10 people talking in text chat at the same time is manageable. In voice chat it's total chaos.
Voice chat has its place. For raids it's extremely helpful. It's also a great way to further bond with friends.
I see no problem with it being a requirement for a guild. I see the OP's idea of "I want to know if it's a boy or a girl" to be ridiculously stupid...but everyone's entitled to their own perversity.
People replying to the OP here amazes me, cant fucking believe all of you guys think ventrilo is such a bad thing in an mmorpg.
get over your RPing asses imo, if you roleplay in a game, you should be able to roleplay irl aswell, mimic a dwarf for example...
real RPers though, playing DnD Tabletop games never fake their voices do they? no, and they are 10times more roleplayers than you are...
Ventrilo, or any voice com system is just a BONUS enhancing your group in any raid or pvp situation, doesnt matter if you work uber as a group, there is only bonuses from hearing construcive criticism through vent, or if you arent in your position and such.
Also cant believe you all think EVERYONE but yourself are 12 year old kids screaming on vent, or playing music and shit, you arent godlike beings yourself guys. if you hear someone playing music, tell him to get a headset or turn on push to talk, seriously...
you guys are so lost in the 1990's that you dont WANT to live in the future, where voice-com will overtake chatting, why else would games implement their och voice-com systems? EVE did, and WoW is working on it... get real guys, the OP is correct, atleast on the part that using voice-com makes your raid better.
Originally posted by Supernerd I have no prob with guys who play female toons. Just guys that pretend to be female for w/e reason.
A lot of you i believe are really good at playing their class even though you hate to use vent. You dont have to use it all the time, just once in a while. The whole point of having a voice interview is to find people that fit into our guild and not have to kick someone out the next day. You can find a lot from a person from a short voice interview.--- their age somewhat,sex,location sometimes from the way they sound,their personality,their maturity level,sense of humor(if any) If they swear or cuss a lot.
All of which can be found through the simple chat system too, apart from age sex and location, but let's not add more ism's to you shall we? I'm yet to see ANY reason for any of the three to be needed. As for personality, maturity, humor and swearing, that can all be seen through text.
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i totally agree with having vent interviews. required for my guild as well. helps to keep out kids just looking to cause grief. also hearing each other really helps to build friendships. honestly thanks to vent my guild are more of a family than just people i play games with.
Are you serious? Do people really need voice chat to beat some dumb ass pve raid? I can see why you need it for pvp..but pve? What kind of loser gamers are being bred today that need to hear someone tell them what to do every 5 seconds...if you get to the stage of being in a raid and can't follow a couple simple instructions pre raid...you should quit.
Anyway, to answer some of your questions...not everyone feels like talking..some of us have kids, etc. and we can't be listening to voice chat on headphones cause we got to hear whats goin on around us. (i.e. kids, etc.) Having it blaring on speaker while your family is trying to watch tv or something isn't always feasible either if you don't have an office to put your pc in. And hell, sometimes you just don't want to listen to the retarded stuff people say in vent.
I have vent, I use vent. Mostly for pvp. I would never, ever, ever, ever NEED to use vent for pve. The only time I'd be in vent for pve is if I WANTED to have a conversation with whoever I was playing with.
Hell, half the time if I'm in vent during pve I'm not even talking to the people I'm playing with anyway.
My 2 cents from an experienced gamer, take it or leave it, and think outside the tiny little box that you have put yourself in, wanting everyone else to conform to what you think is cool.
p.s. Like, half the people I see playing these days are playing from work anyway...kinda hard to be in vent most of the time when you're at work, heh.
Originally posted by suske i totally agree with having vent interviews. required for my guild as well. helps to keep out kids just looking to cause grief. also hearing each other really helps to build friendships. honestly thanks to vent my guild are more of a family than just people i play games with.
We just kick out whoever tries to start some drama
And we have grillparties instead.
Helps alot more than just hearing a voice
(And, yes, we lives spread across europe)
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LOL? Are you people serious? Are your guilds so dumb that your vents are being blasted by 20 people at once? Your guild leader should have already established that if you don't have anything important to say in a raid enviroment keep you mouth shut.
As for this 10 year old commentary, good god. Who's better the "elitist adult" too cool for Vents stereotyping raiders on vent as young'ins or the "preteens" (cough ... 18+) who ... are having just as much "fun" as you are.
As for the the whole males playing females debate? ..... terrible ... just terrible ...
is it fun when your raid wipes cause you refuse to turn on vent? Is it fun when youre some old guy playing a female char trying to get free stuff? Is it fun for you to be so selfish and make people stare at their chat logs all the time?
It's not that hard to talk. Why is it such a big deal? This isnt 1995,some of you players should at least try to not be so negative toward voice chat. I wouldn't ever pvp with you that's for sure.
i lol'd
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Originally posted by Andorae real RPers though, playing DnD Tabletop games never fake their voices do they? no, and they are 10times more roleplayers than you are...
I use to try to make a voice for my character when I play tabletop actually. It's easier for me to get "in character" that way.
But I do that in my native language Swedish, trying out the same thing in English would be horrible... (or horriblier than my native language atleast).
Why don't I use Ventrilo? Main reason, my wife would laugh at me and call me a nerd if I did.
For me the Voice programs are really good when you want to coordinate things better/faster etc
But they are also taking away almost all "feeling" from the game that i currently enjoy...Some people like to talk all the time in the voice chat and at times it can be really immersion destroying...
Like someone above also pointed out, if you play a roleplaying game the point is to be someone ELSE female or male...
Back to the point..I think it really depends on "what game" we are talking about here..LOTRO isn't close to beiing the same game as World of Warcraft is..In WoW i can partly agree that "if you want't to raid , voice chat is needed, but in LOTRO i think it isn't or rather I would more/less refuse to play LOTRO with voice...
Yes Yes I know ..They implemented it into the game, wich i think was a mistake, and I also think they did it because they had it in D&D Online, but LOTRO is diffrent ..And ....if people use voice chat..I think they use Vent or Teamspeak rather than the built in system because you can't use it out of groups....I haven't seen one guy that has used the built in voice chat at all..
As much as I can see the usefullness of voice chat, I would also refuse to join a guild that "dictates" what I can or can't do as a matter of principle..A game for me is a game, and when guild starts to set demands on how I play or what I should use just to be invited, I would never join such an idiotic bunch of morons..Sorry..
People simply think about this diffrently than you, honestly..I think you should change game, LOTRO can't be the right game for you..
real RPers though, playing DnD Tabletop games never fake their voices do they? no, and they are 10times more roleplayers than you are...
I use to try to make a voice for my character when I play tabletop actually. It's easier for me to get "in character" that way.
But I do that in my native language Swedish, trying out the same thing in English would be horrible... (or horriblier than my native language atleast).
Why don't I use Ventrilo? Main reason, my wife would laugh at me and call me a nerd if I did.
LOL...I salute your honesty *and passes a beer*
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
For me the Voice programs are really good when you want to coordinate things better/faster etc But they are also taking away almost all "feeling" from the game that i currently enjoy...Some people like to talk all the time in the voice chat and at times it can be really immersion destroying... Like someone above also pointed out, if you play a roleplaying game the point is to be someone ELSE female or male... Back to the point..I think it really depends on "what game" we are talking about here..LOTRO isn't close to beiing the same game as World of Warcraft is..In WoW i can partly agree that "if you want't to raid , voice chat is needed, but in LOTRO i think it isn't or rather I would more/less refuse to play LOTRO with voice... Yes Yes I know ..They implemented it into the game, wich i think was a mistake, and I also think they did it because they had it in D&D Online, but LOTRO is diffrent ..And ....if people use voice chat..I think they use Vent or Teamspeak rather than the built in system because you can't use it out of groups....I haven't seen one guy that has used the built in voice chat at all.. As much as I can see the usefullness of voice chat, I would also refuse to join a guild that "dictates" what I can or can't do as a matter of principle..A game for me is a game, and when guild starts to set demands on how I play or what I should use just to be invited, I would never join such an idiotic bunch of morons..Sorry.. People simply think about this diffrently than you, honestly..I think you should change game, LOTRO can't be the right game for you.. /Thark
I like lotro.Usually when i play monster in pvp the raid leader will ask everyone to turn on voice.
you dont have to talk man....
After the raid gets full,it's common to start booting out n00bs who dont have it on (u can tell who has it on next to their name)t and recruit others who have asked to join that actually will turn it on at least.
For pve questing and stuff ,no it really isnt needed.
I want to know who is really a guy or a girl and who is faking being a girl. ...snip
Sounds as though the OP is precisely the type of player I'm looking to avoid as a RL girl. I'm here to raid and play a game, not eHarmony.com as someone else aptly pointed out.
I prefer guilds that take things serious it's my play style.
I have been in guilds that PvP that have required people to roll with us come on vent play with us a little see if they got on ok did well and even have to do some duels as a PvP guild it was the best way we was only small but well known and never short of people wanting to join.
But then again its my playstyle I don't want to be on vent with a bunch of people or newcomers I cant stand or that are totally clueless.
And because of this I would never join another group just because I feel at home there no retards and no morons its bliss.
is it fun when your raid wipes cause you refuse to turn on vent? Is it fun when youre some old guy playing a female char trying to get free stuff? Is it fun for you to be so selfish and make people stare at their chat logs all the time?
It's not that hard to talk. Why is it such a big deal? This isnt 1995,some of you players should at least try to not be so negative toward voice chat. I wouldn't ever pvp with you that's for sure.
One question, do you need a Cv too? I mean, a curriculum, you know, if you need an interview with me, perhaps, you need a cv, I also got the phone of people that can give you some good references! and... the important thing, how about money? how much do you pay? AAAH! nooo a game? you dont pay?
Yes this is GAMES ARE FOR FUN. and Work and real live is the only thing to take seriously
Now let me tell you a history. I was the lead of a guildwars guild, we start like a group of friends, we always meet on ts2, play, laught, talk. Its fun, but someday, dunno when, we start to be competitive, we need to "win", and then, people gets angry when lost, there was lot of bad words, in ts, and in game with the others. I played Gw since it was published, I was almost always on pvp, on gvg. It can be real fun, real exccited but when you take it too seriously it isn't a game anymore, its a sport, and let me tell you something, if you wanna sport, forget mmo, go to chess, or soccer, is better for you and for your brain, almost, when you got lot of stress in work, when you got lot of "serious" things in your life its "silly" to take a "game" seriously, because, it will give you no money, it will give you nothing else than relax and fun.
So its true that it can be funny when you win, and its ok to do the things ok, but, almost ever, this, will bring you to a "profesional" view of the game, you will get angry with your teammates when they do something wrong, you will be estressed and when you leave your computer chair you will need to rest...
Hope I explain it ok, just my point of view, and about my experience, its true that there are lot of kids, pre-teens, teens etc... bla bla bla, but there are lot of adult people with the same... need to be "better" than other in something, and seems that they are "great ones" when they can hide after a "tooN", but, what about realife? what about fun? what about friends? what about your girl/boyfriend? people is fustrated and need to feel better throught a game, people that when the game finish dont say "gg", they laught at you and call you "noob" people that forget fun, and "plays to win", only to win, using "overpowered skills/builds", and they recognise that, if they dont use them, they cant win... is the "metagaming"... omg where are we going too? paying real money for virtual money? what is next? go to the others house and kill him because he stoled you a sword? or pked you? or called you noob?... well, this is not next... this is now...
PD: Forget, if you help a gamer, because he/she uses a toon that is female, and you dont help because its a male, it demostrate one of two things.
1.- you are a sexist
2.- you have no real life and you are trying to get a girl throught a game, perhaps she will give you her msn, and then you will be happy forever... this is ridiculous... your playing, not in a "love chat", there are other webs for this...
Some of you WOW people are pathetic, It's a freakng game not RL. How about step away from the keyboard every 20 hrs. or so. I just love some of you with your, oh my god, its it fun to have the whole raid team get wiped because one person wasn't in vent or crap like that. WOW is the worst MMO ever to come out, no matter how many play it, as well as the rudest and most childish community.
Yes this is a flame post. When it gets to the point of what the OP posted, you know the word addiction comes into play. I never seen people take a video game so seriously, really alot of you need help.
I want to know who is really a guy or a girl and who is faking being a girl. ...snip
Sounds as though the OP is precisely the type of player I'm looking to avoid as a RL girl. I'm here to raid and play a game, not eHarmony.com as someone else aptly pointed out.
You should avoid me,cause all i would do is hit on you and flirt with you non stop until you had a crush on me.
Cause thats what vent is for....
The main reason i want to know your gender is just cause youre a guild member id like to feel comfortable with you in my guild.
And mostly ,cause i have gayphobia,
But now you know the truth.
I dont really care if youre a guy or girl.
I just dont want a pretend girl thats really some gay man.
Go ahead and flame.You mostly all know its true.Im just the rare guy that admits it.
It's a big reason for the interview. Gayphobia is a real problem for me.
I joined this guild just because of this. My other wow guilds im tryin to talk into requiring it as well. I think it's a really good idea. I want to know who is really a guy or a girl and who is faking being a girl. Plus by asking just a few simple questions you can learn a lot about their maturity and how serious the person is toward helping the guild or if they are just joining for free phat lewt. I think using voice chat is a must nowadays in mmorpgs, if you're a serious gamer.
What is really funny--- I asked my LOTRO guild leader to begin voice interviewing players interested in joining our guild. I figured that LOTRO even has voice chat built in game so it might be a good idea. Everyone in my guild was totally against it though, and thought i was being really weird to the point they all got angry at me. It was weird cause almost everyone in the guild uses voice chat.
I like voice chat. I think that it is way waaay better then having to type all the crap and read the chat box all the time. The advantages to using voice is so much compared to not using it for raids and pvp.
I think players who are so dead against using it to the point where it actually offends them need to get with the times. I think in many cases players who refuse to JUST TURN ON voice chat( just to listen)are so so selfish, especially when it's a feature that is built into the game.
What's the big deal? Why is it so hard for some people just to talk?
I want to know who is really a guy or a girl and who is faking being a girl. ...snip
Sounds as though the OP is precisely the type of player I'm looking to avoid as a RL girl. I'm here to raid and play a game, not eHarmony.com as someone else aptly pointed out.
You should avoid me,cause all i would do is hit on you and flirt with you non stop until you had a crush on me.
Cause thats what vent is for....
The main reason i want to know your gender is just cause youre a guild member id like to feel comfortable with you in my guild.
And mostly ,cause i have gayphobia,
But now you know the truth.
I dont really care if youre a guy or girl.
I just dont want a pretend girl thats really some gay man.
Go ahead and flame.You mostly all know its true.Im just the rare guy that admits it.
It's a big reason for the interview. Gayphobia is a real problem for me.
Im working on dealing with my problem.
Are you trying to say something? Mean, something... "something", you know; you are telling you are sexiest, gayphobic, you have no life and playing "seriously" enought to do interviews... Its you who is writing? or perhaps... some of your enemies get your password and is saying all this
Grow up a bit, whats the problem if Im gay or not, whats the problem If Im 20 or 60? its a game, you act with my toon NOT WITH ME, its a RPG game, you talk and act as if you where another one... the character you created... you know what rpg is, true? so, this have nosense... will really stop answer this because seems that is a joke.
As for me, I play Female toons mostly. if I have to stare at a virtual tush for hours on end (3rd person perspective) it better be appealing to me lol. I play male toons when I roll with the wife cuz its what she likes. then I can stare at her virtual tush (cuz she is sitting on her real on at that moment).
The second guild uses the word "Required"....i ask for a credit card number from the members...because if they wanna make me play a certain way...they can pay my monthly fee.
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Why do ppl get mad at guys playing female toons when they have tomb raider on their gaming shelf???
If you want to date my female avatar you should bring good gear rather then flowers.
BTW some men playin female avatars can probably fake a sultry female voice too and you'd be cuddling your monitor in no time. Wow isn't Lavalife.
I have no prob with guys who play female toons.
Just guys that pretend to be female for w/e reason.
A lot of you i believe are really good at playing their class even though you hate to use vent.
You dont have to use it all the time, just once in a while.
The whole point of having a voice interview is to find people that fit into our guild and not have to kick someone out the next day.
You can find a lot from a person from a short voice interview.---
their age somewhat,sex,location sometimes from the way they sound,their personality,their maturity level,sense of humor(if any)
If they swear or cuss a lot.
10 people talking in text chat at the same time is manageable. In voice chat it's total chaos.
Voice chat has its place. For raids it's extremely helpful. It's also a great way to further bond with friends.
I see no problem with it being a requirement for a guild. I see the OP's idea of "I want to know if it's a boy or a girl" to be ridiculously stupid...but everyone's entitled to their own perversity.
People replying to the OP here amazes me, cant fucking believe all of you guys think ventrilo is such a bad thing in an mmorpg.
get over your RPing asses imo, if you roleplay in a game, you should be able to roleplay irl aswell, mimic a dwarf for example...
real RPers though, playing DnD Tabletop games never fake their voices do they? no, and they are 10times more roleplayers than you are...
Ventrilo, or any voice com system is just a BONUS enhancing your group in any raid or pvp situation, doesnt matter if you work uber as a group, there is only bonuses from hearing construcive criticism through vent, or if you arent in your position and such.
Also cant believe you all think EVERYONE but yourself are 12 year old kids screaming on vent, or playing music and shit, you arent godlike beings yourself guys. if you hear someone playing music, tell him to get a headset or turn on push to talk, seriously...
you guys are so lost in the 1990's that you dont WANT to live in the future, where voice-com will overtake chatting, why else would games implement their och voice-com systems? EVE did, and WoW is working on it... get real guys, the OP is correct, atleast on the part that using voice-com makes your raid better.
All of which can be found through the simple chat system too,
apart from age sex and location, but let's not add more ism's to you shall we?
I'm yet to see ANY reason for any of the three to be needed.
As for personality, maturity, humor and swearing, that can all be seen through text.
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It all sucked.
"Waiter, can I get some catnip over here?"
Remember to read that as an 'angry, little elf' when you tell your mates in RP VoiceChat.
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www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
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-Professional Amature
i totally agree with having vent interviews. required for my guild as well. helps to keep out kids just looking to cause grief. also hearing each other really helps to build friendships. honestly thanks to vent my guild are more of a family than just people i play games with.
ROFL, LMAO.
Are you serious? Do people really need voice chat to beat some dumb ass pve raid? I can see why you need it for pvp..but pve? What kind of loser gamers are being bred today that need to hear someone tell them what to do every 5 seconds...if you get to the stage of being in a raid and can't follow a couple simple instructions pre raid...you should quit.
Anyway, to answer some of your questions...not everyone feels like talking..some of us have kids, etc. and we can't be listening to voice chat on headphones cause we got to hear whats goin on around us. (i.e. kids, etc.) Having it blaring on speaker while your family is trying to watch tv or something isn't always feasible either if you don't have an office to put your pc in. And hell, sometimes you just don't want to listen to the retarded stuff people say in vent.
I have vent, I use vent. Mostly for pvp. I would never, ever, ever, ever NEED to use vent for pve. The only time I'd be in vent for pve is if I WANTED to have a conversation with whoever I was playing with.
Hell, half the time if I'm in vent during pve I'm not even talking to the people I'm playing with anyway.
My 2 cents from an experienced gamer, take it or leave it, and think outside the tiny little box that you have put yourself in, wanting everyone else to conform to what you think is cool.
p.s. Like, half the people I see playing these days are playing from work anyway...kinda hard to be in vent most of the time when you're at work, heh.
D
We just kick out whoever tries to start some drama
And we have grillparties instead.
Helps alot more than just hearing a voice
(And, yes, we lives spread across europe)
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
LOL? Are you people serious? Are your guilds so dumb that your vents are being blasted by 20 people at once? Your guild leader should have already established that if you don't have anything important to say in a raid enviroment keep you mouth shut.
As for this 10 year old commentary, good god. Who's better the "elitist adult" too cool for Vents stereotyping raiders on vent as young'ins or the "preteens" (cough ... 18+) who ... are having just as much "fun" as you are.
As for the the whole males playing females debate? ..... terrible ... just terrible ...
i lol'd
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Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
But I do that in my native language Swedish, trying out the same thing in English would be horrible... (or horriblier than my native language atleast).
Why don't I use Ventrilo? Main reason, my wife would laugh at me and call me a nerd if I did.
Hmm...Odd post ..
For me the Voice programs are really good when you want to coordinate things better/faster etc
But they are also taking away almost all "feeling" from the game that i currently enjoy...Some people like to talk all the time in the voice chat and at times it can be really immersion destroying...
Like someone above also pointed out, if you play a roleplaying game the point is to be someone ELSE female or male...
Back to the point..I think it really depends on "what game" we are talking about here..LOTRO isn't close to beiing the same game as World of Warcraft is..In WoW i can partly agree that "if you want't to raid , voice chat is needed, but in LOTRO i think it isn't or rather I would more/less refuse to play LOTRO with voice...
Yes Yes I know ..They implemented it into the game, wich i think was a mistake, and I also think they did it because they had it in D&D Online, but LOTRO is diffrent ..And ....if people use voice chat..I think they use Vent or Teamspeak rather than the built in system because you can't use it out of groups....I haven't seen one guy that has used the built in voice chat at all..
As much as I can see the usefullness of voice chat, I would also refuse to join a guild that "dictates" what I can or can't do as a matter of principle..A game for me is a game, and when guild starts to set demands on how I play or what I should use just to be invited, I would never join such an idiotic bunch of morons..Sorry..
People simply think about this diffrently than you, honestly..I think you should change game, LOTRO can't be the right game for you..
/Thark
But I do that in my native language Swedish, trying out the same thing in English would be horrible... (or horriblier than my native language atleast).
Why don't I use Ventrilo? Main reason, my wife would laugh at me and call me a nerd if I did.
LOL...I salute your honesty *and passes a beer*
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
you dont have to talk man....
After the raid gets full,it's common to start booting out n00bs who dont have it on (u can tell who has it on next to their name)t and recruit others who have asked to join that actually will turn it on at least.
For pve questing and stuff ,no it really isnt needed.
i wouldnt join a guild who takes the game that serious. plus people lie in interviews most of the time anyway.
Sounds as though the OP is precisely the type of player I'm looking to avoid as a RL girl. I'm here to raid and play a game, not eHarmony.com as someone else aptly pointed out.
Mirrim
Chanter, Spatalos Server
I prefer guilds that take things serious it's my play style.
I have been in guilds that PvP that have required people to roll with us come on vent play with us a little see if they got on ok did well and even have to do some duels as a PvP guild it was the best way we was only small but well known and never short of people wanting to join.
But then again its my playstyle I don't want to be on vent with a bunch of people or newcomers I cant stand or that are totally clueless.
And because of this I would never join another group just because I feel at home there no retards and no morons its bliss.
One question, do you need a Cv too? I mean, a curriculum, you know, if you need an interview with me, perhaps, you need a cv, I also got the phone of people that can give you some good references! and... the important thing, how about money? how much do you pay? AAAH! nooo a game? you dont pay?
Yes this is GAMES ARE FOR FUN. and Work and real live is the only thing to take seriously
Now let me tell you a history. I was the lead of a guildwars guild, we start like a group of friends, we always meet on ts2, play, laught, talk. Its fun, but someday, dunno when, we start to be competitive, we need to "win", and then, people gets angry when lost, there was lot of bad words, in ts, and in game with the others. I played Gw since it was published, I was almost always on pvp, on gvg. It can be real fun, real exccited but when you take it too seriously it isn't a game anymore, its a sport, and let me tell you something, if you wanna sport, forget mmo, go to chess, or soccer, is better for you and for your brain, almost, when you got lot of stress in work, when you got lot of "serious" things in your life its "silly" to take a "game" seriously, because, it will give you no money, it will give you nothing else than relax and fun.
So its true that it can be funny when you win, and its ok to do the things ok, but, almost ever, this, will bring you to a "profesional" view of the game, you will get angry with your teammates when they do something wrong, you will be estressed and when you leave your computer chair you will need to rest...
Hope I explain it ok, just my point of view, and about my experience, its true that there are lot of kids, pre-teens, teens etc... bla bla bla, but there are lot of adult people with the same... need to be "better" than other in something, and seems that they are "great ones" when they can hide after a "tooN", but, what about realife? what about fun? what about friends? what about your girl/boyfriend? people is fustrated and need to feel better throught a game, people that when the game finish dont say "gg", they laught at you and call you "noob"
people that forget fun, and "plays to win", only to win, using "overpowered skills/builds", and they recognise that, if they dont use them, they cant win... is the "metagaming"... omg 
where are we going too? paying real money for virtual money? 
what is next? go to the others house and kill him because he stoled you a sword? or pked you? or called you noob?... well, this is not next... this is now...
PD: Forget, if you help a gamer, because he/she uses a toon that is female, and you dont help because its a male, it demostrate one of two things.
1.- you are a sexist
2.- you have no real life and you are trying to get a girl throught a game, perhaps she will give you her msn, and then you will be happy forever... this is ridiculous... your playing, not in a "love chat", there are other webs for this...
Some of you WOW people are pathetic, It's a freakng game not RL. How about step away from the keyboard every 20 hrs. or so. I just love some of you with your, oh my god, its it fun to have the whole raid team get wiped because one person wasn't in vent or crap like that. WOW is the worst MMO ever to come out, no matter how many play it, as well as the rudest and most childish community.
Yes this is a flame post. When it gets to the point of what the OP posted, you know the word addiction comes into play. I never seen people take a video game so seriously, really alot of you need help.
Sounds as though the OP is precisely the type of player I'm looking to avoid as a RL girl. I'm here to raid and play a game, not eHarmony.com as someone else aptly pointed out.
You should avoid me,cause all i would do is hit on you and flirt with you non stop until you had a crush on me.
Cause thats what vent is for....
The main reason i want to know your gender is just cause youre a guild member id like to feel comfortable with you in my guild.
And mostly ,cause i have gayphobia,
But now you know the truth.
I dont really care if youre a guy or girl.
I just dont want a pretend girl thats really some gay man.
Go ahead and flame.You mostly all know its true.Im just the rare guy that admits it.
It's a big reason for the interview. Gayphobia is a real problem for me.
Im working on dealing with my problem.
yeap you are wierd!
Sounds as though the OP is precisely the type of player I'm looking to avoid as a RL girl. I'm here to raid and play a game, not eHarmony.com as someone else aptly pointed out.
You should avoid me,cause all i would do is hit on you and flirt with you non stop until you had a crush on me.
Cause thats what vent is for....
The main reason i want to know your gender is just cause youre a guild member id like to feel comfortable with you in my guild.
And mostly ,cause i have gayphobia,
But now you know the truth.
I dont really care if youre a guy or girl.
I just dont want a pretend girl thats really some gay man.
Go ahead and flame.You mostly all know its true.Im just the rare guy that admits it.
It's a big reason for the interview. Gayphobia is a real problem for me.
Im working on dealing with my problem.
Are you trying to say something? Mean, something... "something", you know; you are telling you are sexiest, gayphobic, you have no life and playing "seriously" enought to do interviews...
Its you who is writing? or perhaps... some of your enemies get your password and is saying all this 
Grow up a bit, whats the problem if Im gay or not, whats the problem If Im 20 or 60? its a game, you act with my toon NOT WITH ME, its a RPG game, you talk and act as if you where another one... the character you created... you know what rpg is, true? so, this have nosense... will really stop answer this because seems that is a joke.
Since i am Deaf and have been so since birth i am unable to join your guild.... hmmm this seems a trifle unfair....
when you consider the fact that i have been a successful raider in games that make WoW look like kiddie land...
and you are saying you cant keep up with chat from 10-40 toons try EQ where your average raid was 60-72
Amazing i always read this site but i never posted till i read this b/c it simply angered me to the point where i had to speak up
and ohh Btw that the kind of thing that civil right lawsuits start over
Mothelm
Reality is a matter of perception....
As for me, I play Female toons mostly. if I have to stare at a virtual tush for hours on end (3rd person perspective) it better be appealing to me lol. I play male toons when I roll with the wife cuz its what she likes. then I can stare at her virtual tush (cuz she is sitting on her real on at that moment).
The second guild uses the word "Required"....i ask for a credit card number from the members...because if they wanna make me play a certain way...they can pay my monthly fee.
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