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Why people are leaving (no lies either)
rwgober92
Member Posts: 94
I spent all last night and some of this morning looking around the .net and seeing what people where dissing Vanguard about...and its obvious and the reason that this game is considered to be 'dying'
Its because the game is for hardcore players only and not for the everyday player...Because, and yes im using WoW as comparison, if you play WoW and get to level 30 then you feel happy because your halfway through the game...yet, in the same amount of time, I have just gotten to level 11 in Vanguard and yet I feel even better about it because of the dedication and how good of a player you really are. The people who are bashing Vanguard for LOTRO and WoW dont want a challenge. They want to go in, play a couple hours, and then be on top with all of the other 'hardcore n00bs' thinking they are great and all....Either that or they are people who can only play an hour or less a day and, again, want to be on top with everyone else instead of working their way up.
This results in our Vanguard boards getting filled with 'Vanguard Sucks' and 'Sorry Brad' threads....I also found something else interesting...Have you (and Im talking to my hardcore brothers here) ever noticed that in WoW you run into a majority of players with bad attitudes that steal loot and that you just cant stand? Now, take that, and look in your time with vangaurd....everyone that i have met have been awsome. They quest with you, grind with you, help you out item wise if they are a higher level and do whatever they can to be friendly. That my friends is what makes a good MMO and what makes my time with an online game worth the $15 i pay every month
My point:
Its impossible to fake yourself in Vanguard...either your hardcore or your not...yet in WoW and LOTRO you can be considered '1337' for less than a week of total play (and maybe even less)....That and the community is the best out there, you will find no better (in-game)
Prove me wrong and I will gladly praise your game of choice...because you know what? I'm not wrong, and anyone who has played knows that
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I dont know have not those 'leavers' already left the game? There was a graph floating around on this forum show a major drop in population on the servers, after that date you saw it to be more constant. In my opinion or what to say, playing on infineum low pop EU, I think the population is same average this month 1½. It could be 500 on the morning today and in the evening it is 900 or so. Tomorrow it can be medium blah blah. So players dropping of one by one is rather old news. atleast considered to Vanguard lifetime.
I have to regurarly wait or join groups as there are to many people at the questmobs. I never had problem finding group to example KE. I see same guys inguild and actually a few new one /week and some are leaving guild (by them self).
The friend list, is randomly online and have by far outleveled me.
So those I leave poster are the same attention seekers, drama queens, you seen in previous mmo's. And my guess is that some of them even didn't pick up VG. Vanguard is easly trollable.
Ofc some people have right, some are just following the bandwagon.
EDIT: No I didnt answer why people are leaving I was questioning the question.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
The reason why I left the game is because I started to get annoyed with the character animations. Yes, I'm serious
So far I have been able to keep up with friends I have made in-game so far...and the population is not like it was in WoW by any means but on the Flamehammer server there are more than enough people to group with and have fun with on all times of the day...like i said, its more or less a filtered world with mostly great players
Which animations? There are to many in the game to know which ones you mean
Which animations? There are to many in the game to know which ones you mean
All of them, to be honest. Except the mount animations. They are very well done.
I have to admit, this isnt exactly true. I have a medium-end system, so I had to notch-down a lot graphically to make it playable (Though I tried to keep animation quality high). The fact that everything walked / ran/ fought like a handpuppet just tipped me over. I actually got sick of watching my dwarf run about, doing his things.
Thanks, come back and try again later!
People don't leave because it's "dying" .. it's dying because people have already left. They leave because it's not fun for whatever reason.
NIber's logic destroys you!
Yes, you are correct. Anyone who dislikes the game is a newb who wants to play in easy mode.... oh wait, Brad was compelled to post an open apology over the sorry state of VG.... there goes that argument. This game is failing because of one man's ego and business decisions that were downright retarded. Meant for hardcore players.... yeah, right.
Have you guys even played the game? It is for hardcore gamers, no matter what Brad said...Everyone knows he isnt the brightest guy in the buisness
Yeah, right. I left because I'm just too soft. I guess those 3 years in EQ turned me into a noob.
You're wrong. Period. Most people have left because a) the game is bad, and b) the community is full of elitist idiots. I personally left for a few reasons: Outside of the wood elf city, the game looks like ass. The animations are terrible. The lore was written and determined by a very slow 3rd grader, apparently. Combat and crafting are painful, slow timesinks. Diplomacy is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And to top it all off, the engine is a complete pile of filth.
Vanguard does nothing new, and aside from playing Go Fish with a mannequin, has nothing to offer that half a dozen or more other games don't do much, much better.
Now- toddle off and be hardcore in your empty, boring, broken game, OK? Have fun.
Bite me, Turbine.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
This guys said it best...i left for the same reason....weak game...seeya you all in lotro haha
Hardcore vs Casual has nothing to do with the failure of Vanguard.
There are very successful hardcore games . . like Lineage 2, as well as successful casual games like World of Warcraft.
I have played Lineage 2 for a long time. While it is hardcore, it is also very intense . . . you never know what you're gonna have to deal with when you leave town. PvP in Lineage 2 is quite an adrenaline rush. Also, the way they set up clans/alliances actually means somthing. Politics are a huge part of the game. All these things combined . . . for me . . added up to a lot of fun.
World of Warcraft is certainly more causual than Lineage 2. Still, there are things that make this game interesting. This is one of the few games that actually make the game fun at lower levels. PvP is interesting. Quests are numerous. Drops are plentiful. There are many different armor/weapon combinations. The professions are well presented and easy to do. I can log into the game and have fun, whether I have all day to play . .or only a half hour before work.
Notice the ONE word that I used in my descriptions of both games? The word is: FUN.
This is the biggest thing holding back the success of Vanguard. Even if there were not performance issues. Even if all the bugs were worked out. Even if the content was filled in. Even if the "potential" was reached. . . Vanguard likely would not be any fun. That's the problem. The game is not fun.
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The reason Brad is trying to downplay, or backpeddle on the hardcore idea is because the people who think of themselves as hardcore are such a minority that they can't keep a game afloat.
All 1500 or so of the hardcore crowd don't pay the bills, thats why games have dropped that model. Its simple supply/demand and catering to as many people as possible because subscribers = money to pay the bills. You don't spend 30+ million dollars and 5 years making a game to appeal to out of date, unpopular systems that the majority of players don't care for anymore.
And when someone brings up the "prove that casuals are the majority" argument, simple, if "hardcores" were then you'd see games that cater to that crowd be successful, would'nt you? Nope, developers are moving away from that model because it don't fly anymore. Its called demographics.
Vanguard is probably going to be ok, but people have to realize that having to spend hours and hours everyday to get any progress isn't hardcore, its just a hardcore grind, annoying, boring, and unpopular.
EDIT: as the poster above me said, L2 is popular, but i'm speaking of the North American market of players.
The fact that the OP thinks that getting to level 30 in WowWin a week means you are "hardcore" and "l33t" discredits him beyond anything I could ever say. But he is right about one thing. The target audience for Vanguard was always people who think they are hardcore, which of course is a far different thing than being hardcore. But as the market has shown, there aren't enough of those people to support the game.
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I'm constantly hearing that Vanguard is for hardcore players -I play the game (current subscriber)- but a lot of people fail to mention why, other than a leveling difference between WoW. But uh, to answer your question people are leaving, because of bugs and low population, simple as that. Look on fanmade Vanguard sites, you're most likely to find a "Top Ten bug list" for a couple of the archetypes and another bug list for the game in general. Thats why I think this game is dying, not because its "too difficult" or too hardcore, but because of its problems and people don't have the patience to wait for them to be fix.
You mean even if they 'fix' the game to suit your need, whatever it is. You will define it as booring. Even if they do this I say I rather like that. And if they change I'll say I like this.
It would have been shorter to say I refuse to like the game nomatter what, and thus being honest on your position.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
The crowd that is causing problems now will be gone soon. You'll see them start falling off the map as the levels even out for the players that want to play the game. You've all seen them in various games. The guys that camps the zone in EQ pvp or the guys who city camp in L2. Enough people, that want to continue the game, will get fed up with them and make their gaming experience a living hell where they can't even log in without getting pummelled by superior numbers.
The game was just released in January, so the real clue as to whether it will or will not survive is coming very soon, usually around the 6 month mark. You'll start seeing posts about how Xx|33+xX guild is leaving because they "dominated" the server they were on, when in actuality, they only won vs characters and groups much lower level than them because they had some knowledge of the game, usually from beta experience.
As to the original poster's comment, MMO's today are flooded with the fragfest quakers/halflifers due to the fact that there have not been a whole lot of FPS games on the market. They are not used to dealing with something long term and expect immediate gratification from their playtime. Therefore it is to be expected that if someone releases a game, like WoW, where you can max level in less than 2 weeks, those people are gonna jump on it. Those same people will be bitching about the game being boring in 3 to 4 months and the server population will die down to the diehard fans.
Vanguards reason for going down has nothing to do with it being "hardcore".
This word "hardcore" is so overly used and so overrated by some people in the gaming world. Vanguard went down due to it not being complete. It's over abundance of bugs and it's requirement of high tech computers which even with them the game still ran afoul. Many other different reasons all took part in VG being left behind by the gaming population. Being Hardcore or not had nothing to do with it.
I left because I didn't like the character design, animations as well.
What I got was:
No or stupid animations
Next to no /emote sounds/animations
Stupified crafting
Card-game 'diplomacy'
Big ass world not populated with anything
Travel times and routs that were just retarded
Boring ass environments
No collective areas for the populations to gather
but most of all..
They began down the path of making the game dumbed down for the "omg iv been plyn 4 3 hours & i'm not 50 yet!!!" MO-Tards.
That's why I /q