Give it up. You've been shown up. Your arguments are false, your claims are bullshit, and anyone with more than 2 brain cells can see you're nothing more than a sad little troll trying to make up every excuse he can to bash Vanguard.
Every time someone calls you on the claims you make, you switch topics to an even weaker argument. You have no credibility, everyone knows you're a troll. Just shut up already, we don't need to hear your petty ramblings anymore.
Cry all you want, just don't waste our time in boards for a game we like, pretending like you have anything factual to say.
(Btw I love how you took 12 servers and magically made them 7)
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Its funny ... the more the fanbois drone on and on about how this or that game is the second coming.. the more I DON'T want to play said game...
Honestly I had no opinion of Vanguard... but after reading the rabid responses by people "defending" the game.. makes me realize I don't want to waste my time or money on it.. (shrugs)
I believe to each his own.. if you enjoy vanguard enjoy it.. the more you defend it .. the more you really show it has flaws and is probably closer to the game the "trolls" are saying... If a game can not speak for itself and you have to shout out its praise from the highest mountain.. claiming everyone who says anything bad about it is a liar or a troll.. chances are its not really that great..
So I would like to thank the fanbois for saving me money
Its funny ... the more the fanbois drone on and on about how this or that game is the second coming.. the more I DON'T want to play said game... Honestly I had no opinion of Vanguard... but after reading the rabid responses by people "defending" the game.. makes me realize I don't want to waste my time or money on it.. (shrugs) I believe to each his own.. if you enjoy vanguard enjoy it.. the more you defend it .. the more you really show it has flaws and is probably closer to the game the "trolls" are saying... If a game can not speak for itself and you have to shout out its praise from the highest mountain.. claiming everyone who says anything bad about it is a liar or a troll.. chances are its not really that great.. So I would like to thank the fanbois for saving me money
Just stay away from all mmo's and save yourself some money. The communities are very similar in every mmo, you will always find the fanbois defending their mmo game.
Honestly, im not the kind of guy who talks a game up on the forums but I was scanning through and saw this thread.. I believe that Vanguard COULD, be the second comming, i miss the Everquest days, i MISS the style the first generation MMORPGS had, not this new stuff that has come out lately. And, if anyone can do it, the makers of Vanguard can. I however, feel that them getting into bed with SOE was a bad mistake, just like Turbine getting involved with Microsoft. Im sorry, huge companies who answer to shareholders, have no buisness in the MMORPG market.
Killjoy, there's a small flaw in the way you're looking at the situation though.
Is the game perfect? Absolutely not. There are things about the game that I gripe about too. (Where's my inquisitor class dammit?) In point of fact, I never really started posting on the Vanguard boards until i came here and saw all the baseless bashing of the game that people were doing.
Tell me this Killjoy, if there's a game you like and you aren't posting how great it is etc like you suggest we do, what should we do if we drop by the boards where we normally have decent conversations, and there are threads bashing the game for no good reasons? What do you do if there's a really great game but a few people are being trolls and bashing the game? If you saw a game that nobody was defending, would you think it was good?
I have no problem with people saying they don't like things about the game. Maybe you don't like the style of the graphics, or maybe you don't like the way it runs on your machine. Maybe you just don't like fantasy games. Whatever. My problem is with people who come on the boards and bash the game with lies and half-truths. Trolls like jackdog will run around looking for flaws, and then try to pass them off as the entirety of the game. They make up numbers to try and make the game look bad. They will do everything they can to try and attack the game, for some unknown reason.
What do you do about that? Let them ruin the reputation of a game you enjoy?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
The secret to enjoying your mmo of choice is , Dont read the forums lol and the above poster is exactly right the game is been bashed by people with a hard on for SOE and has nothing to do with vanguard
EQ2 is over 2 years old. Try running R6:Vegas, Armed Assault et al and get back to me. Next gen games require next gen PCs. That's it, thats all!
Ehmm..EQ2 is 2 years old yes...Besides those 2 games you mentioned are standard Single/multiplayer games, yet still EQ2 has (In some areas) the best graphics by far than any other MMORPG I played..In some areas VG is tad bit better, but overall EQ2 is still at the Throne
And Ohh,,If you mind, what does look better, R6, Vegas or Vanguard..? lol
EQ2 is over 2 years old. Try running R6:Vegas, Armed Assault et al and get back to me. Next gen games require next gen PCs. That's it, thats all!
Ehmm..EQ2 is 2 years old yes...Besides those 2 games you mentioned are standard Single/multiplayer games, yet still EQ2 has (In some areas) the best graphics by far than any other MMORPG I played..In some areas VG is tad bit better, but overall EQ2 is still at the Throne And Ohh,,If you mind, what does look better, R6, Vegas or Vanguard..? lol Vanguard is ugly, Im sorry.. /Thark
Aahw... you troll you... you... you!! Nah.
But seriously, I'm an avid EQ2 - player (and SWG, fancy that!). I have to say VG bashes everything (speaking mmorpg now) gfx-wise. Not everywhere though, which is an issue; some sites look awful, while some sites look great. Unfortuantly, the ones that look great - in order to look great - requires one h**l of a machine. They do. Seriously. The Friday patch did make life better, but hardly great! I still experience freezes, blackouts and yes, even crashes, that I can only relate to high level gfx environments. I hope they can fix that, or give us hardware specs requirements that saves us from a lot of disappointed customers. I might have some issues with the art concept - them cartoony chars aren't really my favorite idea, but the world (in some places 8most places?)) looks stunning.
Still, it is in concept the game has real potential, i.m.o. The quests are actually more innovative than I had expected. If they manage to integrate the diplomacy sphere in such a way that it expands tooperative play between different players with different player styles and if crafting is served in such a way that it does the same for those players... it could be fantastic. With enhanced skills and classes, the size of the game engine will evolve to meet the size of the world itself.
SOE? Yeah, I remember what they did to SWG and EQ2. I am worried what it might mean in the long run, but hopefully Sigil finances and produces this game more on their own than on SoE leashes. The bigger and more complex a game is, the more difficult it will be to balance, sustain and develop. In the end, I think that is waht killed SWG pre-NGE... SoE needed something easier to maintain and easier to package & sell. Hopefully Sigil can live up to the expectations and hopefully not too many people will be disapointed with Vanguard to start playing the game for real. No MMO is bigger than its playerbase and community.
I like VG, but I don't love it. I think it has great potential, but I still think it is too buggy to release; yes - even for a MMO! Still, it will most probably be my MMORPG of choice, replacing EQ2. Atleast for the time being. And I hope those of you that haven't tried the beta and are curious atleast try the thing! It is worth that. And if you aren't impressed with what you see at your starting point, try a different char on a different continent. It usually pays off. ;-)
Killjoy, there's a small flaw in the way you're looking at the situation though. Is the game perfect? Absolutely not. There are things about the game that I gripe about too. (Where's my inquisitor class dammit?) In point of fact, I never really started posting on the Vanguard boards until i came here and saw all the baseless bashing of the game that people were doing. Tell me this Killjoy, if there's a game you like and you aren't posting how great it is etc like you suggest we do, what should we do if we drop by the boards where we normally have decent conversations, and there are threads bashing the game for no good reasons? What do you do if there's a really great game but a few people are being trolls and bashing the game? If you saw a game that nobody was defending, would you think it was good? I have no problem with people saying they don't like things about the game. Maybe you don't like the style of the graphics, or maybe you don't like the way it runs on your machine. Maybe you just don't like fantasy games. Whatever. My problem is with people who come on the boards and bash the game with lies and half-truths. Trolls like jackdog will run around looking for flaws, and then try to pass them off as the entirety of the game. They make up numbers to try and make the game look bad. They will do everything they can to try and attack the game, for some unknown reason. What do you do about that? Let them ruin the reputation of a game you enjoy?
(A theorical version, I don't anything about actual problems)
Basher: The game crashes every 1.4 minutes! It sucks.
Good Response: Hmm. I get crashes (not a shot on the game, I just imagine it does in fact crash at times) but not that frequently. If you have an ATI card they were having problems with them. Theres some suggested fixes on the forum sigil/atifix.whatever.
or if you prefer
Response: You have never said anything good or truthful about this game. Face facts you don't like it, try something else.
What is actually responded around here: TROLL! It doesn't crash that often! You're just a WoW fanboi whos afraid that Vanguard will crush your kiddie game lol. Good, don't like it then I don't want you in my game.
There are always people who just don't like a game. Hell, I could go to any of the forums on the list and see a bad comment (if it's made up of more then 5 people anymore that is). The important thing is not make the community look like some fanatical cultists who flip right out on bad comments in the meantime because you'll keep other potential players away. Because really, if I'm in game and playing what's going to be the response if I have a problem, like (again, an example. I don't know anything about the game) "This map isn't very helpful. Is there a way to make it bigger/smaller/more detailed/whatever"? If it's anything like what is responded around here, it's nothing I'm going to pay money and give up my time to be a part of.
Sigil patches some bugs and the fanbois spin it like there has been some night to day transformation. Lmao. I think I am looking forward to release more than the people who are going to play this game. Let the market pass judgment. No more silly hype.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
was in beta a long time, just quit, so for me everything that ive said still goes
cant believe this shit is being released 2007, i think brad lives in under a rock and have been since eq1, they just figured it would be as easy to impress people as back then, also one of the worst beta's that i ever been in i would call it alpha and those that buy it will begin beta 1, its eq2 with updated graphic engine no more no less, good looking then ? NO models still suck ass as in any eq, ill give em the fact they got the eviroments pretty nice, but thats thanks to speedtree and hdr
NOT hard to guess why microsoft backed out, they dont jump ONTO sinking ships, they leave em to die
i just know that if i were the one with the funding cash id be very very nervous when seeing it i fear my mind would stray to "oh thats it pasta for the rest of my life in a 1 room apartment by the railroad"
EQ2 is over 2 years old. Try running R6:Vegas, Armed Assault et al and get back to me. Next gen games require next gen PCs. That's it, thats all!
Ehmm..EQ2 is 2 years old yes...Besides those 2 games you mentioned are standard Single/multiplayer games, yet still EQ2 has (In some areas) the best graphics by far than any other MMORPG I played..In some areas VG is tad bit better, but overall EQ2 is still at the Throne
And Ohh,,If you mind, what does look better, R6, Vegas or Vanguard..? lol
Vanguard is ugly, Im sorry..
/Thark
Aahw... you troll you... you... you!!
Nah.
But seriously, I'm an avid EQ2 - player (and SWG, fancy that!). I have to say VG bashes everything (speaking mmorpg now) gfx-wise. Not everywhere though, which is an issue; some sites look awful, while some sites look great. Unfortuantly, the ones that look great - in order to look great - requires one h**l of a machine. They do. Seriously. The Friday patch did make life better, but hardly great! I still experience freezes, blackouts and yes, even crashes, that I can only relate to high level gfx environments. I hope they can fix that, or give us hardware specs requirements that saves us from a lot of disappointed customers. I might have some issues with the art concept - them cartoony chars aren't really my favorite idea, but the world (in some places 8most places?)) looks stunning.
Still, it is in concept the game has real potential, i.m.o. The quests are actually more innovative than I had expected. If they manage to integrate the diplomacy sphere in such a way that it expands tooperative play between different players with different player styles and if crafting is served in such a way that it does the same for those players... it could be fantastic. With enhanced skills and classes, the size of the game engine will evolve to meet the size of the world itself.
SOE? Yeah, I remember what they did to SWG and EQ2. I am worried what it might mean in the long run, but hopefully Sigil finances and produces this game more on their own than on SoE leashes. The bigger and more complex a game is, the more difficult it will be to balance, sustain and develop. In the end, I think that is waht killed SWG pre-NGE... SoE needed something easier to maintain and easier to package & sell. Hopefully Sigil can live up to the expectations and hopefully not too many people will be disapointed with Vanguard to start playing the game for real. No MMO is bigger than its playerbase and community.
I like VG, but I don't love it. I think it has great potential, but I still think it is too buggy to release; yes - even for a MMO! Still, it will most probably be my MMORPG of choice, replacing EQ2. Atleast for the time being. And I hope those of you that haven't tried the beta and are curious atleast try the thing! It is worth that. And if you aren't impressed with what you see at your starting point, try a different char on a different continent. It usually pays off.
;-)
Thnx.
//Petter
Well, you can feel and think what you like, I still think EQ2 looks and feels better than Vanguard, and I have maybe tried 5 or so of the starting areas..
It's the whole picture that lowers the overall feel in Vanguard, but sure in some areas the wilderness is stunning in VG..but again in theoverall picture VG looses bigtime IMO..
Just take a look..This is EQ2 in one step over balanced compared to VG in one step over balanced, I think res is somewhere in the 1600x1200 area in both..And also to note In EQ2 I have fluid gamepley versus Vanguard that doesnt run that great yet...
I was really hoping that last big patch would fix some hitching/lag and chunk zoning issues. Needless to say I now experience a LOSS of about 5 fps across the board. I have had 5 ctd's since the patch, mobs that were completely invisible, warped away upon death, same disappearing into the ground, etc etc etc. This game is going to fail miserably I fear. It is as bad as Anarchy onlines alpha, closed beta, and open betas all in one. It is DnL in a SoE wrapping plain and simple. I cannot believe anyone would purchase and pay a monthly fee for this game. Contest all you want about supporting, it's playable, runs/looks great because you know damn well it isn't/doesn't. This game is so far from being playable on anything less than a top of the line computer and even they are having hitching and chunking issues. That my rabid Vanbois has nothing to do with the servers, it has to do with netcoding and the engine period.
Sure, they now added some voice overs... woohoo! What about broken quests, serious Mob issues mentioned above including pathing, broken abilities, severe lack of performance and optimization, class balance, stalled animations, combat loops, zoning issues that drop you off a mount, into first person veiw with the "breath" underwater ui popping, logging in to find you are part of a dock, skimming across the water like a speed boat while swimming, major lack of clothing/gear and character customization, need I go on? If you can say you have not experienced any or all of these issues with a straight face then you are one of the very rare.
My personal thoughts are if you really want to try this game, DO NOT SPEND THE CASH. It will be available as a FREE download within 6 months. There is no way they will retain a large enough subscription base in the games release condition. However, IF this game manages to survive for longer than that we might have a game worth playing for the long haul. The world is truly IMMENSE in size, so large you could combine 3 MMO's and not be as large it is very well thought out. The overall game design will be a pleasant welcoming IF they ever get it stable and polished. With that said, I wouldn't hold my breath there are enough upcoming releases to weigh in on.
The reason I will play this game is the grouping mechanics are freaking awesome. A regular melee ability that hits for 150 on my cleric was hitting for up to 650 in a group situattion if I used it with the right debuffs active. If you could get a group together that was co-ordinated very well you could do amazing things with the combat system. Also this pushes having 6 different classes in a group or having less classes but ones that can combo off of each other really well. Having say 3 bards, 2 clerics and a warrior is not optimal becuase of buffs AND the fact that you simply won't have the same options for openers. This will decrease your DPS significantly. Unless of course warriors can spam an ability that causes a weakness that bards can exploit.
I liked the game before but since being in a group and really getting to use this system (the healing classes just last patch got this feature added to abilities so on my shaman before I had no idea what was going on) I am probably going to go pre-order on monday or tuesday.
Yes there are bugs but group combat is so much fun I can handle them. If you haven't played around with this system you have no idea what you're talking about when you say "boring combat".
If they can fix as much stuff this week as last week it will be in pretty good shape for release (MMO wise). I personally do not think it's in any worse shape than WoW was on release and it's a hell of a lot more enjoyable at lower levels IMO.
Interesting post Karandor about dps. To me it sounds like they fluffed it up a bit to get subs. Wonder how long it will be before they bring out the nerf stick and 'balance' dps across the board ? My cleric's DPS still isn't amazing compared to a DPS class. Cleric styles have long cooldowns compared to other classes so I can do some nice burst but it's not like every swing I can do huge damage. It's the combinations of ALL characters combined that make good DPS. My cleric wasn't doing even close to the damage the bards and necro were doing but combined I was doing good DPS and they were doing amazing DPS.
That's what makes the game for me. Your DPS is dependant on every class getting in there and doing some damage in order to debuff. I see the best players really coordinating so that everytime a good ability's cooldown is up the required debuff is on the mob.
The healing classes need to get in and do damage in order to help the rest of the party do MORE damage. When the party split up to attack multiple mobs we had problems because damage just wasn't even close. Just because a cooldown is up on your hard hitting ability is up doesn't mean you should use it because if you wait for the right debuff it can do 3X damage.
Combat is a lot more than just spamming abilities. I bet that overall DPS doubles when everyone starts really playing smart instead of just spamming.
The party dynamic in this game is much better done than the EQ2 combo wheel and is infinitely better than anything in WoW.
There's no reason to nerf Clerics since their DPS isn't that great. Disciples do much more damage in melee and bloodmages and shaman can nuke much better than a cleric. Clerics have better buffing though and some nice tanking abilities. All healing classes heal very well. The other things they can do are very different though. Which seems to be the way they treat classes in VG. You need DPS and you take a DPS, whatever is available. Generally you want all different classes though just to maximize potential. There is no holy trinity in this game that you need in EVERY group.
If they change the combat system or nerfed healing classes ability to be usefull in combat I would drop the game in a second. For me it is a refreshing change. If it changes at high levels (though I don't see why it would) I'll probably also quit.
For the record this is something you really won't see until level 10-14. Levels 1-10 are to get you use to the world and controls and your basic style of fighting. At levels 10-14 they seem to basically double your amount of abilities and it gets much more interesting. I'm not sure this is particularly smart on their part (people may quit before then) but we'll see in a few days I guess.
Couple things I wanted to clear up for people. 1. The community, for the most part, is alot better than others. People are understandably defensive about their game, and occasionally if you make an unpopular comment in chat someone might say "go back to wow", but in general they're alot more helpful and tolerant than say, the other popular game well all compare everything with.
I disagree here, unless you take the Barren chat ( or the Blood Elf starting areas ) as a yard stick. In off times I indeed got helpful answers to my occasional questions, so I did in all other games I played, including the three-letter-one.
In peak times, yes, this includes the days after TBC launch, the two most common lines in general chat are:
"IT'S BETA" ( Yea..right. The magic patch is right around the corner. Special offer for you: only 50 bucks ! PM me and I'll send you the details. )
"STFU adn go bakc to ( insert three-letter-game here ) NOOOOB !!!1"
Doesn't pass as quality community to me, your mileage may vary though.
Sigil patches some bugs and the fanbois spin it like there has been some night to day transformation. Lmao. I think I am looking forward to release more than the people who are going to play this game. Let the market pass judgment. No more silly hype.
Agreed. I want it to release so we can see where it really stands.
Sigil patches some bugs and the fanbois spin it like there has been some night to day transformation. Lmao. I think I am looking forward to release more than the people who are going to play this game. Let the market pass judgment. No more silly hype.
Agreed. I want it to release so we can see where it really stands.
QFT
I am sick of hearing the " but it is still in beta" line.
Sigil patches some bugs and the fanbois spin it like there has been some night to day transformation. Lmao. I think I am looking forward to release more than the people who are going to play this game. Let the market pass judgment. No more silly hype.
Agreed. I want it to release so we can see where it really stands.
QFT
I am sick of hearing the " but it is still in beta" line.
*troll high five*
Must be a boring world for all 3 of you to come to a games forum that you don't like.
Anywho, Jackdog, you had said that your performance went down with the latest patch. I had thought that too until I realized the patch resets your video and client.ini settings. Be sure particularly that your texturedetailworld=5 (I had missed this on the first pass and seems to take about 10 fps if you have it on 0). This is just in case you care to play anymore. Peace out.
And Amathe, society truly has failed us when you are looking forward to a games release just so you can say "I told you so.". Aren't there any social programs in the city you live in?
I have been sitting all these bashings out for alot of reaseons
I realy thought they would delay the game another month minimum
I realy like the possabilities of this game
the game played great group and in the one dungeon i did
alot of other stuff buuuut
I just got off trying it again and its too buggy for me, tryed to cross a stream, lucklyt i was just trying to fix another bug, the one where you cant see names from center to right, and someone had pointed out that most grafix bugs can be fixed by alt tabbing.
well i enter the stream and the screen goes black, alt tab fixes soon as i move black screen repeate about 40 times , lucky i have a pet killing the mobs i'm agroiung while trying to find a piece of STREAM shore i can climb out on, only to finnaly warp about 10 min walk away, wierd arse buggs this big should be no where near a finnaly game
as of the peeps names, thats all names and the quest symbolys, etc its an always on bug for me alwqays had it
and nope alt tab doesnt fix, nor any of the grafix settings, i have spent 20 plus hours trying to fix it, rerported it in beta 2 3 4x2
these may seem like small things but imagene every char in front or to youre right you gotto stop or spinn around to see if there the one youre l;ooking for, quest, etc.
and these are but a tip of the iceburg of the bugs i saw today in 2-3 hours, i wasted enoughf time
all i wanted to say is if you do buy this expect all of bugs, bugs that get you killed, that are not on the know list, on list but never seem to make the patch, there is a /rope command to get you pulled out by other players... and please /bug the problem, so in like a year or 4 when' 50% of the crash death causeing rewaly annoying bugs are fixed, and i buy the game mabey ill find it playable finnaly
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Jack, you just keep digging deeper and deeper.
Give it up. You've been shown up. Your arguments are false, your claims are bullshit, and anyone with more than 2 brain cells can see you're nothing more than a sad little troll trying to make up every excuse he can to bash Vanguard.
Every time someone calls you on the claims you make, you switch topics to an even weaker argument. You have no credibility, everyone knows you're a troll. Just shut up already, we don't need to hear your petty ramblings anymore.
Cry all you want, just don't waste our time in boards for a game we like, pretending like you have anything factual to say.
(Btw I love how you took 12 servers and magically made them 7)
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Its funny ... the more the fanbois drone on and on about how this or that game is the second coming.. the more I DON'T want to play said game...
Honestly I had no opinion of Vanguard... but after reading the rabid responses by people "defending" the game.. makes me realize I don't want to waste my time or money on it.. (shrugs)
I believe to each his own.. if you enjoy vanguard enjoy it.. the more you defend it .. the more you really show it has flaws and is probably closer to the game the "trolls" are saying... If a game can not speak for itself and you have to shout out its praise from the highest mountain.. claiming everyone who says anything bad about it is a liar or a troll.. chances are its not really that great..
So I would like to thank the fanbois for saving me money
Just stay away from all mmo's and save yourself some money. The communities are very similar in every mmo, you will always find the fanbois defending their mmo game.
Killjoy, there's a small flaw in the way you're looking at the situation though.
Is the game perfect? Absolutely not. There are things about the game that I gripe about too. (Where's my inquisitor class dammit?) In point of fact, I never really started posting on the Vanguard boards until i came here and saw all the baseless bashing of the game that people were doing.
Tell me this Killjoy, if there's a game you like and you aren't posting how great it is etc like you suggest we do, what should we do if we drop by the boards where we normally have decent conversations, and there are threads bashing the game for no good reasons? What do you do if there's a really great game but a few people are being trolls and bashing the game? If you saw a game that nobody was defending, would you think it was good?
I have no problem with people saying they don't like things about the game. Maybe you don't like the style of the graphics, or maybe you don't like the way it runs on your machine. Maybe you just don't like fantasy games. Whatever. My problem is with people who come on the boards and bash the game with lies and half-truths. Trolls like jackdog will run around looking for flaws, and then try to pass them off as the entirety of the game. They make up numbers to try and make the game look bad. They will do everything they can to try and attack the game, for some unknown reason.
What do you do about that? Let them ruin the reputation of a game you enjoy?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Ehmm..EQ2 is 2 years old yes...Besides those 2 games you mentioned are standard Single/multiplayer games, yet still EQ2 has (In some areas) the best graphics by far than any other MMORPG I played..In some areas VG is tad bit better, but overall EQ2 is still at the Throne
And Ohh,,If you mind, what does look better, R6, Vegas or Vanguard..? lol
Vanguard is ugly, Im sorry..
/Thark
Aahw... you troll you... you... you!!
Nah.
But seriously, I'm an avid EQ2 - player (and SWG, fancy that!). I have to say VG bashes everything (speaking mmorpg now) gfx-wise. Not everywhere though, which is an issue; some sites look awful, while some sites look great. Unfortuantly, the ones that look great - in order to look great - requires one h**l of a machine. They do. Seriously. The Friday patch did make life better, but hardly great! I still experience freezes, blackouts and yes, even crashes, that I can only relate to high level gfx environments. I hope they can fix that, or give us hardware specs requirements that saves us from a lot of disappointed customers. I might have some issues with the art concept - them cartoony chars aren't really my favorite idea, but the world (in some places 8most places?)) looks stunning.
Still, it is in concept the game has real potential, i.m.o. The quests are actually more innovative than I had expected. If they manage to integrate the diplomacy sphere in such a way that it expands tooperative play between different players with different player styles and if crafting is served in such a way that it does the same for those players... it could be fantastic. With enhanced skills and classes, the size of the game engine will evolve to meet the size of the world itself.
SOE? Yeah, I remember what they did to SWG and EQ2. I am worried what it might mean in the long run, but hopefully Sigil finances and produces this game more on their own than on SoE leashes. The bigger and more complex a game is, the more difficult it will be to balance, sustain and develop. In the end, I think that is waht killed SWG pre-NGE... SoE needed something easier to maintain and easier to package & sell. Hopefully Sigil can live up to the expectations and hopefully not too many people will be disapointed with Vanguard to start playing the game for real. No MMO is bigger than its playerbase and community.
I like VG, but I don't love it. I think it has great potential, but I still think it is too buggy to release; yes - even for a MMO! Still, it will most probably be my MMORPG of choice, replacing EQ2. Atleast for the time being. And I hope those of you that haven't tried the beta and are curious atleast try the thing! It is worth that. And if you aren't impressed with what you see at your starting point, try a different char on a different continent. It usually pays off.
;-)
Thnx.
//Petter
(A theorical version, I don't anything about actual problems)
Basher: The game crashes every 1.4 minutes! It sucks.
Good Response: Hmm. I get crashes (not a shot on the game, I just imagine it does in fact crash at times) but not that frequently. If you have an ATI card they were having problems with them. Theres some suggested fixes on the forum sigil/atifix.whatever.
or if you prefer
Response: You have never said anything good or truthful about this game. Face facts you don't like it, try something else.
What is actually responded around here: TROLL! It doesn't crash that often! You're just a WoW fanboi whos afraid that Vanguard will crush your kiddie game lol. Good, don't like it then I don't want you in my game.
There are always people who just don't like a game. Hell, I could go to any of the forums on the list and see a bad comment (if it's made up of more then 5 people anymore that is). The important thing is not make the community look like some fanatical cultists who flip right out on bad comments in the meantime because you'll keep other potential players away. Because really, if I'm in game and playing what's going to be the response if I have a problem, like (again, an example. I don't know anything about the game) "This map isn't very helpful. Is there a way to make it bigger/smaller/more detailed/whatever"? If it's anything like what is responded around here, it's nothing I'm going to pay money and give up my time to be a part of.
Sigil patches some bugs and the fanbois spin it like there has been some night to day transformation. Lmao. I think I am looking forward to release more than the people who are going to play this game. Let the market pass judgment. No more silly hype.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
was in beta a long time, just quit, so for me everything that ive said still goes
cant believe this shit is being released 2007, i think brad lives in under a rock and have been since eq1, they just figured it would be as easy to impress people as back then, also one of the worst beta's that i ever been in i would call it alpha and those that buy it will begin beta 1, its eq2 with updated graphic engine no more no less, good looking then ? NO models still suck ass as in any eq, ill give em the fact they got the eviroments pretty nice, but thats thanks to speedtree and hdr
NOT hard to guess why microsoft backed out, they dont jump ONTO sinking ships, they leave em to die
i just know that if i were the one with the funding cash id be very very nervous when seeing it i fear my mind would stray to "oh thats it pasta for the rest of my life in a 1 room apartment by the railroad"
Ehmm..EQ2 is 2 years old yes...Besides those 2 games you mentioned are standard Single/multiplayer games, yet still EQ2 has (In some areas) the best graphics by far than any other MMORPG I played..In some areas VG is tad bit better, but overall EQ2 is still at the Throne
And Ohh,,If you mind, what does look better, R6, Vegas or Vanguard..? lol
Vanguard is ugly, Im sorry..
/Thark
Aahw... you troll you... you... you!!
Nah.
But seriously, I'm an avid EQ2 - player (and SWG, fancy that!). I have to say VG bashes everything (speaking mmorpg now) gfx-wise. Not everywhere though, which is an issue; some sites look awful, while some sites look great. Unfortuantly, the ones that look great - in order to look great - requires one h**l of a machine. They do. Seriously. The Friday patch did make life better, but hardly great! I still experience freezes, blackouts and yes, even crashes, that I can only relate to high level gfx environments. I hope they can fix that, or give us hardware specs requirements that saves us from a lot of disappointed customers. I might have some issues with the art concept - them cartoony chars aren't really my favorite idea, but the world (in some places 8most places?)) looks stunning.
Still, it is in concept the game has real potential, i.m.o. The quests are actually more innovative than I had expected. If they manage to integrate the diplomacy sphere in such a way that it expands tooperative play between different players with different player styles and if crafting is served in such a way that it does the same for those players... it could be fantastic. With enhanced skills and classes, the size of the game engine will evolve to meet the size of the world itself.
SOE? Yeah, I remember what they did to SWG and EQ2. I am worried what it might mean in the long run, but hopefully Sigil finances and produces this game more on their own than on SoE leashes. The bigger and more complex a game is, the more difficult it will be to balance, sustain and develop. In the end, I think that is waht killed SWG pre-NGE... SoE needed something easier to maintain and easier to package & sell. Hopefully Sigil can live up to the expectations and hopefully not too many people will be disapointed with Vanguard to start playing the game for real. No MMO is bigger than its playerbase and community.
I like VG, but I don't love it. I think it has great potential, but I still think it is too buggy to release; yes - even for a MMO! Still, it will most probably be my MMORPG of choice, replacing EQ2. Atleast for the time being. And I hope those of you that haven't tried the beta and are curious atleast try the thing! It is worth that. And if you aren't impressed with what you see at your starting point, try a different char on a different continent. It usually pays off.
;-)
Thnx.
//Petter
Well, you can feel and think what you like, I still think EQ2 looks and feels better than Vanguard, and I have maybe tried 5 or so of the starting areas..
It's the whole picture that lowers the overall feel in Vanguard, but sure in some areas the wilderness is stunning in VG..but again in theoverall picture VG looses bigtime IMO..
Just take a look..This is EQ2 in one step over balanced compared to VG in one step over balanced, I think res is somewhere in the 1600x1200 area in both..And also to note In EQ2 I have fluid gamepley versus Vanguard that doesnt run that great yet...
"what do the haters have to say NOW?"
i'm having a lot of fun playing WoW TBC is what I'm saying
enjoy another fun SOE launch
Sure, they now added some voice overs... woohoo! What about broken quests, serious Mob issues mentioned above including pathing, broken abilities, severe lack of performance and optimization, class balance, stalled animations, combat loops, zoning issues that drop you off a mount, into first person veiw with the "breath" underwater ui popping, logging in to find you are part of a dock, skimming across the water like a speed boat while swimming, major lack of clothing/gear and character customization, need I go on? If you can say you have not experienced any or all of these issues with a straight face then you are one of the very rare.
My personal thoughts are if you really want to try this game, DO NOT SPEND THE CASH. It will be available as a FREE download within 6 months. There is no way they will retain a large enough subscription base in the games release condition. However, IF this game manages to survive for longer than that we might have a game worth playing for the long haul. The world is truly IMMENSE in size, so large you could combine 3 MMO's and not be as large it is very well thought out. The overall game design will be a pleasant welcoming IF they ever get it stable and polished. With that said, I wouldn't hold my breath there are enough upcoming releases to weigh in on.
Q:"What do the haters have to say NOW?"
A: Wait 3 months before you buy this game.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
That's what makes the game for me. Your DPS is dependant on every class getting in there and doing some damage in order to debuff. I see the best players really coordinating so that everytime a good ability's cooldown is up the required debuff is on the mob.
The healing classes need to get in and do damage in order to help the rest of the party do MORE damage. When the party split up to attack multiple mobs we had problems because damage just wasn't even close. Just because a cooldown is up on your hard hitting ability is up doesn't mean you should use it because if you wait for the right debuff it can do 3X damage.
Combat is a lot more than just spamming abilities. I bet that overall DPS doubles when everyone starts really playing smart instead of just spamming.
The party dynamic in this game is much better done than the EQ2 combo wheel and is infinitely better than anything in WoW.
There's no reason to nerf Clerics since their DPS isn't that great. Disciples do much more damage in melee and bloodmages and shaman can nuke much better than a cleric. Clerics have better buffing though and some nice tanking abilities. All healing classes heal very well. The other things they can do are very different though. Which seems to be the way they treat classes in VG. You need DPS and you take a DPS, whatever is available. Generally you want all different classes though just to maximize potential. There is no holy trinity in this game that you need in EVERY group.
If they change the combat system or nerfed healing classes ability to be usefull in combat I would drop the game in a second. For me it is a refreshing change. If it changes at high levels (though I don't see why it would) I'll probably also quit.
For the record this is something you really won't see until level 10-14. Levels 1-10 are to get you use to the world and controls and your basic style of fighting. At levels 10-14 they seem to basically double your amount of abilities and it gets much more interesting. I'm not sure this is particularly smart on their part (people may quit before then) but we'll see in a few days I guess.
I disagree here, unless you take the Barren chat ( or the Blood Elf starting areas ) as a yard stick. In off times I indeed got helpful answers to my occasional questions, so I did in all other games I played, including the three-letter-one.
In peak times, yes, this includes the days after TBC launch, the two most common lines in general chat are:
"IT'S BETA" ( Yea..right. The magic patch is right around the corner. Special offer for you: only 50 bucks ! PM me and I'll send you the details. )
"STFU adn go bakc to ( insert three-letter-game here ) NOOOOB !!!1"
Doesn't pass as quality community to me, your mileage may vary though.
( edited for poor opera formating )
I'm not a hater but I am a very jaded gamer.
What do I have to say? I say wait at least 6 months to a year to buy the game. Maybe then all the promised content and features will be in.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Agreed. I want it to release so we can see where it really stands.
Agreed. I want it to release so we can see where it really stands.
QFT
I am sick of hearing the " but it is still in beta" line.
I miss DAoC
Agreed. I want it to release so we can see where it really stands.
QFT
I am sick of hearing the " but it is still in beta" line.
*troll high five*
Must be a boring world for all 3 of you to come to a games forum that you don't like.
Anywho, Jackdog, you had said that your performance went down with the latest patch. I had thought that too until I realized the patch resets your video and client.ini settings. Be sure particularly that your texturedetailworld=5 (I had missed this on the first pass and seems to take about 10 fps if you have it on 0). This is just in case you care to play anymore. Peace out.
And Amathe, society truly has failed us when you are looking forward to a games release just so you can say "I told you so.". Aren't there any social programs in the city you live in?
I have been sitting all these bashings out for alot of reaseons
I realy thought they would delay the game another month minimum
I realy like the possabilities of this game
the game played great group and in the one dungeon i did
alot of other stuff buuuut
I just got off trying it again and its too buggy for me, tryed to cross a stream, lucklyt i was just trying to fix another bug, the one where you cant see names from center to right, and someone had pointed out that most grafix bugs can be fixed by alt tabbing.
well i enter the stream and the screen goes black, alt tab fixes soon as i move black screen repeate about 40 times , lucky i have a pet killing the mobs i'm agroiung while trying to find a piece of STREAM shore i can climb out on, only to finnaly warp about 10 min walk away, wierd arse buggs this big should be no where near a finnaly game
as of the peeps names, thats all names and the quest symbolys, etc its an always on bug for me alwqays had it
and nope alt tab doesnt fix, nor any of the grafix settings, i have spent 20 plus hours trying to fix it, rerported it in beta 2 3 4x2
these may seem like small things but imagene every char in front or to youre right you gotto stop or spinn around to see if there the one youre l;ooking for, quest, etc.
and these are but a tip of the iceburg of the bugs i saw today in 2-3 hours, i wasted enoughf time
all i wanted to say is if you do buy this expect all of bugs, bugs that get you killed, that are not on the know list, on list but never seem to make the patch, there is a /rope command to get you pulled out by other players... and please /bug the problem, so in like a year or 4 when' 50% of the crash death causeing rewaly annoying bugs are fixed, and i buy the game mabey ill find it playable finnaly