Does Vanguard have "trains" like in EQ? A "train" is when a party of adventurers tackles more or tougher monsters than they can handle, resulting in the heroes running for safety while monsters pursue and sometimes peel off and attacking innocent bystanders. While I am not condoning intentional trains that cause grief, the accidental trains are quite fun experiences and add to immersion.
Oh god i miss that so much! it made going afk in dangerous places so much more realistic. HaHa remember Karnors castle? that place was heroic for trains Unfortunately if a mob has travelled away from it's point and it either kills its target or gives up it will out run back to its previous spot. But you can attack it as it runs back which is something
Some say it does have trains, some say not. To me a "train" is a pulled mob that can aggro an innocent bystander.
Originally posted by VultureSkull Last night after the patch the performance improved tremendously, and performance goes a long way in improving the overall experience.
I'm going to point something out and hopefully not get called a troll, but it is worth mentioning for a perspectives sake.
It is comments like this that make reviews like those of the original poster hard to believe. Time and again I've read people (not just the OP) talking about how much each patch has drastically improved performance and how smooth the game plays or how it is on equal footing with some of the most polished games on the market right now. That is great news, but if the latest patch improved performance "tremendously" then how were things really since the patch before that which also increased performance to the same degree. I keep seeing these people talk about how flawlessly that game plays, but then a new patch comes out and it has some new dramatic effect that makes the game even more playable. See what I am saying?
Its just hard to take those comments as being objective when they keep getting repeated by people trying to "promote" the game to attract new players. Especially when they look almost like a company press release.
I'm not trying point fingers at you honestly. I've really enjoyed your comments and found them to be balanced, so I apologize ahead of time if it looks like I'm painting you in a bad light.
Thats a very fair post friend.
I think when people are saying it improves things drastically they are in the same boat as me. Each time they game gets patched i seem to be able to turn something else on or up. 6 months ago i could only play on lowest settings which any who play know is rubbish. Once i got to medium settings the graphics were on a par with eq2 at best! but with each patch i can turn it up a bit and the game is now starting to look like it should.
Maybe we should be careful what we are putting on the boards as i would hate to think i mislead someone into believing the game was perfect only for them to be dissapointed and leave for this reason. I would prefer to tell the truth..the game has improved 300% since lauch but there are still problems and you still need a decent PC to run it. NO scratch that.. you need a PC with at least 2 gig and gforce 7 series or above ( or comparable) to run the game. The still needs more polish. and there are small things like, Helmets, tails and more facial features/animations that need adding before we can call this game great!
I have a Station account, and have had Vanguard since launch. I came up with a reliable way to crash the game in 23 minutes (it can be reproduced 100% of the time). I use to fill out a bug report every time I ran the test (which was once a month after I stopped playing). It has nothing to do with my machine (I have a 3 machines that it can be tested on, all crashed in 23 minutes).
So first the good news. It did not crash upon entering the last chuck near Veskal's Exchange, and the overall performance on average was much better. .
and the bad, it crashed 2 chunks late upon returning to Halgarad, in 28 minutes.
I would still like to play the game, but things like this just drives me nuts.
The practical issues are... If you haven't played the latest game update (or even one in the last month) you can't really comment on the state of the game, without you sounding like a troll who has nothing better to do than diss games he doesn't play (and may never have). Bugs, yes VG has bugs but name one game that doesn't, they are very rare and extremely rare in MMORPGs. I can't think of one game I have played that didnt have bugs, including games like Eve, WoW, EQ1, EQ2 etc Not one of these games was anywhere near pristine. Performance has increased this patch a little, game update 3.1 was the major performance fix (a month ago) and things are running pretty well. Again if you want an amazing looking game, buy an amazing rig, don't expect your 4 year old machine to look brilliant, it wont happen. Whilst I dont like the title of this forum, to me Vanguard was never broken, just not complete. I am sure many people will say idiotic things like "your playing a beta" because the game gets regularly updated and fixed, da...
Well, some other practical issues are:
Although I haven't played since one month past the launch, I can comment on the state of the game. I can read, and from what I'm seeing, is that there really isn't a single VG player who can't name off 3 or 4 bugs they've experienced recently. Might be in the quests, or the pathing, or the crafting, or still getting BSOD's, but never the less, there are still bugs.
But besides all that, I can appreciate the great changes they've made, but the game is still broken from my perspective. I enjoy the PVP side of games, and from what I can tell little improvement has been made with regards to that style of gameplay. In fact, the very server type that I started on, faction vs faction, no longer exists and my character has been transferred to a FFA server that suffers from extraordinary amounts of hacking and some very strange rule sets.
Also, the end game hasn't changed, and never will. VG is designed like WOW, LotRO and EQ; the end game consists of PVE raiding and probably level increases (should it last that long), and that style of game does not appeal to me. So VG will never be my type of game.
The OP's original title and thread were way over the top, it came across as viral marketing and of course, will draw trolls like moths to a flame.
Dude you dont have a perspective you have second hand information!
Man where do you get off! Well i guess it takes all sorts of people to make up the world!
If this style of gaming doesn't appeal to you what in Gods name are you doing looking at the VG forums?
I don't beleive in Trolls other wise you may be consider one yourself, do you have a job? Cause it seems that you have nothing better to do than to read about things that don't interest you!
There's a lot of things in life that I don't have direct experience with yet consider myself fairly well informed about. Well i am happy that it is you who consider yourself fairly well informed and not someone else.
BTW I consider myself king of the world!
Second hand doesn't necessarily mean incorrect or inaccurate, and I take care to discern as best I can the flaming posts from the factual information provided by many forum posters.
"Second hand information doesnt necessarily mean incorrect or in accurate" and it doesnt actually mean accurate or correct either.
Second hand is open to interpretation, so you dont know for sure, so dont use them to make factual statements.
Where do I get off? Hmm, why so much anger? I'm just a random forum poster making a comment in a thread regarding a game that I have played and still follow.
Anger comes from you coming on to a forum with inaccurate information and making out like it is correct.
For example you saying that all VG players still have bugs, this is incorrect and you have made an assumption on second hand information and then portray it as fact. If you can't see what is wrong with that then you should not even consider debating with others.
As to the style of gaming, I'm just pointing out why the game hasn't changed for me, (which might be a concern for others) and not being overly critical of VG I don't believe.
As for reading about what interests me, VG and all things gaming interest me and as you can tell from my post count, I comment a lot about various subjects. (I also read most of the active threads in these forums, even when I don't post)Each to their own, ok it seems you are not intreseted in playing VG, i guess you are just interested in MMO in general, fair enough.
If that makes me a troll, then I guess I welcome the title.
As for the job comment, yes, I spend about 60 hours a week in my office, and these posting diversions help break up the day.
Oh god i miss that so much! it made going afk in dangerous places so much more realistic. HaHa remember Karnors castle? that place was heroic for trains Unfortunately if a mob has travelled away from it's point and it either kills its target or gives up it will out run back to its previous spot. But you can attack it as it runs back which is something
Some say it does have trains, some say not. To me a "train" is a pulled mob that can aggro an innocent bystander.
I think if they are very close to it's starting point it can agro, but if it has moved away they run back to origanal posistion but i may be wrong i know at times someone has ran past me with a mob 10 levels above me and when the player it was chasing was out of range it ran straight past me. In eq they used to walk slowly back while looking for others to kill at the same time. I wish VG worked the same
Originally posted by VultureSkull Last night after the patch the performance improved tremendously, and performance goes a long way in improving the overall experience.
I'm going to point something out and hopefully not get called a troll, but it is worth mentioning for a perspectives sake.
It is comments like this that make reviews like those of the original poster hard to believe. Time and again I've read people (not just the OP) talking about how much each patch has drastically improved performance and how smooth the game plays or how it is on equal footing with some of the most polished games on the market right now. That is great news, but if the latest patch improved performance "tremendously" then how were things really since the patch before that which also increased performance to the same degree. I keep seeing these people talk about how flawlessly that game plays, but then a new patch comes out and it has some new dramatic effect that makes the game even more playable. See what I am saying?
Its just hard to take those comments as being objective when they keep getting repeated by people trying to "promote" the game to attract new players. Especially when they look almost like a company press release.
I'm not trying point fingers at you honestly. I've really enjoyed your comments and found them to be balanced, so I apologize ahead of time if it looks like I'm painting you in a bad light.
All be honest with you ive been playing sence day 1 and i havent noticed alot of performance gains myself but than i again i could allways play the game every setting maxed with little trouble but what they have fixed in my case is i dont crash anymore and the game is smoother forsure like before i use to turn down my settings to go into khal or new targonor, now i run into any city with every setting maxed i actually get better FPS in khal than i do in WOW main burning crusade city
I think that the performance gains really vary from person to person depending on there computer it hasnt affected high end machines as much as people with mid range machine
Personally i dont care if any of you ever play or come back to vanguard it dosent affect me in the lest i have a great guild and have a great time playing
Boy, if Vanguard really improved the 50-500% some enthusiasts claim it does every single patch, I should go in expecting 200 FPS with instant chunking and hitching non-existent. But because I've heard that a few times before, and re-subscribed due to being misled a few times before, I believe I'll be a bit skeptical.
'specially with the inclusion of a "few more months". All Vanguard has ever needed was a "few more months". You sure it'll be after these "few more months"? Promise?
Unfortunately you have threads like these that detract from any legitimate improvements SOE makes to the game, in attempts to lure resubscribers back with too large of expections. It's detrimental to the game and has wasted a lot of resubscribers second, third, fourth, fifth impressions.
SOE themselves are holding back on a free trial and promotional campaign for a reason, they know Vanguard isn't in any shape to "Win Back" resubscribers yet, because the issues they quit over haven't been fully rectified. Sadly SOE has to deal with folk who build false momentum that naturally crashes upon itself.
But sure. Yes, Vanguard is fixed now. Since Vanguard being fixed means its the greatest MMO ever by default; lets bring those other nine or so servers back up, then triple that server total to accomodate the million or so players that'll now come!
Or! Let's hold off on a pitch like that until there's at least a chance of tricking more than a handful of resubscribers who're already skeptical of when to experience their sixth impression of Vanguard. Try it again when free trials are released, truth.
Less than 24 hours after a major patch and already the reports of "VG is FIXED!!!" are in? Seems a bit early and highly speculative to me.
On a side note, it seems they FINALLY made non-work order crafting recipes yield XP. So, perhaps pure adventurers can find gear at reasonable prices now.
Originally posted by VultureSkull Last night after the patch the performance improved tremendously, and performance goes a long way in improving the overall experience.
I'm going to point something out and hopefully not get called a troll, but it is worth mentioning for a perspectives sake.
It is comments like this that make reviews like those of the original poster hard to believe. Time and again I've read people (not just the OP) talking about how much each patch has drastically improved performance and how smooth the game plays or how it is on equal footing with some of the most polished games on the market right now. That is great news, but if the latest patch improved performance "tremendously" then how were things really since the patch before that which also increased performance to the same degree. I keep seeing these people talk about how flawlessly that game plays, but then a new patch comes out and it has some new dramatic effect that makes the game even more playable. See what I am saying?
Its just hard to take those comments as being objective when they keep getting repeated by people trying to "promote" the game to attract new players. Especially when they look almost like a company press release.
I'm not trying point fingers at you honestly. I've really enjoyed your comments and found them to be balanced, so I apologize ahead of time if it looks like I'm painting you in a bad light.
"tremendously" is a little strong i admit. But then again it is about my preception, if my fps went up by 6-7 frames, somemight call that slight performance gain, but this will depend on what your fps was, if it was around 24fps and then went up to 30 the precieved performance would be greater than going from 60 to 67, because the eye is said to only see slow down at 24 fps and below.
Yesterday i went from Medium High Textures to High, and increased specualr lighting to max, and increased Atmospheric distoration to max from 0. and i was still getting 60 FPS. I have never increased so many things in a game and still maintained a high frame rate, i was impressed, and hence i used a strong word like i did.
I did not intend to mislead anyone. Even though i have no qualms in promoting the game to get more people to play as i beleive it is a good game.
1. Oh, yes, you have trains in Vanguard that are reminiscent of Everquest 1. [I do not think that the trains are as bad as EQ 1, though. Hehe.]
2. Performance has, for me, increased the most since I have played Vanguard. I am basically at around 95% consistently with a drop while in dungeons and/or cities.
3. The patch is a breakthrough. I think it is not limited to performance but finally "fixing" the game by implementing several measures --(a) optimization, (b) reduction of server lag, (c) occulsion, (d) other-- that makes the game much more enjoyable. When your system can run Vanguard, you can really appreciate the game for what it is. Vanguard has a certain je ne sais quoi to it, and I suspect it is its world. Its wide, open, diverse, dangerous, and beautiful world.
4. I have not check out the raid stuff yet. I am not a big raider, but I definitely intend to obtain access to APW and then raid a bit.
5. I am really more excited about the environmental raid stuff. I like to hit named mobs, with a group (less so with a raid) and move on to something else. It is exciting when you log-in and a friend says, "(rare mob's name) is up. Let's go!"
6. Other features from a new, improved and more intuitive map to being able to hold 50 Quests from 20. Thank God for that!
----- WoW and fast food = commercial successes. I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
"tremendously" is a little strong i admit. But then again it is about my preception, if my fps went up by 6-7 frames, somemight call that slight performance gain, but this will depend on what your fps was, if it was around 24fps and then went up to 30 the precieved performance would be greater than going from 60 to 67, because the eye is said to only see slow down at 24 fps and below. Yesterday i went from Medium High Textures to High, and increased specualr lighting to max, and increased Atmospheric distoration to max from 0. and i was still getting 60 FPS. I have never increased so many things in a game and still maintained a high frame rate, i was impressed, and hence i used a strong word like i did. I did not intend to mislead anyone. Even though i have no qualms in promoting the game to get more people to play as i beleive it is a good game.
I find what you write very believable which is in sharp contrast to some people who keep claiming the game already runs crystal smooth until the next patch comes out. Then it is yet another story of "the biggest performance boost ever!" which just contradicts what they posted earlier. I don't think people realize it is just as hard to sift through that fanatical supporters as it is to get through the hate. Saying the game is fixed will just do a disservice if people return only to fall through the world, CTD or whatever.
I don't think you were misleading at all. In fact I understood what you were saying as it didn't sound like a SOE press release trying to draw in players. I guess what I am trying to say is thanks for posting your experiences.
Originally posted by Daffid011 I find what you write very believable which is in sharp contrast to some people who keep claiming the game already runs crystal smooth until the next patch comes out. Then it is yet another story of "the biggest performance boost ever!" which just contradicts what they posted earlier. I don't think people realize it is just as hard to sift through that fanatical supporters as it is to get through the hate. Saying the game is fixed will just do a disservice if people return only to fall through the world, CTD or whatever.
I don't think you were misleading at all. In fact I understood what you were saying as it didn't sound like a SOE press release trying to draw in players. I guess what I am trying to say is thanks for posting your experiences.
The game is fixed because Update 3 has improved those areas that prevented people from enjoying Vanguard due to performance. My performance is around 95% since Update 3.
Server lag reduced
Character Occulsion
Improved UI
Other: improved map, more Quests, raid content, etc.
I am neither providing a "service" nor "disservice." I know you really believe that I post on MMORPG with the purpose and intent to obtain more subscribers to Vanguard. Although I will provide an updated review of Vanguard because of the breakthrough of Update 3, please see my review of Vanguard to speculate about my purpose and intent www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/157317.*
*In case you wondered, I post on MMORPG because it is fun.
----- WoW and fast food = commercial successes. I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Don't care, its going to take more than someone (or several someones) posting that Vanguard is fixed, to entice alot of the original game purchasers back.
We wont be fooled by the is fixed, but hey, we aint going to fork out a months subscription either to take a look, as far as i am concerned this game died 2 mths after release and isnt worth the money or the time to go and take another look at it.
Vanguard is NOT fixed that's wrong ! Coming back from VG ! Tried GU3. VG works much better than yesterday (GU2) ok but it's not fixed.
SOE proposes now Game Update 3
Next one will be GU4 with helmets and flying mounts.
MAYBE with next GU: 4, VG will be a final release. Now its"' always a beta. Most of bugs aren't fixed, pet buggy swimming buggy as yesterday, empty areas, even with a BIG PC it's hard to play, my pet disappears on dungeon etc.
SOE made a really NICE work on it for sure, but it's not fnished. SOE needs time to fix VG, if you come back to VG thinking all work has been done, you 'll be disappointed. Think about what I say: VG works better, much better but not fixed yet. (a lot of work to do)
I can say i'm really a fan of VG (maybe a fanboy), but i don' want see new people coming without telling them the truth before. if you come you'll pay for beta, be sure: you'll pay for improvements. not for a final release. VG is not ready yet. VG can become a GREAT mmo (maybe best one) in few months
Not now. If you're looking NOW for a nice and polished MMO, take DAOC or lotro ( boring imo ^^...) or Eq2 ! VG needs time to improve.
If u can wait , VG could be your next PvE MMO. (future of EQ)
VG isn't ready yet.
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"Well, people enjoy Vanguard for what it is, and to tell the truth, playing today I dont experience more bugs than I experience in games like EQ2 or any other MMO, maybe it is just not your cup of tea, but it is the most immersive and deep fantasy pve MMO on the market, and even the upcoming ones wont have the good details Vanguard have."
Wrong
VG IS my cup of tea (and coffee) but i stop VG few time, waiting for GU4 now. GU3 is only the beginning...Playing now EQ2 because it's polished game, finished game.
VG's community is nice, cool online but you can't say I dont experience more bugs than I experience in games like EQ2 or any other MMO" . Lotro isn't my cup of tea at all but works BETTER than Vanguard lol.
Vanguard is NOT fixed that's wrong ! Coming back from VG ! Tried GU3. VG works much better than yesterday (GU2) ok but it's not fixed.
SOE proposes now Game Update 3 Next one will be GU4 with helmets and flying mounts. MAYBE with next GU: 4, VG will be a final release. Now its"' always a beta. Most of bugs aren't fixed, pet buggy swimming buggy as yesterday, empty areas, even with a BIG PC it's hard to play, my pet disappears on dungeon etc.
SOE made a really NICE work on it for sure, but it's not fnished. SOE needs time to fix VG, if you come back to VG thinking all work has been done, you 'll be disappointed. Think about what I say: VG works better, much better but not fixed yet. (a lot of work to do)
I can say i'm really a fan of VG (maybe a fanboy), but i don' want see new people coming without telling them the truth before. if you come you'll pay for beta, be sure: you'll pay for improvements. not for a final release. VG is not ready yet. VG can become a GREAT mmo (maybe best one) in few months
Not now. If you're looking NOW for a nice and polished MMO, take DAOC or lotro ( boring imo ^^...) or Eq2 ! VG needs time to improve. If u can wait , VG could be your next PvE MMO. (future of EQ) VG isn't ready yet.
I stand corrected, yet another honest post about the current state of VG.
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+1 for me and for all players (cf chan.) but not enough when i think about lotro or eq2 !
- we have a nice map ok lol
- 1st raid
- holiday's event: cool and nice, ok, works fine Really funny that's right
- khal changed (design)
No more no less. I Wait now for GU4 and maybe VG will be ready for next STEP: more content. SOE is working hard now on performances. Imo GU5 will be the moment for a come back. (or GU6)
War and Aoc will be PVP games
VG can become one of the best PVE games in summer 2008 /october 2008.
Still in beta but I can say now I believe again in VG, since GU3. (thought yesterday it was dead. )
But it's not fixed
1° imo: VG has a great potential
GU2 = Alpha
GU3 = Beta2
GU4 = Beta 3
GU5 = final release
GU6= more content
OR.... (lol) VG had a great potential ^^
2 ° VG dies before GU6 killed by Lotro-addon , Wow 2nd addon or AOC/War
Boy, if Vanguard really improved the 50-500% some enthusiasts claim it does every single patch, I should go in expecting 200 FPS with instant chunking and hitching non-existent. But because I've heard that a few times before, and re-subscribed due to being misled a few times before, I believe I'll be a bit skeptical.
'specially with the inclusion of a "few more months". All Vanguard has ever needed was a "few more months". You sure it'll be after these "few more months"? Promise?
Unfortunately you have threads like these that detract from any legitimate improvements SOE makes to the game, in attempts to lure resubscribers back with too large of expections. It's detrimental to the game and has wasted a lot of resubscribers second, third, fourth, fifth impressions.
SOE themselves are holding back on a free trial and promotional campaign for a reason, they know Vanguard isn't in any shape to "Win Back" resubscribers yet, because the issues they quit over haven't been fully rectified. Sadly SOE has to deal with folk who build false momentum that naturally crashes upon itself.
But sure. Yes, Vanguard is fixed now. Since Vanguard being fixed means its the greatest MMO ever by default; lets bring those other nine or so servers back up, then triple that server total to accomodate the million or so players that'll now come!
Or! Let's hold off on a pitch like that until there's at least a chance of tricking more than a handful of resubscribers who're already skeptical of when to experience their sixth impression of Vanguard. Try it again when free trials are released, truth.
Less than 24 hours after a major patch and already the reports of "VG is FIXED!!!" are in? Seems a bit early and highly speculative to me.
On a side note, it seems they FINALLY made non-work order crafting recipes yield XP. So, perhaps pure adventurers can find gear at reasonable prices now.
why do you keep posting links to the VG forums they mean nothing ,do you think everyone else hasent played any other games or what.
Me and my wife played WOW We stopped about a little over a year ago and both of us dreaded holidays because blizzard couldnt even patch in there holiday content without borking there servers.For about 3 or 4 days after the lag and high pings would be almost so bad you could hardly play the game I would take my rogue to buy poison stand there clicking on things and what the heck nothing is happening screw this walk away and 5 minutes or so later you would hear the sound it makes when you bought something so you look in your bags and sure as s--t for everytime you click something it would be in your bags about 10 times the amount you needed
it was a big patch there's bound to be a few things that didnt get caught during testing its nothing new to anyone whos played PC games not to vanguard or any game even one that have been running for years
Patrikd23, you are free to think whatever you want, but isnt normal if someone enjoy and play a game to express your point of view in a forum especialized on this game? Somepeople always enjoyed the concept of Vanguard but some of this people were disapointed on release,but the game improved, so, isnt normal the same people express that now, finally are having a good time ingame? Do you prefer to play silly and belive everyone that say anything good about Vanguard is hired by SOE?
You analysed pretty good what I wrote, and yes i was very very dissapointed at the game and how they could release crap like that without fixing bugs before , and I am not talking about small bugs here. There always comes up bugs after release I know that but not as many as Vanguard had on release.
Concept was ok alot like EQ2 though but what I really liked with Vanguard was the Crafting I was both impressed and happy about it , and I also liked the harvesting. Other than that I regret buying it at release.
And about that I think everyone is hired by SOE that talks good about it is not true but I was just surpriced that it sound more like they are trying to pursuade people to play it than telling people its good now, adn they only look at the possitive stuff about it.
I mean I for one didnt buy the game to pay every month to look for bugs and waste my time when I can enjoy some other game that I dont have to pay for to be a so called "Betatester / Bug reporter"
I'm a ex-van hater/ now resub. I can say for 100% sure the game as easily improved 300% since release if not 10x that. I used to be just like all the rest of you posting disgust and hate for the game but things have changed. As you can see from the declining hate threads in the forums. You need to go back and try the game again, if you once had high hopes for the game but were disappointed upon release. Its literally not the same game.
I used to play Vanguard wayy back at release, got myself the collectors edition lived through all the early problems, but cancled once the bugs got out of hand for me...
So now I come here to look for information about the game, see how its improved becuase I plan on getting station access soon... and this is what I see?
Pages and pages of people trying to tell the Vanguard players that their game sucks and they should play XYZ? If those games are so awesome, go play em, and stop posting in other forums. I'm tired of trying to read about ANY game on MMORPG.com becuase this is all it is, page after page of flames!
Are people just incable of letting others play what they want? Why must some people be a missah!? *breathe*
Apologies for my rant. Anyways, back in the day I had a Cleric on the middle eastern themed island (forget its name) just wondering how the game is now? Hows cleric these days (seemed a tad overpowered back then so I wouldn't be suprised to hear they got nerfed) I've read lots about this update, and every single one of my friends who I asked about it has only been able to tell me about how much its improved.
What can I expect when i go back? Any DRASTIC changes I should be aware of (EQ2 required some huge re-adjustment )
Also, as an aside, the biggest thing thta attracted me to Vanguard orginally was the world. It looked and felt so lush and alive. Also what happned to Fellowships?
I used to play Vanguard wayy back at release, got myself the collectors edition lived through all the early problems, but cancled once the bugs got out of hand for me...
So now I come here to look for information about the game, see how its improved becuase I plan on getting station access soon... and this is what I see?
Pages and pages of people trying to tell the Vanguard players that their game sucks and they should play XYZ? If those games are so awesome, go play em, and stop posting in other forums. I'm tired of trying to read about ANY game on MMORPG.com becuase this is all it is, page after page of flames!
Are people just incable of letting others play what they want? Why must some people be a missah!? *breathe*
Apologies for my rant. Anyways, back in the day I had a Cleric on the middle eastern themed island (forget its name) just wondering how the game is now? Hows cleric these days (seemed a tad overpowered back then so I wouldn't be suprised to hear they got nerfed) I've read lots about this update, and every single one of my friends who I asked about it has only been able to tell me about how much its improved. What can I expect when i go back? Any DRASTIC changes I should be aware of (EQ2 required some huge re-adjustment )
Also, as an aside, the biggest thing thta attracted me to Vanguard orginally was the world. It looked and felt so lush and alive. Also what happned to Fellowships?
Thanks
I just resubbed as a result of all the hype. I would say its a mixed bag.
Yes it is more stable. Yes some features finally made it in.
However, still no helms, I still freeze when chunking, The game still has very little polish. Ports rather than boats still ferry you because they can't make em work.
If you liked it before chances are you will be happy with its state. If you left unhappy you will probably still be unhappy with it.
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Ya you bet it does
Some say it does have trains, some say not. To me a "train" is a pulled mob that can aggro an innocent bystander.
I'm going to point something out and hopefully not get called a troll, but it is worth mentioning for a perspectives sake.
It is comments like this that make reviews like those of the original poster hard to believe. Time and again I've read people (not just the OP) talking about how much each patch has drastically improved performance and how smooth the game plays or how it is on equal footing with some of the most polished games on the market right now. That is great news, but if the latest patch improved performance "tremendously" then how were things really since the patch before that which also increased performance to the same degree. I keep seeing these people talk about how flawlessly that game plays, but then a new patch comes out and it has some new dramatic effect that makes the game even more playable. See what I am saying?
Its just hard to take those comments as being objective when they keep getting repeated by people trying to "promote" the game to attract new players. Especially when they look almost like a company press release.
I'm not trying point fingers at you honestly. I've really enjoyed your comments and found them to be balanced, so I apologize ahead of time if it looks like I'm painting you in a bad light.
Thats a very fair post friend.I think when people are saying it improves things drastically they are in the same boat as me. Each time they game gets patched i seem to be able to turn something else on or up. 6 months ago i could only play on lowest settings which any who play know is rubbish. Once i got to medium settings the graphics were on a par with eq2 at best! but with each patch i can turn it up a bit and the game is now starting to look like it should.
Maybe we should be careful what we are putting on the boards as i would hate to think i mislead someone into believing the game was perfect only for them to be dissapointed and leave for this reason. I would prefer to tell the truth..the game has improved 300% since lauch but there are still problems and you still need a decent PC to run it. NO scratch that.. you need a PC with at least 2 gig and gforce 7 series or above ( or comparable) to run the game. The still needs more polish. and there are small things like, Helmets, tails and more facial features/animations that need adding before we can call this game great!
I have a Station account, and have had Vanguard since launch. I came up with a reliable way to crash the game in 23 minutes (it can be reproduced 100% of the time). I use to fill out a bug report every time I ran the test (which was once a month after I stopped playing). It has nothing to do with my machine (I have a 3 machines that it can be tested on, all crashed in 23 minutes).
So first the good news. It did not crash upon entering the last chuck near Veskal's Exchange, and the overall performance on average was much better. .
and the bad, it crashed 2 chunks late upon returning to Halgarad, in 28 minutes.
I would still like to play the game, but things like this just drives me nuts.
Well, some other practical issues are:
Although I haven't played since one month past the launch, I can comment on the state of the game. I can read, and from what I'm seeing, is that there really isn't a single VG player who can't name off 3 or 4 bugs they've experienced recently. Might be in the quests, or the pathing, or the crafting, or still getting BSOD's, but never the less, there are still bugs.
But besides all that, I can appreciate the great changes they've made, but the game is still broken from my perspective. I enjoy the PVP side of games, and from what I can tell little improvement has been made with regards to that style of gameplay. In fact, the very server type that I started on, faction vs faction, no longer exists and my character has been transferred to a FFA server that suffers from extraordinary amounts of hacking and some very strange rule sets.
Also, the end game hasn't changed, and never will. VG is designed like WOW, LotRO and EQ; the end game consists of PVE raiding and probably level increases (should it last that long), and that style of game does not appeal to me. So VG will never be my type of game.
The OP's original title and thread were way over the top, it came across as viral marketing and of course, will draw trolls like moths to a flame.
Dude you dont have a perspective you have second hand information!
Man where do you get off! Well i guess it takes all sorts of people to make up the world!
If this style of gaming doesn't appeal to you what in Gods name are you doing looking at the VG forums?
I don't beleive in Trolls other wise you may be consider one yourself, do you have a job? Cause it seems that you have nothing better to do than to read about things that don't interest you!
There's a lot of things in life that I don't have direct experience with yet consider myself fairly well informed about. Well i am happy that it is you who consider yourself fairly well informed and not someone else.
BTW I consider myself king of the world!
Second hand doesn't necessarily mean incorrect or inaccurate, and I take care to discern as best I can the flaming posts from the factual information provided by many forum posters.
"Second hand information doesnt necessarily mean incorrect or in accurate" and it doesnt actually mean accurate or correct either.
Second hand is open to interpretation, so you dont know for sure, so dont use them to make factual statements.
Where do I get off? Hmm, why so much anger? I'm just a random forum poster making a comment in a thread regarding a game that I have played and still follow.
Anger comes from you coming on to a forum with inaccurate information and making out like it is correct.
For example you saying that all VG players still have bugs, this is incorrect and you have made an assumption on second hand information and then portray it as fact. If you can't see what is wrong with that then you should not even consider debating with others.
As to the style of gaming, I'm just pointing out why the game hasn't changed for me, (which might be a concern for others) and not being overly critical of VG I don't believe.
As for reading about what interests me, VG and all things gaming interest me and as you can tell from my post count, I comment a lot about various subjects. (I also read most of the active threads in these forums, even when I don't post)Each to their own, ok it seems you are not intreseted in playing VG, i guess you are just interested in MMO in general, fair enough.
If that makes me a troll, then I guess I welcome the title.
As for the job comment, yes, I spend about 60 hours a week in my office, and these posting diversions help break up the day.
Some say it does have trains, some say not. To me a "train" is a pulled mob that can aggro an innocent bystander.
I think if they are very close to it's starting point it can agro, but if it has moved away they run back to origanal posistion but i may be wrong
i know at times someone has ran past me with a mob 10 levels above me and when the player it was chasing was out of range it ran straight past me. In eq they used to walk slowly back while looking for others to kill at the same time. I wish VG worked the same 
I'm going to point something out and hopefully not get called a troll, but it is worth mentioning for a perspectives sake.
It is comments like this that make reviews like those of the original poster hard to believe. Time and again I've read people (not just the OP) talking about how much each patch has drastically improved performance and how smooth the game plays or how it is on equal footing with some of the most polished games on the market right now. That is great news, but if the latest patch improved performance "tremendously" then how were things really since the patch before that which also increased performance to the same degree. I keep seeing these people talk about how flawlessly that game plays, but then a new patch comes out and it has some new dramatic effect that makes the game even more playable. See what I am saying?
Its just hard to take those comments as being objective when they keep getting repeated by people trying to "promote" the game to attract new players. Especially when they look almost like a company press release.
I'm not trying point fingers at you honestly. I've really enjoyed your comments and found them to be balanced, so I apologize ahead of time if it looks like I'm painting you in a bad light.
All be honest with you ive been playing sence day 1 and i havent noticed alot of performance gains myself but than i again i could allways play the game every setting maxed with little trouble but what they have fixed in my case is i dont crash anymore and the game is smoother forsure like before i use to turn down my settings to go into khal or new targonor, now i run into any city with every setting maxed i actually get better FPS in khal than i do in WOW main burning crusade cityI think that the performance gains really vary from person to person depending on there computer it hasnt affected high end machines as much as people with mid range machine
Personally i dont care if any of you ever play or come back to vanguard it dosent affect me in the lest i have a great guild and have a great time playing
Ahh damn that felt good. My account doesent expire until 18th december, so I:
1. Logged in
2. Travelled around
3. Sighed and thought "Damn this sucks"
4. Did a /who all lfg and /who all lfm and laughed
5.Mailed all my cash to a low level character
6. Logged out
7. Deinstalled Vanguard
8. Ahhh 18GB free space on that drive
Sayonara VG:SOH. It was a nice try, better luck next time
And ehhh. The title "Vanguard is fixed!" yeah right lol
'specially with the inclusion of a "few more months". All Vanguard has ever needed was a "few more months". You sure it'll be after these "few more months"? Promise?
Unfortunately you have threads like these that detract from any legitimate improvements SOE makes to the game, in attempts to lure resubscribers back with too large of expections. It's detrimental to the game and has wasted a lot of resubscribers second, third, fourth, fifth impressions.
SOE themselves are holding back on a free trial and promotional campaign for a reason, they know Vanguard isn't in any shape to "Win Back" resubscribers yet, because the issues they quit over haven't been fully rectified. Sadly SOE has to deal with folk who build false momentum that naturally crashes upon itself.
But sure. Yes, Vanguard is fixed now. Since Vanguard being fixed means its the greatest MMO ever by default; lets bring those other nine or so servers back up, then triple that server total to accomodate the million or so players that'll now come!
Or! Let's hold off on a pitch like that until there's at least a chance of tricking more than a handful of resubscribers who're already skeptical of when to experience their sixth impression of Vanguard. Try it again when free trials are released, truth.
Less than 24 hours after a major patch and already the reports of "VG is FIXED!!!" are in? Seems a bit early and highly speculative to me.
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=23803
On a side note, it seems they FINALLY made non-work order crafting recipes yield XP. So, perhaps pure adventurers can find gear at reasonable prices now.
I'm going to point something out and hopefully not get called a troll, but it is worth mentioning for a perspectives sake.
It is comments like this that make reviews like those of the original poster hard to believe. Time and again I've read people (not just the OP) talking about how much each patch has drastically improved performance and how smooth the game plays or how it is on equal footing with some of the most polished games on the market right now. That is great news, but if the latest patch improved performance "tremendously" then how were things really since the patch before that which also increased performance to the same degree. I keep seeing these people talk about how flawlessly that game plays, but then a new patch comes out and it has some new dramatic effect that makes the game even more playable. See what I am saying?
Its just hard to take those comments as being objective when they keep getting repeated by people trying to "promote" the game to attract new players. Especially when they look almost like a company press release.
I'm not trying point fingers at you honestly. I've really enjoyed your comments and found them to be balanced, so I apologize ahead of time if it looks like I'm painting you in a bad light.
"tremendously" is a little strong i admit. But then again it is about my preception, if my fps went up by 6-7 frames, somemight call that slight performance gain, but this will depend on what your fps was, if it was around 24fps and then went up to 30 the precieved performance would be greater than going from 60 to 67, because the eye is said to only see slow down at 24 fps and below.
Yesterday i went from Medium High Textures to High, and increased specualr lighting to max, and increased Atmospheric distoration to max from 0. and i was still getting 60 FPS. I have never increased so many things in a game and still maintained a high frame rate, i was impressed, and hence i used a strong word like i did.
I did not intend to mislead anyone. Even though i have no qualms in promoting the game to get more people to play as i beleive it is a good game.
1. Oh, yes, you have trains in Vanguard that are reminiscent of Everquest 1.
[I do not think that the trains are as bad as EQ 1, though. Hehe.]
2. Performance has, for me, increased the most since I have played Vanguard. I am basically at around 95% consistently with a drop while in dungeons and/or cities.
3. The patch is a breakthrough. I think it is not limited to performance but finally "fixing" the game by implementing several measures --(a) optimization, (b) reduction of server lag, (c) occulsion, (d) other-- that makes the game much more enjoyable. When your system can run Vanguard, you can really appreciate the game for what it is. Vanguard has a certain je ne sais quoi to it, and I suspect it is its world. Its wide, open, diverse, dangerous, and beautiful world.
4. I have not check out the raid stuff yet. I am not a big raider, but I definitely intend to obtain access to APW and then raid a bit.
5. I am really more excited about the environmental raid stuff. I like to hit named mobs, with a group (less so with a raid) and move on to something else. It is exciting when you log-in and a friend says, "(rare mob's name) is up. Let's go!"
6. Other features from a new, improved and more intuitive map to being able to hold 50 Quests from 20. Thank God for that!
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I find what you write very believable which is in sharp contrast to some people who keep claiming the game already runs crystal smooth until the next patch comes out. Then it is yet another story of "the biggest performance boost ever!" which just contradicts what they posted earlier. I don't think people realize it is just as hard to sift through that fanatical supporters as it is to get through the hate. Saying the game is fixed will just do a disservice if people return only to fall through the world, CTD or whatever.
I don't think you were misleading at all. In fact I understood what you were saying as it didn't sound like a SOE press release trying to draw in players. I guess what I am trying to say is thanks for posting your experiences.
Daffid, you are becoming worse with your mud-slinging, name-calling, and innuendo of impropriety (please see www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1750014#1750014, calling me a liar).
The game is fixed because Update 3 has improved those areas that prevented people from enjoying Vanguard due to performance. My performance is around 95% since Update 3.
I am neither providing a "service" nor "disservice." I know you really believe that I post on MMORPG with the purpose and intent to obtain more subscribers to Vanguard. Although I will provide an updated review of Vanguard because of the breakthrough of Update 3, please see my review of Vanguard to speculate about my purpose and intent www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/157317.*
*In case you wondered, I post on MMORPG because it is fun.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Don't care, its going to take more than someone (or several someones) posting that Vanguard is fixed, to entice alot of the original game purchasers back.
We wont be fooled by the is fixed, but hey, we aint going to fork out a months subscription either to take a look, as far as i am concerned this game died 2 mths after release and isnt worth the money or the time to go and take another look at it.
Guess ill give it another try and see myself how it is. I will have to download it again tho
And i remember the install really sucks, is it any better? I think not ...
Vanguard is NOT fixed that's wrong ! Coming back from VG ! Tried GU3. VG works much better than yesterday (GU2) ok but it's not fixed.
SOE proposes now Game Update 3
Next one will be GU4 with helmets and flying mounts.
MAYBE with next GU: 4, VG will be a final release. Now its"' always a beta. Most of bugs aren't fixed, pet buggy swimming buggy as yesterday, empty areas, even with a BIG PC it's hard to play, my pet disappears on dungeon etc.
SOE made a really NICE work on it for sure, but it's not fnished. SOE needs time to fix VG, if you come back to VG thinking all work has been done, you 'll be disappointed. Think about what I say: VG works better, much better but not fixed yet. (a lot of work to do)
I can say i'm really a fan of VG (maybe a fanboy), but i don' want see new people coming without telling them the truth before. if you come you'll pay for beta, be sure: you'll pay for improvements. not for a final release. VG is not ready yet. VG can become a GREAT mmo (maybe best one) in few months
Not now. If you're looking NOW for a nice and polished MMO, take DAOC or lotro ( boring imo ^^...) or Eq2 ! VG needs time to improve.
If u can wait , VG could be your next PvE MMO. (future of EQ)
VG isn't ready yet.
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"Well, people enjoy Vanguard for what it is, and to tell the truth, playing today I dont experience more bugs than I experience in games like EQ2 or any other MMO, maybe it is just not your cup of tea, but it is the most immersive and deep fantasy pve MMO on the market, and even the upcoming ones wont have the good details Vanguard have."
Wrong
VG IS my cup of tea (and coffee) but i stop VG few time, waiting for GU4 now. GU3 is only the beginning...Playing now EQ2 because it's polished game, finished game.
VG's community is nice, cool online but you can't say I dont experience more bugs than I experience in games like EQ2 or any other MMO"
. Lotro isn't my cup of tea at all but works BETTER than Vanguard lol.
I stand corrected, yet another honest post about the current state of VG.
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"- Performance has increased"
+1 for me and for all players (cf chan.) but not enough when i think about lotro or eq2 !
- we have a nice map ok lol
- 1st raid
- holiday's event: cool and nice, ok, works fine
Really funny that's right 
- khal changed (design)
No more no less. I Wait now for GU4 and maybe VG will be ready for next STEP: more content. SOE is working hard now on performances. Imo GU5 will be the moment for a come back. (or GU6)
War and Aoc will be PVP games
VG can become one of the best PVE games in summer 2008 /october 2008.
Still in beta but I can say now I believe again in VG, since GU3. (thought yesterday it was dead. )
But it's not fixed
1° imo: VG has a great potential
GU2 = Alpha
GU3 = Beta2
GU4 = Beta 3
GU5 = final release
GU6= more content
OR.... (lol) VG had a great potential ^^
2 ° VG dies before GU6
'specially with the inclusion of a "few more months". All Vanguard has ever needed was a "few more months". You sure it'll be after these "few more months"? Promise?
Unfortunately you have threads like these that detract from any legitimate improvements SOE makes to the game, in attempts to lure resubscribers back with too large of expections. It's detrimental to the game and has wasted a lot of resubscribers second, third, fourth, fifth impressions.
SOE themselves are holding back on a free trial and promotional campaign for a reason, they know Vanguard isn't in any shape to "Win Back" resubscribers yet, because the issues they quit over haven't been fully rectified. Sadly SOE has to deal with folk who build false momentum that naturally crashes upon itself.
But sure. Yes, Vanguard is fixed now. Since Vanguard being fixed means its the greatest MMO ever by default; lets bring those other nine or so servers back up, then triple that server total to accomodate the million or so players that'll now come!
Or! Let's hold off on a pitch like that until there's at least a chance of tricking more than a handful of resubscribers who're already skeptical of when to experience their sixth impression of Vanguard. Try it again when free trials are released, truth.
Less than 24 hours after a major patch and already the reports of "VG is FIXED!!!" are in? Seems a bit early and highly speculative to me.
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=23803
On a side note, it seems they FINALLY made non-work order crafting recipes yield XP. So, perhaps pure adventurers can find gear at reasonable prices now.
why do you keep posting links to the VG forums they mean nothing ,do you think everyone else hasent played any other games or what.Me and my wife played WOW We stopped about a little over a year ago and both of us dreaded holidays because blizzard couldnt even patch in there holiday content without borking there servers.For about 3 or 4 days after the lag and high pings would be almost so bad you could hardly play the game I would take my rogue to buy poison stand there clicking on things and what the heck nothing is happening screw this walk away and 5 minutes or so later you would hear the sound it makes when you bought something so you look in your bags and sure as s--t for everytime you click something it would be in your bags about 10 times the amount you needed
it was a big patch there's bound to be a few things that didnt get caught during testing its nothing new to anyone whos played PC games not to vanguard or any game even one that have been running for years
You analysed pretty good what I wrote, and yes i was very very dissapointed at the game and how they could release crap like that without fixing bugs before , and I am not talking about small bugs here. There always comes up bugs after release I know that but not as many as Vanguard had on release.
Concept was ok alot like EQ2 though but what I really liked with Vanguard was the Crafting I was both impressed and happy about it , and I also liked the harvesting. Other than that I regret buying it at release.
And about that I think everyone is hired by SOE that talks good about it is not true but I was just surpriced that it sound more like they are trying to pursuade people to play it than telling people its good now, adn they only look at the possitive stuff about it.
I mean I for one didnt buy the game to pay every month to look for bugs and waste my time when I can enjoy some other game that I dont have to pay for to be a so called "Betatester / Bug reporter"
I'm a ex-van hater/ now resub. I can say for 100% sure the game as easily improved 300% since release if not 10x that. I used to be just like all the rest of you posting disgust and hate for the game but things have changed. As you can see from the declining hate threads in the forums. You need to go back and try the game again, if you once had high hopes for the game but were disappointed upon release. Its literally not the same game.
I used to play Vanguard wayy back at release, got myself the collectors edition lived through all the early problems, but cancled once the bugs got out of hand for me...
So now I come here to look for information about the game, see how its improved becuase I plan on getting station access soon... and this is what I see?
Pages and pages of people trying to tell the Vanguard players that their game sucks and they should play XYZ? If those games are so awesome, go play em, and stop posting in other forums. I'm tired of trying to read about ANY game on MMORPG.com becuase this is all it is, page after page of flames!
Are people just incable of letting others play what they want? Why must some people be a missah!? *breathe*
Apologies for my rant. Anyways, back in the day I had a Cleric on the middle eastern themed island (forget its name) just wondering how the game is now? Hows cleric these days (seemed a tad overpowered back then so I wouldn't be suprised to hear they got nerfed) I've read lots about this update, and every single one of my friends who I asked about it has only been able to tell me about how much its improved.
What can I expect when i go back? Any DRASTIC changes I should be aware of (EQ2 required some huge re-adjustment
)
Also, as an aside, the biggest thing thta attracted me to Vanguard orginally was the world. It looked and felt so lush and alive. Also what happned to Fellowships?
Thanks
I just resubbed as a result of all the hype. I would say its a mixed bag.
Yes it is more stable. Yes some features finally made it in.
However, still no helms, I still freeze when chunking, The game still has very little polish. Ports rather than boats still ferry you because they can't make em work.
If you liked it before chances are you will be happy with its state. If you left unhappy you will probably still be unhappy with it.
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