This game is terrible, don't waste your time.

The-Raven · June 2007

Originally posted by Juvante

Raven not all new ideas are good ones. There must be "GOOD" innovation, good ideas. If its crap innovation, you will have crap gameplay. We have imaginations and we can think up new ways to do things fun instead of doing things the same way because we feel safe and secure with it.

Making a MMO is very very hard, so trying something totally new takes alot of guts but its what must be done to break the mold of the current MMO trend. Companies are trying to make a buck off past successful ideas and trends. They will continue to do so as long as you continue to support it.

And no, LOTRO did nothing new. Renting a horse for a taxi service is not new.

but it was a new approach to a previous problem which if we are to believe the definition of the word innovative (which I think we all can) then this too was an innovative approach to solve a problem.

However, I agree that innovation for the sake of innovation does not make something better.

What I am curious about is what innovations would you like to see in future games?

flood950 · June 2007

Originally posted by KOrnfan4evr

No doubt, although I dont really think they really played their instruments to show their true potential entirely as much as they shouldve, pantera was a great band. Hell Yeah is now in the legacy =P

They played em pretty hard though. RIP Dimebag. Never got to see him in concert which will always bother me. Obviously, I never saw Pantera. I did get to see Phil in "Down" however. They had some decent tunes..but I dont even like to think of them and Pantera in the same thought....please dont compare them!! heh.

Back to the OP, I said I was done here and essentially was, but of course kept seeing the thread pop up so I kept reading. It seems like towards the end this has finally hit the line it should have been on?

I think why I got so hostile with you is because your posts seemed like trolling (note, I never accused you of this), it just seemed like you were bashing the game for exactly what it should be and was designed to be.

That is not something that comes up often unless its just a troll post to get a rise out of the players. From your last few posts however it seems like the complaints are not about this game but about the genre itself and the fact that this game just fell into the trends which you do not enjoy.

I doubt anyone is really going to slam you for saying this game is not vastly innovative. Its not and most will admit that. But, that doesnt mean its really a bad game as you were declaring. Something being run of the mill and "terrible" is not the same. Although I said this earlier so am likely typing ad naseum.

This just seems like it should have been a case of you tried it, didnt like it, and moved on. Usually people dont crusade against games unless they are falsely marketed or have glaring bugs that the company tries to hide until you start playing. Those are typically reasons to try to deter new players from joining...not just because its exactly what it always was intended to be and you just do not like it.

And putting opinions of the game aside..lets face it. Turbine needed to get players for this title. ACII tanked right after an expansion pack was released, DDO never really got a large established player base, and I reckon the rights to use LOTR cost them a pretty penny. They needed to get some revenue generating and when you are in a situation like that, gambling on major changes to the dynamics of the genre probably wouldnt have been too smart. Companies can go belly up in a hurry when mistakes like that are made, there is an example in this thread already.

Juvante · June 2007

Theres no excuse, its not our fault that AC2 tanked and that they cannot make any more satisfying and interesting MMO's. Going with the flow and jumping on the bandwagon doesn't get you anywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if they lose 50% or more people in the next 5 months. The only content they can add is more regions, quests, raids. The game design itself still follows the same trend and will remain that way until it dies.

Now lets say hypothetically they had made the entire world of MiddleEarth. All the way to Mordor, and filled in every area like they did with the current regions. I must say that would have made an impressive addition to my opinion of the game. However, the gameplay lacks and would be the same throughout regardless, and thus would get boring and you'd probably never make it to Mordor before losing interest.

Shores of Evendim update fixed a couple bugs, updated some classes, added new monster types, new region, more quests, a raid and armor sets. Familiar? Yep. Thats how the other content updates will be most likely again and again. "Yawn"

flood950 · June 2007

Originally posted by Juvante

Theres no excuse, its not our fault that AC2 tanked and that they cannot make any more satisfying and interesting MMO's. Going with the flow and jumping on the bandwagon doesn't get you anywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if they lose 50% or more people in the next 5 months. The only content they can add is more regions, quests, raids. The game design itself still follows the same trend and will remain that way until it dies.

Now lets say hypothetically they had made the entire world of MiddleEarth. All the way to Mordor, and filled in every area like they did with the current regions. I must say that would have made an impressive addition to my opinion of the game. However, the gameplay lacks and would be the same throughout regardless, and thus would get boring and you'd probably never make it to Mordor before losing interest.

Shores of Evendim update fixed a couple bugs, updated some classes, added new monster types, new region, more quests, a raid and armor sets. Familiar? Yep. Thats how the other content updates will be most likely again and again. "Yawn"

Your first statement really backs up my point though. AC2 attempted to change a lot of preconceptions of MMO's. People didnt like it and it failed.

DDO did the same thing. The combat in that is different from almost all other MMO's, yet, there are complaints about it. Their combat actually sounds like what you are looking for to a degree, it is very "hands-on", you can probably find a trial for it to see firsthand if you have not.

This is the gamble with trying new things. You, and others like you may not like the combat system, but a whole hell of a lot of people do. One game is not going to please everyone but as you pointed out and others have, there is a large batch of games coming out within the next year or so that are trying some new things, most combat.

Back to LoTRo, the Evendim added a lot that many players are looking for. Right now the middle range levels are painfully group-centric...the vast majority of quests require a group. Which is fine for some players but not for many. That content update added a new zone for that level range.

Why I find it hard to criticize LoTRo for what they have done is that there was no pulling of wool over anyones eyes. They didnt come out and say they are making some game that is going to change how we think of and play MMO's. Not in the least. They created a fantasy game in a setting that will appeal to players. They provided the product that they advertised is my point, that is why I find it very odd to slander the game for what they have done.

Now...if AoC or Darkfall comes out and is run of the mill (I know they wont, this is hypothetical of course and very unrealistic) then I could see reasons for bashing, as they are TRYING to add drastic changes to what people expect out of a high fantasy MMO.

There are new things in LoTRo as well...but they are not along the lines of what you want so it doesnt really matter to discuss them.

Masta22 · June 2007

Originally posted by Juvante

Masta22 says: of course youhave the right to express yourself but you sont hav the right to tell people to stay clear of the game

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Says who?

You must be a very troubled person. Why are you still here? you dont like he game, you made that pretty clear so why not move on. Go back to WOW you troll.

Bama1267 · June 2007

Originally posted by Juvante

((Some Gameplay Areas))

Ok, after giving this game a chance so many times and even playing from open beta (not closed beta), i have to say its a very awful game. For a game to be in the making for 5 years means that it is not a clone of WoW because wow was released 2 years ago, so obviously it can't be a clone even though it does appear the same way in some of its UI and features. The gameplay is pretty much the same as in WoW, you run from point A to point B, kill X amount of Y and get Z item or B item from the reward guy. The game suffers from many cliche ideas sadly that worked 5 years ago but are boring and worn out today. People need something new, something interesting and exciting and not the same boring gameplay.

I started off in the dwarf area and did quests non stop so it does provide you with tons of content and stuff to do, but the stuff isn't very fun to do unfortunently. I've also tried all the other races out as well. Now, many will disagree with me about it being fun but i've tried grouping with people and going solo and either way its not fun. Not to mention the repeated comments of "Yawn, im bored" from other players. I played wow and other RPG's and this game got incredibly redundant because it felt like WoW and many other games i had played, the same feeling of being dragged through the game trying to get to the fun part.

If you think being someones errand boy or having to kill 15 wolves, 15 spiders and then go kill 15 goblins, and then go kill another 15 goblins because you missed a quest npc, is fun, you are a very boring person. Some of the quests are interactive with the npcs doing things with you but not all of them. Some quests require you to search out certain landmarks which is cool but nothing special. Deeds and traits are a nice addition but they are too limited, you can't equip very many even if you get to acquire a ton, so its nothing like the WoW talent trees, not even close. Reason i use that example is because i know alot of people have played WoW and can relate to what im saying. The deeds and trait system are a joke.

The story line quests are decent, they are a joke in the beginning and start to get harder once you start doing lonelands. They do scale well and get fun later on but the rest of the game suffers and the storyline part of the game doesn't make up for it. Not to mention the incredible amount of immature players and rude people, so trying to find good groups is next to impossible. Its very hard to find a minstrel since its not a very good solo class, not too many people play it and its the only main group healer, and not a very good healer at that from my experience with other minstrels, they keep telling me they hate the class, my healing sucks, yada yada i'm going to reroll a burglar, yada yada, etc.

Auction house system is identical to WoW but instead of people buying my stuff i get everything back in the mail, nobody uses it like they did in WoW. I am very skillful in using the auction house too but didn't seem to matter how good my prices were, nobody bothered with it. Guess it differs for servers, but when i asked other people on my server out of many people i asked, only a few ever really got much out of the auction house, and some just flat out stopped using it. Also, LOTRO has been invaded by Gold farmers, as always.

Music system is a nice addition, but only for those that know how to play music, if your not musically inclined, don't bother. You'll just sound incredibly stupid, like some child pressing random keys on a piano. I heard they are going to improve the music so you can compose it in a program and then upload it into your character but you still have to know how to compose it in the first place. Even if you take it off a website, its not as fun then if your were to make your own song.

You can smoke and make smoke rings with Pipeweed which is cool at first but gets boring fast, not much else with that area.

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((Player vs Monster in Monster Play))

Ok lets hit other areas, did i mention LOTRO has crappy and an incredibly poor Monster Play system planned out? In this game, PvP is an afterthought, not part of central game design, Turbine-a company that made Asherons Call, one of the most brutal PvP games ever, goes and becomes carebear. After 5 years in developement of LOTRO, they create a very small game world and ONE Monster Play zone which can only be used to full effect once all the players reach max level ( which is LEVEL 50!). So yes, PvP is an after thought and all Turbine cares about are the lore obsessed fan base. LOTRO is a player vs. environment game, PvE. So anyone who loves to roleplay and to become immersed into the story of tolkien will find this game satisfying from that aspect. Although don't get your hopes up because even if you are a tolkien fan, the gameplay isn't very fun. I've even heard alot of fans myself in the game said they are disappointed.

After making my first monster in monster play, which was a weaver, i went around doing quest after quest. The quest system in monster play is incredibly boring and redundant and takes a very long time with very small reward. You can repeat EVERY single quest you have done, which means you pretty much had no impact on the region at all, for example:

"Go kill the leader of the great bears, his name is Gold Head" So i got together a fellowship and made a raid myself, we kill Gold Head, there was much rejoicing. Then later i go back to the NPC that gave me the quest a long time ago.

QUEST AVAILABLE, GOLD HEAD MUST DIE. I'm like what the hell? LOL

Thats pathetic poor game design. They have to make every quest repeatable just to give you something to do because it was so poorly planned out that there would be no other way for you to get destiny points, which are used to improve your monster character.

Also, monster play is VERY IMBALANCED. Hero classes and players are way stronger then any monster character could be, which would make sense from a lore point of view, but not a fun gameplay decision. Also, hero classes have 80% more character abilities and skills then monster players do. I talked with a very active hero player named Silens, he told me he had 70.3% evade chance and other things as well, hes a burglar (rogue) or w/e. He can vanish twice and its pretty much impossible to kill him. Hes already rank 4 because hes been feasting off the fresh monster players. Monster players dont even have 20% evade, not even close. Now, if you were to get higher ranked as a monster you could probably do much better, but getting to that point is the problem. We had a raid of 25 monster players and we got wiped by a a hero group of only 16. Mainly because the players were so stupid and they wouldn't charge the enemy and kept running, but even if you were to attack someone they'd survive because of the massive amount of healing heros can do vs monster players.

Monster players have only one healing class, the war leader. The hero classes have a loremaster, minstrel and captain that all can do healing. Guardians have a self heal and so do burglars. Pretty much they all do. Monsters can't heal themselves and have to rely on War leaders, so they end up getting wiped first and then we all die. Not balanced and maybe it wasn't suppose to be, because from one hero players comment, "you monster players are here for OUR AMUSEMENT". LOL right.

In my honest opinion, a good MMO has both a great PvE (AKA a great story and a great player vs environment aspect to the game) and a great Player vs Player aspect. Without one, its a one sided game and it gets boring, its like missing 1/2 of yourself. Could World of Warcraft have been as successful and lived so long if it had only PvP or only PvE? No, it had both and it did both well up until Blizzard started to rot from inside and not produce good content anymore, but WoW had potential. Enough of WoW though.

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((Raids))

Even though i never got to try out the raid content of the game i heard that it was nothing special, more or less the same thing from WoW but with 24 people for raids and not 40. So expect it to be more accessible with your smaller guilds and so on but same gameplay. They are even releasing a new raid called Helogrod tomorrow on Wednesday June 13th, 2007 for the new free content update "Shores of Evendim".

Getting gear and all that will probably follow the same philosophy of grind till you complete your set armor, or they will probably make quests, not too knowledgeable on this area.

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((Sound and Music))

OMG, the music is so redundant and annoying, i have it on mute while i play background music, at first the music is very pleasant and fits well but as it just keeps droning on and on and on, it gets unbearable. Does not give you that epic feel it should but just annoys you. They could have added a new soundtrack or multiple soundtracks per zone, but they decided to add only ONE for each particular zone, which gets incredibly annoying.

When you engage in combat it plays a combat tune and then it stops, it gets annoying when you one shot a mob and it keeps turning the combat music on and then off within a second. And its not different combat music but the same music every time. Throughout the entire game, the same tune, drums. Not very imaginative.

Some of the player sounds get annoying as well, like the captains/minstrel shout, you ever been in a raid with 10+ captains/minstrels? And having them shout nonstop? Omg, AHHHH.....AHHHH...AHHHH.....AHHHHH....and another AHHHHH, ok good they stopped...AHHHHH...AHHHHHH....and again AHHHHH ....AHHHHH. Im like F this, and i turn the sound off. They sound really lame too, its not like a morale boosting yell or something that makes you feel like "HELL YEA LETS DO THIS" kind of feeling, its just like...dude...shutup.

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((Graphics))

Ok the graphics for the world of LOTRO is very impressive and is probably the biggest plus for LOTRO. Its something that really adds to the players immersion of the game because he gets to explore tolkiens world in a very detailed game. The only drawback is the lackluster characters and the monsters, armor, weapons, all of those avatars and things look very boring and bland. Nobody has anyway to make themselves look unique except maybe to dye their armor but that doesnt change much because of the design of the armor/weapons or character itself.

For example, i could wear a chainmail armor suit that is lvl 8, ok? Then when i hit lvl 20, i had basically the same armor design except for a different hat, it had a blue feather popping out of it, so i looked slightly different but not really. Turbine really didn't spend too much time with it. Since its already designed like that, don't expect them to change it, your going to have to live with it.

They said they are going to add armor sets, but those are high lvl armor sets and its pretty much only end game stuff, raid etc, so don't get your hopes up.

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((Bugs and Misc))

Even though Turbine claims they made a bug-free release, they are very wrong. They have things that pop out at you as you play the game, its different for everyone and you'll have to figure it out for yourself. They range from pretty much every bug you can think of, a quest npc not working, a mob in a dungeon not appearing and starting the encounter, you getting stuck in a dungeon, mobs glitching on a environmental object, all kind of things that get annoying which Turbine boldly claims to not have, when they do.

Theres even a very well known bug in Monster Play which triggers when your monster gets killed by a hero player, your armor breaks and it reduces down to 6 armor and the only way to fix it is to /spar with a fellow monster player and have him decline to fix your armor, pretty retarded don't you think?

Ok this has gotten very long and im going to end it, all in all LOTRO has not made any breakthroughs for a online game, they brought out a very unfinished world of Tolkien after 5 years in the making, a not very much to show for it. A very unsatisfying and boring game which appeals to many players im sure, but many people are very easily amused and have different outlooks on things. Your never going to agree on the same thing. So i hope this helped deter some people from buying this game and wasting your hard earned cash because your better off buying a console and playing those games or waiting for Darkfall Online or Warhammer online in Q1 of 2008, then wasting your money and time on this very pathetic game.

((Closing)) Heres an example of Turbine's quality Game Masters, other then WoW game masters not caring, Turbine throws down the hammer. This is an example of when i allowed some immature people to get to me and i lashed out and got into trouble.

I got into a fight with a bunch of very immature and rude people in monster play, and it got me so angry that i called them a bunch of idiots and fags. 10 min later i get a Game Master telling me that i have been baned for a day, and not even so much as a warning but just flat out baned me. Saying that i used foul language and violated the terms yada yada. Everyone makes mistakes, i shouldn't have said "Fags". If you so much as call someone an idiot you get baned for that, so let that be a warning to everyone, they don't give warnings.

You all have a good day.

Id consider a 1 day ban a GOOD warning. And whats 1 day? It effects you very little, but in the long run makes a biger impression on what you can and cant do in game.

As far as the game....the game is fine and should apeal to those looking for some lotro action. Other than that though, its a run of the mill game with next to nothing new.

Juvante · June 2007

Masta22 says: You must be a very troubled person. Why are you still here? you dont like he game, you made that pretty clear so why not move on. Go back to WOW you troll.

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Now now masta, you don't start off with a insulting post again. That doesn't get you anywhere. As i stated, WoW is a crap game and i won't go back because i am not even playing a MMO currently or will any time soon until the upcoming ones come out.

"You must be a very troubled person" NOPE

, very happy, busy with lots of things in my life, and happy as ever!

ASmith84 · June 2007

you guys heard of free speech? that means say what you want even telling someone not to buy a game. their is no law or anything that says you cant tell people to not buy a product. do you watch commercials? they do that all the time. maybe not directly but its in there. now forcing people to not buy it is another thing. all he saying is you should save your money and here is my well thought out review of the game and why you should save your money. and dont give me that crap with bush or whatever about free speech.

kwai · June 2007

To the OP.

Well your entitled to your own opinion but you should more likely call your topic thread "My review of LOTRO" instead of telling people what to do and what not to do, people generally don't like being told what to play and what not to play.

So change it to "My review of LOTRO" , would be more appropiate

But generally speaking it was a nice review you made of the game , aint gonna play it either way tho since the game offers no griefing/pk/pvp.

Game has to have some sort of PVP in it, Open PVP to be more precise, and can't really grief people in LOTRO either

Coldmeat · June 2007

Originally posted by kwai
aint gonna play it either way tho since the game offers no griefing/pk/pvp.Game has to have some sort of PVP in it, Open PVP to be more precise, and can't really grief people in LOTRO either

So why pay $15 to grief people in a video game? Lacking the testicular fortitude to try it in the real world where you could get hit with a ludfisk?

Salenger · June 2007

Something tells me you havent even played the game and are just a disgruntled WOW fan boi whos lips have been resting far too long on blizzards Nuts. I know alot of WOW players who have tried this game and converted without complaint, its alot more fun than wow 10x better community and Content. So to the OP your obviously just trolling so get a life or actually get the game and try it other than making a stupid thread that is wasting KB space on this site.

Also i hold proof that your a liar and have not played the game.... I ask you one question OP where is the Dwarf starting area again?? please tell me. And also you stated that the quests were redundant..eg kill 15 wolves, spiders etc etc, you full of BS the game is more instanced based than any other MMO out ther do your research before you troll next time

Nostromo426 · June 2007

Totally agree with the original poster, this Mmorpg is mediocre at best. The only thing I disagree with him are his view on the graphics, what is so great about them? I mean your character looks like dogsh!t! The grass and everything else looks like someone's nightmare, get real...These graphics are from 2001.

Hopefully this will be the last mmo of it's kind, I love Lotr and this wasnt the company that should have made this game...

The gameplay is so repetitive and so cheaply thought out, that only a sheep would like it or someone who hasnt played any of the great Mmo's out there. The graphics are a complete replica of the other game they slaughtered called dungeons and dragons and the gameplay a poor ripoof from WoW. (Not saying WoW is a great Mmo either) but fact is fact.

The funny thing is that my post and probably this entire topic will be deleted from these sell outs called Mmorpg.com because they are payed from Turbine. They actually rated this game an 8.4?? go figure...it's a 6.5 at the very highest. I'll just wait for Age of Conan, since that is the only decent Mmorpg to come out since WoW probably...Go ahead and delete my account if you wish to do so Mmorpg.com, your site is losing credibilty anyhow when it comes to ratings.

Juvante · June 2007

To Salenger:

Something tells me your a vulgar potty mouth that can't read very well. I am not a WoW fanboy, WoW is a terrible game. So that settles that.

You say: "I also hold proof that you are a liar" LOL what proof?

Dwarf starting area is Ered Luin and near Thorins Gate, you start off as a lvl 1 dwarf and you go into the mines near Thorins Gate, you meet Gimli and Gandalf. One of the dourhands doesn't listen and opens up a sealed off cave, and a troll pops out and takes him out, then Gimli starts running his butt off. You then go in further to save Gimli and Gandalf pops up and turns the troll into stone. Then from there you do quests in Thorins Gate starting area. Hmm, how would i know these things? Because i did play the game.

You talk about instances, the storyline quests have some where they teleport you to an instanced part of the story but most of the game world is all open world.

Masta22 · June 2007

ahh you are still here op, thought you would of got bored by now. Answer me this one question : why not move on?

Juvante · June 2007

Because its no problem to me to look back on here every once in awhle while im doing all of the other things in my life. Keeping up a discussion is fun, and if your so disturbed then i suggest you don't pop your nose into the post.

FrankBuck · June 2007

To the OP: Funny how you only want to discuss with the people that, according to you, gives no arguments, but keeps quiet when people actually gives you some arguments to discuss.

You are entitled to your opinion, but it is by no means a universal truth as you like to portray it.

Actually, based on sales number and the number of people praising the game, you are far away from anything resembling the truth about this game. A lot of people like, why not just accept that and move on to game that you like?

Charlizd · June 2007

Originally posted by Juvante

Heres the deal. If you are someone that stops reading the entire post and then feels he has the right to comment, your comment is meaningless unless you've read the entire thing.

I didn't post at the bottom about me being banned as a reason to make this review. I posted that to let people know that they don't play around and they give no warnings. That was also a compliment to Turbine, Blizzard doesn't care and it shows that Turbine does want their game atmosphere to be clean. You guys coming up with assumptions like that shows how immature and childish you all are.

Ahh 1 ppl are calling you immature because of how you handled the situation they behave like tools and so did you so.

If i called someone a fag or an idiot, that does not make me immature, its called anger. You all are hypocrites if you claim to never have sworn in your entire life, if you have never made mistakes, you are being hypocritical coming onto this post and saying that I'm immature because i lashed back out at them. Your no saints either.

No 1 said we were saints we were just saying you got what ya deserved and that goes for any 1 that wants to be like this.

I made this review and you can call it 110% biased, but i gave a detailed review over many aspects in the game and im not afraid to tell the truth whether or not you guys like it. Your better off playing console games and waiting for Warhammer Online or w/e. No i have not beta tested those games, but they are coming up with new ideas. Lord of the Rings Online has a foundation built upon EQ, and they use the same old MMO gameplay ideas that are repetitive and boring, and if you cannnot see that either your in denial or your just plain ignorant and easily amused. In a couple years we will have much better MMO's i hope because of the way they are improving things.

It is only logical that mmo's are going to get better in years to come as technology grows then so will the games, and i cant recall seeing any where that this game was to be any different to any other mmo's and to be honest with you i cant see how any of these new mmo's are gonna be different they will all be mmo's kill this kill that get rewards, lvl up so on and so on...

I am not angry that i got baned, im actually happy, it gave me the chance to close my account and use my time in more important things. I was sitting in monster play outside the lumber camp waiting for people to show up and none did, so i was yawning pretty much for a good while, so i thank turbine for booting me because i needed to get off.

Yes it is probably a good thing

Meridion · June 2007

It's nice to see how you overplayed being a complete musical retard

. No hard feelings mate

phluux · June 2007

Wow, I can't believe the OP wasted this much time of his life writing all of that.

No game needs spastic children that lash out and resort to petty namecalling because their feelings were hurt. Good riddance.

cerebrix · June 2007

reality check...

you guys are all willing to throw this dude to the wolves for calling someone a fag.

all of you have in an mmo

yep every single one of you. of course youll deny it because most mmo gamers are hypocrites.

mmo gamers talk that way, and yes, all of you lash out a bit for a hell of a lot less than getting banned for a day.

not that any of you will admit to the truth of that situation to yourselves, but whatever. those are the facts.

Phos · June 2007

To the OP... wow, what a thorough review! Someone should pay you!

Thank you, and I'm sorry your thread got hijacked by lewzers!

- Phos

DonnieBrasco · June 2007

Originally posted by cerebrix

reality check...

you guys are all willing to throw this dude to the wolves for calling someone a fag.

all of you have in an mmo

yep every single one of you. of course youll deny it because most mmo gamers are hypocrites.

mmo gamers talk that way, and yes, all of you lash out a bit for a hell of a lot less than getting banned for a day.

not that any of you will admit to the truth of that situation to yourselves, but whatever. those are the facts.

Society check...

You keep, and say (to yourself) whatever you think or feel about others - it is nobody's business. Being angry is a part of human nature.

But to say out loud or write down in text for other's to see - that is called immaturity. Someone in your age (same as mine) should know this already, also be able to differentiate between reason and method

DB

devastatind · June 2007

Good post. In my opinion it is very misleading that it has such a high rating. Nice that someone sits down and takes the time to do a full review, of why he don't like the game, instead of just saying it's shit. Nice job Juvante

trev9999 · June 2007

WoW has been out for like 5 years. Get your facts right.

iffymack · June 2007

it came out in 2004...didnt it?

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