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I'm too old for cartoons
Jasz
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I am wondering why all these developers think adults want to play games that look like a Saturday morning cartoon? Geez, I'm soo sick of little green men and big headed humans with crazy huge muscles.
WAR is graphically one of the dumbest looking games I've seen (Granted I'm basing my opinion on screenshots) but I love the idea of the game. I'm just too old for cartoons.
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To be honest, I somewhat agree with you. But only to an extent. I am also tired of the games with the over done muscles and the like. But also, you have to consider what it takes to make a game. And if you want something like Call of Duty 4 graphics on a MMORPG, than you have to either spend a LOT of money on servers, and stuff to keep the game running. Or spend not as much, and downgrade the graphics.
Plus personally, I think WAR saw what WoW did with their game, and they were successful, so why not make their game like that.
One more thing, I hope you know what your getting into, WAR fanbois can get pretty gritty.
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Your damn right, prepared to get hit by the calvalry! Now OP, you said you compared on Screenies, I have played beta nad I can tell you, they look nothing like cartoons, they have the same feeling just aren't exactly cartoony. Yes the huge muscled people are alittle..eh just alittle off. But saying green goblins and orcs are cartoony? What graphics have you seen and have you seen the orcs? Anyways I'm not mad, just correcting you. This game is like cartoons in 3014. WAY more advanced for cartoons...O.o
Ok this is Why they make cartoony graphics on many MMO's (im not trying to be mean) so this is why developers want their product to reach AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE so they make a low polygon game to make it run on more things but then they relize oh shit this looks like crap, but if you make it look cartoony it just doesnt seem to have that crap feeling to it so they do it that way and 60% of the player base would perfer a good looking cartoony game over a good looking realistic looking game. Oh also the warhammer lore also goes into affect it was always carttony on the tabletop games---and the reason WoW did that was because blizzard couldnt get the rights to the warhammer name so they made a cheap knock off to be exactly like it so thats why.....also if age of conan is the only one to break that trend and well with all that hype when it launched im the system requirements were alot lower they could have sold 2 million copies.
Not that this hasn't been discussed to death and all...but anyway:
WoW and WAR ar based on the same artwork (Warhammer tabletop) - thus their resemblance is not Mythic ripping off Blizzard.
And then please elaborate on "all these developers" who supposedly make cartoony looking games? WAR - ok, though it is much less cartoony than WoW (not basing this on screenshots, but hands-on experience...). AOC is far from cartoony, LotRO is not all that cartoony. It doesnt try to look photo realistic either, though. SGW - not cartoony at all. Fallen Earth, Huxley, ... I guess the list goes on. Some other games probably are cartoony. Champions Online, for example - but hey, that is based on comic books, right?
the closest thing i can think of with warhammer ideas in it but doesnt look too cartoony is darkfall but that doesnt have a confirmed released date or month (im pretty sure on the year though---2008)
Not that this hasn't been discussed to death and all...but anyway:
WoW and WAR ar based on the same artwork (Warhammer tabletop) - thus their resemblance is not Mythic ripping off Blizzard.
And then please elaborate on "all these developers" who supposedly make cartoony looking games? WAR - ok, though it is much less cartoony than WoW (not basing this on screenshots, but hands-on experience...). AOC is far from cartoony, LotRO is not all that cartoony. It doesnt try to look photo realistic either, though. SGW - not cartoony at all. Fallen Earth, Huxley, ... I guess the list goes on. Some other games probably are cartoony. Champions Online, for example - but hey, that is based on comic books, right?
Funny that you mention games like SWG and AoC. SWG is cartoony maybe not with the overdone muscles but it still looks like a Star Wars cartoon. AoC is just a failure. It looks great..but a massive failure when it comes to gameplay and it's way too easy. Look at the list of MMO's on this site. Most are all very cartoony. LOTR Online is a fun game but no pvp.
I just want a game like WAR that looks good too. WAR will be a great game...I have no doubts about that. I just want to see a more adult look
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Not that this hasn't been discussed to death and all...but anyway:
WoW and WAR ar based on the same artwork (Warhammer tabletop) - thus their resemblance is not Mythic ripping off Blizzard.
And then please elaborate on "all these developers" who supposedly make cartoony looking games? WAR - ok, though it is much less cartoony than WoW (not basing this on screenshots, but hands-on experience...). AOC is far from cartoony, LotRO is not all that cartoony. It doesnt try to look photo realistic either, though. SGW - not cartoony at all. Fallen Earth, Huxley, ... I guess the list goes on. Some other games probably are cartoony. Champions Online, for example - but hey, that is based on comic books, right?
Funny that you mention games like SWG and AoC. SWG is cartoony maybe not with the overdone muscles but it still looks like a Star Wars cartoon. AoC is just a failure. It looks great..but a massive failure when it comes to gameplay and it's way too easy. Look at the list of MMO's on this site. Most are all very cartoony. LOTR Online is a fun game but no pvp.
I just want a game like WAR that looks good too. WAR will be a great game...I have no doubts about that. I just want to see a more adult look
Sorry to disappoint you, but the adult look isn't what appeals to the masses, as is apparent when you consider nearly every successful MMO has these 'cartoon graphics', as you call them.
At this time point and time the Adult Look (AoC) is not user friendly. Just need to wait a good 5 more years for games like AOC to rule the chats. Right now money is in low polygon MMO's where the avg computer can handle more then 20 character models on the screen (looks at AOC again) and still run smooth.
All MMO's have grinds. If you don't like to Grind then MMO's are not for you.
Bye bye then...Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Trolling aside, the style of graphics WAR got is what Warhammer have had since the beginning of the game. Tabletop players used these small figurines to play with when Warhammer only where a pen and paper game. And they looked kinda like what you now see WAR looks like. Don't like it?? Too bad, its here to stay. You say WOW graphics. Nah, its all Warhammer. Always have been. Lastly, if you got a speck of a kid left in you, you wont outgrow cartoons. I still watch Simpson, Family guy and American Dad and I'm in my mid-thirties. Don't think I'll ever outgrow em
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
You're obviously clueless about the IP.
Warhammer IP is a light-hearted yet cynical parody of the genre (basically what we call gallows humor). The amount of humor in the game (one of the skills is called "Right in da jibblies") is one of its main selling points. Everything in the game should be a bit over-the-top. In fact, I'd argue that the WAR graphics aren't cartoony ENOUGH to give the IP full justice.
As for being too old... I'm too old to be bothered about being too old for cartoons.
You shouldnt say to old for cartoons as much as you should say "To old for high fantasy games".
You say its here to stay..well that remains to be seen. The game itself sounds great. The visuals that I've seen (which aren't much as i said in OP) don't look that impressive to me.
It actually looks like we've gone back in time instead of moving forward.
I posted this with the hopes of being proven wrong because the game sounds good. All I'm getting is excuses about the Warhammer lore and stuff like that.
You cant stay true to a game's roots and make changes to the "cartoony" factor?
It doesn't have to be as polished as AoC. And (as for the door hitting me on the way out) Dude, I haven't even opened the door yet and if you can't think of a better reason then that...you can keep the whole damn room
You say its here to stay..well that remains to be seen. The game itself sounds great. The visuals that I've seen (which aren't much as i said in OP) don't look that impressive to me.
It actually looks like we've gone back in time instead of moving forward.
I posted this with the hopes of being proved wrong because the game sounds good. All I'm getting is excuses about the Warhammer lore and stuff like that.
You cant stay true to a game's roots and make changes to the "cartoony" factor?
It doesn't have to be as polished as AoC. And (as for the door hitting me on the way out) Dude, I haven't even opened the door yet and if you can't think of a better reason then that...you can keep the whole damn room
OK. If staying true to the lore is "just an excuse" to you then we really have absolutely nothing to talk about anymore. Goodbye. As others have said, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I think the graphics look great, as long as its fun to play and you enjoy it, what difference does it make how old you are..
Not to be sarcastic in anyways, but maybe Vanguard, EQ2 and AoC is what you are looking for. I have a friend that loves graphics over gameplay, however I will take gameplay over graphics anytime. Is WoW too cartoony, well for me it is, but still enjoy the game from time to time.
MMORPG Games like Anarchy Online, Shadowbane and Ultima Online I would have to say are better than most High End Graphic mmorpgs.
You say its here to stay..well that remains to be seen. The game itself sounds great. The visuals that I've seen (which aren't much as i said in OP) don't look that impressive to me.
It actually looks like we've gone back in time instead of moving forward.
I posted this with the hopes of being proved wrong because the game sounds good. All I'm getting is excuses about the Warhammer lore and stuff like that.
You cant stay true to a game's roots and make changes to the "cartoony" factor.
It doesn't have to be as polished as AoC. And (as for the door hitting me on the way out) Dude, I haven't even opened the door yet and if you can't think of a better reason then that...you can keep the whole damn room
Well. People's setup need to be upgraded severly if the highend graphical mmo should work. Realistic graphics belong in singleplayer games. Just take a look at AoC, which aint polished by the way, to see how much of a failure it is when you try to get the singleplayer look in a mmo game. WAR's look wont change. Its that look thats been Warhammer all the time. Why should they change it? Cause some old fart get turned off the cartoony look? You need to take a look at what Warhammer been over the time. That look is here to stay, atleast in WAR. Besides, who needs impressive graphics? All I need is engaging and fun gameplay. Only kids and teens think graphics is the end-all of a game.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
But, War's art direction is as it is because the developers are staying true to the art design of the card game. People forget Blizzard borrowed from Warhammer when creating their Warcraft franchise, first as RTS games, then into a MMO, hence so many similarities. All you got to do is get googling on Warhammer art from the 1980's then you'll see how blatant Blizzard have been in copying Warhammer.
Finally an intelligent response. I play Vanguard now but it lacks in the pvp department and as of now the servers are damn near dead because of all the trouble they had during launch.
WAR has the pvp i want in a toon-like package.
WoW is too cartoony for me and the graphics are similar. I really don't care for it. The post is an opinion and i see a bunch of crybaby responses. I don't care if I'm stepping on your toes. I like every aspect of the game (that I've read about) accept the graphics. At least you make an attempt at reason instead of the childish.
I'm afraid I don't agree with you about your choice of games though. I cant stomach AO, Shadowbane, or UO but i do respect your opinion.
But, War's art direction is as it is because the developers are staying true to the art design of the card game. People forget Blizzard borrowed from Warhammer when creating their Warcraft franchise, first as RTS games, then into a MMO, hence so many similarities. All you got to do is get googling on Warhammer art from the 1980's then you'll see how blatant Blizzard have been in copying Warhammer.
Another response that makes sense. Maybe the fanbase has some hope
I disagree completely with WAR looking like a Saturday morning cartoon. Now I respect that is your opinion, but I'll argue my point of view as well. The characters are appropriate for the games setting, and the characters are in proportion and not over the top. The only time you'll run into men that are meat mountains are the chaos marauder and chosen, but they are supposed to be flippen huge. The Greenskins obviously have to have the green colored skin and were designed disproportionate. Changing them would be an insult to the original design, and wouldn't be orky either.
The world from the screenshots and videos look dark, detailed, and stylized. Nothing really looks bland and out of place IMO. Having wasted open space that serves absolutely no purpose other then being there is what bugs me the most in MMO's, and from I've seen WAR has a lot of detail going on everywhere. In other words, it is not bland.
The game was not designed to be the most impressive technically, but to be rather accessible and to handle the strain of mass scale pvp. It is only logical to assume that adding in super shiny graphics such as normal mapping, and high poly counts would be counter productive because it would more then likely bring the game to a crashing halt.
All in all, I believe the game is visually appropriate for Warhammer with such technical limitations they have put upon themselves. They uphold the lore, style, and maintain a high level of detail with minimal resources utilized. By the way, I am in beta but for this argument I'm only debating info that has been released to the public and not referencing anything currently in closed beta. Unless of course it is public knowledge.
But, War's art direction is as it is because the developers are staying true to the art design of the card game. People forget Blizzard borrowed from Warhammer when creating their Warcraft franchise, first as RTS games, then into a MMO, hence so many similarities. All you got to do is get googling on Warhammer art from the 1980's then you'll see how blatant Blizzard have been in copying Warhammer.
Another response that makes sense. Maybe the fanbase has some hope
Well not to much sense Ive never seen a WAR card game
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Its nice to see an opinion from people in beta who have a different prospective of the game. you guys are the ones who really know how the game is doing as far as graphics-vs-gameplay.
Like I said before I'm talking with the knowledge of only screenshots.
So I really hope it is more impressive when your actually playing it
To me, WAR looks as realistic as it can get, because to me, WAR looks like a world that is based on Warhammer. If the game had shiny plastic AoC/VG type characters, I would never, ever consider playing it.
Cartoony? I just don't see how the game looks remotely cartoony, WoW to me looks "cartoony" because some of the models are horrible and unrealistic, such as the human model.
But WAR? I just don't see it, to me it just simply looks like how it was meant to look like and it looks wonderful imo.
Graphics and art styles are a hard subject to talk about since it's all about subjective opinions. Keep in mind though you need to have a more open mind about it too, just because AoC has more polygons and "realistic" looking characters, doesn't make the game realistic or great looking. The art style of the characters in that game is nothing special, they just look like roided up humans, which to me is more "cartoony" then anything i've seen in WAR.
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