original pricing - Metal of Honor Allied Assault $49.99, MoHAA Spearhead $29.99, MoHAA Breakthrough - $29.99...As for the Console version. Example: original pricing - Metal of Honor Front line $59.99, Metal of Honor rising sun $59.99 (where is the download version of this?) Also if you noticed, if you have not yet purchased MoHAA for the PC you can now get ALL of the MoHAA original game and expansions in a title called Metal of Honor Warchest for only $39.99. Now about this rent a game thing, well I think that is the ONLY thing that the console game machines have over the PC. But who cares about renting, if you rent to try the game out before you buy, then I think that is just as stupid as the people that pay for the PC game demos at EB Games or Gamestop. When you can download them from most places like Fileplanet for free. Please don't tell me that your comeback is about not all can afford to pay for highspeed internet. Give me a break, I bet all you console lovers out there pay way more to try out a game from renting them than it would cost for cable or DSL.
Now the biggie why my son plays on his Xbox and I stay on my computer. two words.....MAP EDITING.
Can you do this for every game? No. There are console game sthat allow this, I just played one this weekend... Hmm trying to remember... MotoTrax. Allows you to make your own tracks and race them. There are others...
You call that editing, slapping lego blocks together? I don't think so!!! Also I never did say anything about ALL games come with an editor, but if you do truly know anything about computers you would know that your words of "can you do this with every game? no." I think something there tells me you are somehow lied your way into your job position. If you talk to anyone that knows PC's well enough, you can edit anything that can be installed. Yes there are others to your console editing, like tony hawk and others that provide the same thing, what we all Block editing, wow, I can't really say that would be really editing, more like moving furniture.
Or lets go furture. HAHAHA I can make my own land in Morrowind. Or. Hey how come no console game machine doesn't have Neverwinter Nights? Is it because they don't expect CHILDREN to know how to do scripting??? Or could it be because you can't EDIT on a console?????
Probably because they don't want to make an editor for the console... Your point here?
Another point that seemed to go completely over your head and that is how you defend your console fans/friends. Sad, I don't think any dev would want to exclude an editor. Infact most PC games to date all come with editors, if they don't they do sell so well. That my friend is the future in gaming. I don't think the devs are NOT wanting an editor in consoles. More like it is that it would be completely impossible!!! You would have to come out with a PS3 or an Xbox2. And I bet anything that still with the technology of the consoles it would be still way too much for them to handle it.
Oh BYW to that one guy that says he is a Network Manager, ok, yeah right, never heard of that position, heard of Network technician, network systems analyst and network administration and etc, but manager???? OH come on give me a break, I don't think any internet job listing has ever called any networking positions "manager". Don't think they stick a descrip. so generic as that. BTW, you bragg a lot and seem so arrogant. I don't think you telling us what your position is is going to convnce us that you know more.
Lucidyne Technologies, Inc. 541-753-5111
Ask for the Network Manager, or Marcus...
I dare you to call...
My point exactly, you don't have to prove to me that you do. My point was at the end of that sentence "you bragg a lot and seem so arrogant. I don't think you telling us what your position is is going to convnce us that you know more.",(sorry, my spelling isn't all so good, but I'm not going to correct it in the middle of a quote) Geez, I think you should read the whole thing before jumping the gun in the middle of my paragraph. Obviously you do that often from the looks of your fragmented reply here.
Infact comparing 3 console brands against one PC market is very sad. If that's what it takes to make you PS2 or Xbox lovers feel good. But however, not all developers develope for all consoles and if you notice there are way more titles for the PC "IN GENERAL" than there are for any console even counting Ninetendo, Sega and others...
You PC supporters guys like to argue the term console in general, not us. I will use the XBox as my sole argument if you like.
Tasky, Umm did you read the title of this thread???
"the future of gaming is console not PCs"
No, I will not that is what this is not about. This is about the console machines in general against the PC, and obviously reading all posts I have seen PS2, Ninetendo, Sega, & Xbox defenders stating their thoughts. So don't be so self centered and think this topic evolves around what you say. You are entirely wrong and arrogant to think so.
Don't forget, we can use any games from the PC which include UNIX, Linux, MSDOS, Windows and others.
That is a crock of shiite... Run a MAC game on your PC... I bet you have never installed Linux... Let a lone get a game compiled and up and running.
When did the MAC become part of the console side??? Don't try to put words in my mouth that a MAC game can run on a PC. However, if you were intelligent enough you would know what I meant. BTW, I think you even quoted the wrong part and forgot to include what I did say about the MAC, geez get it right next time. Man, just like the liberals, They modify what others say and then reply to that. I see a lot of that here. See, I told you that the console machines are a communist gaming machine.
Infact I think MAC users will stand by us to. So, for you lovers of the Console region, go play your limited games while we edit, modify and recreate the games we play.
Poeple like you just wear a ramp on yur heads and let stuff fly over... I have a nice PC, I play PC games as well. No one says you should only play one of them. That is not what the debate is about at all. We have never said there are not games better played on a PC...
No, I think you are over looking the point of this whole thread, obviously again in your last post shows that so clearly. As for your last statement on that...."We have never said there are not games better played on a PC..." Finally a statement from you that is true. However, dude, you contradic yourself a lot in this thread. Also I think you should speak for yourself. I don't think you are a representative for all who post here.
So if you want to compare, lets compare which provides more use than pulling a liberal comment of the WHAT IF = Guess work on how many consoles will be sold in 2008. How about I start a banning on Consoles and I tell all to ROCK THE VOTE and lets all have the communist console machines DIE and long live the more diversible PC.
Wow... you just went off the deep end on this one. Ban consoles... Because they are so dangerous right...
Oh so you think Consoles are dangerous? Well I didn't say it so you are the one who must think it. If you REALLY read into what I said, that was more of a statement for us PC games to laugh at. Here, I will show you how to read into it ok!!! Listen up here is a literature lesson for you.
So if you want to compare, lets compare which provides more use than pulling a liberal comment of the WHAT IF = Guess work on how many consoles will be sold in 2008.
In this part I am mocking you console lovers showing how desparate you all are at in hopes that the console machines will take over the world from a poll that consoles will sell SOOO much in 4 years from now.
How about I start a banning on Consoles and I tell all to ROCK THE VOTE and lets all have the communist console machines DIE and long live the more diversible PC.
Here I am laughing at how polls are a joke and how much bullcrap can come from it. Well I hope I put all of this in very basic concepts of a layman's term for you to comprehend.
Bottom line. this is a flame to attack all who appose the PC world.This post shouldn't be titled "The future of gaming is console not PC" It should be WAH, I am too poor, lazy, stupid to figure out how to run a computer without, BSOD (sorry sounds like you are still using Win98, hmm if you compare to that maybe I should compare current PC's to old sega?)
People who cannot debate always resort to flames. Flame away... You just lose your argument when you start flaming.
All I have to say about that is. That remark was your attempt in hopes that the word "FLAME" is a killer for any reasoning.
Drivers?, crashes?, other annoying problems, Well that is why they made consoles, for people that don't know how to use a PC without screwing it up. Viruses, hacks and on and on...Manall this stuff you console lovers list I never ever had a problem with.
Or don't want to admit to. No big deal. If only knowledgaeable PC users play PC games, you can rest assured, PC gaming will die a certain death. Most PC gamers out there do not know how to fix all of the problems associated with making a game that isn't working work.
No, if you can understand my point there, is that comnpter games aren't really for the general public, they are power horse gaming for people that love to not only play games, but love to edit, modify, create and play in large networks that are obviously impossible with console machines. Consoles are more for people that just want to hop into a game and play and call it a night. Dont' chop at the PC gamer, because you are choping at a very large base of gamers that are way more serious in gaming than your typical console gamer. That is also one reason why I said about disbelief that you are even a network employee, most people I know in the Computing industry know there is so much to the gaming industry on the PC than there ever will be on the console. I would hate to see what happens to the console industry when the 64bit PC's are more of a norm, most game developers have been waiting very long to start creating on it.
This topic maybe about console vs PC games, but don't come saying consoles will kill PC games until your console games can do what PC games can do. PC games are a total different aspect than Console games.
My game console can already do most of what your PC can do game wise. And it can do more... How many split screen games you got? One?
Who is the heck wants a split screen. My son has his friends come over with thier Xboxs and their TV's, do you think they even want to use the split screen? I don't think so, after they beg me every Friday to let them bring them over. Infact I think they beg harder for that than they do for the Pizzahut. Why do you think that the xbox supports multiport connects? You console can do most of what my PC does game wise? OMFG I can't believe that for one ms. First off your console can't even play the same game as mine unless it uses a less demanding engine. Metal of Honor is one example. Also you can't even do half the amount of resolution that my system can so. You can edit, modify, enhance or have control over the sound, graphics and other aspects of game engine. Not only to include that you have a very simplified version of controls.
Of course you are going to have a total different outcome with PC's than Consoles. Console games are FIXED. PC games are not!!!
This is so true. A console games has to be fixed AND WORKING when it is released. It can't be patched later. You get much better quality in the console market. Right, PC games are not FIXED when they are released. They are broken and usually patched 5 times in the first 3 months of release.
Here we go again with the LIBERAL manipulation. When I stated FIXED and from my sentence it explains the meaning. Obviously AGAIN you either just speed read through my post looking for words to argue rather than argeeing the ideas. However, just incase it is just ignorance I will explain my terms here. FIXED is used here to express that consoles being FIXED in other words they are unchangeable. Unlike the PC they are very changable, modifiable and so on. How many times do I need to explain it? However, I guess that intelligence should be expected from a console fan. As most Teir support techs say is that a lot of people just can't get it through their heads that it isn't always the software and usually is just their configuration, keeping their drivers updated and so on. Now for a network technician you seem be be very ignorant to your own work. That is why I still question about your position. I bet if your boss was reading all what you posted he would be very leary about your qualifications. Also exaggerating game patches 5 times a month sounds more like you hate the PC industry than being honest. It is like me saying consoles suck because it costs more money to rent than buy and when y put the game disk in the machine it takes over 3 hours to load and when I finish one level I go and make dinner, take a shower and walk the dog and when I come back the machine is ready to run the next level. Dude, if you are going to nit pick people posts and try to quote everything they say then reply back in an excessive amout of exaggeration and filled with deceptive lies to make you win. Doesn't waste your time posting. You are just making the debate seem just more worthless. Also you make your console fanbois look as stupid as you.
For those of you that still don't understand..... Example, you bought a car.... I as a PC lover can open the hood and add stuff to it, remove stuff and even alter stuff. All consoles can do is put in the key and drive...
This is what I do. Buy a car and drive it. I am not a Fast and Furious fanboy. No need to add fancy chrome parts to the engine.
By the way, I have added a mod chip to my console and made some changes, but that is not part of the debate.
When did you be the leader to decide what is to be debated upon and what is to be left out. If we are debating about PC vs Console with regards to gaming, then we compare all gaming for both machines. However to this last reply, dude. READ DEEPER into what I am saying. I am not talking about chrome (looks). I am talking about a blower, NoS, Headers, Slicks, changing from a 4 speed to a 6 speed or whatever amount of gears you want. I am talking about a larger motor, infact forget the motor, lets make this race car a boat, no a ship no a space craft, nah lets make it a person and put a gun in his hand, no a sword, no a magic wand and lets have him cast spells. Final note.....What is gaming to you bro? is it just pushing buttons real fast being the first one to cross the finish line or the first one to shoot the other or etc...Well gaming to me is more than that. It is Hey dude come check out my new area I made...AREA, you get that not the same area with things in just different spots. I am talking about the whoel shape of things. A lot of us out in the gaming world love to create and play, Neverwinter Nights is one GREAT example of what the future of gaming is all about. Creating our own worlds to share with our friends. Consoles are just at the threshold of just playing together with people not in the same room and communication. Geez, we have been doing this since the late 80's on our PC's.
So if you think Consoles willl kill the PC gamer, I laugh in your face. When consoles stop being a communist gaming tool then I will listen
No one is saying it is killing PC gaming. Just surpassing it.
I think you need to re:read the topic: "the future of gaming is console not PC's" So it is VERY EASY to assume that your originator of this thread is stating that PC's have no future in gaming if assuming that consoles are the future. Still you haven't said anything like most others in this thread that shows EVIDENCE that console games are better. Just saying they are doesn't make it FACTUAL. Give us some REAL HARD CORE UNDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE!!! I have and Editing is one of them. Argue that. Oh I see they don't what editing on console game machines. What do you all think about that??? Can you come up with better? if not then don't argue unless it is good validation. I think this thread would only be 1-2 pages long if there wasn't soo much consoles suck, pc sucks type of validations. Not trying to attack you all, but hey, lets be more firm about this. Otherwise this post is just a bunch of hot air.
, but to be honest, nah consoles are slowly becoming a PC. Like a majority has stated here so far there is a tranparent merger going on.
This is true, so you should have no reason to be so passionate in your flaming... But I would call what the console is becoming a Home Entertainment device...
No, shame on you for trying to alter my words. I never said anything about Consoles becoming anything but merged....If you read me clearly. I said consoles are slowly becoming PC's not PC's are slowly becoming consoles. However about my passion. Sorry, but I guess you wouldn't know what it is like to be passionate about gaming. I guess I wouldn't either if I only played on the Xbox or just console machines.
However, you all don't see it. You may think one is dying while the other is rising, you are wrong, it is the power of gaming coming together for the ultimate gaming tool. Just like Bill Gates slowly brought all to the PC with GUI's he is slowly bringing console lovers to a very diverse gaming tool.
This is exactly what we have been telling you. A much better gamng tool evolving. Thanks for agreeing with us. What was the purpose of your rant?!?!
Agreeing with you? Aye? where did that come from??? Hmm, also I just noticed, you reply to part of my post in one and then reply in using the same words and more of the paragraph in a different responce. Man , I think you need to read more of what I say before you reply, your comprehension seems somewhat distorted to what I say. Dude, if you are going to quote me you should quote me by my paragraphs so it isn't so fragmented. Hmm, maybe it may be may fault of your fragmentation, if I forgot to break of in paragraphs, sorry if I did, sometimes I get to writing a thought and just keep typing. I appologise if I did...
BYW, the ultimate gaming tool is the PC, you will slowly get here.
Opps, sorry did I break his trance he has on you all Xbox lovers? Mohahaha....
Yes, thank god. For a minute here I thought you were disgreeing with us...
Hmm, just like I thought. Maybe I did forget to indent...
Hmm, maybe it isn't a trance, maybe just teaching you all slowly how a computer works...
Oh and about the guy saying how we can't have all our games ready to play and that console you just pop in the CD. Well it isn't memory it is hard disk space and yes if you have a large enough of a hard drive then you can have all games installed ready to play.
I don't think anyone said this? But, so... What is your point???
Yes it was said..you should read all posts before even replying to one, especially why did you quote this one if you don't even know what post I am quoting? Also why do you only have part of that statement there? hmm, damn liberals at it again. shame on you.
Also BTW, all I have to do is click on my desktop to play a game even old DOS based DOOM. Lets see you pull out your old Dragon warrior for your ninetendo out and put that in your Xbox.
Play Doom. So what? If I wanted to play some old Nintendo game, and I had it, why would I not turn my Nintendo on?
Yeah right, admit it, you still don't have it connected to your TV. If so you would have to replug in your Xbox to play it. We all know you would have to go into yor garage, get the ladder, go way up on that shelf in the back, get bit by a black wido and then reach the box to get, then take in back into the house. Move the entertainment system out . WATCH OUT make sure the TV doesn't fall off. Un plug the Xbox or your cable, plug in your RCA connecter and just hope that ol ninetendo even still works. Oh forget, got to unplug the xbox power to make room for the Ninetendo. Then after you get it all hooked back up hope you still have that old ninetendo game after all. Huney where did I put that old Zelda game for the Ninetendo, No huney that Zelda one is for the N64, no not that one either it is for the Super Ninetendo. Yes, finally, yes that one. Do what, on man it is in the other box in the garage. ok, you go through all of that and you bring it into the house and snap it into the machine. Crap why is the screen all filled with lines. ok, the power is on, the game is in correctly. Crap, what was that little trick to do to get it to work right? hmm, thats it. push it in ands when you get it right near the edge of being all the way in, snap it downward and it should work. Damn stupid pins and I did what they said, only use the OFFICIAL NINETENDO rubbing Alcohol and it still doesn't work. Meanwhile back at Tyrgris's house. Hey dude, do you remember old DOOM. Oh yeah, cool. want to see it. Sure, ok, NP Tyrgris clicks on his shortcut on his desktop and walla, you hear the sound of Doom... Glad I got a 180gig drive. It holds all my games. However if it didn't all I have to do is buy another drive and raid it. Yes another $100 bucks. Just about the same price I spend a month on the family for movies, including popcorn, soda and a snack. So if you say that is the reason for PC's not being part of the future, you got another thing coming. If gaming entertainment of a year is just worth a month of your families cost for going to the movies. I feel sorry for you. Well actually I don't. I think it is oyur fault that you are so tight with your money or just too poor to have a good life. Geez, to come to think of it. I think I suck about 1 1/2 Xboxs worth of gas through my car a month to.
Hmm, Well I can go back as far back as "Rogue: The Dungeons of Doom" an ASCII game originally made on the Unix OS and play it on my WinXP as of this day.
Yay fo ryou... That game runs on my PC too. What is your point???
Now, this would be a good play for that "ramp over the head" to come in. However, it is a cap on ouyr head now dude.
PC's rule....nuff said.
Heil Hitler... PCs Rule... Rule what?
Hmm, no wonder why you worship the console. I say PC's rules and you say Heil Hitler. Sorry, but I just got to say this....IDIOT!!!
Well that is it for now. Man, what a waste of my time. But I just had to reply to this guy. Obviously a perfect target when someone gets your post and trys to disect it into their own little story. I see this sometimes on forums, but I usually don't even read them since it is well known that most are modified and tailored to suit the argument of the respondant. However, like I said, I couldn't pass up this one. It was just to simple to cover. Also. I would suggest to you Tasky. It is just best to quote people using all of what they said if you want to be correct in the long run. However comming from you I would think it would be best that you just stay on topic and just give a list of why you think consoles are better. Then let people respond from that point on.
I think this thread has run it's course and maybe best to just go to that one topic where you all just vote on what is best in your opinion. However if you all just want to keep this thread alive that is up to you. Anyway, I've said what I believe to be enough to prove that PC's are the way to go and the future of gaming. I think just knowing that PC's have more capability is enough to see they PC's are leading the way of gaming. Eventhough Console games (adding up from all formats, Xbox, NGC, PS2 and etc) sell more/make more money, however they are the tail of the gaming industry in which the PC gaming industry guides the industry in the direction of the future.
Nuff said and hope you all see the light that consoles are just a cheap and artificial way for people that can't afford to keep up with the gaming industry.
Either way you look at it, the FACT is that console gaming is increasing and PC gaming is decreasing. It is a FACT. The sales numbers prove it. They were quoted and a link was provided in the other thread...
You continuously spout off about how PC gaming is for power users and only people that know how to use a PC count. If that is true, then PC gaming death is assured. As there are not enough of those types of gamers to support the industry.
And the flaming. Keep it coming... If you can't have a debate without resorting to insults, then you should not be debating at all. Find a kid to argue with, us adults like to have sensible debates. You are taking the debate too seriously. The forums are for fun, not life and death. Sit back and relax, enjoy the debate.
And, here... I did not quote any of your post. Hope that makes you feel better. I just responded to the whole thing in one big shot. Just like you asked... Don't want me to pick it apart and try to make sense out of your 40 sentence paragraph.
Keep twisting it all you want you are still wrong.
Sales on the Xbox aren't even near the PC. Sales on the PS2 aren't even near the PC, Sales on the NGC aren't even near the PC. But the only thing you can do to compare is add all sales up for all platforms and say that consoles are the future. I wonder what it all would look like if there were 3 platforms for the PC.
You can't add all sales up for all console platforms and compare it to one. It is wrong and only shows desparation to make yourself feel good for sitting on the couch playing your console machine while your kids sit there and watch you.
As for me being serious. Well first off my normal posts aren't even as half as long as yours and I don't spend the time that you do quoting every word that other say in this thread. For someone that isn't so serious about this thread, you sure do spend a lot of time dedicated to analyzing and restructuring everyones words. Infact for a console lover you sure do spend a lot of time on the computer. Don't tell me you actually give up the controller to let your kids play once in a while just so you can respond on this thread?
Don't tell me about resorting to insults when all your posts here are only insults. Not in one post have you said anything that has shown that you are correct in any proof that consoles games are better. So far all your come backs have been only mocking others posts. Still you contradic yourself and then point at others.
You are wrong that PC sales are going down. Infact this time of year all gaming sales go down because of the E3 show in May. After May all devs will be releasing their games. I think the link you are referring to is that fact that console sales sell a ton of useless games while most PC games are better rated. Otherwords I would rather buy games for a system where most games are worth buying rather than having 100 titles of games that aren't even worth playing. However like I said, your words yet haven't proven anything except that you talk a lot of dung. I could sit here to just ranting and resorting to personal insults like all you have done, but again... I think I will let others decide now. I have made my peace about why PC games are better than console games. All you have done is argue back so far about personal things and just make insinuating statements yet to be proven.
I think if you are going to be constructive you need to list why it is better. not just say it is better or on the other page there is a link to a review. No, let me see your list why consoles are better, then I will show you a list why PC games are better. You don't know me and all your personal attacks have no bearing and just speculation, just like your opinion about the gaming industry. Give everyone here material worth reading and stop the "You are GAY" tactics. Give everyone here a list to work with and I will give you mine. Nuff said, so just STFU or start using some of the brain you claim have for your console audience and make some progress or drop it. I am tired of watching you lash out while I beat the dead console horse.
Oh and on one finally note. For such a fan of console games you sure spend a lot of time at mmorpg.com, which I believe has only 2 games that are console based. I have been a member here for almost a year and only 30+ post and you have been a member here for about 4 months and have over 400+ posts. Hmm, I really wonder if you are a PC fan hidden in the closet or a console fan here to create havoc?
Originally posted by Tyrgris Keep twisting it all you want you are still wrong.
I haven't twisted anything. Priove me wrong. State some facts... Here are some for you...
Overall, 2003 U.S. sales of console games totaled USD 5.8 billion (186.4 million units) while computer games accounted for USD 1.2 billion (52.8 million units) in sales. Total game software sales in 2002 were USD 6.9 billion, with console games bringing in USD 5.5 billion in sales and computer games accounting for USD 1.4 billion. (Note: The numbers released by the ESA today do not include sales of game hardware or accessories.) A record nine console games sold more than one million units, and all were rated E or T. Thirty-nine console games sold more than 500,000 units and 83 exceeded the 250,000 unit barrier. Comparable numbers for 2002 were six, 33, and 73, respectively.
Sales on the Xbox aren't even near the PC. Sales on the PS2 aren't even near the PC, Sales on the NGC aren't even near the PC. But the only thing you can do to compare is add all sales up for all platforms and say that consoles are the future. I wonder what it all would look like if there were 3 platforms for the PC.
I hope you read that article. Proves you wrong. I have not found specific numbers for the 3 consoles yet. but if there are three of them and they have 4 times the sales as PC games, then at least one of them has outsold the PC.
Can you possibly show any proof of what you are saying? Of course not.
You can't add all sales up for all console platforms and compare it to one. It is wrong and only shows desparation to make yourself feel good for sitting on the couch playing your console machine while your kids sit there and watch you.
Like I just showed, at least one of them has beat the PC, and possibly two. Bottom line is, console sales are killing the PC. By far!
As for me being serious. Well first off my normal posts aren't even as half as long as yours and I don't spend the time that you do quoting every word that other say in this thread. For someone that isn't so serious about this thread, you sure do spend a lot of time dedicated to analyzing and restructuring everyones words. Infact for a console lover you sure do spend a lot of time on the computer. Don't tell me you actually give up the controller to let your kids play once in a while just so you can respond on this thread?
I have taken your words directly out of your post in the order you typed them. Never have I "restructured them". I have added structure where you had none.
I love PCs, my life and work revolve around PCs. I love MMORPGs and I will play them on the PC and on the Xbox when a good one comes. I keep saying, it is not an exclusive thing. You can use both, it is OK. No one is going to ostracise you. My kids have their own Xbox.
Don't tell me about resorting to insults when all your posts here are only insults. Not in one post have you said anything that has shown that you are correct in any proof that consoles games are better. So far all your come backs have been only mocking others posts. Still you contradic yourself and then point at others.
Show me an insult I posted. If I did, I will apologize. Again, a little proof please. Just because you take the words I type personally does not mean they are an attack. You are taking this too seriuously.
You are wrong that PC sales are going down. Infact this time of year all gaming sales go down because of the E3 show in May. After May all devs will be releasing their games. I think the link you are referring to is that fact that console sales sell a ton of useless games while most PC games are better rated. Otherwords I would rather buy games for a system where most games are worth buying rather than having 100 titles of games that aren't even worth playing. However like I said, your words yet haven't proven anything except that you talk a lot of dung. I could sit here to just ranting and resorting to personal insults like all you have done, but again... I think I will let others decide now. I have made my peace about why PC games are better than console games. All you have done is argue back so far about personal things and just make insinuating statements yet to be proven.
Game sales are up for consoles in 2003 and down for PC games. Read the exceprt I posted. Console sales are up .3 billion, and PC games are down .2 billion.
Again, show me personal attacks. You have used words like idiot in your posts. I have never... You have resorted to insults because you are losing the debate and it is getting under your skin. Relax.
I think if you are going to be constructive you need to list why it is better. not just say it is better or on the other page there is a link to a review. No, let me see your list why consoles are better, then I will show you a list why PC games are better. You don't know me and all your personal attacks have no bearing and just speculation, just like your opinion about the gaming industry. Give everyone here material worth reading and stop the "You are GAY" tactics. Give everyone here a list to work with and I will give you mine. Nuff said, so just STFU or start using some of the brain you claim have for your console audience and make some progress or drop it. I am tired of watching you lash out while I beat the dead console horse.
I have listed why it is better. Have you read the thread? I am not going to repeat stuff I have posted previously in this thread. You keep saying I made personal attacks. Where??? Youa re just saying it, because i said it. problem is, I am right. You did throw insults. I did not. You have not insulted me though, as I just ignore posts like that from people who cannot win their debate with debate.
Gay... LOL. I have not posted that word.
Here, I have given you proof. Now show me proof that my side of the argument is wrong. The sales figures don't lie. Console sales increasing. PC sales decreasing.
Topic of the thread, "The future of gaming is console not PC". The sales figures prove it.
Don't be shocked byt he numbers either. Console sales 4 times more, almost 5.
I will continue to ignore your insults, keep throwing them. But try to post some substance or facts this time around.
Originally posted by Tyrgris Oh and on one finally note. For such a fan of console games you sure spend a lot of time at mmorpg.com, which I believe has only 2 games that are console based. I have been a member here for almost a year and only 30+ post and you have been a member here for about 4 months and have over 400+ posts. Hmm, I really wonder if you are a PC fan hidden in the closet or a console fan here to create havoc?
You can read all of my posts. I am making a contribution here. I post intelligible posts, I help people when I can, and have been a contructive member of the site.
Your 30 posts in a year just show that you are not a contributor, just a watcher (lurker). Or you just don't visit often. Which is fine. Nothing wrong with that. Again, you are trying for personal attacks. The debate is Console vs. PC, not who is a better person or who can call the other person the worst (best?) name.
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The funniest part of all this is that the original poster got on a PC, went to a PC gaming forum, just to tell us all that consoles are better? I dont get what the big deal is. Most people have a computer anyway, so it only makes sense to play games on it also. Why go out and buy a console too? Aside from that, how am I gonna watch my only TV if im playing a PS2 at the same time? Oh ya, you cant.
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Gee, thats the same speed as my PC was about 3 years ago...
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OK, I read already 8 pages and no one has yet to state any of this.... Um
Hey you console lovers. What do you do if the game dev of your choice comes out with expansions? Well we pay cheaper since it is only an expansion, you all have to pay full price since it is another full game with a game engine. Example. Morrowind, Metal of Honor and etc.
Now the biggie why my son plays on his Xbox and I stay on my computer. two words.....MAP EDITING. Or lets go furture. HAHAHA I can make my own land in Morrowind. Or. Hey how come no console game machine doesn't have Neverwinter Nights? Is it because they don't expect CHILDREN to know how to do scripting??? Or could it be because you can't EDIT on a console????? Oh BYW to that one guy that says he is a Network Manager, ok, yeah right, never heard of that position, heard of Network technician, network systems analyst and network administration and etc, but manager???? OH come on give me a break, I don't think any internet job listing has ever called any networking positions "manager". Don't think they stick a descrip. so generic as that. BTW, you bragg a lot and seem so arrogant. I don't think you telling us what your position is is going to convnce us that you know more. Infact comparing 3 console brands against one PC market is very sad. If that's what it takes to make you PS2 or Xbox lovers feel good. But however, not all developers develope for all consoles and if you notice there are way more titles for the PC "IN GENERAL" than there are for any console even counting Ninetendo, Sega and others...Don't forget, we can use any games from the PC which include UNIX, Linux, MSDOS, Windows and others. Infact I think MAC users will stand by us to. So, for you lovers of the Console region, go play your limited games while we edit, modify and recreate the games we play. So if you want to compare, lets compare which provides more use than pulling a liberal comment of the WHAT IF = Guess work on how many consoles will be sold in 2008. How about I start a banning on Consoles and I tell all to ROCK THE VOTE and lets all have the communist console machines DIE and long live the more diversible PC. Bottom line. this is a flame to attack all who appose the PC world.This post shouldn't be titled "The future of gaming is console not PC" It should be WAH, I am too poor, lazy, stupid to figure out how to run a computer without, BSOD (sorry sounds like you are still using Win98, hmm if you compare to that maybe I should compare current PC's to old sega?) Drivers?, crashes?, other annoying problems, Well that is why they made consoles, for people that don't know how to use a PC without screwing it up. Viruses, hacks and on and on...Manall this stuff you console lovers list I never ever had a problem with.
This topic maybe about console vs PC games, but don't come saying consoles will kill PC games until your console games can do what PC games can do. PC games are a total different aspect than Console games. Of course you are going to have a total different outcome with PC's than Consoles. Console games are FIXED. PC games are not!!!
For those of you that still don't understand.....
Example, you bought a car....
I as a PC lover can open the hood and add stuff to it, remove stuff and even alter stuff.
All consoles can do is put in the key and drive...
So if you think Consoles willl kill the PC gamer, I laugh in your face. When consoles stop being a communist gaming tool then I will listen, but to be honest, nah consoles are slowly becoming a PC. Like a majority has stated here so far there is a tranparent merger going on. However, you all don't see it. You may think one is dying while the other is rising, you are wrong, it is the power of gaming coming together for the ultimate gaming tool. Just like Bill Gates slowly brought all to the PC with GUI's he is slowly bringing console lovers to a very diverse gaming tool. Opps, sorry did I break his trance he has on you all Xbox lovers? Mohahaha....
Oh and about the guy saying how we can't have all our games ready to play and that console you just pop in the CD. Well it isn't memory it is hard disk space and yes if you have a large enough of a hard drive then you can have all games installed ready to play. Also BTW, all I have to do is click on my desktop to play a game even old DOS based DOOM. Lets see you pull out your old Dragon warrior for your ninetendo out and put that in your Xbox. Hmm, Well I can go back as far back as "Rogue: The Dungeons of Doom" http://home.wanadoo.nl/loche/rogue/index.html an ASCII game originally made on the Unix OS and play it on my WinXP as of this day. PC's rule....nuff said.
Kuzzle, sorry, but tell me what college you went to to learn how to read others feeling in text? Man, dude could you actually even hear me? Wow PC's are awesome huh? Oh and btw prove consoles are better? Umm you say you play the game while I edit it? ok, do you think I edit and not play? If you had any intellegence you would REALIZE I get more out of the game than you and I also get to put in more, so STFU when all you are doing is picking words to suit your own ideas. Oh and BTW I don't think my son is stupid, usually most others figure a 5 year old can't edit. IDIOT!!! See what happens when you assume. You make a arse out of yourself...So if you say consoles are better, how come I get not only what you get out of it, but more. On top of that how come your games are set to 800x600 "PROVE ME WRONG" FACTUALLY!!!! On the other hand I play on a digital screen and at 21" @ 1280x1024. Which is a waste if the screen if it is any larger unless you are SOOO lazy to have to sit back on a "POTATO COUCH" instead of upright and close enough to the screen. Of course at a distance ona large screen everything looks nice even a game at 800x600 res on a 56" screen.
BTW are you 5 years old to? I wouldn't want to call you an arse if you are. You just wouldn't know better. Oh BTW, do you know how many PC games you can edit? Also no not all games do LEVELS, I think i fyou knew more about the PC gaming you wouldn't even argue this. You would know right off that Consoles SUCK!!!!
Finally, it is very obviously you just have admitted you know that PC games are better since the only thing you could do as a come back is an ATTEMPT of a personal attack. Bah, you lost get to know someone better before you attack their character, you suck at being a politician a liberal one at that!!!
BTW Kuzzle, don't blow a gasket on replying to that last one. I would hate to see it deleted like your other one on page 9. Man, you got to learn some self control dude!!!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Oh yeah, also dude, stop using the thesaurus so much, pompous really doesn't fix in that sentence you used, arrogant would be more appropriate. Just because you use alternative words doesn't make you seem so intelligent. You fraud!!!
However, in fact you are wrong. Anyone that is anyone that has all them problems while using a PC is true to the definition of what most literate PC users call, especially someone that is at least equivalent to a techie is known as PLBKC. To put that in laymen's terms. Problem Lies Between the Keyboard and Chair. so to assume I am being in your words POMPOUS, or more appropriate in terms "arrogant" is totally foolish in your view. So, are you saying people that have all these problems are completely computer literate? I think not and stop being the underdog...
Forget it it. I can't argue at that knee high level. It is like arguing with my dog. Nuff said. take it and bleed or cry in your terms. or rant if you want. I just can't argue with a sick console mind. period. Sorry admin, I will stop now
I've typed 3 big long post and none of them have posted. This crap is getting old quick.
I don't use a thesaurus. I like the word pompous better then arrogant, ass. Go take some blood pressuse medication. I'm sure youre son will thank you for ruining his life by having him inherit such a temper. I've made valid points, but as I want this one to post, I wont write them. You must have issues to come onto a forum and bash others. All I said in the deleted post was that if I lived close to him I'd threaten him. I can sum up what I'd like to say in two words, but I shouldn't say them on here... Well, I could say the last one, it's just 'you'.
So my closing arguement is now:
Rot in hell, bastard.
P.S. I see no reason to delete this and not his.
Kuzzle...You need therapy. How you read a temper in to my words is beyond me. I think what you are doing is putting your own emotions into my text. Listen, I am not you and I wouldn't want to be you. I would probably kill myself if I were, however beside that fact. Guy, you need to learn to read words for what it is and not put your own feelings into it. I've seen too many people like you get hurt IRL because of taking others words and putting in their own thoughts. Dude Get help, obviously you are starting to lose it from your name calling now. I think you better stop posting before you have a nervous breakdown. I would hate to see that all because of a post some little kid goes and commits suicide or pulls another columbine all because of a rant about PC's vs. Console games.
oh and BTW, I can use it all I like
Also, I think you need to judge yourself before judging others. Ever hear of Pull the damn log out of your eye before trying to pull a splinter out of others?
Another one that didn't post! This crap is already old, not it's just barely hanging on for life and I'm chasing it with an axe. Shut up about me needing therapy, I hate therapy and don't need any more of it. What the hell was your jumbled english trying to tell me anyway? PLBKC, that's crap and you know it. I'm not even going to get into this, I have enough deleted post as it s. But you can bet the staff will side with you, people always seem to do that.
Now I'm going to drop this but if you make another comment directed at me I'm going to pick it right back up and throw it through your window.
OK.. Stop the war.. enof is said..
ever heard .. calculator is part of the evolution circle for computers?
Consoles are made specially for gamers .. for people with f
up computers , people with no hard disk space, people with the money to spend on another machine.
a Computer, was actually made to do data collection, work etc etc.. and not used for gaming.. but of coz.. over time..
What im trying to say is : The people who made consoles were actually making a another version of a computer which is technogically backwards ..
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WHAT THE F*** WAS I SAYING.. IM GAY AINT IT?..
lmao
Living history.
Opinions differ, don't try to defend yours with zealous fanaticism. State your mind and arguments and balance them with what others say. The subject of this thread doesn't need a final conclusion that is written in stone.
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Why does it matter if you dont have to install a game on console? My PC installs most games faster than consoles load games. Then once installed it loads alot faster than a console. Aside from that, yes consoles do load games fairly quickly, but they are all games with poor graphics (compared to PC) and dont have nearly as much content. So who cares if a crappy game LOADS faster? Its still crap.
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Rent it? Get an update through XBox Live? By it? I do all of these things. Usually though, an expansion on a console normally contains the original as well, so people buying it for the first time get both the orginal and the exansion. A lot of time the expansion are cheaper just like on a PC...
Can you do this for every game? No. There are console game sthat allow this, I just played one this weekend... Hmm trying to remember... MotoTrax. Allows you to make your own tracks and race them. There are others...
Probably because they don't want to make an editor for the console... Your point here?
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You PC supporters guys like to argue the term console in general, not us. I will use the XBox as my sole argument if you like.
That is a crock of shiite... Run a MAC game on your PC... I bet you have never installed Linux... Let a lone get a game compiled and up and running.
Poeple like you just wear a ramp on yur heads and let stuff fly over... I have a nice PC, I play PC games as well. No one says you should only play one of them. That is not what the debate is about at all. We have never said there are not games better played on a PC...
Wow... you just went off the deep end on this one. Ban consoles... Because they are so dangerous right...
People who cannot debate always resort to flames. Flame away... You just lose your argument when you start flaming.
Or don't want to admit to. No big deal. If only knowledgaeable PC users play PC games, you can rest assured, PC gaming will die a certain death. Most PC gamers out there do not know how to fix all of the problems associated with making a game that isn't working work.
My game console can already do most of what your PC can do game wise. And it can do more... How many split screen games you got? One?
This is so true. A console games has to be fixed AND WORKING when it is released. It can't be patched later. You get much better quality in the console market. Right, PC games are not FIXED when they are released. They are broken and usually patched 5 times in the first 3 months of release.
This is what I do. Buy a car and drive it. I am not a Fast and Furious fanboy. No need to add fancy chrome parts to the engine.
By the way, I have added a mod chip to my console and made some changes, but that is not part of the debate.
No one is saying it is killing PC gaming. Just surpassing it.
This is true, so you should have no reason to be so passionate in your flaming... But I would call what the console is becoming a Home Entertainment device...
This is exactly what we have been telling you. A much better gamng tool evolving. Thanks for agreeing with us. What was the purpose of your rant?!?!
Yes, thank god. For a minute here I thought you were disgreeing with us...
I don't think anyone said this? But, so... What is your point???
Play Doom. So what? If I wanted to play some old Nintendo game, and I had it, why would I not turn my Nintendo on?
Yay fo ryou... That game runs on my PC too. What is your point???
Heil Hitler... PCs Rule... Rule what?
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LOL...
Well thought out answer...
Wow, you won the whole argument there...
I do like football though. Never tried Ritalin, I like Tequila, Jack Daniel's, and MicroBrews... Who makes Ritalin??
Can you do this for every game? No. There are console game sthat allow this, I just played one this weekend... Hmm trying to remember... MotoTrax. Allows you to make your own tracks and race them. There are others...
You call that editing, slapping lego blocks together? I don't think so!!! Also I never did say anything about ALL games come with an editor, but if you do truly know anything about computers you would know that your words of "can you do this with every game? no." I think something there tells me you are somehow lied your way into your job position. If you talk to anyone that knows PC's well enough, you can edit anything that can be installed. Yes there are others to your console editing, like tony hawk and others that provide the same thing, what we all Block editing, wow, I can't really say that would be really editing, more like moving furniture.
Probably because they don't want to make an editor for the console... Your point here?
Another point that seemed to go completely over your head and that is how you defend your console fans/friends. Sad, I don't think any dev would want to exclude an editor. Infact most PC games to date all come with editors, if they don't they do sell so well. That my friend is the future in gaming. I don't think the devs are NOT wanting an editor in consoles. More like it is that it would be completely impossible!!! You would have to come out with a PS3 or an Xbox2. And I bet anything that still with the technology of the consoles it would be still way too much for them to handle it.
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My point exactly, you don't have to prove to me that you do. My point was at the end of that sentence "you bragg a lot and seem so arrogant. I don't think you telling us what your position is is going to convnce us that you know more.",(sorry, my spelling isn't all so good, but I'm not going to correct it in the middle of a quote) Geez, I think you should read the whole thing before jumping the gun in the middle of my paragraph. Obviously you do that often from the looks of your fragmented reply here.
Infact comparing 3 console brands against one PC market is very sad. If that's what it takes to make you PS2 or Xbox lovers feel good. But however, not all developers develope for all consoles and if you notice there are way more titles for the PC "IN GENERAL" than there are for any console even counting Ninetendo, Sega and others...
You PC supporters guys like to argue the term console in general, not us. I will use the XBox as my sole argument if you like.
Tasky, Umm did you read the title of this thread???
Don't forget, we can use any games from the PC which include UNIX, Linux, MSDOS, Windows and others.
That is a crock of shiite... Run a MAC game on your PC... I bet you have never installed Linux... Let a lone get a game compiled and up and running.
When did the MAC become part of the console side??? Don't try to put words in my mouth that a MAC game can run on a PC. However, if you were intelligent enough you would know what I meant. BTW, I think you even quoted the wrong part and forgot to include what I did say about the MAC, geez get it right next time. Man, just like the liberals, They modify what others say and then reply to that. I see a lot of that here. See, I told you that the console machines are a communist gaming machine.
Poeple like you just wear a ramp on yur heads and let stuff fly over... I have a nice PC, I play PC games as well. No one says you should only play one of them. That is not what the debate is about at all. We have never said there are not games better played on a PC...
No, I think you are over looking the point of this whole thread, obviously again in your last post shows that so clearly. As for your last statement on that...."We have never said there are not games better played on a PC..." Finally a statement from you that is true. However, dude, you contradic yourself a lot in this thread. Also I think you should speak for yourself. I don't think you are a representative for all who post here.
Wow... you just went off the deep end on this one. Ban consoles... Because they are so dangerous right...
Oh so you think Consoles are dangerous? Well I didn't say it so you are the one who must think it. If you REALLY read into what I said, that was more of a statement for us PC games to laugh at. Here, I will show you how to read into it ok!!! Listen up here is a literature lesson for you.
So if you want to compare, lets compare which provides more use than pulling a liberal comment of the WHAT IF = Guess work on how many consoles will be sold in 2008.
In this part I am mocking you console lovers showing how desparate you all are at in hopes that the console machines will take over the world from a poll that consoles will sell SOOO much in 4 years from now.
How about I start a banning on Consoles and I tell all to ROCK THE VOTE and lets all have the communist console machines DIE and long live the more diversible PC.
Here I am laughing at how polls are a joke and how much bullcrap can come from it. Well I hope I put all of this in very basic concepts of a layman's term for you to comprehend.
People who cannot debate always resort to flames. Flame away... You just lose your argument when you start flaming.
All I have to say about that is. That remark was your attempt in hopes that the word "FLAME" is a killer for any reasoning.
Or don't want to admit to. No big deal. If only knowledgaeable PC users play PC games, you can rest assured, PC gaming will die a certain death. Most PC gamers out there do not know how to fix all of the problems associated with making a game that isn't working work.
No, if you can understand my point there, is that comnpter games aren't really for the general public, they are power horse gaming for people that love to not only play games, but love to edit, modify, create and play in large networks that are obviously impossible with console machines. Consoles are more for people that just want to hop into a game and play and call it a night. Dont' chop at the PC gamer, because you are choping at a very large base of gamers that are way more serious in gaming than your typical console gamer. That is also one reason why I said about disbelief that you are even a network employee, most people I know in the Computing industry know there is so much to the gaming industry on the PC than there ever will be on the console. I would hate to see what happens to the console industry when the 64bit PC's are more of a norm, most game developers have been waiting very long to start creating on it.
This topic maybe about console vs PC games, but don't come saying consoles will kill PC games until your console games can do what PC games can do. PC games are a total different aspect than Console games.
My game console can already do most of what your PC can do game wise. And it can do more... How many split screen games you got? One?
Who is the heck wants a split screen. My son has his friends come over with thier Xboxs and their TV's, do you think they even want to use the split screen? I don't think so, after they beg me every Friday to let them bring them over. Infact I think they beg harder for that than they do for the Pizzahut. Why do you think that the xbox supports multiport connects? You console can do most of what my PC does game wise? OMFG I can't believe that for one ms. First off your console can't even play the same game as mine unless it uses a less demanding engine. Metal of Honor is one example. Also you can't even do half the amount of resolution that my system can so. You can edit, modify, enhance or have control over the sound, graphics and other aspects of game engine. Not only to include that you have a very simplified version of controls.
Of course you are going to have a total different outcome with PC's than Consoles. Console games are FIXED. PC games are not!!!
This is so true. A console games has to be fixed AND WORKING when it is released. It can't be patched later. You get much better quality in the console market. Right, PC games are not FIXED when they are released. They are broken and usually patched 5 times in the first 3 months of release.
Here we go again with the LIBERAL manipulation. When I stated FIXED and from my sentence it explains the meaning. Obviously AGAIN you either just speed read through my post looking for words to argue rather than argeeing the ideas. However, just incase it is just ignorance I will explain my terms here. FIXED is used here to express that consoles being FIXED in other words they are unchangeable. Unlike the PC they are very changable, modifiable and so on. How many times do I need to explain it? However, I guess that intelligence should be expected from a console fan. As most Teir support techs say is that a lot of people just can't get it through their heads that it isn't always the software and usually is just their configuration, keeping their drivers updated and so on. Now for a network technician you seem be be very ignorant to your own work. That is why I still question about your position. I bet if your boss was reading all what you posted he would be very leary about your qualifications. Also exaggerating game patches 5 times a month sounds more like you hate the PC industry than being honest. It is like me saying consoles suck because it costs more money to rent than buy and when y put the game disk in the machine it takes over 3 hours to load and when I finish one level I go and make dinner, take a shower and walk the dog and when I come back the machine is ready to run the next level. Dude, if you are going to nit pick people posts and try to quote everything they say then reply back in an excessive amout of exaggeration and filled with deceptive lies to make you win. Doesn't waste your time posting. You are just making the debate seem just more worthless. Also you make your console fanbois look as stupid as you.
For those of you that still don't understand.....
Example, you bought a car....
I as a PC lover can open the hood and add stuff to it, remove stuff and even alter stuff.
All consoles can do is put in the key and drive...
This is what I do. Buy a car and drive it. I am not a Fast and Furious fanboy. No need to add fancy chrome parts to the engine.
By the way, I have added a mod chip to my console and made some changes, but that is not part of the debate.
When did you be the leader to decide what is to be debated upon and what is to be left out. If we are debating about PC vs Console with regards to gaming, then we compare all gaming for both machines. However to this last reply, dude. READ DEEPER into what I am saying. I am not talking about chrome (looks). I am talking about a blower, NoS, Headers, Slicks, changing from a 4 speed to a 6 speed or whatever amount of gears you want. I am talking about a larger motor, infact forget the motor, lets make this race car a boat, no a ship no a space craft, nah lets make it a person and put a gun in his hand, no a sword, no a magic wand and lets have him cast spells. Final note.....What is gaming to you bro? is it just pushing buttons real fast being the first one to cross the finish line or the first one to shoot the other or etc...Well gaming to me is more than that. It is Hey dude come check out my new area I made...AREA, you get that not the same area with things in just different spots. I am talking about the whoel shape of things. A lot of us out in the gaming world love to create and play, Neverwinter Nights is one GREAT example of what the future of gaming is all about. Creating our own worlds to share with our friends. Consoles are just at the threshold of just playing together with people not in the same room and communication. Geez, we have been doing this since the late 80's on our PC's.
No one is saying it is killing PC gaming. Just surpassing it.
I think you need to re:read the topic: "the future of gaming is console not PC's" So it is VERY EASY to assume that your originator of this thread is stating that PC's have no future in gaming if assuming that consoles are the future. Still you haven't said anything like most others in this thread that shows EVIDENCE that console games are better. Just saying they are doesn't make it FACTUAL. Give us some REAL HARD CORE UNDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE!!! I have and Editing is one of them. Argue that. Oh I see they don't what editing on console game machines. What do you all think about that??? Can you come up with better? if not then don't argue unless it is good validation. I think this thread would only be 1-2 pages long if there wasn't soo much consoles suck, pc sucks type of validations. Not trying to attack you all, but hey, lets be more firm about this. Otherwise this post is just a bunch of hot air.
This is true, so you should have no reason to be so passionate in your flaming... But I would call what the console is becoming a Home Entertainment device...
No, shame on you for trying to alter my words. I never said anything about Consoles becoming anything but merged....If you read me clearly. I said consoles are slowly becoming PC's not PC's are slowly becoming consoles. However about my passion. Sorry, but I guess you wouldn't know what it is like to be passionate about gaming. I guess I wouldn't either if I only played on the Xbox or just console machines.
This is exactly what we have been telling you. A much better gamng tool evolving. Thanks for agreeing with us. What was the purpose of your rant?!?!
Agreeing with you? Aye? where did that come from??? Hmm, also I just noticed, you reply to part of my post in one and then reply in using the same words and more of the paragraph in a different responce. Man , I think you need to read more of what I say before you reply, your comprehension seems somewhat distorted to what I say. Dude, if you are going to quote me you should quote me by my paragraphs so it isn't so fragmented. Hmm, maybe it may be may fault of your fragmentation, if I forgot to break of in paragraphs, sorry if I did, sometimes I get to writing a thought and just keep typing. I appologise if I did...
BYW, the ultimate gaming tool is the PC, you will slowly get here.
Yes, thank god. For a minute here I thought you were disgreeing with us...
Hmm, just like I thought. Maybe I did forget to indent...
Hmm, maybe it isn't a trance, maybe just teaching you all slowly how a computer works...
I don't think anyone said this? But, so... What is your point???
Yes it was said..you should read all posts before even replying to one, especially why did you quote this one if you don't even know what post I am quoting? Also why do you only have part of that statement there? hmm, damn liberals at it again. shame on you.
Play Doom. So what? If I wanted to play some old Nintendo game, and I had it, why would I not turn my Nintendo on?
Yeah right, admit it, you still don't have it connected to your TV. If so you would have to replug in your Xbox to play it. We all know you would have to go into yor garage, get the ladder, go way up on that shelf in the back, get bit by a black wido and then reach the box to get, then take in back into the house. Move the entertainment system out . WATCH OUT make sure the TV doesn't fall off. Un plug the Xbox or your cable, plug in your RCA connecter and just hope that ol ninetendo even still works. Oh forget, got to unplug the xbox power to make room for the Ninetendo. Then after you get it all hooked back up hope you still have that old ninetendo game after all. Huney where did I put that old Zelda game for the Ninetendo, No huney that Zelda one is for the N64, no not that one either it is for the Super Ninetendo. Yes, finally, yes that one. Do what, on man it is in the other box in the garage. ok, you go through all of that and you bring it into the house and snap it into the machine. Crap why is the screen all filled with lines. ok, the power is on, the game is in correctly. Crap, what was that little trick to do to get it to work right? hmm, thats it. push it in ands when you get it right near the edge of being all the way in, snap it downward and it should work. Damn stupid pins and I did what they said, only use the OFFICIAL NINETENDO rubbing Alcohol and it still doesn't work. Meanwhile back at Tyrgris's house. Hey dude, do you remember old DOOM. Oh yeah, cool. want to see it. Sure, ok, NP Tyrgris clicks on his shortcut on his desktop and walla, you hear the sound of Doom... Glad I got a 180gig drive. It holds all my games. However if it didn't all I have to do is buy another drive and raid it. Yes another $100 bucks. Just about the same price I spend a month on the family for movies, including popcorn, soda and a snack. So if you say that is the reason for PC's not being part of the future, you got another thing coming. If gaming entertainment of a year is just worth a month of your families cost for going to the movies. I feel sorry for you. Well actually I don't. I think it is oyur fault that you are so tight with your money or just too poor to have a good life. Geez, to come to think of it. I think I suck about 1 1/2 Xboxs worth of gas through my car a month to.
Yay fo ryou... That game runs on my PC too. What is your point???
Now, this would be a good play for that "ramp over the head" to come in. However, it is a cap on ouyr head now dude.
Heil Hitler... PCs Rule... Rule what?
Hmm, no wonder why you worship the console. I say PC's rules and you say Heil Hitler. Sorry, but I just got to say this....IDIOT!!!
Well that is it for now. Man, what a waste of my time. But I just had to reply to this guy. Obviously a perfect target when someone gets your post and trys to disect it into their own little story. I see this sometimes on forums, but I usually don't even read them since it is well known that most are modified and tailored to suit the argument of the respondant. However, like I said, I couldn't pass up this one. It was just to simple to cover. Also. I would suggest to you Tasky. It is just best to quote people using all of what they said if you want to be correct in the long run. However comming from you I would think it would be best that you just stay on topic and just give a list of why you think consoles are better. Then let people respond from that point on.
I think this thread has run it's course and maybe best to just go to that one topic where you all just vote on what is best in your opinion. However if you all just want to keep this thread alive that is up to you. Anyway, I've said what I believe to be enough to prove that PC's are the way to go and the future of gaming. I think just knowing that PC's have more capability is enough to see they PC's are leading the way of gaming. Eventhough Console games (adding up from all formats, Xbox, NGC, PS2 and etc) sell more/make more money, however they are the tail of the gaming industry in which the PC gaming industry guides the industry in the direction of the future.
Nuff said and hope you all see the light that consoles are just a cheap and artificial way for people that can't afford to keep up with the gaming industry.
Man, this whole debate is lost on you...
Either way you look at it, the FACT is that console gaming is increasing and PC gaming is decreasing. It is a FACT. The sales numbers prove it. They were quoted and a link was provided in the other thread...
You continuously spout off about how PC gaming is for power users and only people that know how to use a PC count. If that is true, then PC gaming death is assured. As there are not enough of those types of gamers to support the industry.
And the flaming. Keep it coming... If you can't have a debate without resorting to insults, then you should not be debating at all. Find a kid to argue with, us adults like to have sensible debates. You are taking the debate too seriously. The forums are for fun, not life and death. Sit back and relax, enjoy the debate.
And, here... I did not quote any of your post. Hope that makes you feel better. I just responded to the whole thing in one big shot. Just like you asked... Don't want me to pick it apart and try to make sense out of your 40 sentence paragraph.
Keep twisting it all you want you are still wrong.
Sales on the Xbox aren't even near the PC. Sales on the PS2 aren't even near the PC, Sales on the NGC aren't even near the PC. But the only thing you can do to compare is add all sales up for all platforms and say that consoles are the future. I wonder what it all would look like if there were 3 platforms for the PC.
You can't add all sales up for all console platforms and compare it to one. It is wrong and only shows desparation to make yourself feel good for sitting on the couch playing your console machine while your kids sit there and watch you.
As for me being serious. Well first off my normal posts aren't even as half as long as yours and I don't spend the time that you do quoting every word that other say in this thread. For someone that isn't so serious about this thread, you sure do spend a lot of time dedicated to analyzing and restructuring everyones words. Infact for a console lover you sure do spend a lot of time on the computer. Don't tell me you actually give up the controller to let your kids play once in a while just so you can respond on this thread?
Don't tell me about resorting to insults when all your posts here are only insults. Not in one post have you said anything that has shown that you are correct in any proof that consoles games are better. So far all your come backs have been only mocking others posts. Still you contradic yourself and then point at others.
You are wrong that PC sales are going down. Infact this time of year all gaming sales go down because of the E3 show in May. After May all devs will be releasing their games. I think the link you are referring to is that fact that console sales sell a ton of useless games while most PC games are better rated. Otherwords I would rather buy games for a system where most games are worth buying rather than having 100 titles of games that aren't even worth playing. However like I said, your words yet haven't proven anything except that you talk a lot of dung. I could sit here to just ranting and resorting to personal insults like all you have done, but again... I think I will let others decide now. I have made my peace about why PC games are better than console games. All you have done is argue back so far about personal things and just make insinuating statements yet to be proven.
I think if you are going to be constructive you need to list why it is better. not just say it is better or on the other page there is a link to a review. No, let me see your list why consoles are better, then I will show you a list why PC games are better. You don't know me and all your personal attacks have no bearing and just speculation, just like your opinion about the gaming industry. Give everyone here material worth reading and stop the "You are GAY" tactics. Give everyone here a list to work with and I will give you mine. Nuff said, so just STFU or start using some of the brain you claim have for your console audience and make some progress or drop it. I am tired of watching you lash out while I beat the dead console horse.
Oh and on one finally note. For such a fan of console games you sure spend a lot of time at mmorpg.com, which I believe has only 2 games that are console based. I have been a member here for almost a year and only 30+ post and you have been a member here for about 4 months and have over 400+ posts. Hmm, I really wonder if you are a PC fan hidden in the closet or a console fan here to create havoc?
Wow, paragraphs, are you OK??
I haven't twisted anything. Priove me wrong. State some facts... Here are some for you...
Overall, 2003 U.S. sales of console games totaled USD 5.8 billion (186.4 million units) while computer games accounted for USD 1.2 billion (52.8 million units) in sales. Total game software sales in 2002 were USD 6.9 billion, with console games bringing in USD 5.5 billion in sales and computer games accounting for USD 1.4 billion. (Note: The numbers released by the ESA today do not include sales of game hardware or accessories.) A record nine console games sold more than one million units, and all were rated E or T. Thirty-nine console games sold more than 500,000 units and 83 exceeded the 250,000 unit barrier. Comparable numbers for 2002 were six, 33, and 73, respectively.
Taken from this article:
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/pc/gamesalesfor2003-conclusions.shtml
I hope you read that article. Proves you wrong. I have not found specific numbers for the 3 consoles yet. but if there are three of them and they have 4 times the sales as PC games, then at least one of them has outsold the PC.
Can you possibly show any proof of what you are saying? Of course not.
Like I just showed, at least one of them has beat the PC, and possibly two. Bottom line is, console sales are killing the PC. By far!
I have taken your words directly out of your post in the order you typed them. Never have I "restructured them". I have added structure where you had none.
I love PCs, my life and work revolve around PCs. I love MMORPGs and I will play them on the PC and on the Xbox when a good one comes. I keep saying, it is not an exclusive thing. You can use both, it is OK. No one is going to ostracise you. My kids have their own Xbox.
Show me an insult I posted. If I did, I will apologize. Again, a little proof please. Just because you take the words I type personally does not mean they are an attack. You are taking this too seriuously.
Game sales are up for consoles in 2003 and down for PC games. Read the exceprt I posted. Console sales are up .3 billion, and PC games are down .2 billion.
Again, show me personal attacks. You have used words like idiot in your posts. I have never... You have resorted to insults because you are losing the debate and it is getting under your skin. Relax.
I have listed why it is better. Have you read the thread? I am not going to repeat stuff I have posted previously in this thread. You keep saying I made personal attacks. Where??? Youa re just saying it, because i said it. problem is, I am right. You did throw insults. I did not. You have not insulted me though, as I just ignore posts like that from people who cannot win their debate with debate.
Gay... LOL. I have not posted that word.
Here, I have given you proof. Now show me proof that my side of the argument is wrong. The sales figures don't lie. Console sales increasing. PC sales decreasing.
Topic of the thread, "The future of gaming is console not PC". The sales figures prove it.
Don't be shocked byt he numbers either. Console sales 4 times more, almost 5.
I will continue to ignore your insults, keep throwing them. But try to post some substance or facts this time around.
You can read all of my posts. I am making a contribution here. I post intelligible posts, I help people when I can, and have been a contructive member of the site.
Your 30 posts in a year just show that you are not a contributor, just a watcher (lurker). Or you just don't visit often. Which is fine. Nothing wrong with that. Again, you are trying for personal attacks. The debate is Console vs. PC, not who is a better person or who can call the other person the worst (best?) name.