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You got me all wrong though. Playing games does not mean you have no life, does not make you a nerd, but there are things that do. Thats not what i was getting at though.
When i said, spending countless hours BECAUSE most people are clawing their way through the game desperately trying to find the fun and get disappointed. On top of that wasting money.
When someone tries a game for the first time they are going to play a very long time so they get a feel for the game, like i did. Some will get turned off from the very get go, and some who have no life play it even if they don't like it, the ones that have no life because they have nothing to do and in their utter boredom they come and play a game for a distraction till something bigger comes out.
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So please don't make assumptions that i consider you to have no life because you play a game, thats not what i was saying.
Phew.. such a long post to read.
Anyway... just thought I'd tell you that I completely and totally disagree with every single point you made. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to post why I disagree with each of your points, nor do I even care to try and persuade others that your views are biased, baseless, innacurate and just plain wrong, IMHO. That would be an exercise in futility.
So have fun waiting for your perfect online game. Meanwhile, I'll be having a great deal of fun playing LOTRO - probably the best online game I've played since the early days of UO and EQ - but for entirely different reasons. Sorry I don't fit into that pigeonhole of what you think gamers are wanting to play, because right now, I just want to play LOTRO.
Thanks for the well-constructed, amusing read.
*chuckle*
You're most welcome.
nah i wasn't assuming, juvante merely elaborating the point more widely so that everyone has a firm understanding. because some people will misinterpret such a phrasing of "no life" with games especially "MMO's"
but either way you made some rather logical points when it comes to LOTRO as anew game, and the hype involved. I can feel your pain as I went through this issue with vanguard, MXO, and numerous other MMOS that had the Hype machine going full tilt, so I cant knock you for being a bit perturbed,frustrated, and otherwise a bit annoyed.
i think for some people, they buy a game thinking one thing or expecting/anticipating a certain level of fun, and when they get into the game and it doesnt deliver, that initial "high" , that joyful feeling plummets and creates a void, immediate withdrawal shall we say. strangely enough the "high" you get isnt too far from the sort "high" you get from a drug.
I think its healthy to form and vent ones opinion to be heard, to have a soapbox as long as its explained/posted in a manner that is 1 understandable and coherent, and 2 is not flame bait. your opinions were expressed by what you felt was lacking to you, and thats understandable. i dont think anyone should be bashed, but there was times here and there that certain areas of your post could of been constructed better. but then again i have yet to come across a post that isnt flame bait from one time or another whether on purpose or inadvertantly.
It is too bad that you didnt get fun out the game. However, id say give it time, let it mature, let several updates comes through, then give it another go. But one thingyou cant deny, is this game is by far a hell of lot more stable, far more engaging compared to VSOh disaster and numerous MMOS that came out in the last 3-4 years. I myself will admit i should stucked to my guns (given i played the beta) and not purchase VSOH but we gotta reflect and apply what we learned.
we all have one time or another made a purchase that we regret. god knows i have made quite a few. we all have played a game we thought was fun, and turned out to be bland toward the end, and offered no real reward nor incentive(WoW comes to mind). does that make us right? does that make us wrong? no, everyone has a view of the world in which they interpret. we all have likes and dislikes that vary from one person to the other.
this game LOTRO is by any view, a game that is likeable based on your perspective, your view. and as such will be liked and or disliked based on the individual. that carries into every game, every activity. not just games. but i do think despite its shortcomings, this game is offers far more than most MMO;s and is accessible on a 'casual" level of play and still accomplish something. and this is highly important in our fast paced world where we are always working, doing something, and just want to sit down for 30 min to an hour and still have fun and get a good item/loot or do a nice quest. sort of "put ya feet up for a few" mentality.
I think casual play is the new progression of MMO's i think any MMO's that can cater to both the casual and hardcore raid group is in a good position to make good sales. but just remember like any new thing, or trend. it takes a while to break it in. I hope in the coming months you can come back and take a fresh look and see whether or not it has changed for the better. just remmeber though, in any MMO no matter what it is, there is always going to be boring dry moments that you feel like bleh! i dont wanan do this. but if the entire game as a whole doesnt wet ya whistle, then yeah it is in your best interest to up and move on.
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<mod edit> all this is is someones well thought out opinion about a game. why dont you read all of it? it isnt all about hate he actually says some good things about this game. the whole point was to give you guys a good review of the game. his opinion is that you shouldnt buy it. get over it its a free country he can not like a game if he wants to.
secondly no matter what there will be people who like a game and others who dont. no matter how perfect one game can be someone will not like it. it is inevitable. just accept it. final fantasy 7 is like one of the greatest games of all time in my opinion but my friend a few houses down didnt like it. and this doesnt apply to just game this applys to anything. sports, movies, tv shows, anything you can think of some people will like it and others wont. this friend of mine also doesnt like football. in fact he hates it. he thinks everyone who watches it are mindless idiots. i like football its the best sport in my opinion. i played it in high school and loved it. except for my senior year but i wont get into details lol.
my point is get over it. quit wastin your time arguin with someones opinion on a forum for that is what forums are for. or at least dont be jerks about it.
Had you said F you, you probably would have gotten away with it. Using derogatory terms referring to a persons gender, race, or sexuality is always a guaranteed way to get yourself a warning in the very least, a ban in the worst case. This is just a fact of every MMO.
I must say I have become even more impressed with the quality of LOTRO after hearing that you were banned after only 10 minutes of a report being made. When I finally tired of WoW, I logged on and stood in Stormwind hurling out racist, sexist and homophobic commentary at everyone in sight in the hopes of being banned. The game masters didn't do anything about it until 6 hours later. Even then they only gave me a warning after about a 30 minute tirade of highly derogatory abuse.
At any rate I am not normally a jerk of a player, I just did that because I wanted my account to be banned so I could never change my mind and return to WoW. I had to make up a ridiculously difficult password and forget what it was instead.
On the other hand, responding to "immature and rude" behavior by calling someone an idiot fag, shows that clearly you are projecting your own failings onto others. Bravo.
I'm glad you don't enjoy LOTRO as this means one less idiot will be ruining the game for the rest of us.
why is it when a person does a activity they enjoy have no life? does a person who plays countless hours playing football outside, or going to sports bar, or going to local casino? or going to chucky cheese lol
When you engage in a particular activity on a constant basis no matter what it is, does that constitute not having a life? people have a "life" as long as they socializing on some level, and MMO's though it is a activity that requires you to sit down while engaging in it, is one of the most social activities i can think of. hell you can have thousands upons thousands of people at a baseball game, or disney land and almost no one truly interacts, talk or engage with each other on some level, very rarely does this happen. MMO however you can talk to, discuss, debate, engage, interact group, or otherwise "socialize" with potentially hundrededs of people on a daily basis. I think there is a social stigma for most people who can't wrap their head around a activity that is not necessarily conisder the social norm. but that schanging soon.
I would define "having no life" as "having nothing in your life that is for you". Put another way, whats the point in being alive if you can't do what you enjoy? Who are you to say a person who spends alot of time playing an MMO has no life. That fact is that they are living their life. Just because its (maybe) different to the way you choose to live your life it doesn't make you somehow "superior".
Sure LOTRO brings nothing new, but its a nice version of something tried and true.
I thought this was the funnies part - "Oh and one more thing, i got into a fight with a bunch of very immature and rude people in monster play, and it got me so angry that i called them a bunch of idiots and fags..."
THEY were the immature ones????
You wanted a discussion about the game and asked that people argumented instead of just saying that you are wrong. Well, I think you are wrong on almost everything you said, and as I like arguments, I will try to explain why. Just to make it easier for people to compare our viewpoints, I have made my post based on yours, just with my opinions instead of yours. Enjoy!
((Some Gameplay Areas))
Ok, after having played from closed beta, i have to say its a awful good game. For a game to be in the making for 5 years means that it is not a clone of WoW because wow was released 2 years ago, so obviously it can't be a clone even though it does appear the same way in some of its UI and features. The gameplay is on the surface much the same as in WoW, you run from point A to point B, kill X amount of Y and get Z item or B item from the reward guy, but as you play it, you appreciate the stories that surround the quests. Turbine has really created some entertaining quests. It is something new, something interesting and exciting and not the same boring gameplay as WoW was.
I started off in the dwarf area and did quests non stop so it does provide you with tons of content and stuff to do, and the stuff is very fun to do! I've also tried all the other races out as well. Now, many will disagree with me about it being fun but i've tried grouping with people and going solo and either way its great fun. Not to mention the repeated comments of "Yeah, im having fun" from other players. I played wow and other RPG's and those games got incredibly redundant because they all felt the same. The same feeling of being dragged through the game trying to get to the fun part.
If you think being someones errand boy or having to kill 15 wolves, 15 spiders and then go kill 15 goblins, and then go kill another 15 goblins because you missed a quest npc, is fun, you are a very boring person, but luckily that is not all you do in this game. Some of the quests are interactive with the npcs doing things with you but not all of them. Some quests require you to search out certain landmarks which is very cool. Deeds and traits are a nice addition and they add a lot of strategy to the game as you can't equip very many even if you get to acquire a ton, so its nothing as boring as the WoW talent trees, not even close. Reason i use that example is because i know alot of people have played WoW and can relate to what im saying. The deeds and trait system are a great addition to this game.
The story line quests are decent, right from the beginning and start to get harder once you start doing lonelands. They do scale well and get more and more entertaning as you progress. Not to mention the incredible amount of mature players and helpful people, so trying to find good groups is really easy. Its a bit hard to find a minstrel since there is not too many people playing it and its the only main group healer, and a very good healer at that from my experience with other minstrels, they keep telling me they love the class, I will never reroll, you should try it, yada yada, etc.
Auction house system is identical to WoW. I am very skillful in using the auction house too so I sell lots of stuff there. Guess it differs for servers, but when i asked other people on my server out of many people i asked, only a few never used the auction house, and some used it a lot. Also, LOTRO has not been invaded by Gold farmers. They try, but Turbine/Codemasters are dedicated to stop them, and have done an excellent job so far.
Music system is a nice addition. People with or without musical skills can spend hours maing music, and although not all of it sounds good, they are all having fun.
You can smoke and make smoke rings with Pipeweed which is cool and just one of many emotes you can use to enhance your roleplay in this game.
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((Player vs Monster in Monster Play))
Ok lets hit other areas, did i mention LOTRO has a great and an incredibly Monster Play system planned out? In this game, PvP is from the start designed to fit into the setting. Turbine-a company that made Asherons Call, one of the most brutal PvP games ever, goes and outdoes themselves. After 5 years in developement of LOTRO, they create a great game world and one Monster Play zone which can only be used to full effect once all the players reach max level ( which is LEVEL 50!). So yes, PvP is gonna be great and all Turbine has taken care that the lore obsessed fan base will not mind the PvP in this game. LOTRO is primarily a player vs. environment game, PvE. So anyone who loves to roleplay and to become immersed into the story of tolkien will find this game satisfying from that aspect. I've even heard alot of fans myself in the game said they are pleasantly surprised as it even exceeds their expectations.
After making my first monster in monster play, which was a weaver, i went around doing quest after quest. The quest system in monster play is nearly as fun as the PvE quest and it makes you work for you rewards. You can repeat EVERY single quest you have done, so you will never run out of quests to do. A quest could be:
"Go kill the leader of the great bears, his name is Gold Head" So i got together a fellowship and made a raid myself, we kill Gold Head, there was much rejoicing. Then later i go back to the NPC that gave me the quest a long time ago.
QUEST AVAILABLE, GOLD HEAD MUST DIE. I'm like what the hell? He cam back from the dead? I will go kill him again, apparently I didn't do it good enough the first time around. Great fun!
Thats good game design. They made every quest repeatable so you always had something to do, so that there would be a way for you to get destiny points, which are used to improve your monster character.
Also, monster play is VERY BALANCED. Hero classes and players are way stronger then any monster character at the start, which would make sense from a lore point of view. Also, although hero classes have 80% more character abilities and skills then monster players do, that is never an issue. I talked with a very active hero player named xxx, he told me he had 70.3% evade chance and other things as well, hes a burglar (rogue) or w/e. He can vanish twice and its pretty much impossible to kill himm unlesss the monsters work together. If they do, he is toast even with his 70.3% evade. Hes already rank 4 because hes been feasting off the fresh monster players, but that will change when the more experienced monsterplayers hear about him. If you were to get higher ranked as a monster you could probably do much better, but getting to that point is going to take an effort We had a raid of 16 hero players and we wiped a monster group of 25. Mainly because the monster players were so stupid and they wouldn't charge the enemy and kept runningIf they had worked together, we would have lost for sure.
Monster players have only one healing class, the war leader. The hero classes have a loremaster, minstrel and captain that all can do healing. Guardians have a self heal and so do burglars. Pretty much they all do. Monsters can't heal themselves and have to rely on War leaders, so they end up getting wiped first unless they use their head. It takes an effort and you need skill to survive Monster Play. Monster play is great amusement.
In my honest opinion, a good MMO has both a great PvE (AKA a great story and a great player vs environment aspect to the game) and a great Player vs Player aspect. Just like this game. Without one, its a one sided game and it gets boring, its like missing 1/2 of yourself. Could World of Warcraft have been as successful and lived so long if it had only PvP or only PvE? No, it had both and it did both well up until Blizzard started to rot from inside and not produce good content anymore, but WoW had potential. Enough of WoW though.
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((Raids))
Even though i never got to try out the raid content of the game i heard that it is nothing special, more or less the same thing from WoW but with 24 people for raids and not 40. So expect it to be more accessible with your smaller guilds and so on but same gameplay. They are even releasing a new raid called Helogrod tomorrow on Wednesday June 13th, 2007 for the new free content update "Shores of Evendim".
Getting gear and all that will probably not follow the same philosophy of grind, as Turbine has taken great care to make a game where you do not feel like grinding,just to complete your set armor. They will probably make quests, not too knowledgeable on this area.
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((Sound and Music))
OMG, the music is so good, i havent even muted it while i play, which I normally do in these kinds of games. Does really give you that epic feel it should. They could have added a new soundtrack or multiple soundtracks per zone, but they decided to add only ONE for each particular zone, and it does its job oncredibly well
When you engage in combat it plays a combat tune and then it stops, it gets annoying when you one shot a mob and it keeps turning the combat music on and then off within a second, but I hardly notice that. And its not different combat music but the same music every time. Throughout the entire game, the same tune, drums. Not very imaginative. Luckily I can turn combat music off in the setting, so its not a big issue for me.
The player sounds are great as well, like the captains/minstrel shout, you ever been in a raid with 10+ captains/minstrels? And having them shout nonstop? Omg, AHHHH.....AHHHH...AHHHH.....AHHHHH....and another AHHHHH, oh God that's fun..AHHHHH...AHHHHHH....and again AHHHHH ....AHHHHH. Im like F this, they are crazy guys
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((Graphics))
Ok the graphics for the world of LOTRO is very impressive and is another big plus for LOTRO. Its something that really adds to the players immersion of the game because he gets to explore tolkiens world in a very detailed game. At first sight the characters and the monsters, armor, weapons, all of those avatars and things look very boring and bland, but when you get close you really start to notice the details. Everybody has a way to make themselves look unique like maybe to dye their armor but that is really not necessary because of the design of the armor/weapons or character itself.
For example, i could wear a chainmail armor suit that is lvl 8, ok? Then when i hit lvl 20, i had basically the same armor design except for a different hat, it had a blue feather popping out of it, so i looked different but with a lot of differences in the details. Turbine really spent a lot of time with it. Since its already designed like that from the start, I am sure they will expand even more on it and make it even better.
They said they are going to add armor sets, from lvl 30-50 armor sets so start getting your hopes up. I am sure they will be great!
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((Bugs and Misc))
Even though Turbine claims they made a bug-free release, they are of course wrong. No software is ever bug free. They have a few bugs, its different for everyone and you'll have to figure it out for yourself. They are far between, and seldom do they really disturb your game.
Ok this has gotten very long and im going to end it, all in all LOTRO has not made any breakthroughs for a online game, but they brought out a very cool and fun world of Tolkien after 5 years in the making! A very satisfying and entertaining game which appeals to many players im sure, but sure, some are not going to like it as we all have different outlooks on things. Your never going to agree on the same thing. So i hope this helped some people decide to buy this game and try it out instead waiting for Darkfall Online or Warhammer online in Q1 of 2008, as I am sure they will feel they get exellent entertainment for their money.
((Closing))
Oh and one more thing, i got into a discussion with a very immature and rude person in monster play, and he called me an idiot and a fag. 10 min lafter I reported him I got a Game Master telling me that he have been baned for a day, and thanks for my help in reporting him. I think it's great that people like him gets banned for a day, without even a warning first.
You all have a good day.
Anyway...
I disagree with the OP, and here are a few reasons why:
The game rarely crashes on me. And even when it does, it doesn't take much time to open up the client again and get back into the game. If I'm in a fellowship or instance, the game kind of knows when I've crashed--and when I log back in I'm still in the group--that's kind of cool.
The quests are better than any other games. There are a lot of things I've seen before in terms of what you do with gameplay, but the quests are better written than other games. And some are a bit more creative. The epics are hands down better than anything else I've ever seen in terms of quests (aside from FFXI). The epics (unlike FFXI) come up much more often and does not require much grinding (if any) to get to.
Of course, I would prefer the epics to come even faster (meaning you don't have to do anything aside from epics to go through them--but I guess that'd rush you through the story too quickly). My only significant gripe with quests in LOTRO is that solo quests become too rare after level 35 or so. I'd like to be able to solo my way through the entire game.
But with Evendim coming out in a few hours (for FREE, with enough content to be considered somewhat of a full blown expansion by other MMO's standards), I believe there will be more solo quests, and at least a larger variety of quests to do to get to 50. Different mobs, different areas, and different quests (hopefully solo quests!) to keep you busy.
I honestly haven't played too much PvMP but it seemed fun whenever I played it. And yes, it is not that big a part of the game currently, and I never expected it to be. I'm not a PvP fan anyway, which is why I'm fine with LotRO's PvE (aka "carebear") status (I personally find it hard to take people seriously when they use the term "carebear"--it makes me think they're just immature folks who are rude and play MMOs just to harass other people and gank noobs).
Sound I find to be satisfying. Unlike some people, I've never gotten tired of the shouts (of course, my main character is a Hunter so I don't hear it too often--but when I do hear it or play my alts, I find it to be quite satisfying). The soundtrack has never bothered me, though the haunting track in Rivendell kinda creeps me out at times. I kind of wish LotRO had deals with the movie versions so they could rip the soundtrack from there. Haha.
Graphics I find to be nice. The power of the engine is good, but the character designs aren't as pretty as I'd like. I prefer the polished, anime style characters of ... well, the Asian-made MMOs. Even if the graphics engine isn't as good, games like FFXI and Guild Wars have characters that are easy on the eyes (they use a lot of artsy tricks to have the characters and background look nice--basically, with a stronger engine, they'll probably pound LotRO's aesthetics into the ground). But, LotRO still looks good to me. The trees and the grass (I have frill on max--I love it) are surprisingly pleasant.
And I like how the Game Masters actually respond to harassment. Just because GMs from other games are lazy and apathetic doesn't mean calling people names is okay. There is no good excuse for calling people "fags." "Idiots" isn't too bad, but it should be avoided too. I'm glad the GMs are strict about these things.
One person told my friend and I to "leave immediately" when we were killing wolves in an area (for the deed and looking for a signature mob so we could craft our weapons that we actually planned on using--not selling) and she (the character was female, at least) accused us of being "Asian farmers" (which was offensive and annoying, seeing as how I actually am of Asian descent). When I asked why she didn't leave, she said she was doing a quest (despite the fact that she was grossly overleveled for the quests in that area). All of this was in broken English, and she was obviously farming the area for drops or gold--not a quest (unless she was getting the deed for killing wolves). Basically, she threatened us to try to scare us away so that she could farm (we were competition). Of course, being educated, logical, and pro-active, my friend and I went ahead and reported her instead. And it seems like she's been banned (though I'm not sure if it's permanent). An educated guess would be that Turbine went and checked her activity and found she was a gold farmer. Ah, how ironic.
Anyway, that's why I like Turbine's GMs. They actually take action.
A one-day ban is not bad. Especially if you seem to dislike the game, anyway.
I scanned your post down to this closing comment. After reading that, I didn't even bother to read your post.
You're mad you were banNed and that's why you posted this. Calling other players idiots and fags? You deserve what you got and should have been banned!
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
At first i thought the OP ws kidding especialy when i started to read that stuff about the auction house, that was very amuzing and fun to read after what? 2 months of release someone thinks auction would work to make you rich asap or should be as easy as it is in WoW. Don't know for sure but i feel that auction houses are somewhat the last things "new" gamers look for, think most will first explore the game/character/area. I've played plenty of different games where i knew people ingame that where lvl10+ or even 20+ and never used a auction house before. Yes some more experianced mmo players will find their way. But to complain about something like this when theygame is this young is showing very little patients therefor don't really understand why the OP play's mmorpg. Especialy when one should know its basic formula. Besides i think its safe to say that every person playing a mmorpg might have had a day playing where he/she met awefull people ingame. Overall its what ÿou"make of it and if you can't take the heat ingame seek another game or hobby
Also LotrO been in development for 8+ years.(overall)
I don't know, i actualy know nothing but ermm is it trendy now to leave a game, write a apostel about why others should not play the game aswell without really having experiance in that game due to it just been released?
Woooww i must hurry, what if someone already has bought a game i did not like and i totlay forgot to warn them about that game
I was in closed Beta, at beginning I didn't care for it but since I was there to test I went for it. The game grew on me and I completely enjoy and love it. LOTRO is not for everyone as GW I didn't care for it. I don't care for WOW. But that don't mean I will tell anyone don't play it, as they may enjoy it. I can't count the number of boxes I have on my shelf that I have bought and found I don't like. We all make mistakes but only way you learn.
The game has not been out long, give it time. I love it. I found launch went very smoothly. I don't see bugs at all in retail version but maybe I am not in same place as the OP. Or I don't think of it as a bug but a feature
There is NO PERFECT GAME, for some reason everyone thinks it is out there. It is not. There is only so many ways you can hack, slash, and quest. If you can think of other ways, ok, develop and produce your own game.
I looked forward to DNL, and was completely disappointed in it. There is only so much that a game can do.
Yeah I can see things I wish worked differently but thinking on it and having been in a game where you can develop your own instances I have found it is Hard and not my cup of tea. It is not as easy as you would think.
Any how I hope everyone uses their own judgment and don't let one unhappy person sway you away or for that matter us happy ones sway you. You have to try everything in life or you miss out. But you need to make your own decision.
You all have a nice day.
I didn't post at the bottom about me being banned as a reason to make this review. I posted that to let people know that they don't play around and they give no warnings. That was also a compliment to Turbine, Blizzard doesn't care and it shows that Turbine does want their game atmosphere to be clean. You guys coming up with assumptions like that shows how immature and childish you all are.
If i called someone a fag or an idiot, that does not make me immature, its called anger. You all are hypocrites if you claim to never have sworn in your entire life, if you have never made mistakes, you are being hypocritical coming onto this post and saying that I'm immature because i lashed back out at them. Your no saints either.
I made this review and you can call it 110% biased, but i gave a detailed review over many aspects in the game and im not afraid to tell the truth whether or not you guys like it. Your better off playing console games and waiting for Warhammer Online or w/e. No i have not beta tested those games, but they are coming up with new ideas. Lord of the Rings Online has a foundation built upon EQ, and they use the same old MMO gameplay ideas that are repetitive and boring, and if you cannnot see that either your in denial or your just plain ignorant and easily amused. In a couple years we will have much better MMO's i hope because of the way they are improving things.
I am not angry that i got baned, im actually happy, it gave me the chance to close my account and use my time in more important things. I was sitting in monster play outside the lumber camp waiting for people to show up and none did, so i was yawning pretty much for a good while, so i thank turbine for booting me because i needed to get off.
I played Asherons Call and it was a fantastic game for its time. So i have nothing against Turbine. But today is today, and LOTRO is cliche and old, and its going to be outdone in the future by better MMO's.
I get on here to help save people time and money, don't play this game and waste your life, go buy an XBOX 360.