FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
Playing:World of Warcraft. Played:Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies. Tried:Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
evenif 172,000 people dont have activite accounts.... just buying the game is a big supporter of the game..... i think lord of the rings will be around for awhile.... speically sense they are so good at adding extra content and not making them xpacks but i am very fond of xpacks
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
I never said it wasn't a good game, just not AS good as the fanbois claim it is. It has a few interesting concepts and I can see where it can appeal to people. Also, it seemed like a very polished game, even at release. That deserves some credit imo.
And if you don't believe me about the ads, go pick up a copy of Maximum PC. I just saw it in there yesterday. That same add has been running for months in a lot of magazines I've read. Theres no way in hell they've had millions of people playing LOTRO since its release.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
The 172k number is completely bogus. It was arrived at by using many assumptions that none of us know. It may be more, it may be less... but the sooner everyone stops using that unverified # the better.
The only number that was reported is that Midway (the NA distributer for LoTRo) reported about $10 million in sales for the quarter that LoTRo was released. It was GameStop that reported the number was 172k box sales... however if you do a bit of digging... they arrived at that number completely arbitrarily.
Here is the link to Midway's sales # (the only verifiable # in the whole thread... well that, and 22 servers).
To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well:
See... trying to include actual, verifiable data... not SPIN. So, those are the numbers that everyone is deriving everything from. Does that number look like it shows box sales for LoTRo in big, bright, bold characters? Heh... nope! So, everyone might just as well stop using that stupid 172k number... it's about as real as the Tooth Fairy!
MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands) Three Months Ending June 30, 2007
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
I never said it wasn't a good game, just not AS good as the fanbois claim it is. It has a few interesting concepts and I can see where it can appeal to people. Also, it seemed like a very polished game, even at release. That deserves some credit imo.
And if you don't believe me about the ads, go pick up a copy of Maximum PC. I just saw it in there yesterday. That same add has been running for months in a lot of magazines I've read. Theres no way in hell they've had millions of people playing LOTRO since its release.
I dont really want to jump on this argument wagon but it is as good as the fanboys say it is because it is there cup of tea not yours obviously, so from what i am reading is that because you say it is not as good as what we say it is then you are correct and we are not?
your opinion is yours and ours is ours and if we say it is good then to us it is good we are not saying that every one has to like it just that we do so please dont tell us it is not good because we are playing it and we are loving it. I can see that you say that you never said it was a bad game so i am not having a dig at you but some people have a liking to certain games and some dont so is either of these gamers wrong? Again i am not saying you are wrong for not liking it just dont understand why we cant claim it to be good when we think it is.
FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
I never said it wasn't a good game, just not AS good as the fanbois claim it is. It has a few interesting concepts and I can see where it can appeal to people. Also, it seemed like a very polished game, even at release. That deserves some credit imo.
And if you don't believe me about the ads, go pick up a copy of Maximum PC. I just saw it in there yesterday. That same add has been running for months in a lot of magazines I've read. Theres no way in hell they've had millions of people playing LOTRO since its release.
I dont really want to jump on this argument wagon but it is as good as the fanboys say it is because it is there cup of tea not yours obviously, so from what i am reading is that because you say it is not as good as what we say it is then you are correct and we are not?
your opinion is yours and ours is ours and if we say it is good then to us it is good we are not saying that every one has to like it just that we do so please dont tell us it is not good because we are playing it and we are loving it. I can see that you say that you never said it was a bad game so i am not having a dig at you but some people have a liking to certain games and some dont so is either of these gamers wrong? Again i am not saying you are wrong for not liking it just dont understand why we cant claim it to be good when we think it is.
Ignorance and/or insecurity. Plain and simple. Because some people just can't accept a differing point-of-view as being every bit as relevant as theirs. Having an opinion that others may or may not agree with is not enough. Someone *has* to be wrong, and it ain't gonna be them. They have to be "right", period, end of story. This is why many people will try to bolster their comments and try to imply "authority on the subject" with supposed "argument finishers". For example, "It's a fact", or "It's undeniable" or "anyone who's a real gamer..." and so on. Politicians thrive on that mentality, while delivering their talking points, fully hoping the viewers won't see through it (sadly, many don't)
If you read through reviews on Amazon.com, you'll see the same behavior. Reviewers there do the same thing, by lacing their reviews with crap like "Anyone who's a real fan of "such and such" will agree..." So, naturally, if you don't agree with the reviewer's opinion, well, you're obviously not a "real fan" and your opinion doesn't matter. It's ridiculous and transparent. But people do it all the time.
They can't rob you of your opinion, or stop you from experessing it, so they'll do everything they can to render your opinion moot (at least in their mind)... A favored tactic is to play the "fanboy" card. They think the game sucks... and if you don't, you're obviously just a "fanboy", or don't know what a good game really is, or some other nonsense. It's the farthest thing from any realm of possibility, to them, that you might actually just really like the game... and that it's perfectly okay. Nope... They don't like the game, therefor, no one should.
And it all just tumbles, rolls and splatters downhill from there.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Yeah, I am going to have to say the 172,000 number is totally bogus. After 3 weeks of searching off and on, there is no place that has actual numbers other than gamespot. If gamespots numbers were true all other sites would have piggy back posted those same numbers but no one did.
*edit* Also here is a link that shows they never post specific numbers. I know the link doesn't directly refute the 172k number but it does prove they don't share numbers.
Yeah, I am going to have to say the 172,000 number is totally bogus. After 3 weeks of searching off and on, there is no place that has actual numbers other than gamespot. If gamespots numbers were true all other sites would have piggy back posted those same numbers but no one did. *edit* Also here is a link that shows they never post specific numbers. I know the link doesn't directly refute the 172k number but it does prove they don't share numbers. http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?p=944083#post944083
Exactly!
It's just pure fabrication, no other way to say it. Why in the world Gamespot decided to assign an arbitrary number of box sales to the number given out by Midway in their quarterly report is beyond me.
I could see them giving it a shot if we knew what percentage of that $10 million was LoTRo, but nobody even knows that! So, they were not only guessing on the percentage that was for LoTRo, but they were guessing on the percentage cut that Midway gets for the box sales! LOL!
I think it's pretty safe to say that GameSpot isn't going to win any awards for journalism any time real soon.
the 172k sales are NA only and not counting with pre orders, Game sold over 100k only at UK on first month. so if we count NA, EU and japan servers and pre orders since they had about 600k . so i believe they sold over a million already.
You are completely delusional. Sales during the quarter DO count pre-orders, and when you consider that 4 out of 5 people who bought a pre-order box and tried the open beta didn't come back and buy the game, the number sounds about right. If the game sold more than a couple hundred thousand, they'd have had to open more servers- period. With the server count they have, there is NO WAY in the world they have more than 250-300K active players worldwide. A million players would need at least 50 or 60 servers, there's no way around it.
It's a commercial flop after all the spouting off about "600K pre orders!" and "Over a million open beta invites!". The silly little piece of crap didn't even outsell Vanguard in North America- or come anywhere close to the sales of the last EQ2 expansion. For all the people saying that everyone has left EQ2, that it is old and tired...well....
EoF EQ2 expansion: 350,000 sales.
LOTRO: 172,000 sales.
You just have to laugh.
Those are 2nd quarter sales. Game launched at end of first quarter. Apr 26.
Ummm...yeah. Spin away.
1st Q- Jan- Mar
2nd Q- Apr-Jun
3rd Q- Jul-Sep
4th Q- Oct-Dec
Face facts- despite the cornfed media and low-standards inspired high ratings, this thing is a flop. No amount of Fanboi wagon circling can disguise it.
I don't believe this game is a failure. Not by a street. I don't even play this BTW, I did do the beta, which I found fun but uninspired. Then again, I found WoW, EQII, L2, and nameless others uninspired. LoTRO has not brought wow numbers, what a surprise. LoTRO *may* have sold fewer boxes than VG, but I highly doubt that as well. Even if they did, I promise LoRTO has more consistent subscribers. Look at where the numbers come from, SOE/Brad numbers vs turbine? I am going with Turbine for accuracy. The point is, this game is spot on for the wow type player, the only thing missing being that wow offered the opposition at launch while lotro offered chickens. They were trying to be different, but tweens like to hack it out online. This seems similar to dnd online which had a much rougher debut. Hopefully, they get their chickens in a bunch and realize high numbers means besting the "other guy" playing the game. This, of course, is not my prescription for the perfect game, but is almost a requirement these days.
That's right America! (NA)!! I think I am turning S. Korean (See 80's song please)....
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Blah, blah, blah - 172k boxes sold in the US is not stellar, not great, not even remarkable. And again, 172k boxes sold doesn't equate to 172k subscriptions - so even if Europe sold the same, around 172k, and the other couple launch areas sold another 172k combined (unlikely) that falls well short of even 700k boxes sold which means subs are not anywhere near 1 million or probably even 200k or so. Face it, at best it is just another MMO and all this meager sales numbers when it is the only thing new out there other than VG which outsold it in a month and is a raving failure.
You can wax on all you want but the numbers do not lie - selling 172,000 copies of a game in the US is not what great, popular, WoW killer games do whether the numbers are for a month or, let alone, and entire quarter after launch. All this for a game released with nearly NO competition and one of the biggest most well know IPs in the genre - the IP that defined the genre in fact.
Im guessing you guys dont have a life to devote so much frustration and time to how well or not so well this title is doing please get a girl/,get a dog, get a job or even better get ya self something worth discussing cause these topics are getting BORING who gives a rats ass if it is selling or not , there are a lot of us out there that like it and a lot that dont i personally think it is time to move on is it not. Seriously have a real good think about it how much of your life are you wasting on these topics seriously it is selling ,it has sold ,and will sell again does this make you any different as a person if it does? NO does it make you any different a person if it don't? NO So get over your egotistic bullshit and get on with life for the love of god i am starting to think the Community here is no better than WOW's community (well some of it) a bunch of kids that just dont know when to grow up.
Yeah, I am going to have to say the 172,000 number is totally bogus. After 3 weeks of searching off and on, there is no place that has actual numbers other than gamespot. If gamespots numbers were true all other sites would have piggy back posted those same numbers but no one did. *edit* Also here is a link that shows they never post specific numbers. I know the link doesn't directly refute the 172k number but it does prove they don't share numbers. http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?p=944083#post944083
Exactly!
It's just pure fabrication, no other way to say it. Why in the world Gamespot decided to assign an arbitrary number of box sales to the number given out by Midway in their quarterly report is beyond me.
I could see them giving it a shot if we knew what percentage of that $10 million was LoTRo, but nobody even knows that! So, they were not only guessing on the percentage that was for LoTRo, but they were guessing on the percentage cut that Midway gets for the box sales! LOL!
I think it's pretty safe to say that GameSpot isn't going to win any awards for journalism any time real soon.
So even that 172.000 sales figure is completely made up and higher than the real sales figures?!
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FYI, I'm still seeing ads in magazines for LOTRO with using statements like "Millions of Players". One Game to Rule Them All". Now, regardless of what numbers people use, I think we can all agree theres not millions of people playing this game, let alone a million. To me, that sounds like pretty shady advertising because they're suggesting that theres many more people playing than there really is.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
I miss DAoC
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
I miss DAoC
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I miss DAoC
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
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evenif 172,000 people dont have activite accounts.... just buying the game is a big supporter of the game..... i think lord of the rings will be around for awhile.... speically sense they are so good at adding extra content and not making them xpacks but i am very fond of xpacks
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
I never said it wasn't a good game, just not AS good as the fanbois claim it is. It has a few interesting concepts and I can see where it can appeal to people. Also, it seemed like a very polished game, even at release. That deserves some credit imo.Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
And if you don't believe me about the ads, go pick up a copy of Maximum PC. I just saw it in there yesterday. That same add has been running for months in a lot of magazines I've read. Theres no way in hell they've had millions of people playing LOTRO since its release.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
The 172k number is completely bogus. It was arrived at by using many assumptions that none of us know. It may be more, it may be less... but the sooner everyone stops using that unverified # the better.The only number that was reported is that Midway (the NA distributer for LoTRo) reported about $10 million in sales for the quarter that LoTRo was released. It was GameStop that reported the number was 172k box sales... however if you do a bit of digging... they arrived at that number completely arbitrarily.
Here is the link to Midway's sales # (the only verifiable # in the whole thread... well that, and 22 servers).
www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12064.html
To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well:
www.midway.com/assets/press/documents/MWY_Q2_2007.pdf
See... trying to include actual, verifiable data... not SPIN. So, those are the numbers that everyone is deriving everything from. Does that number look like it shows box sales for LoTRo in big, bright, bold characters? Heh... nope! So, everyone might just as well stop using that stupid 172k number... it's about as real as the Tooth Fairy!
MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands)
Three Months Ending June 30, 2007
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
I never said it wasn't a good game, just not AS good as the fanbois claim it is. It has a few interesting concepts and I can see where it can appeal to people. Also, it seemed like a very polished game, even at release. That deserves some credit imo.Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
And if you don't believe me about the ads, go pick up a copy of Maximum PC. I just saw it in there yesterday. That same add has been running for months in a lot of magazines I've read. Theres no way in hell they've had millions of people playing LOTRO since its release.
I dont really want to jump on this argument wagon but it is as good as the fanboys say it is because it is there cup of tea not yours obviously, so from what i am reading is that because you say it is not as good as what we say it is then you are correct and we are not?
your opinion is yours and ours is ours and if we say it is good then to us it is good we are not saying that every one has to like it just that we do so please dont tell us it is not good because we are playing it and we are loving it. I can see that you say that you never said it was a bad game so i am not having a dig at you but some people have a liking to certain games and some dont so is either of these gamers wrong? Again i am not saying you are wrong for not liking it just dont understand why we cant claim it to be good when we think it is.
they sold 172,000 just in N America in only 9 weeks. They also had a very successful launch in Eurpw, Japan, and Australia and are currently in beta in China. Servers here in the US are packed, so unless you a Turbine employee you don't have the foggiest idea what the numbers are.
And neither do you. You really think theres millions, or even a million, people playing? Besides, I've been seeing this same add for months now, before all the over seas launch that have supposedly brought in all these new players.
My opinion , your opinion. Game has recieved rave reviews. fanbois of other games live to trash it , that right there says it is a success. by the way like I said servers are absolutly packed.
Servers are packed? I've heard that same thing from swg fanbois. Still, theres no way theres millions of people playing LOTRO.
read thwe other thread dude, people have been getting the " server overload " icon lately. If you are not playing you are just piulling opinions out of your ass. Subscribe and find out for yourself what a grreat game it is.
I did play it. Its not a bad game just not as good as the fanbois say it is. And if you or anyone else believes or tells us that theres a million or millions of people playing then I'm going to have to call shenanigans. That add has been running since release. You mean to tell me millions of people have been playing since the game first came out like the add claims? yeah sure.
To your opinion its not good, to others it is. I myself think this is the best mmorpg ever made to this date.
I never said it wasn't a good game, just not AS good as the fanbois claim it is. It has a few interesting concepts and I can see where it can appeal to people. Also, it seemed like a very polished game, even at release. That deserves some credit imo.Do i care if a million players play it? no...i just enjoy it. and you dont. and Advertsiment everything is bullcrap so please give me a break.
And if you don't believe me about the ads, go pick up a copy of Maximum PC. I just saw it in there yesterday. That same add has been running for months in a lot of magazines I've read. Theres no way in hell they've had millions of people playing LOTRO since its release.
I dont really want to jump on this argument wagon but it is as good as the fanboys say it is because it is there cup of tea not yours obviously, so from what i am reading is that because you say it is not as good as what we say it is then you are correct and we are not?
your opinion is yours and ours is ours and if we say it is good then to us it is good we are not saying that every one has to like it just that we do so please dont tell us it is not good because we are playing it and we are loving it. I can see that you say that you never said it was a bad game so i am not having a dig at you but some people have a liking to certain games and some dont so is either of these gamers wrong? Again i am not saying you are wrong for not liking it just dont understand why we cant claim it to be good when we think it is.
Ignorance and/or insecurity. Plain and simple. Because some people just can't accept a differing point-of-view as being every bit as relevant as theirs. Having an opinion that others may or may not agree with is not enough. Someone *has* to be wrong, and it ain't gonna be them. They have to be "right", period, end of story. This is why many people will try to bolster their comments and try to imply "authority on the subject" with supposed "argument finishers". For example, "It's a fact", or "It's undeniable" or "anyone who's a real gamer..." and so on. Politicians thrive on that mentality, while delivering their talking points, fully hoping the viewers won't see through it (sadly, many don't)
If you read through reviews on Amazon.com, you'll see the same behavior. Reviewers there do the same thing, by lacing their reviews with crap like "Anyone who's a real fan of "such and such" will agree..." So, naturally, if you don't agree with the reviewer's opinion, well, you're obviously not a "real fan" and your opinion doesn't matter. It's ridiculous and transparent. But people do it all the time.
They can't rob you of your opinion, or stop you from experessing it, so they'll do everything they can to render your opinion moot (at least in their mind)... A favored tactic is to play the "fanboy" card. They think the game sucks... and if you don't, you're obviously just a "fanboy", or don't know what a good game really is, or some other nonsense. It's the farthest thing from any realm of possibility, to them, that you might actually just really like the game... and that it's perfectly okay. Nope... They don't like the game, therefor, no one should.
And it all just tumbles, rolls and splatters downhill from there.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Yeah, I am going to have to say the 172,000 number is totally bogus. After 3 weeks of searching off and on, there is no place that has actual numbers other than gamespot. If gamespots numbers were true all other sites would have piggy back posted those same numbers but no one did.
*edit* Also here is a link that shows they never post specific numbers. I know the link doesn't directly refute the 172k number but it does prove they don't share numbers.
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?p=944083#post944083
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
It's just pure fabrication, no other way to say it. Why in the world Gamespot decided to assign an arbitrary number of box sales to the number given out by Midway in their quarterly report is beyond me.
I could see them giving it a shot if we knew what percentage of that $10 million was LoTRo, but nobody even knows that! So, they were not only guessing on the percentage that was for LoTRo, but they were guessing on the percentage cut that Midway gets for the box sales! LOL!
I think it's pretty safe to say that GameSpot isn't going to win any awards for journalism any time real soon.
You are completely delusional. Sales during the quarter DO count pre-orders, and when you consider that 4 out of 5 people who bought a pre-order box and tried the open beta didn't come back and buy the game, the number sounds about right. If the game sold more than a couple hundred thousand, they'd have had to open more servers- period. With the server count they have, there is NO WAY in the world they have more than 250-300K active players worldwide. A million players would need at least 50 or 60 servers, there's no way around it.
It's a commercial flop after all the spouting off about "600K pre orders!" and "Over a million open beta invites!". The silly little piece of crap didn't even outsell Vanguard in North America- or come anywhere close to the sales of the last EQ2 expansion. For all the people saying that everyone has left EQ2, that it is old and tired...well....
EoF EQ2 expansion: 350,000 sales.
LOTRO: 172,000 sales.
You just have to laugh.
Those are 2nd quarter sales. Game launched at end of first quarter. Apr 26.
Ummm...yeah. Spin away.1st Q- Jan- Mar
2nd Q- Apr-Jun
3rd Q- Jul-Sep
4th Q- Oct-Dec
Face facts- despite the cornfed media and low-standards inspired high ratings, this thing is a flop. No amount of Fanboi wagon circling can disguise it.
I don't believe this game is a failure. Not by a street. I don't even play this BTW, I did do the beta, which I found fun but uninspired. Then again, I found WoW, EQII, L2, and nameless others uninspired. LoTRO has not brought wow numbers, what a surprise. LoTRO *may* have sold fewer boxes than VG, but I highly doubt that as well. Even if they did, I promise LoRTO has more consistent subscribers. Look at where the numbers come from, SOE/Brad numbers vs turbine? I am going with Turbine for accuracy. The point is, this game is spot on for the wow type player, the only thing missing being that wow offered the opposition at launch while lotro offered chickens. They were trying to be different, but tweens like to hack it out online. This seems similar to dnd online which had a much rougher debut. Hopefully, they get their chickens in a bunch and realize high numbers means besting the "other guy" playing the game. This, of course, is not my prescription for the perfect game, but is almost a requirement these days.
That's right America! (NA)!! I think I am turning S. Korean (See 80's song please)....
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
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Im guessing you guys dont have a life to devote so much frustration and time to how well or not so well this title is doing please get a girl/,get a dog, get a job or even better get ya self something worth discussing cause these topics are getting BORING who gives a rats ass if it is selling or not , there are a lot of us out there that like it and a lot that dont i personally think it is time to move on is it not. Seriously have a real good think about it how much of your life are you wasting on these topics seriously it is selling ,it has sold ,and will sell again does this make you any different as a person if it does? NO does it make you any different a person if it don't? NO So get over your egotistic bullshit and get on with life for the love of god i am starting to think the Community here is no better than WOW's community (well some of it) a bunch of kids that just dont know when to grow up.
It's just pure fabrication, no other way to say it. Why in the world Gamespot decided to assign an arbitrary number of box sales to the number given out by Midway in their quarterly report is beyond me.
I could see them giving it a shot if we knew what percentage of that $10 million was LoTRo, but nobody even knows that! So, they were not only guessing on the percentage that was for LoTRo, but they were guessing on the percentage cut that Midway gets for the box sales! LOL!
I think it's pretty safe to say that GameSpot isn't going to win any awards for journalism any time real soon.
So even that 172.000 sales figure is completely made up and higher than the real sales figures?!