LOTRO 2 big MAJOR free content updates in 4 months

Quingu · August 2007

first was book 9 in june.

Book 10 coming next monday

No other game company out there gives to their costumers a MAJOR free content update every 2 months, they already announce book 11 for october

forums.lotro.com/showthread.php

MrTumN3s · August 2007

Your forgetting book 11 which will be offering instanced player housing. For player housing they are adding small towns that have buyable houses. Not a lot of info on Book 11 , but the official website has it.

Baldhor · August 2007

This is not "free content update", this is "missing content being added"

CoH/CoV is doing pretty well as far as free update go. And their "expansion" was in fact a "full game" by itself.

Don't search, none can beat CoH/CoV on this matter

and no, I don't play CoX anymore

Quingu · August 2007

Originally posted by MrTumN3s

Your forgetting book 11 which will be offering instanced player housing. For player housing they are adding small towns that have buyable houses. Not a lot of info on Book 11 , but the official website has it.

i didn't forgot i just didn't mention it

MrTumN3s · August 2007

Originally posted by Baldhor

This is not "free content update", this is "missing content being added"

CoH/CoV is doing pretty well as far as free update go. And their "expansion" was in fact a "full game" by itself.
Don't search, none can beat CoH/CoV on this matter

and no, I don't play CoX anymore

You must have never played this game, or you played it and beat it in 1 month.

This game is meant for casual gamers. Its not supposed to be a game which is for raiding to get UBER ZOMG PEW PEW armor. The reason its added is for more casual enjoyment. The game is the #2 mmo on the market. The free content, you make it sound like its a bad thing, its a good thing, its something that leads a MMO to further success.

Wobblebob · August 2007

Lotro isnt the only one to give big updates for free.

EQ2 for example gives a major update once per month, which have included new dungeons, raid zones, modes, features and even entire races, complete with starting areas, quests etc.

Eve gives all their expansions for free.

Etc

Some of them make LOTRO's 2 monthly update look a bit nothingy

Talin · August 2007

LotRO isn't exclusively designed for casual players, but it is more accomodating towards those type of players than any other MMO to date (especially with the new features being added for "reputation grind" to allow comparable rewards to raiding).

Turbine has learned a lot over the years between AC, AC2, and DDO. I think they're finally stategizing and adjusting their focus based on what the average player wants, not just the vocal minority. They know that to try to beat WoW at its own game right now would be folly, so they are creating their own identity by intentionally doing things differently. Kudos to them.

DeadEnd · August 2007

The guy saying this isn't a free content update is wrong. I know Turbine and Turbine always gives updates like this, they're not like Blizzard. Blizzard slowly works to it's goal, it can go on for like 20 years for Blizzards like. Turbine tries to do it way faster, they like to have huge content updates. Watch Asheron's Call 2. I was playing it, the max. level was level 60. There was an update, which made the max level 150, and that in one update. Turbine has always been like that, and that's why they are one of the best companies for me. For that reason I don't think LotRO will die, LotRO will keep on living with all the updates in the future, and will probably stay being one of the best.

JonMichael · August 2007

Originally posted by Wobblebob

Lotro isnt the only one to give big updates for free.
EQ2 for example gives a major update once per month, which have included new dungeons, raid zones, modes, features and even entire races, complete with starting areas, quests etc.
Oh please. Sony milked their customer base for the first year of EQ2... charging $4.95 for the Bloodline Chronicles and then again with Splitpaw which were very small zone additions. They even charged for to access character info on the web. Not one expansion was free until very recently.
The only reason Sony doesn't charge for that stuff anymore is because of the backlash from their customers and to try to keep up with the competition.
Eve gives all their expansions for free.
Etc
Some of them make LOTRO's 2 monthly update look a bit nothingy

Turbine's updates are fantastic and I applaud them for making companies like SOE fess up and stop charging their customers for every piece of content added to their games.

Quingu · August 2007

ac2 was one of the best games out there with free content updates evry month, the ac2 problems was the marketing and microsoft, but was to late for ac2 turbine took alot of time to get ride of microsoft and that killed ac2. BTW that wow copied ALOT of things from ac2 like the UI.

BadT · August 2007

Excellent move by Turbine. This is what gaming is about. Having to pay for content updates is completely ridiculous and only taking advantage of the players. Its refreshing what Turbine is doing and you have to admit, this game is good!

Darkened · August 2007

Originally posted by Baldhor

This is not "free content update", this is "missing content being added"
No, it is not "missing content", by your logic every mmorpg that updates there game is simply adding "missing content", making your below statement regarding CoX completely null.
Heres an example of "unfinished content" added in later for you, from your beloved CoX:
Issue #1 was titled "Through the Looking Glass" and it raised the level cap and introduced two new zones and the Tailor Shops, where players can alter their characters' costumes for a fee.
Issue #2 was titled "Shadows of the Past" and introduced capes, auras, respecification, badges for achieving various things in the game, and new zones including the dance club zone "Pocket D."
Issue #3 was titled "A Council of War" and introduced the Epic Archetypes, featured the replacement of the Nazi-themed group the Fifth Column by the Council, and Ancillary Powers, which augment a character's abilities.
Issue #4 was titled "Collosseum" and introduced player versus player content.
Issue #5 was titled "A Forest of Dread" and introduced the new Croatoa zone as well as archery and sound power sets.
Issue #6 was titled "Along Came a Spider" and coincided with the release of City of Villains and introduced shared content between the two games such as PvP zones and Supergroup bases.
Issue #7 was titled "Destiny Manifest" and introduced a new PvP zone.
Issue #8 was titled "To Protect and Serve" and it introduced the Veteran Rewards system (items awarded to longtime subscribers) and the "Safeguard Mission" in which a Hero could prevent a bank robbery.
Issue #9 was titled "Breakthrough" and introduced the Inventions system as well as the auction system.
Issue #10 was titled "Invasion" and revamped the artwork of the Rikti villain group, as well as a Rikti invasion event through both games.

Information provided by wikipedia!
CoH/CoV is doing pretty well as far as free update go.
CoH is an absolute joke population wise and content wise, its simply not meant for a major audience, its geared towards teens and younger players. There updates add boring and poorly designed systems, implemented even poorer than they were designed, in a lame attempt to cater to there "playerbase", if it can even be considered as such.
And their "expansion" was in fact a "full game" by itself.
No, no it wasnt. The dev team had planned on releasing a retail expansion to the game, but the idea was tossed out when it became clear that the amount of content it added was nowhere near expansion quality, and the content that had been planned to be released in the retail expansion was instead released among several free Issues.

Don't search, none can beat CoH/CoV on this matter
Thats a bold faced lie, LOTRO has the free content department on lockdown, Turbine has and always will be known for providing its customers with quality free content updates that are of very high quality.
NCsoft has been know for.....well....farmers and catering to the RMT industry, blatent acceptance of botting that has ruined communties because of its long standing occurence in various NCsoft titles, you picked a horrid game (and even worse parent company) to use as your basis for comparison.
They tried to jump into the f2p market and failed there as well, DR has a handful of worlds, and each server has a 200 player cap, rarely are any of them ever full (World 1 being the exception as most players seem to prefer it).
Trying to say CoX has the free content department all sealed up, is like trying to say that cigarettes are filled with sugar and spice, and that the only cancer they cause is a cancer of pure love!
Get real.

Die_Scream · August 2007

Originally posted by Darkened

Originally posted by Baldhor

This is not "free content update", this is "missing content being added"
No, it is not "missing content", by your logic every mmorpg that updates there game is simply adding "missing content", making your below statement regarding CoX completely null.
Heres an example of "unfinished content" added in later for you, from your beloved CoX:
Issue #1 was titled "Through the Looking Glass" and it raised the level cap and introduced two new zones and the Tailor Shops, where players can alter their characters' costumes for a fee.
Issue #2 was titled "Shadows of the Past" and introduced capes, auras, respecification, badges for achieving various things in the game, and new zones including the dance club zone "Pocket D."
Issue #3 was titled "A Council of War" and introduced the Epic Archetypes, featured the replacement of the Nazi-themed group the Fifth Column by the Council, and Ancillary Powers, which augment a character's abilities.
Issue #4 was titled "Collosseum" and introduced player versus player content.
Issue #5 was titled "A Forest of Dread" and introduced the new Croatoa zone as well as archery and sound power sets.
Issue #6 was titled "Along Came a Spider" and coincided with the release of City of Villains and introduced shared content between the two games such as PvP zones and Supergroup bases.
Issue #7 was titled "Destiny Manifest" and introduced a new PvP zone.
Issue #8 was titled "To Protect and Serve" and it introduced the Veteran Rewards system (items awarded to longtime subscribers) and the "Safeguard Mission" in which a Hero could prevent a bank robbery.
Issue #9 was titled "Breakthrough" and introduced the Inventions system as well as the auction system.
Issue #10 was titled "Invasion" and revamped the artwork of the Rikti villain group, as well as a Rikti invasion event through both games.

Information provided by wikipedia!
CoH/CoV is doing pretty well as far as free update go.
CoH is an absolute joke population wise and content wise, its simply not meant for a major audience, its geared towards teens and younger players. There updates add boring and poorly designed systems, implemented even poorer than they were designed, in a lame attempt to cater to there "playerbase", if it can even be considered as such.
And their "expansion" was in fact a "full game" by itself.
No, no it wasnt. The dev team had planned on releasing a retail expansion to the game, but the idea was tossed out when it became clear that the amount of content it added was nowhere near expansion quality, and the content that had been planned to be released in the retail expansion was instead released among several free Issues.

Don't search, none can beat CoH/CoV on this matter
Thats a bold faced lie, LOTRO has the free content department on lockdown, Turbine has and always will be known for providing its customers with quality free content updates that are of very high quality.
NCsoft has been know for.....well....farmers and catering to the RMT industry, blatent acceptance of botting that has ruined communties because of its long standing occurence in various NCsoft titles, you picked a horrid game (and even worse parent company) to use as your basis for comparison.
They tried to jump into the f2p market and failed there as well, DR has a handful of worlds, and each server has a 200 player cap, rarely are any of them ever full (World 1 being the exception as most players seem to prefer it).
Trying to say CoX has the free content department all sealed up, is like trying to say that cigarettes are filled with sugar and spice, and that the only cancer they cause is a cancer of pure love!
Get real.

So...in a nutshell, your a CoX hater.

oakthornn · August 2007

I'd just like to say a couple things..

First of all, book 9 and 10 should probably have been included at launch. How many LOTRO players quit back in May-June due to boredom?? When this game went live, It was geared towards the casual family type of gamers. Powergamers such as myself are used to their MMO's being loaded with Content and features that will keep us entertained for months until new content needs to be added.

To me, LOTRO seems like a MMO designed to make ONLY the casual gamer happy. This game is great If you have a son/daughter around 8-14 years old you'd like to play with for a couple hours a day. It is definitely not nearly on scale with true hardcore powergaming MMO's like EQ, EQ2, DAOC, WoW, VG, etc.

I played LOTRO for about 6 hours before realizing this is definitely not the MMO for me. During my 6 hours of play time, I didn't die once. My Burglar only reached level 13, but I knew I could not advance my character any longer due to the boring el simpo EZ mode this game portrayed.

Now, the reason the game has a high rating is because of how incredibly easy and laid back LOTRO is. The abilities and controls are very easy to learn. The quest story mode is pretty neat, but it seems like your playing a structured RPG and not a true MMORPG.

For hardcore powergamers like myself, we need something a bit more challenging and in depth, a game that truly makes you feel a part of the world your playing in. Games like AoC, WAR, and Gods & Heroes are on my highly anticipated list.. I know for a fact these 3 games will appeal to more true MMO gamers than everything LOTRO has to offer.

Most true hardcore MMO gamers who tried LOTRO quit due to boredom. These gamers are probably the reason Turbine had to work double shifts just to release book 9 and 10 within 4 months. It definitely was NOT intended to make you casual nub gamers happy. Turbine stated that LOTRO is NOT meant to be a hardcore MMO, but here they are doing what they can to keep its playerbase in tact which means, releasing more content to make their hardcore subscribers happy.

So those of you nub casual gamers who want to gloat and brag about how great Turbine is for releasing 2 major content patches, please save it. Your failing to see the real picture here. Most MMO's that are released usually has A TON more content at launch than what LOTRO had available. So If you ask me, this game was released to early due to pretty much NO end game whatsoever until more than a month after it was released. Book 9 and 10 should NOT be considered as two free major content updates simply because it should have been in the game at launch!

therain93 · August 2007

Okay, so I'm biased heavily in favor of City of Heroes - I'll be upfront about that.

In defense of CoX, the Cryptic team has opted for roughly 3 big releases per year rather than paid expansions (note: CoV was released along with the 3 issues) and have stuck to it having released issue 10 only a few weeks ago. Everyone can argue until they're blue in the face about finished or unfinished content over new content but these are my questions: How long can a company sustain the new content coming out? Should any big patches/expansions/issues that immediately come out so soon after release be questioned as undelivered content?

I think people should hold off crowning LotRO "king of free content" until we've seen what Turbine does over the next year or two as sustainability is really key but does it really even matter who offers more as long as the subscriber base is happy? In any case, both Cryptic and Turbine show tremendous commitment to the customers thus far continually delivering content and that should be applauded for it.

therain93 · August 2007

Originally posted by oakthornn

I'd just like to say a couple things..
First of all, book 9 and 10 should probably have been included at launch. How many LOTRO players quit back in May-June due to boredom?? When this game went live, It was geared towards the casual family type of gamers. Powergamers such as myself are used to their MMO's being loaded with Content and features that will keep us entertained for months until new content needs to be added.
To me, LOTRO seems like a MMO designed to make ONLY the casual gamer happy. This game is great If you have a son/daughter around 8-14 years old you'd like to play with for a couple hours a day. It is definitely not nearly on scale with true hardcore powergaming MMO's like EQ, EQ2, DAOC, WoW, VG, etc.
I played LOTRO for about 6 hours before realizing this is definitely not the MMO for me. During my 6 hours of play time, I didn't die once. My Burglar only reached level 13, but I knew I could not advance my character any longer due to the boring el simpo EZ mode this game portrayed.
Now, the reason the game has a high rating is because of how incredibly easy and laid back LOTRO is. The abilities and controls are very easy to learn. The quest story mode is pretty neat, but it seems like your playing a structured RPG and not a true MMORPG.
For hardcore powergamers like myself, we need something a bit more challenging and in depth, a game that truly makes you feel a part of the world your playing in. Games like AoC, WAR, and Gods & Heroes are on my highly anticipated list.. I know for a fact these 3 games will appeal to more true MMO gamers than everything LOTRO has to offer.
Most true hardcore MMO gamers who tried LOTRO quit due to boredom. These gamers are probably the reason Turbine had to work double shifts just to release book 9 and 10 within 4 months. It definitely was NOT intended to make you casual nub gamers happy. Turbine stated that LOTRO is NOT meant to be a hardcore MMO, but here they are doing what they can to keep its playerbase in tact which means, releasing more content to make their hardcore subscribers happy.
So those of you nub casual gamers who want to gloat and brag about how great Turbine is for releasing 2 major content patches, please save it. Your failing to see the real picture here. Most MMO's that are released usually has A TON more content at launch than what LOTRO had available. So If you ask me, this game was released to early due to pretty much NO end game whatsoever until more than a month after it was released. Book 9 and 10 should NOT be considered as two free major content updates simply because it should have been in the game at launch!

And you actually make a very good point. Really both LotRO and CoX are casual friendly; hard core gamers will cruise through the content extremely quickly as it is in their nature. At least CoX has replay-value if you appreciate the diversity of skill sets and the diversity of grouping because there is no formular for it. LotRO beta clearly revealed it did not have that same replay value.

Quingu · August 2007

Originally posted by oakthornn

I'd just like to say a couple things..
First of all, book 9 and 10 should probably have been included at launch. How many LOTRO players quit back in May-June due to boredom?? When this game went live, It was geared towards the casual family type of gamers. Powergamers such as myself are used to their MMO's being loaded with Content and features that will keep us entertained for months until new content needs to be added.
To me, LOTRO seems like a MMO designed to make ONLY the casual gamer happy. This game is great If you have a son/daughter around 8-14 years old you'd like to play with for a couple hours a day. It is definitely not nearly on scale with true hardcore powergaming MMO's like EQ, EQ2, DAOC, WoW, VG, etc.
I played LOTRO for about 6 hours before realizing this is definitely not the MMO for me. During my 6 hours of play time, I didn't die once. My Burglar only reached level 13, but I knew I could not advance my character any longer due to the boring el simpo EZ mode this game portrayed.
Now, the reason the game has a high rating is because of how incredibly easy and laid back LOTRO is. The abilities and controls are very easy to learn. The quest story mode is pretty neat, but it seems like your playing a structured RPG and not a true MMORPG.
For hardcore powergamers like myself, we need something a bit more challenging and in depth, a game that truly makes you feel a part of the world your playing in. Games like AoC, WAR, and Gods & Heroes are on my highly anticipated list.. I know for a fact these 3 games will appeal to more true MMO gamers than everything LOTRO has to offer.
Most true hardcore MMO gamers who tried LOTRO quit due to boredom. These gamers are probably the reason Turbine had to work double shifts just to release book 9 and 10 within 4 months. It definitely was NOT intended to make you casual nub gamers happy. Turbine stated that LOTRO is NOT meant to be a hardcore MMO, but here they are doing what they can to keep its playerbase in tact which means, releasing more content to make their hardcore subscribers happy.
So those of you nub casual gamers who want to gloat and brag about how great Turbine is for releasing 2 major content patches, please save it. Your failing to see the real picture here. Most MMO's that are released usually has A TON more content at launch than what LOTRO had available. So If you ask me, this game was released to early due to pretty much NO end game whatsoever until more than a month after it was released. Book 9 and 10 should NOT be considered as two free major content updates simply because it should have been in the game at launch!

so you played a game for 6 hours, and you think you know everything about the game because of that. LOL that's really HARDCORE.

JonMichael · August 2007

Originally posted by oakthornn

I'd just like to say a couple things..
First of all, book 9 and 10 should probably have been included at launch. How many LOTRO players quit back in May-June due to boredom?? When this game went live, It was geared towards the casual family type of gamers. Powergamers such as myself are used to their MMO's being loaded with Content and features that will keep us entertained for months until new content needs to be added.
To me, LOTRO seems like a MMO designed to make ONLY the casual gamer happy. This game is great If you have a son/daughter around 8-14 years old you'd like to play with for a couple hours a day. It is definitely not nearly on scale with true hardcore powergaming MMO's like EQ, EQ2, DAOC, WoW, VG, etc.
I played LOTRO for about 6 hours before realizing this is definitely not the MMO for me. During my 6 hours of play time, I didn't die once. My Burglar only reached level 13, but I knew I could not advance my character any longer due to the boring el simpo EZ mode this game portrayed.
Now, the reason the game has a high rating is because of how incredibly easy and laid back LOTRO is. The abilities and controls are very easy to learn. The quest story mode is pretty neat, but it seems like your playing a structured RPG and not a true MMORPG.
For hardcore powergamers like myself, we need something a bit more challenging and in depth, a game that truly makes you feel a part of the world your playing in. Games like AoC, WAR, and Gods & Heroes are on my highly anticipated list.. I know for a fact these 3 games will appeal to more true MMO gamers than everything LOTRO has to offer.
Most true hardcore MMO gamers who tried LOTRO quit due to boredom. These gamers are probably the reason Turbine had to work double shifts just to release book 9 and 10 within 4 months. It definitely was NOT intended to make you casual nub gamers happy. Turbine stated that LOTRO is NOT meant to be a hardcore MMO, but here they are doing what they can to keep its playerbase in tact which means, releasing more content to make their hardcore subscribers happy.
So those of you nub casual gamers who want to gloat and brag about how great Turbine is for releasing 2 major content patches, please save it. Your failing to see the real picture here. Most MMO's that are released usually has A TON more content at launch than what LOTRO had available. So If you ask me, this game was released to early due to pretty much NO end game whatsoever until more than a month after it was released. Book 9 and 10 should NOT be considered as two free major content updates simply because it should have been in the game at launch!

It took you six hours to reach level 13? Powergamer.. not.

And you know all this information from playing one toon to 13? Not.

Troll.

Shukano · August 2007

LoL..I love people posting their opinions about a game when they played for only a few hours or didn't even make it halfway through the game. But somehow after making it 1/4 of the way through the game they can already "tell" what the rest of the game will be like.

"I only sat through the first 15 mins of the movie...but i can tell what its gonna be like..", "I didn't drive the car past 20 miles an hour but I can tell whats its gonna be like..." get my point?

I actually play both CoX AND Lotro. Both are good games in my opinion though they are distinctly different. Lotro has a great main storyline and the epic book quests make you feel really involved in the story. CoX has been around alot longer and has more general "content" but is also based more on teaming. Go ahead and try to solo in CoX and see how long it takes you level once you hit around lvl 20ish. I have 2 servers full of characters on CoX and a few characters on Lotro (the main being a 40 guardian). On Lotro with my 40 I STILL have plenty of things to do and my quest book is still filled with quests. So don't tell me Lotro has nothing to do.

Also to the poster that broke down the CoX updates into issues...you forgot that issue 7 added new Archetypes to villains..not just another pvp zone. It also added new mayhem missions for villains. I think the content flow is decent for CoX but it cannot compare to how fast Turbine releases updates. Have you guys even played the CoX updates when they first come out? They are usually super buggy on test, and moderately buggy on release. Granted I've seen some strange bugs on Lotro too (bugs I've not seen anywhere else lol) but they don't really compare to the CoX releases either. Btw...Dungeon Runners is expanding their worlds to hold up to 500 players...this was explained in the dev chat the other day right here on Mmorpg.com. They use one pc server for their worlds not multiple like most Mmos so we can give them a little bit of credit.

therain93 · August 2007

I'm probably going to regret this post but.....

So people should prove how hardcore they are by wasting time playing games they don't like? That makes no sense.

If they're not hardcore about your preferred game, that means they aren't hardcore? That's just silly

Out of curiosity, how long is considered the "right" amount of time to decide on a game? In this instance we have a self-proclaimed hard core gamer who, not only having the vast number of reports that everyone else has, tried it himself, committing enough time to make an assessment. Taking him at his word, which is the only thing that we can do, then we must assume he's powered through a game or two. Give his vast experience of what he likes and doesn't like then, if he doesn't like this, why should he continue wasting his (valuable!) time playing it? Now, if he hit level 2 with his hobbit, just after beating the spiders and decided the game wasn't for him, only having used 2 powers, never joined a fellowship or seen any of the quests thennnnnnn you could still give him a pass because he didn't like the mechanics but yes, you could/would/should be suspicious of any sweeping statements he makes.

No one should suffer through fluff to get to the "good" stuff, whether it's a book, movie, tv series or game. With regards to entertainment, if you're not enjoying the journey then you probably shouldn't be wasting your time with it.

JonMichael · August 2007

Originally posted by therain93

I'm probably going to regret this post but.....
So people should prove how hardcore they are by wasting time playing games they don't like? That makes no sense.
If they're not hardcore about your preferred game, that means they aren't hardcore? That's just silly
Out of curiosity, how long is considered the "right" amount of time to decide on a game? In this instance we have a self-proclaimed hard core gamer who, not only having the vast number of reports that everyone else has, tried it himself, committing enough time to make an assessment. Taking him at his word, which is the only thing that we can do, then we must assume he's powered through a game or two. Give his vast experience of what he likes and doesn't like then, if he doesn't like this, why should he continue wasting his (valuable!) time playing it? Now, if he hit level 2 with his hobbit, just after beating the spiders and decided the game wasn't for him, only having used 2 powers, never joined a fellowship or seen any of the quests thennnnnnn you could still give him a pass because he didn't like the mechanics but yes, you could/would/should be suspicious of any sweeping statements he makes.
No one should suffer through fluff to get to the "good" stuff, whether it's a book, movie, tv series or game. With regards to entertainment, if you're not enjoying the journey then you probably shouldn't be wasting your time with it.

I agree totally.

If a game doesn't interest me in the first hour or so, I don't play it...

BUT..

I also don't go around claiming to know everything about the game.. what's wrong with it, what needs to be done, why it was done and so on and so on.

Shukano · August 2007

My point is he didn't even make it 1/3rd of the way through. His opinion is just as valuable as any but once again you are making a generalized statement based on the first few levels. Thats like saying you don't like a state even you only visited the ghetto of one city. He didn't like the mechanics...fine. However level 13 of 40 is hardly far enough to get a good feel of the game, especially for a hardcore player. Does saying there isn't enough to do in Florida even though you've only visited the city of Ocala make that a good opinion? Noone has to like the game. I'm just trying to get away from people making huge generalized statements based on a small experience. He based the entire argument that "there isn't gonna be much to do so its a boring game" on the first 13 levels.

I've used plenty of examples to make my point. If you don't like a game for the mechanics or character design or something you can see in the first few levels...thats perfectly fine.

WSIMike · August 2007

Originally posted by oakthornn

I'd just like to say a couple things..
First of all, book 9 and 10 should probably have been included at launch. How many LOTRO players quit back in May-June due to boredom?? When this game went live, It was geared towards the casual family type of gamers. Powergamers such as myself are used to their MMO's being loaded with Content and features that will keep us entertained for months until new content needs to be added.
Okay, so in other words, you resolved your own statement right in the same paragraph. Powergamers were bored early on because the game doesn't cater to them. Okay. So you've basically reiterated what anyone else here could have told you without you having to spend a single minute in-game. LoTRO is geared toward more casual play.
To me, LOTRO seems like a MMO designed to make ONLY the casual gamer happy. This game is great If you have a son/daughter around 8-14 years old you'd like to play with for a couple hours a day. It is definitely not nearly on scale with true hardcore powergaming MMO's like EQ, EQ2, DAOC, WoW, VG, etc.
Once again, you're declaring what everyone already knew... LoTRO is a casual-friendly game. It doesn't cater to the "hardcore powergamer" type. Thank you. But again, we know this already. As for the 8-14 year old comment... Unnecessary and untrue. It's ideal for anyone who enjoys a casual gaming experience and who enjoys the world and lore of LoTRO.
Trying to knock a game for being exactly what it was intended to be... Good job. You know.. I knock motorcycles for only having two wheels all the time. It just makes me feel so hardcore for driving a car that has *four*.

I played LOTRO for about 6 hours before realizing this is definitely not the MMO for me. During my 6 hours of play time, I didn't die once. My Burglar only reached level 13, but I knew I could not advance my character any longer due to the boring el simpo EZ mode this game portrayed.
Okay... Eyes beginning to glaze over. We get it. It's casual friendly. It's not catered toward hardcore gamers. You don't like it. Do you have anything else to contribute?
Now, the reason the game has a high rating is because of how incredibly easy and laid back LOTRO is. The abilities and controls are very easy to learn. The quest story mode is pretty neat, but it seems like your playing a structured RPG and not a true MMORPG.
... I guess not.
For hardcore powergamers like myself, we need something a bit more challenging and in depth, a game that truly makes you feel a part of the world your playing in. Games like AoC, WAR, and Gods & Heroes are on my highly anticipated list.. I know for a fact these 3 games will appeal to more true MMO gamers than everything LOTRO has to offer.
Wait wait.. something different... ??

Oh wait.. no it isn't. Hardcore powergamers, blah blah blah... need something more challenging, blah blah blah. Though, at least now you're going into new territory... Now you're presuming to define what a "true MMO gamer" is or what they want... of course, the "true MMO gamer" being a description of yourself. Naww... not too hung up on yourself, are ya?
Oh, and can you let me know where you got the crystal ball you're using to know for a fact that those 3 games are going to appeal to "true MMO gamers".
Most true hardcore MMO gamers who tried LOTRO quit due to boredom. These gamers are probably the reason Turbine had to work double shifts just to release book 9 and 10 within 4 months. It definitely was NOT intended to make you casual nub gamers happy. Turbine stated that LOTRO is NOT meant to be a hardcore MMO, but here they are doing what they can to keep its playerbase in tact which means, releasing more content to make their hardcore subscribers happy.
Okay... why not... Yet another go around of the "hardcore MMO gamers" thing... reiterating, once again, in case no one got it in the first 3 paragraphs... Turbine didn't design the game to cater to the "hardcore gamer".
And now you've dipped into waters of complete ignorance. Turbine has always held a policy of regular, free, content updates. From AC1, through AC2, DnDO and now LoTRO. They are doing nothing they haven't done in the past or haven't already stated they were going to do. They aren't trying to "hold on to" any playerbase, any more than any other company wants to hold on their customers. You know... because companies tend to want to keep customers.. not lose them. In all, Turbine are doing exactly what they said they would do all along.
So those of you nub casual gamers who want to gloat and brag about how great Turbine is for releasing 2 major content patches, please save it. Your failing to see the real picture here. Most MMO's that are released usually has A TON more content at launch than what LOTRO had available. So If you ask me, this game was released to early due to pretty much NO end game whatsoever until more than a month after it was released. Book 9 and 10 should NOT be considered as two free major content updates simply because it should have been in the game at launch!
This last paragraph - hell, the whole post - demonstrates two things...
1. You are far cockier and more arrogant than you deserve to be.

2. I don't think I've ever seen so much blatant and unabashed self-edifying commentary in any three other posts combined, as you have in yours.
Seriously.. do you, like.. have a mirror right near your computer so you can look at yourself while you're typing up these threads? Do you have a decal or sticker that arches over your head in the mirror that says "100% Hardcore" or something? I wouldn't doubt it.

All in all.. I mean, I play MMOs to have fun. I certainly don't play them to feel "hardcore" or whatever.

Yukikooo · August 2007

Was about to post something similar to what WSImike posted, so I just say: QFT.

therain93 · August 2007

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by oakthornn

Seriously.. do you, like.. have a mirror right near your computer so you can look at yourself while you're typing up these threads? Do you have a decal or sticker that arches over your head in the mirror that says "100% Hardcore" or something? I wouldn't doubt it.

Ah, it's ditties like this that make mmorpg.com so wonderful. You have made my afternoon ( ' :

Quingu · August 2007

ok guys can we go back to the topic? lol

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