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The game isnt that bad...
eq2js
Member Posts: 94
The game is better than WoW, and it would do good if the old vets didnt all get ticked and leave and then beat the game to nothingness by discouraging anyone to play it.
In other words:
Everyone go download the free trial and if you like it buy it and maybe if SOE starts to get more money off of it they will improve it!
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the game may not be that bad for people that never played befor the NGE but i did and hate it, but if people don't try games couse others tell them it's junk there dumb, you have to try somthing befor you can say if you like it or not if you let others tell you what to do all the time you must have a boring life.
I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather not pay for a game that's "not that bad".
Just offer me a great game and I'll even pay more then $15 a month for it.
To the OP, if you never played before the NGE, your poll is useless. The bickering that vets still unleash on SOE and this game is warrrented and a just cause, for what they turned this mmo into.
The game is ok, but nothing like pre-NGE.
You subscribe to a game because you enjoy it, not because they MIGHT make some positive changes down the road. SOE made a lot of promises up to and including in their latest expansion, before they destroyed the old game in favor of the new. So SOE has a poor track record for keeping their promises.
To bring back the good will, they need to bring back a precu SWG. Ofcourse they say they will not, so we are at an impasse. They have already admitted they made a mistake changing to nge. Now they need to make good and restore the good will of the community.
What he said.
And the release of AoC has not helped the low population numbers, which is the biggest player complaint , either.
And why should people pay a premium monthly fee, for a non-premium game?
I have already said my piece on all things not that bad. That being said the underlined sentence above is mind boggling.
Tell me, what exactly where they doing with the money they were getting when there were 200k subs? It certainly wasn't fixing smugglers. Or maybe it was that ranger revamp they provided us details on and we had dialogue about. Was it the capital ships they teased us with?
No...no wait. They never fixed smugglers and they wiped out rangers. The capital ships - lets not go there. Oh, I know...it was the NGE they spent the money on and all that advertising that came with it.
Sorry eq2js, they have proven what they do with subscriber money. And even the current players will tell you that the age of the game prevents them from any major investments into it.
"The game inst that bad..."
Not the most reassuring endorsement for a game, but one that is echoed often.
Lets not blame the games inability to attract people on those who don't like the game or SOEs lack of income. Both are a direct result of what SOE did, so only they can fix it.
I wanted to bring this out because let's for the minute forget about the option of bringing the pre-CU/NGE back and focus on what can they do?
We all can agree that the game itself is suffereing from low numbers, so they need to figure out a way to get the numbers up and retain a few people. Server Mergers...something to do with player cities and plots not being able to overlap. They could figure something out about that if they really put there minds to it.
The game itself is entirely soloable to 90 now unless I am missing a specific profession that isn't, we'll just concede that fact. There are a lot of things to do in the game for someone who isn't specfically looking to be 90 tomorrow.
I am just curious what other ideas are out there?
Well, look at it this way:
The servers in SWG are less populated than the ones in The Matrix Online
The game's five years old and is still so unpolished that they're putting out serious changes to try and balance the classes
The game has more bugs than it did at launch
About ninety percent of the playerbase was driven off in such a manner that, years later, they're still mad at the people responsible
Most of the developers have left the game, and SWG has been left with a skeleton crew to watch over it
The bottom line is that, even if people on forums were unfairly trashing the game, if it was fun people would be playing it. And the game is still steadily losing numbers.
Also have to remember that even if by some miracle SWG got more subs, SOE is not going to hire more people to work on it. They just won't. Their skeleton crew can only do so much ... so even if they had more money coming in, I don't think anything would change.
I wanted to bring this out because let's for the minute forget about the option of bringing the pre-CU/NGE back and focus on what can they do?
We all can agree that the game itself is suffereing from low numbers, so they need to figure out a way to get the numbers up and retain a few people. Server Mergers...something to do with player cities and plots not being able to overlap. They could figure something out about that if they really put there minds to it.
The game itself is entirely soloable to 90 now unless I am missing a specific profession that isn't, we'll just concede that fact. There are a lot of things to do in the game for someone who isn't specfically looking to be 90 tomorrow.
I am just curious what other ideas are out there?
Quite honestly, the only thing they could do is to completely revamp the game again. The current core game is the reason the game isn't fun. Forget how it was announced, how it was launched, and even the state it was in when it went live, the NGE is just a poorly designed and poorly implemented core game. No amount of tweaks, or adding back NGE'd versions of things that were removed, for not being 'Star Warsy' or 'Iconic' enough for a Star Wars MMO, or collection grinds, or group instance, etc., will ever make the game any more fun than it currently is. The NGE itself isn't a solid foundation to build a game upon, all baggage of previous game versions aside.
Even if they did a revamp, it isn't very likley that the current group of developers and project managers at SOE Austin could come up with anything better. The folks at SOE and LEC aren't willing to revamp the game again anyway, so the only thing that could have a chance of salvaging anything from SWG is already off the table (a complete revamp could potentially attract more players than a classic server would).
1/2 the content in the game was destroyed and or deleted when the nge came out. All thats left is a watered down version of a failed attempt to clone WoW due to the selfish and greedy decision made by Lucas Arts.....not SOE. Go look it up if you wish, LA are the ones that suggested and planned out the nge they are the ones who destroyed it, SOE was simply following the instructions. It's the ignorant people you see come on these boards flamming a issue that they know nothing about.
Actually it was Jeff Freeman formerly of $OE who spawned the NGE and has already repented his sin and has asked for forgiveness for what he did.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Yea, need to get your facts straight. LA did sign off on it, but it was SOE's baby from the get go. LA's only sin was being gullible enough to actually sit, listen and believe what SOE was pitching at them. I could have heard it now. Make SWG like WOW and they will come, with words starwarsy and the like getting tossed around.
Actually it was Jeff Freeman formerly of $OE who spawned the NGE and has already repented his sin and has asked for forgiveness for what he did.
Jeff Freeman was just a cheerleader among the team who pushed for the horrible psuedo-FPS combat. It was Lord Pall that came up with the twitchy combat. There were a few separate teams working on the individual parts of the NGE, while there was another team working on the live game, or at least pretending to be doing so.The NGE was concieved, designed, developed, and championed by the folks at SOE. They convinced the folks at LEC that it was a good idea to tell their customers to go to hell, because the NGE was so great that many times more people were going to want to play it. LEC believed them, and so they allowed SOE revamp the game with the NGE.
This has been debunked many, many times. You might want to go look it up.
The part in green I agree with wholeheartedly
The part in red I disagree with, and has been argued many a time, but the facts are that while LA did approve the changes, it was SOE that came up with, Dev'd, and repeatedly pitched to LA, the craptasticly "iconic" and "starwarsy" mess known as the "NGE".
Everytime this comes up, Im forced to dig up the post from the official SWG forums, where it was flat out explained by SOE themselves...
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1039243
First a request, to those of you using this thread as your personal battleground, please take it to PM's.
So, I wanted to clarify that we did, here at SOE conceive and develop the NGE. We did so with the best of intentions, to try and make a better game. No blame or buck is being passed.
We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound. Some smart guys had some good ideas to make the game better, Jeff being one of them, and they went for it. A bold move and honestly, I am happy to be a part of a company that is not afraid to try something different.
Where did we go wrong? Delivery, we failed in our timing and communication. That is where we let you down most, SWG faithful, and for that I truly apologize.
Brenlo Bixiebopper
Director, Global Community Relations - SOE
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It's a rough life, but someone has to live it.
Of course the old link is dead, since SOE NGE'd their forums a while back, but thats a direct quote, posted in reply to the blame game that was going round at the time. So there ya have it, straight from the horse's ass....errr, I mean "mouth"
"Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now.
We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"
The part in green I agree with wholeheartedly
The part in red I disagree with, and has been argued many a time, but the facts are that while LA did approve the changes, it was SOE that came up with, Dev'd, and repeatedly pitched to LA, the craptasticly "iconic" and "starwarsy" mess known as the "NGE".
Everytime this comes up, Im forced to dig up the post from the official SWG forums, where it was flat out explained by SOE themselves...
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1039243
First a request, to those of you using this thread as your personal battleground, please take it to PM's.
So, I wanted to clarify that we did, here at SOE conceive and develop the NGE. We did so with the best of intentions, to try and make a better game. No blame or buck is being passed.
We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound. Some smart guys had some good ideas to make the game better, Jeff being one of them, and they went for it. A bold move and honestly, I am happy to be a part of a company that is not afraid to try something different.
Where did we go wrong? Delivery, we failed in our timing and communication. That is where we let you down most, SWG faithful, and for that I truly apologize.
Brenlo Bixiebopper
Director, Global Community Relations - SOE
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It's a rough life, but someone has to live it.
Of course the old link is dead, since SOE NGE'd their forums a while back, but thats a direct quote, posted in reply to the blame game that was going round at the time. So there ya have it, straight from the horse's ass....errr, I mean "mouth"
Spot on SOE is to blame for the current sorry state of the SWG..once and for all..
Thanks for that quote that one i was searching...
The part in green I agree with wholeheartedly
The part in red I disagree with, and has been argued many a time, but the facts are that while LA did approve the changes, it was SOE that came up with, Dev'd, and repeatedly pitched to LA, the craptasticly "iconic" and "starwarsy" mess known as the "NGE".
Everytime this comes up, Im forced to dig up the post from the official SWG forums, where it was flat out explained by SOE themselves...
http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1039243
First a request, to those of you using this thread as your personal battleground, please take it to PM's.
So, I wanted to clarify that we did, here at SOE conceive and develop the NGE. We did so with the best of intentions, to try and make a better game. No blame or buck is being passed.
We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound. Some smart guys had some good ideas to make the game better, Jeff being one of them, and they went for it. A bold move and honestly, I am happy to be a part of a company that is not afraid to try something different.
Where did we go wrong? Delivery, we failed in our timing and communication. That is where we let you down most, SWG faithful, and for that I truly apologize.
Brenlo Bixiebopper
Director, Global Community Relations - SOE
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It's a rough life, but someone has to live it.
Of course the old link is dead, since SOE NGE'd their forums a while back, but thats a direct quote, posted in reply to the blame game that was going round at the time. So there ya have it, straight from the horse's ass....errr, I mean "mouth"
Where they went wrong is lieing about all the changes they said they were making while doing something completely different. That is unethical. Also, even if they were determined to go the NGE route, they could have put it out on a couple servers to see how the players liked it and get feedback.
Instead, if they are to be believed, they destroyed the old game and put up the new one with no advanced warning and testing from the players. They destroyed a money making machine infavor for an unknown quantity. Now had the NGE really been better, the players would have embraced it and the game would have flourished. But the new game enhancements were not enhancements at all.
I remember logging in to my home city ingame right before NGE hit. I told them NGE was coming, I just read it on the forums. They were like, no...we just had the CU. No way. And I told them, tomorrow they are having a new cu. They were in complete denial. Needless to say the entire guild and city are now gone.
I like SWG, but the new Bioware/Lucas arts MMO in 2009 will be a huge step forward.
Any game that SOE isn't involved with is a huge step forward.
Im sure Pre-CU was much better, skill based would have been awesome, but people cant expect SOE to fix it when it is MAKING THEM ALMOST NO MONEY. And they probably know about the new Star Wars MMO and know that it doesnt matter what they do wont make a difference. Or maybe LA and Bioware made an agreement with SOE so they wouldnt go Pre-CU to ensure the LA/Bioware MMO was a success.