Originally posted by thepatriot The buzz died years ago.
The game died years ago.
You discuss this "dead" game still "years after" is what ?
It's simply the sadistic pleasure we derive from watching the "faithful" hold on to hope. It's like going to the zoo to see an animal that is on the brink of extinction. We all had figured the DF diehards had died out by now.
I think by know the smart people know it's not a question of whether the game will release or not, but in what state the game will release. It's still amazes me that some people think there is no game at all, guess thier mama DID raise a fool
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Talk about the pot telling the kettle it's black. ROFLMAO!
People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway.
Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s.
Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right.
Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct.
Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong.
Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong.
People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be.
Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical.
If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers.
When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts.
Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community.
People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not.
Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.
In retrospect what have we learnt, well lets see. People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway. Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s. Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right. Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct. Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong. Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong. People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be. Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical. If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers. When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts. Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community. People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not. Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.
There is a difference between being critical and skeptical and being a troll. Only trolls attack things like site design or developement time because those things really don't matter. Critical and skeptical people discuss things that will actually matter after release such as game features.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open. Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
In retrospect what have we learnt, well lets see. People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway. Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s. Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right. Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct. Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong. Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong. People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be. Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical. If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers. When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts. Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community. People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not. Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.
The so called "scepticals" and "critics" are very rare here. What is common is people who publicly admit that they not interested in DarkFall and just post for amusement .
Common essence of all their hate posts is "DarkFall is vaporware". All their posts is variation of that thought. So again if they believe DF is vapoware, what is their motivation to post on this forum ? like they say , amusement , at least they are honest about this.
For to discuss on this Forum it is required that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers. It makes no sense to visit this forum else or you are a troll. But you gave me some ideas about their motivation:
"Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions trolls is either one of my haters multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s."
For the "critics" and "sceptical" posts you describe have to search with magnifiers i am afraid.If you hadn't overinflated your statements this could had be one of them.
A very interesting read about some trolls. It is funny they actually tracked their IP to other developement companies who were trying to smear DF's reputation.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open. Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
For to discuss on this Forum it is required that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers.
Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.
Yeah, most of the trolls are anti-pvpers. They just hate everything that is hardcore pvp. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=55636 A very interesting read about some trolls. It is funny they actually tracked their IP to other developement companies who were trying to smear DF's reputation.
Yeah its dirty business.
Talk about being scared of DF when you as a game developer for other games have to jump DF boards disguised.
There is a difference between being critical and skeptical and being a troll. Obviously there is a difference, but it seems most people don’t appear to appreciate that as demonstrated by many reply’s to this thread including yours, despite my attempt at satire to highlight in my opinion the incredible amount of hypocrisy, denial and inconsistency shown by the most ardent supporters of this game and its developers. Only trolls attack things like site design or developement time because those things really don't matter. You personally might consider Site design or development time as things that really don’t matter, or that only “trolls” attack potential site design and development time issues. I would argue that your opinion is in the minority and is also ignorant and naïve, a development time of over 7 years and a website that is infrequently updated or contains an inadequate amount of information are perfectly justifiable things to be critical and skeptical about. Critical and skeptical people discuss things that will actually matter after release such as game features. Again you might personally consider anything related to a games development before it is released as not mattering, and that critical or skeptical people only discuss thing’s that matter after release. I would argue again that your opinion is in the minority and is ignorant and naïve, in my opinion its ridiculous of you to suggest that only things matter after a game has released or that only skeptic or critics can discuss things after launch.
Think of it this way polar, if DF is released and you are playing, are you really going to care how long it was in developement or that their site(which will probably be updated) wasn't that great before release? Are you going to think to yourself, this game was in developement so long I'm not going to play even though it is awesome. Of course you won't, that's why that stuff doesn't matter right now. It will have 0 effect on the game when it is released. Personally, I think a long developement time is good, I have seen two other games, Roma Victor and DnL, fail that both started developement the same time as DF. Niether of those had all the features they promised, I would rather have 1/3 of them be good and release later then have it without all its' features.
Unless you can point to another game, that has all the features DF has, made by an indie develpement team and has released sooner, only then would you have reason to question developement time. Without that benchmark there is no reason to though. There is a reason to hope they do stay in developement longer though, RV and DNL are examples of what happens when you rush things. WoW took 5 years, with far less features than DF and a huge developement team and budget.
Besides that, in the last year or so they have been frequently putting up new screenshots and some videos. At least as much as any other indie developer does.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open. Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
The so called "scepticals" and "critics" are very rare here. I think it’s the opposite, I think its painfully obvious that people who are skeptical or critical of Darkfall and its developers are in the majority and it’s the entirely optimistic and positive supporters who are very rare.
What is common is people who publicly admit that they not interested in DarkFall and just post for amusement . Again I think it’s the opposite, I think its common that people are interested in Darkfall but they have resorted to posting for amusement whilst they have waited over the last 7 years for Darkfall , which is clearly demonstrated by the official forums and the well known joke of “forum fall” within the community
Common essence of all their hate posts is "DarkFall is vaporware". All their posts is variation of that thought. I don’t agree that all critical or skeptical opinions are “hate posts” or “Darkfall is vaporware” or variations of, perhaps if you where more objective and considered things from other people’s perspectives you might realize that. Unfortunately that is to be expected when a developer spends 7 years on a game without demonstrating it publicly and missing numerous beta and release dates.
So again if they believe DF is vapoware, Again, I don’t think all skeptics or critics believe DF is vaporware, but I do think that supporters of Darkfall and its developers constantly attempt to discredit skeptical or critical viewpoints by accusing them of doing so irrespective of what they are actually saying.
what is their motivation to post on this forum ? Probably for some of the same reason’s why many people play “forum fall” on the official community website whilst they wait for Darkfall
like they say , amusement , at least they are honest about this. Just as a significant proportion of the official community have been honest about playing “forum fall” for amusement while they wait, just because people post for amusement does not discredit them, or are you suggesting that only people who find posting about Darkfall tedious are qualified to express there opinion?
For to discuss on this Forum it is required that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers. It makes no sense to visit this forum else or you are a troll. But you gave me some ideas about their motivation: In my opinion you don’t appear to understand the purpose of an Open forum for debate where people can express there opinions or the actual rules of this website. Nor do you appear to be able to appreciate that anyone who says something you don’t agree with or who does not support Darkfall and its developers is not necessarily a “troll”.
"Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions trolls is either one of my haters multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s." For the "critics" and "sceptical" posts you describe have to search with magnifiers i am afraid. Or potentially you are not objective enough to appreciate that the majority of the skeptical or critical opinions expressed can not be so easily be dismissed as simply vaporware, troll haters.
If you hadn't overinflated your statements this could had be one of them. Ironic that you accuse me of making “over inflated” statements when they where just a selection from the many accusations and insults made by people attacking people who expressed critical or skeptical opinions about Darkfall and its developers in this thread. Even more ironic that you yourself expressed the very same “over inflated statements “ or accusations in your post whilst at the same time attempting to admonish me for concocting them.
Think of it this way polar, if DF is released and you are playing, are you really going to care how long it was in developement or that their site(which will probably be updated) wasn't that great before release? Only if the game turns out to be as good as they have been telling us it is for years, and only when they finally do update the website with an adequate amount of information commiserate with a launch date within the next 6 months, people every year have said the website will be updated stop complaining and each year its still not updated.
Are you going to think to yourself, this game was in developement so long I'm not going to play even though it is awesome. No, but then you are assuming that the game will defiantly be awesome, I’d rather wait until I see the game before I decide that no criticisms or skepticisms are warranted purely because this game might be awesome.
Of course you won't, that's why that stuff doesn't matter right now. It only doesn’t matter to people who have already decided Darkfall will defiantly be awesome at release, I wish I could share your confidence but I’ve not seen anything conclusive to support that position so far.
It will have 0 effect on the game when it is released. I feel sorry for you if you cant comprehend or accept how Darkfall and its developers infamous and extended development history might not have 0 effect on the game when its released or it's continued development after that release.
Personally, I think a long developement time is good, I have seen two other games, Roma Victor and DnL, fail that both started developement the same time as DF. And both your examples had extended or relatively long development times like Darkfall, not sure considering that why you consider long development times as only potentially positive or that Darkfall will defiantly deliver all the features that are promised unlike your previous examples despite them all sharing long development times.
Niether of those had all the features they promised, I would rather have 1/3 of them be good and release later then have it without all its' features. No need to worry about Darkfall launching with only 1/3rd of its features because the developers have told us there beta build is feature complete and will be ready for launch this year. Unless you can point to another game, that has all the features DF has, made by an indie develpement team and has released sooner, only then would you have reason to question developement time.Without that benchmark there is no reason to though. I can only point to game’s like your previous examples that have tried but failed, I don’t see how previous failures necessarily make Darkfall’s attempt anymore likely, in fact I find it more unlikely considering this. You yourself have already pointed to two games that had many planned features, where made by indie developers and that had extended development times like Darkfall, there where numerous valid reasons to criticize or be skeptical about them just as there are numerous valid reasons to do so concerning Darkfall’s development in my opinion.
There is a reason to hope they do stay in developement longer though, RV and DNL are examples of what happens when you rush things. As we have seen by your examples long development times do not necessarily mean things will not be rushed or that Darkfall’s long development time will not necessarily exclude things from being rushed.
WoW took 5 years, with far less features than DF and a huge developement team and budget. And that is one of the many reasons which make Darkfall launching successfully with its feature list considering its relatively much smaller team, experience and financial resources seem unlikely in comparison.
Besides that, in the last year or so they have been frequently putting up new screenshots and some videos. At least as much as any other indie developer does. If your happy with a few minutes of video and the occasional screen shot for the last 7 years of development or that you think Aventurine is releasing as much as any other indie developer does considering this game is launching this year then all I can say is ignorance is bliss!
At that time they were just a small group of friends called "Razorwax".
In 2003 Razorwax was bought by Aventurine. They completely redid the game from the ground up, and have been slowing building up a bigger team since then.
5 years for a small development team is nothing much for a AAA title.
Darkfall started development in 2001. At that time they were just a small group of friends called "Razorwax".
In 2003 Razorwax was bought by Aventurine. They completely redid the game from the ground up, and have been slowing building up a bigger team since then. 5 years for a small development team is nothing much for a AAA title.
AoC took 5 years...
No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
Think of it this way polar, if DF is released and you are playing, are you really going to care how long it was in developement or that their site(which will probably be updated) wasn't that great before release? Only if the game turns out to be as good as they have been telling us it is for years, and only when they finally do update the website with an adequate amount of information commiserate with a launch date within the next 6 months, people every year have said the website will be updated stop complaining and each year its still not updated.
Are you going to think to yourself, this game was in developement so long I'm not going to play even though it is awesome. No, but then you are assuming that the game will defiantly be awesome, I’d rather wait until I see the game before I decide that no criticisms or skepticisms are warranted purely because this game might be awesome.
Of course you won't, that's why that stuff doesn't matter right now. It only doesn’t matter to people who have already decided Darkfall will defiantly be awesome at release, I wish I could share your confidence but I’ve not seen anything conclusive to support that position so far.
It will have 0 effect on the game when it is released. I feel sorry for you if you cant comprehend or accept how Darkfall and its developers infamous and extended development history might not have 0 effect on the game when its released or it's continued development after that release.
Personally, I think a long developement time is good, I have seen two other games, Roma Victor and DnL, fail that both started developement the same time as DF. And both your examples had extended or relatively long development times like Darkfall, not sure considering that why you consider long development times as only potentially positive or that Darkfall will defiantly deliver all the features that are promised unlike your previous examples despite them all sharing long development times.
Niether of those had all the features they promised, I would rather have 1/3 of them be good and release later then have it without all its' features. No need to worry about Darkfall launching with only 1/3rd of its features because the developers have told us there beta build is feature complete and will be ready for launch this year. Unless you can point to another game, that has all the features DF has, made by an indie develpement team and has released sooner, only then would you have reason to question developement time.Without that benchmark there is no reason to though. I can only point to game’s like your previous examples that have tried but failed, I don’t see how previous failures necessarily make Darkfall’s attempt anymore likely, in fact I find it more unlikely considering this. You yourself have already pointed to two games that had many planned features, where made by indie developers and that had extended development times like Darkfall, there where numerous valid reasons to criticize or be skeptical about them just as there are numerous valid reasons to do so concerning Darkfall’s development in my opinion.
There is a reason to hope they do stay in developement longer though, RV and DNL are examples of what happens when you rush things. As we have seen by your examples long development times do not necessarily mean things will not be rushed or that Darkfall’s long development time will not necessarily exclude things from being rushed.
WoW took 5 years, with far less features than DF and a huge developement team and budget. And that is one of the many reasons which make Darkfall launching successfully with its feature list considering its relatively much smaller team, experience and financial resources seem unlikely in comparison.
Besides that, in the last year or so they have been frequently putting up new screenshots and some videos. At least as much as any other indie developer does. If your happy with a few minutes of video and the occasional screen shot for the last 7 years of development or that you think Aventurine is releasing as much as any other indie developer does considering this game is launching this year then all I can say is ignorance is bliss!
RV and DnL started about the same time is DF. They released 2-3 years ago. So their short developement time caused them to fail by not having all the features they promised. I guess you didn't understand this or thought these two games started sooner than DF. Apparently you didn't understand the point about WoW either, why would you expect a small dev team making a game far more ambitious than WoW to have the same developement time?
Yeah, I do think the game will be awesome, from the gameplay videos it looks that way. I think probably the only thing that could screw it up is lag. They could just make a FPS RPG that has online play like a FPS and I would still think it is awesome. The combat system is IMO the best feature of this game, and we have seen it in action, that alone is enough to make the game awesome IMO. However, the original point you didn't get. By leaving it in developement time longer they can fix more bugs and polish the game making it better, so it would be awesome comapred to if they released the same time as RV/DnL.
I was wrong though, if they put time into making a great website and tons of videos and stuff it would have an effect on them. It would make DF worse because that would mean less people working on it.
RV and DnL tried to have the same developement time as your average MMO, about 5 years. And they failed for it. The point is they didn't have long developement times, may seem that way since they were announced sooner, but developement time wasn't longer than your average MMO.
If they really have a feature complete game that is good, that is what comes from developing the game as long as they need, unlike RV/DnL.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open. Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Darkfall started development in 2001. At that time they were just a small group of friends called "Razorwax".
In 2003 Razorwax was bought by Aventurine. They completely redid the game from the ground up, and have been slowing building up a bigger team since then. 5 years for a small development team is nothing much for a AAA title.
AoC took 5 years...
No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
Obviously things proven on MMORPG boards have a lot of credence elsewhere...
I would rather have them take 10 years, instead of changing the game in mid flight like EQ2 did. They changed about 25 different items 2 months into the game. The biggest being drop and no drop items. They made every piece of armor and every weapon no drop. I personally hate the no drop concept. That was the main reason I quit that game. EQ 1 did that all the time. Sony get your head out of your ash!! You cant change the game by a HUGE amount w/o players getting pissed.
Let them take 10 years, at least we will have a polished game, Not a piece of crap like the reason of this genra!
Darkfall started development in 2001. At that time they were just a small group of friends called "Razorwax".
In 2003 Razorwax was bought by Aventurine. They completely redid the game from the ground up, and have been slowing building up a bigger team since then. 5 years for a small development team is nothing much for a AAA title.
AoC took 5 years...
No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
I am a naysayer, and I do not believe that they restarted the development time, I just don't think it's true.
There has been no gaurantee that it has/has not been restarted. You have stated that evidence is shown, yet why haven't I see it? You always use this statement, why don't you show your evidence?
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For to discuss on this Forum it is required that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers.
Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.
Please explain why you here if you
a) don't think DarkFall is a game in developement.
Darkfall started development in 2001. At that time they were just a small group of friends called "Razorwax".
In 2003 Razorwax was bought by Aventurine. They completely redid the game from the ground up, and have been slowing building up a bigger team since then. 5 years for a small development team is nothing much for a AAA title.
AoC took 5 years...
No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
Proven??
You have your opinion on the issue you mean? As we the followers have our opinion on it. If anything have been proven on this board is it that the ones addressing a 5 year development time have proven their cause and the ones talking about a 7 year Dev-time have proven nothing. They scream out 7 years with no fact to base this statement upon.
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No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
Proven??
You have your opinion on the issue you mean? As we the followers have our opinion on it. If anything have been proven on this board is it that the ones addressing a 5 year development time have proven their cause and the ones talking about a 7 year Dev-time have proven nothing. They scream out 7 years with no fact to base this statement upon.
Yes, I already have proven it. They merged at the beginning of 2003. In August of 2003 , they said beta would begin in a month. Then at the begininng of 2004 they said beta was about to begin
So they couldn't have started over in 2003. Its impossible
For to discuss on this Forum it is required that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers.
Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.
Please explain why you here if you
a) don't think DarkFall is a game in developement.
b)DF developers not intend to release this game.
Try something that not wastes your and my time.
So instead of answering his question, you instead ask another set of questions. Fine example of dodge tactics. Quite useful if you ever decide to take up being a politician or some other sort of high ranking official. If you actually bothered to read his post, you would see your question was answered. This is an open forum, which will remain open to all member in good standing, as long as they abide by the RoC set forth by MMORPG.com staff. I'm not sure it could be said any simpler then that.
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To all the posters that were offering evidence that the fanboi DF cult is wrongly informed I feel for you. Aragon is the worst of the kind, I swear he has a Word Document of all the quotes and he just copies and posts them in to try to look smart, when in actuality they are believing dev quotes like it is a word of god. In case you guys didn't know devs lie, they will do what ever it takes to put them in a good light. Look at SOE for proof of this.
Now, boy oh boy would I love to do a complete report on why everything darkfall is saying will be in their game is technologically impossible at this stage of hardware, I don't have the time for it. There's a thing in believing in a project and supporting it but it is to a point. You DF fanbois are completely blinded by the features that you are not even questioning if it's possible. You sit there and pray to your Tasos poster on your wall that was currently put up after removing your Brittney Spears poster.
Seriously the DF fanboi community is not a community at all it's a friggin cult. Keep it up Aragon I'm sure Tasos is proud of you, maybe one day he will call you his own son and then your life can be complete.
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The game died years ago.
You discuss this "dead" game still "years after" is what ?
It's simply the sadistic pleasure we derive from watching the "faithful" hold on to hope. It's like going to the zoo to see an animal that is on the brink of extinction. We all had figured the DF diehards had died out by now.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Talk about the pot telling the kettle it's black. ROFLMAO!
In retrospect what have we learnt, well lets see.
People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway.
Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s.
Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right.
Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct.
Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong.
Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong.
People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be.
Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical.
If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers.
When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts.
Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community.
People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not.
Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.
There is a difference between being critical and skeptical and being a troll. Only trolls attack things like site design or developement time because those things really don't matter. Critical and skeptical people discuss things that will actually matter after release such as game features.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
The so called "scepticals" and "critics" are very rare here. What is common is people who publicly admit that they not interested in DarkFall and just post for amusement .
Common essence of all their hate posts is "DarkFall is vaporware". All their posts is variation of that thought. So again if they believe DF is vapoware, what is their motivation to post on this forum ? like they say , amusement , at least they are honest about this.
For to discuss on this Forum it is required that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers. It makes no sense to visit this forum else or you are a troll. But you gave me some ideas about their motivation:
"Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions trolls is either one of my haters multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s."
For the "critics" and "sceptical" posts you describe have to search with magnifiers i am afraid.If you hadn't overinflated your statements this could had be one of them.
Yeah, most of the trolls are anti-pvpers. They just hate everything that is hardcore pvp.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=55636
A very interesting read about some trolls. It is funny they actually tracked their IP to other developement companies who were trying to smear DF's reputation.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.
Yeah its dirty business.
Talk about being scared of DF when you as a game developer for other games have to jump DF boards disguised.
Think of it this way polar, if DF is released and you are playing, are you really going to care how long it was in developement or that their site(which will probably be updated) wasn't that great before release? Are you going to think to yourself, this game was in developement so long I'm not going to play even though it is awesome. Of course you won't, that's why that stuff doesn't matter right now. It will have 0 effect on the game when it is released. Personally, I think a long developement time is good, I have seen two other games, Roma Victor and DnL, fail that both started developement the same time as DF. Niether of those had all the features they promised, I would rather have 1/3 of them be good and release later then have it without all its' features.
Unless you can point to another game, that has all the features DF has, made by an indie develpement team and has released sooner, only then would you have reason to question developement time. Without that benchmark there is no reason to though. There is a reason to hope they do stay in developement longer though, RV and DNL are examples of what happens when you rush things. WoW took 5 years, with far less features than DF and a huge developement team and budget.
Besides that, in the last year or so they have been frequently putting up new screenshots and some videos. At least as much as any other indie developer does.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Darkfall started development in 2001.
At that time they were just a small group of friends called "Razorwax".
In 2003 Razorwax was bought by Aventurine. They completely redid the game from the ground up, and have been slowing building up a bigger team since then.
5 years for a small development team is nothing much for a AAA title.
AoC took 5 years...
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No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
RV and DnL started about the same time is DF. They released 2-3 years ago. So their short developement time caused them to fail by not having all the features they promised. I guess you didn't understand this or thought these two games started sooner than DF. Apparently you didn't understand the point about WoW either, why would you expect a small dev team making a game far more ambitious than WoW to have the same developement time?
Yeah, I do think the game will be awesome, from the gameplay videos it looks that way. I think probably the only thing that could screw it up is lag. They could just make a FPS RPG that has online play like a FPS and I would still think it is awesome. The combat system is IMO the best feature of this game, and we have seen it in action, that alone is enough to make the game awesome IMO. However, the original point you didn't get. By leaving it in developement time longer they can fix more bugs and polish the game making it better, so it would be awesome comapred to if they released the same time as RV/DnL.
I was wrong though, if they put time into making a great website and tons of videos and stuff it would have an effect on them. It would make DF worse because that would mean less people working on it.
RV and DnL tried to have the same developement time as your average MMO, about 5 years. And they failed for it. The point is they didn't have long developement times, may seem that way since they were announced sooner, but developement time wasn't longer than your average MMO.
If they really have a feature complete game that is good, that is what comes from developing the game as long as they need, unlike RV/DnL.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
Obviously things proven on MMORPG boards have a lot of credence elsewhere...
(Uzik ibnYaraq in game. Always willing to help.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/UzikAlJhamin
I would rather have them take 10 years, instead of changing the game in mid flight like EQ2 did. They changed about 25 different items 2 months into the game. The biggest being drop and no drop items. They made every piece of armor and every weapon no drop. I personally hate the no drop concept. That was the main reason I quit that game. EQ 1 did that all the time. Sony get your head out of your ash!! You cant change the game by a HUGE amount w/o players getting pissed.
Let them take 10 years, at least we will have a polished game, Not a piece of crap like the reason of this genra!
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No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
I am a naysayer, and I do not believe that they restarted the development time, I just don't think it's true.
There has been no gaurantee that it has/has not been restarted. You have stated that evidence is shown, yet why haven't I see it? You always use this statement, why don't you show your evidence?
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Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.
Please explain why you here if you
a) don't think DarkFall is a game in developement.
b)DF developers not intend to release this game.
Try something that not wastes your and my time.
No they didn't start over in 2003. It has been proven on this board 100 times. But thanks for playing
Proven??
You have your opinion on the issue you mean? As we the followers have our opinion on it. If anything have been proven on this board is it that the ones addressing a 5 year development time have proven their cause and the ones talking about a 7 year Dev-time have proven nothing. They scream out 7 years with no fact to base this statement upon.
Not 7... 10 years in the making
Proven??
You have your opinion on the issue you mean? As we the followers have our opinion on it. If anything have been proven on this board is it that the ones addressing a 5 year development time have proven their cause and the ones talking about a 7 year Dev-time have proven nothing. They scream out 7 years with no fact to base this statement upon.
Yes, I already have proven it. They merged at the beginning of 2003. In August of 2003 , they said beta would begin in a month. Then at the begininng of 2004 they said beta was about to begin
So they couldn't have started over in 2003. Its impossible
Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.
Please explain why you here if you
a) don't think DarkFall is a game in developement.
b)DF developers not intend to release this game.
Try something that not wastes your and my time.
So instead of answering his question, you instead ask another set of questions. Fine example of dodge tactics. Quite useful if you ever decide to take up being a politician or some other sort of high ranking official. If you actually bothered to read his post, you would see your question was answered. This is an open forum, which will remain open to all member in good standing, as long as they abide by the RoC set forth by MMORPG.com staff. I'm not sure it could be said any simpler then that.
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You sir just earned a spot in my quote sig, I'm going to be laughing about this all day at work, good show.
To all the posters that were offering evidence that the fanboi DF cult is wrongly informed I feel for you. Aragon is the worst of the kind, I swear he has a Word Document of all the quotes and he just copies and posts them in to try to look smart, when in actuality they are believing dev quotes like it is a word of god. In case you guys didn't know devs lie, they will do what ever it takes to put them in a good light. Look at SOE for proof of this.
Now, boy oh boy would I love to do a complete report on why everything darkfall is saying will be in their game is technologically impossible at this stage of hardware, I don't have the time for it. There's a thing in believing in a project and supporting it but it is to a point. You DF fanbois are completely blinded by the features that you are not even questioning if it's possible. You sit there and pray to your Tasos poster on your wall that was currently put up after removing your Brittney Spears poster.
Seriously the DF fanboi community is not a community at all it's a friggin cult. Keep it up Aragon I'm sure Tasos is proud of you, maybe one day he will call you his own son and then your life can be complete.