If I go to the bank I get healed, debuffed, buffed, protected… I have to think to myself, “is this what I have to do to compete?” Do I have to cast spells on myself and other people in a town to get my skills to a point that I can PVE to eventually get to a point that I can PVP effectively?
I think that's the moment where you have to decide if you want to join the group of people for whom stats is more important than the RP part. Neither is worse no better, it's just a matter of preference.
The one group are the numbercrunchers, who peel away the surface of the game and calculate which way is the most effective to do something. Like people who choose one race solely for the reason that it has a few % points more health than another. Or people who use a fireball instead of a lightning bolt because it is delivering 0.4% more damage for the mana spent. It's the moment when the lore becomes irrelevant, where the roleplay gets abandoned, where immersion falls away.
The other end of the scale are the roleplayers, who even weaken themselves if it helps the immersion and getting into the role.
Of course most people are between the two groups.
And of course it does not only depend on your personal playstyle but also on how the game is set up. In some games you are basically forced to behave in a way that looks stupid for any outside because it's so unrealistic, if you want to progress. In other games it's the other way round.
It probably has also to do with how much you know about a game. IE if you know a game well, and a patch adds a new spell, you might think "bah that one is 13% worse than what we had before, how useless". While a newer player might think "boah man, that spell is so fricking cool I love it!".
Originally posted by bmoscato How can a new player compete (solo) against someone who’s been playing casually for 4 to 6 months or longer?
You can't. And it wouldn't be an MMO if you could, it would be an FPS.
Stay with friends or clan mates if you anticipate PVP. If you're just out training by yourself, expect that you might get rolled...learn to deal with it. Gear is replaceable.
If you are a brand new player to Darkfall please do NOT do what this person does to skill up. If you follow what this person does to gain stats/skills you will be PVP ready by the year 2013. Darkfall is PVE is the best and fastest way to catch up to the veterans that have been playing since day one period. Killing trolls with the possibility of a PVP encounter once daily is the better option I assure you. These people trying to sell you on the Idea that Darkfall is this hostile place where you must watch your back constantly to survive is an absolute lie. If you like PVE buy this game and I bet you will like what you see if you follow what I've told you throughout this thread. I see people trying to say that I should ride my mount hours away from starter towns to find some PVP and this is absolute idiocy. If you are a brand new player and follow that advice you will be naked back at your bind location looking at your 20 STR/ 20 Weapon Skill wondering what the hell just happened to your internet backside.
And what do you consider "PVP ready", may I ask?? The ability to kill anyone you meet one on one?? OR.....the ability to participate in PVP, be a contributing player, and have fun??
If it's the former....get over it. If you spend all your time in game aiming for that goal, you're wasting your time and you're money. Because those vets you are trying to catch up to are improving every day....you will NEVER, EVER catch up to them.
So, get that into your head NOW, and start enjoying the game.
As to the text I highlighted in red, I have to say this:: Leave the starter town.....as in, walk out beyond the wall. Because the only place you are even kind of safe is in a starter city, and then only if you're blue and unclanned.
Honestly, I have to wonder if you've really even played this game, and I know I'm not the only one around here thinking this way.
I see people trying to say that I should ride my mount hours away from starter towns to find some PVP and this is absolute idiocy. If you are a brand new player and follow that advice you will be naked back at your bind location looking at your 20 STR/ 20 Weapon Skill wondering what the hell just happened to your internet backside.
Starter Towns are meant to be a "safer" area for new players to learn the ropes. If you wish to experience the game, you need to leave the area.
As for new players adventuring outside, when I joined DarkFall in November, I also joined NEW. NEW's city is located in Hammerdale(Human lands) and my character is a Mirdain who started in Mir Bellith. I WALKED from Mir Bellith to Hammerdale, the ride took about 90 minutes. During this long trip, I learned about various monster spawns, found various chaos chests, avoided several PvP encounters by hiding behind trees, bushes, going underwater, etc. I have not died a single time mainly because I took all the precautions and my strongest skill was Mana Missile rank 25ish.
I think I will be reporting this guy for trolling. I mean it's so obvious he doesn't play DarkFall otherwise he's the biggest CareBear attempting PvP that I have ever seen.
i purchased this game about a month ago and ALL I do is PVE. I fight a human player once per day maximum while I kill Trolls and the only reason this happens is because that person wants my Troll Camp. The only reason to ever fight is to gain a PVE spawn point and that is all Darkfall is about. I understand that clans fight on the wekends but on NA-1 its ALL PVE during the week. If you like PVE not PVP then you should buy this game. The mob AI is actually fun but I bought this game thinking it was hardcore FFA PVP but its really the most carebear PVE game I have played. Don't believe people that say its only for the hardcore because its for those players that love PVE so much that they gain Stat Points and Skill Points etc. The only other thing you will see aside from the weekend clan wars is people gathering crafting materials all over. So, if you like extreme amounts of PVE and you really like gathering crafting materials all day watching your skills level up then buy this right now you will love it. However, do NOT buy this game thinking the game is about FFA PVP because it has all kinds of carebear mechanics that deter you from PVP.
I have this sneaking suspicion that you've not ventured very far away from your "safe" little haven.
I really hate when people play in one tiny area of a game and make huge sweeping statements as if they've actually PLAYED the game. People do this with Fallen Earth all the time too, and most of them have no fucking idea what they're talking about. I even see people do this with WoW...of all the insane things.
You cannot wrap yourself in a cocoon in ANY game and expect to have a clue what the entirety of the game is ABOUT. That's just ludicrous. If people want to know what a game IS....they should ask people that have actually played the game proper, not someone who is playing PART of the game.
If you are a brand new player to Darkfall please do NOT do what this person does to skill up. If you follow what this person does to gain stats/skills you will be PVP ready by the year 2013. Darkfall is PVE is the best and fastest way to catch up to the veterans that have been playing since day one period. Killing trolls with the possibility of a PVP encounter once daily is the better option I assure you. These people trying to sell you on the Idea that Darkfall is this hostile place where you must watch your back constantly to survive is an absolute lie. If you like PVE buy this game and I bet you will like what you see if you follow what I've told you throughout this thread. I see people trying to say that I should ride my mount hours away from starter towns to find some PVP and this is absolute idiocy. If you are a brand new player and follow that advice you will be naked back at your bind location looking at your 20 STR/ 20 Weapon Skill wondering what the hell just happened to your internet backside.
And what do you consider "PVP ready", may I ask?? The ability to kill anyone you meet one on one?? OR.....the ability to participate in PVP, be a contributing player, and have fun??
A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
I see people trying to say that I should ride my mount hours away from starter towns to find some PVP and this is absolute idiocy. If you are a brand new player and follow that advice you will be naked back at your bind location looking at your 20 STR/ 20 Weapon Skill wondering what the hell just happened to your internet backside.
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Wait, what? I thought you said DF was a PvE game. I'm really confused....
(not really...it's not too confusing to spot a troll and know a troll is a troll)
I see people trying to say that I should ride my mount hours away from starter towns to find some PVP and this is absolute idiocy. If you are a brand new player and follow that advice you will be naked back at your bind location looking at your 20 STR/ 20 Weapon Skill wondering what the hell just happened to your internet backside.
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Wait, what? I thought you said DF was a PvE game. I'm really confused....
(not really...it's not too confusing to spot a troll and know a troll is a troll)
If you've never played this game this would be confusing. Thinking that you can ride and explore and then stumble your way through PVP with a veteran player is a fairy tale. You will lose no matter what so stick to PVE until you can put up some resistance. When I say Veteran player it doesn't mean that they are any good at the game it just means that they have higher Stats/Skills which grossly tilts the fight in their favor. This is why Darkfall is PVE is the best method until you can actually explore or whatever these posters say they participate. If you PVE until you attain the stats/skills Ive mentioned you will be able to fight that one person that you may encounter during your PVE. I can't say this enough Darkfall is PVE so if you like PVE buy the game and have some mob killing fun because you will enjoy/endure massive doses of PVE before you can effectively resist any PVP that happens to come across your PVE path.
And what do you consider "PVP ready", may I ask?? The ability to kill anyone you meet one on one?? OR.....the ability to participate in PVP, be a contributing player, and have fun??
A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
Ah, so you are saying that you intend to hide in the n00b area spawns until you think you have enough skills and stats to take on anyone you meet one-on-one.
You're trying to solo through a game designed for clan warfare. Good luck with that. No wonder you're so confused.
I see people trying to say that I should ride my mount hours away from starter towns to find some PVP and this is absolute idiocy. If you are a brand new player and follow that advice you will be naked back at your bind location looking at your 20 STR/ 20 Weapon Skill wondering what the hell just happened to your internet backside.
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Wait, what? I thought you said DF was a PvE game. I'm really confused....
(not really...it's not too confusing to spot a troll and know a troll is a troll)
If you've never played this game this would be confusing. Thinking that you can ride and explore and then stumble your way through PVP with a veteran player is a fairy tale. You will lose no matter what so stick to PVE until you can put up some resistance. When I say Veteran player it doesn't mean that they are any good at the game it just means that they have higher Stats/Skills which grossly tilts the fight in their favor. This is why Darkfall is PVE is the best method until you can actually explore or whatever these posters say they participate. If you PVE until you attain the stats/skills Ive mentioned you will be able to fight that one person that you may encounter during your PVE. I can't say this enough Darkfall is PVE so if you like PVE buy the game and have some mob killing fun because you will enjoy/endure massive doses of PVE before you can effectively resist any PVP that happens to come across your PVE path.
Who in their right mind would think that when you're brand new you COULD win in such a fight? But to gimp yourself by never taking any risks in a world that, for most, is all about exploration, risk, and reward...seems...idk....weird to me. I guess to each their own though.... *shrug*
I would EXPECT to get killed some times in an FFA loot PvP game. That's just part of "paying the dues" in games of that nature. In Ultima Online, it was no different. But I would never say "Ultima Online is a PvE game," no...just no. Just because you can DO some PvE in a game, doesn't mean it's the main focus of the game. A great PvP game, imo....does have PvE IN it, but that doesn't make it, as YOU are trying to make it sound, "a PvE game."
Example: WoW, played on a PvE server, is a PvE game. I think you would find coming from a WoW PvE server (even if you participate in PvP within WoW ON said server), that your experience in DFO would be VASTLY different. Different, because....it is not a "PvE game." It is a PvP game with PvE. I realize this is basically an argument of semantics, but I think you're portraying it in a way that, from what little I know of the game, is still a gross misrepresentation.
Some veteran correct me please, if I am wrong.....
And what do you consider "PVP ready", may I ask?? The ability to kill anyone you meet one on one?? OR.....the ability to participate in PVP, be a contributing player, and have fun??
A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
Ah, so you are saying that you intend to hide in the n00b area spawns until you think you have enough skills and stats to take on anyone you meet one-on-one.
You're trying to solo through a game designed for clan warfare. Good luck with that. No wonder you're so confused.
These posters keep trying to feed you this get away from the starter areas and participate in all that is harsh Darkfall. The trolls are not within any new protection area so disregard this person. This game allows you the freedom to PVE until you can effectively compete with game-time maturated players end game. Any deviation from this is a fallacy and shouldn't be spread among the potential new player base.
A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
I am going to surprise even myself but I have to say it: I think you misunderstood Darkfall with a FPS game. It could be different from the most MMOs on the market, but it is still a MMORPG. You are not able to fully enjoy all game content after a month of subscription.
A hint:
It is called stable monthly revenue aka grind. Is it necessary for a successful MMORPG ? I doubt it, but for now it is the most popular trend between MMORPG developers, because it buys them time to fix their half finished products and repair their budget.
These posters keep trying to feed you this get away from the starter areas and participate in all that is harsh Darkfall. The trolls are not within any new protection area so disregard this person. This game allows you the freedom to PVE until you can effectively compete with game-time maturated players end game. Any deviation from this is a fallacy and shouldn't be spread among the potential new player base.
What stops you from grabbing some gear and a mount and taking your chances at easy mob spawns of your enemy races ? I got 6 kills and actually managed to bank my loot at a bank without a tower. I died from a vet only because I was cheeky enough to bank it in the front of a scared newbie who I ganked 20 minutes before that.
Funny thing is that with my r40 2 h I actually managed to take down that vet to half of his health before he and his friend got me AFTER I lost half of my HP to a NPC tower.
These posters keep trying to feed you this get away from the starter areas and participate in all that is harsh Darkfall. The trolls are not within any new protection area so disregard this person. This game allows you the freedom to PVE until you can effectively compete with game-time maturated players end game. Any deviation from this is a fallacy and shouldn't be spread among the potential new player base.
What stops you from grabbing some gear and a mount and taking your chances at easy mob spawns of your enemy races ? I got 6 kills and actually managed to bank my loot at a bank without a tower. I died from a vet only because I was cheeky enough to bank it in the front of a scared newbie who I ganked 20 minutes before that.
Funny thing is that with my r40 2 h I actually managed to take down that vet to half of his health before he and his friend got me AFTER I lost half of my HP to a NPC tower.
If you do what this player did to skill up you would have wasted the time he did possibly more. These posters don't realize that all of what they recommend doing is a gross waste of time as far as PVE production which is a direct result of stat/skill gain which is what you will need end game. If you like to explore, join clans, get destroyed by veteran players etc, you are free to do so absolutely. I'm saying that Darkfall is PVE so do it in the most productive way possible.
i purchased this game about a month ago and ALL I do is PVE. I fight a human player once per day maximum while I kill Trolls and the only reason this happens is because that person wants my Troll Camp. The only reason to ever fight is to gain a PVE spawn point and that is all Darkfall is about. I understand that clans fight on the wekends but on NA-1 its ALL PVE during the week. If you like PVE not PVP then you should buy this game. The mob AI is actually fun but I bought this game thinking it was hardcore FFA PVP but its really the most carebear PVE game I have played. Don't believe people that say its only for the hardcore because its for those players that love PVE so much that they gain Stat Points and Skill Points etc. The only other thing you will see aside from the weekend clan wars is people gathering crafting materials all over. So, if you like extreme amounts of PVE and you really like gathering crafting materials all day watching your skills level up then buy this right now you will love it. However, do NOT buy this game thinking the game is about FFA PVP because it has all kinds of carebear mechanics that deter you from PVP.
He is kind of right in a way. If you are carebearish like the OP and hang out in troll camps 24/7 then he is point blank and you will only pvp when someone wants your trolls.
If you like PVP and join a clan I guarantee you will have PVP opportunities on a daily basis. I fight PVP in solo and group encounters every day. If its a slow day which is rare, I go to an enemy city or town and raid there mine/kill there players. sometime I die doing that but its fun.
But the OP is right, if you hang out in troll camps you probably will only see other nubs fighting over the troll stash
I still only have 50+ in some of the spells, but I`m working on them every night. If you like horsefighting, your 1-hand should be in the 75+ mastery too. Sure I got alot of other spells like confusion, wall of force, spell reflect, sacrifice etc. I`ve stopped thinking of getting a high level char, and will settle for this.
If you do what this player did to skill up you would have wasted the time he did possibly more. These posters don't realize that all of what they recommend doing is a gross waste of time as far as PVE production which is a direct result of stat/skill gain which is what you will need end game. If you like to explore, join clans, get destroyed by veteran players etc, you are free to do so absolutely. I'm saying that Darkfall is PVE so do it in the most productive way possible.
Man you are going to burn out from this game soooo fast. Some of the people in this thread are very experienced in Darkfall, you would only be doing yourself a favor in heeding the advice they are dishing out.
You can torture yourself for months if you want (assuming you even last that long playing the way you are), or as many of us have been doing for months, you can play this game the right way and have a helluva a lot of fun.
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I still only have 50+ in some of the spells, but I`m working on them every night. If you like horsefighting, your 1-hand should be in the 75+ mastery too. Sure I got alot of other spells like confusion, wall of force, spell reflect, sacrifice etc. I`ve stopped thinking of getting a high level char, and will settle for this.
Hehe, I agree with this post
But... horsefighting is for noobs, that is unless you don't like your horse =D
I have been playing Darkfall for about a week now and have not been attacked much. There is PvP, I hear about it in the chat channels, my buddy has his skills way up there and is out with his clan fighting other clans, doing sieges, and having sea battles all the time. The begining of the game DOES seem like its more PVE, for me I am thankful because when I do get occasionally jumped I get my butt kicked before I can tell whats happening. So yea until you get your skills to where you can fight back, and leave the newbie areas, the only PvP you see is idiots camping newbies.
I have been getting very addicted to this game. This is my second attempt at it. The UI and Skill Grind is sometihng to get used to but the game makes you feel like you earn your skills and your way in the game. It's fun, can't wait to see what lifes like later when I can actually put up a fight.
I still only have 50+ in some of the spells, but I`m working on them every night. If you like horsefighting, your 1-hand should be in the 75+ mastery too. Sure I got alot of other spells like confusion, wall of force, spell reflect, sacrifice etc. I`ve stopped thinking of getting a high level char, and will settle for this.
I will bring my riding party consisting of 2 mages having 2 spells at 50, 1 rider and 1 on foot and 2 archers and we kill you. You are not PvP ready i am afraid..
These is not a arena type of game where you pick you fights, sometimes you can , sometimes not, sometimes the additional heal of a newb was what made the diffrence..
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Ah, so you are saying that you intend to hide in the n00b area spawns until you think you have enough skills and stats to take on anyone you meet one-on-one. You're trying to solo through a game designed for clan warfare. Good luck with that. No wonder you're so confused.
These posters keep trying to feed you this get away from the starter areas and participate in all that is harsh Darkfall. The trolls are not within any new protection area so disregard this person. This game allows you the freedom to PVE until you can effectively compete with game-time maturated players end game. Any deviation from this is a fallacy and shouldn't be spread among the potential new player base.
LOL....troll spawns can be found very close to starting towns. You're still in the n00b area, I'm afraid.
Hey, keep deluding yourself. I havn't touched a mob in 4 days and yet I've advanced many of my skills by several points.....ALL through PVP.
Tomorrow, I'll farm some mobs....for materials I need for spells....not because I have to, but because I'm too cheap to buy my regs
You're cool to play the way you want of course...it's Darkfall, and the freedom it represents gives you that ability. But stop trying to tell people that they "have to" play a certain way in order to be "PVP ready", because it's crap.
You're cool to play the way you want of course...it's Darkfall, and the freedom it represents gives you that ability. But stop trying to tell people that they "have to" play a certain way in order to be "PVP ready", because it's crap.
Spot on. There are various ways to play DarkFall
Even as a new player, you can still greatly contribute to your group/clan in many various ways even if you do not have the stats.
I only have 250 HP at the moment (Mirdain) and during the raid on Kryzerok (TCA vs. Turtle&friends) I was on the top floor of the keep healing allies with Heal Other (Greater Magic 15.0), Lay On Hand (Lesser Magic 1.00), Sacrifice (Spell Chanting 30.0) and Heal Self (Starter Spell). I was using a rank 40 staff (Blackbolt) that I crafted myself. These spells can EASILY be achieved within 2 weeks if you have the regs, 3 weeks if you don't.
Healing my allies greatly helped them save up mana and reagents while also allowing them to focus on the enemy. Of course I wasn't the only healer but you see my point. I CAN participate in PvP even though I do not have the "stats and skills", then again, I'm not rushing on the grind as I play mainly as a craftor/support character.
Either way, you CAN be usefull in PvP in various ways.
BUT, Carebear in DarkFall does not work well. They will create this type of thread on forum (this one for exemple), saying that DarkFall has little PvP. Goes to shows how ignorant OP is and also how Carebear he is as he has yet to leave the Starter Area. Eh...been quite a while since I used the term "Carebear" when talking about someone.....goes to show how horribly ignorant OP is.
You're cool to play the way you want of course...it's Darkfall, and the freedom it represents gives you that ability. But stop trying to tell people that they "have to" play a certain way in order to be "PVP ready", because it's crap.
Spot on. There are various ways to play DarkFall
Even as a new player, you can still greatly contribute to your group/clan in many various ways even if you do not have the stats.
I only have 250 HP at the moment (Mirdain) and during the raid on Kryzerok (TCA vs. Turtle&friends) I was on the top floor of the keep healing allies with Heal Other (Greater Magic 15.0), Lay On Hand (Lesser Magic 1.00), Sacrifice (Spell Chanting 30.0) and Heal Self (Starter Spell). I was using a rank 40 staff (Blackbolt) that I crafted myself. These spells can EASILY be achieved within 2 weeks if you have the regs, 3 weeks if you don't.
Healing my allies greatly helped them save up mana and reagents while also allowing them to focus on the enemy. Of course I wasn't the only healer but you see my point. I CAN participate in PvP even though I do not have the "stats and skills", then again, I'm not rushing on the grind as I play mainly as a craftor/support character.
Either way, you CAN be usefull in PvP in various ways.
BUT, Carebear in DarkFall does not work well. They will create this type of thread on forum (this one for exemple), saying that DarkFall has little PvP. Goes to shows how ignorant OP is and also how Carebear he is as he has yet to leave the Starter Area. Eh...been quite a while since I used the term "Carebear" when talking about someone.....goes to show how horribly ignorant OP is.
Read the thread this has already been covered.
Yes, you can pay a monthly subscription and serve other players in your clan that can actually PVP with other players that have done the necessary amount of PVE.
Yes, you can pay a monthly subscription and serve other players in your clan that can actually PVP with other players that have done the necessary amount of PVE.
Ehh...... serve other players?
That's actually called group play, everyone serves each other. The melee players serve the healers by tanking/protecting them and the healers serve the meleers by healing them.
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I think that's the moment where you have to decide if you want to join the group of people for whom stats is more important than the RP part. Neither is worse no better, it's just a matter of preference.
The one group are the numbercrunchers, who peel away the surface of the game and calculate which way is the most effective to do something. Like people who choose one race solely for the reason that it has a few % points more health than another. Or people who use a fireball instead of a lightning bolt because it is delivering 0.4% more damage for the mana spent. It's the moment when the lore becomes irrelevant, where the roleplay gets abandoned, where immersion falls away.
The other end of the scale are the roleplayers, who even weaken themselves if it helps the immersion and getting into the role.
Of course most people are between the two groups.
And of course it does not only depend on your personal playstyle but also on how the game is set up. In some games you are basically forced to behave in a way that looks stupid for any outside because it's so unrealistic, if you want to progress. In other games it's the other way round.
It probably has also to do with how much you know about a game. IE if you know a game well, and a patch adds a new spell, you might think "bah that one is 13% worse than what we had before, how useless". While a newer player might think "boah man, that spell is so fricking cool I love it!".
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
You can't. And it wouldn't be an MMO if you could, it would be an FPS.
Stay with friends or clan mates if you anticipate PVP. If you're just out training by yourself, expect that you might get rolled...learn to deal with it. Gear is replaceable.
And what do you consider "PVP ready", may I ask?? The ability to kill anyone you meet one on one?? OR.....the ability to participate in PVP, be a contributing player, and have fun??
If it's the former....get over it. If you spend all your time in game aiming for that goal, you're wasting your time and you're money. Because those vets you are trying to catch up to are improving every day....you will NEVER, EVER catch up to them.
So, get that into your head NOW, and start enjoying the game.
As to the text I highlighted in red, I have to say this:: Leave the starter town.....as in, walk out beyond the wall. Because the only place you are even kind of safe is in a starter city, and then only if you're blue and unclanned.
Honestly, I have to wonder if you've really even played this game, and I know I'm not the only one around here thinking this way.
Starter Towns are meant to be a "safer" area for new players to learn the ropes. If you wish to experience the game, you need to leave the area.
As for new players adventuring outside, when I joined DarkFall in November, I also joined NEW. NEW's city is located in Hammerdale(Human lands) and my character is a Mirdain who started in Mir Bellith. I WALKED from Mir Bellith to Hammerdale, the ride took about 90 minutes. During this long trip, I learned about various monster spawns, found various chaos chests, avoided several PvP encounters by hiding behind trees, bushes, going underwater, etc. I have not died a single time mainly because I took all the precautions and my strongest skill was Mana Missile rank 25ish.
I think I will be reporting this guy for trolling. I mean it's so obvious he doesn't play DarkFall otherwise he's the biggest CareBear attempting PvP that I have ever seen.
I have this sneaking suspicion that you've not ventured very far away from your "safe" little haven.
I really hate when people play in one tiny area of a game and make huge sweeping statements as if they've actually PLAYED the game. People do this with Fallen Earth all the time too, and most of them have no fucking idea what they're talking about. I even see people do this with WoW...of all the insane things.
You cannot wrap yourself in a cocoon in ANY game and expect to have a clue what the entirety of the game is ABOUT. That's just ludicrous. If people want to know what a game IS....they should ask people that have actually played the game proper, not someone who is playing PART of the game.
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And what do you consider "PVP ready", may I ask?? The ability to kill anyone you meet one on one?? OR.....the ability to participate in PVP, be a contributing player, and have fun??
A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
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Wait, what? I thought you said DF was a PvE game. I'm really confused....
(not really...it's not too confusing to spot a troll and know a troll is a troll)
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Wait, what? I thought you said DF was a PvE game. I'm really confused....
(not really...it's not too confusing to spot a troll and know a troll is a troll)
If you've never played this game this would be confusing. Thinking that you can ride and explore and then stumble your way through PVP with a veteran player is a fairy tale. You will lose no matter what so stick to PVE until you can put up some resistance. When I say Veteran player it doesn't mean that they are any good at the game it just means that they have higher Stats/Skills which grossly tilts the fight in their favor. This is why Darkfall is PVE is the best method until you can actually explore or whatever these posters say they participate. If you PVE until you attain the stats/skills Ive mentioned you will be able to fight that one person that you may encounter during your PVE. I can't say this enough Darkfall is PVE so if you like PVE buy the game and have some mob killing fun because you will enjoy/endure massive doses of PVE before you can effectively resist any PVP that happens to come across your PVE path.
A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
Ah, so you are saying that you intend to hide in the n00b area spawns until you think you have enough skills and stats to take on anyone you meet one-on-one.
You're trying to solo through a game designed for clan warfare. Good luck with that. No wonder you're so confused.
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Wait, what? I thought you said DF was a PvE game. I'm really confused....
(not really...it's not too confusing to spot a troll and know a troll is a troll)
If you've never played this game this would be confusing. Thinking that you can ride and explore and then stumble your way through PVP with a veteran player is a fairy tale. You will lose no matter what so stick to PVE until you can put up some resistance. When I say Veteran player it doesn't mean that they are any good at the game it just means that they have higher Stats/Skills which grossly tilts the fight in their favor. This is why Darkfall is PVE is the best method until you can actually explore or whatever these posters say they participate. If you PVE until you attain the stats/skills Ive mentioned you will be able to fight that one person that you may encounter during your PVE. I can't say this enough Darkfall is PVE so if you like PVE buy the game and have some mob killing fun because you will enjoy/endure massive doses of PVE before you can effectively resist any PVP that happens to come across your PVE path.
Who in their right mind would think that when you're brand new you COULD win in such a fight? But to gimp yourself by never taking any risks in a world that, for most, is all about exploration, risk, and reward...seems...idk....weird to me. I guess to each their own though.... *shrug*
I would EXPECT to get killed some times in an FFA loot PvP game. That's just part of "paying the dues" in games of that nature. In Ultima Online, it was no different. But I would never say "Ultima Online is a PvE game," no...just no. Just because you can DO some PvE in a game, doesn't mean it's the main focus of the game. A great PvP game, imo....does have PvE IN it, but that doesn't make it, as YOU are trying to make it sound, "a PvE game."
Example: WoW, played on a PvE server, is a PvE game. I think you would find coming from a WoW PvE server (even if you participate in PvP within WoW ON said server), that your experience in DFO would be VASTLY different. Different, because....it is not a "PvE game." It is a PvP game with PvE. I realize this is basically an argument of semantics, but I think you're portraying it in a way that, from what little I know of the game, is still a gross misrepresentation.
Some veteran correct me please, if I am wrong.....
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A new player should attain 50 in Stats and 75+ in Skills. Anything less than this and PVP will be onesided which isn't a fun experience to me personally. I've killed over 1,000 Goblins and over 400 Trolls and Im in the high 30's in stats and 50's in Skills. I'm guessing I'll have to kill another 10,000 trolls maybe more which is fine because as I've stated Darkfall is PVE so I know what I'm in for ahead of time. I play a lot so I figure this PVE endeavor will take me roughly another 2-3 months to accomplish and that seems to be right around par vs. similar PVE MMO's.
Ah, so you are saying that you intend to hide in the n00b area spawns until you think you have enough skills and stats to take on anyone you meet one-on-one.
You're trying to solo through a game designed for clan warfare. Good luck with that. No wonder you're so confused.
These posters keep trying to feed you this get away from the starter areas and participate in all that is harsh Darkfall. The trolls are not within any new protection area so disregard this person. This game allows you the freedom to PVE until you can effectively compete with game-time maturated players end game. Any deviation from this is a fallacy and shouldn't be spread among the potential new player base.
I am going to surprise even myself but I have to say it: I think you misunderstood Darkfall with a FPS game. It could be different from the most MMOs on the market, but it is still a MMORPG. You are not able to fully enjoy all game content after a month of subscription.
A hint:
It is called stable monthly revenue aka grind. Is it necessary for a successful MMORPG ? I doubt it, but for now it is the most popular trend between MMORPG developers, because it buys them time to fix their half finished products and repair their budget.
What stops you from grabbing some gear and a mount and taking your chances at easy mob spawns of your enemy races ? I got 6 kills and actually managed to bank my loot at a bank without a tower. I died from a vet only because I was cheeky enough to bank it in the front of a scared newbie who I ganked 20 minutes before that.
Funny thing is that with my r40 2 h I actually managed to take down that vet to half of his health before he and his friend got me AFTER I lost half of my HP to a NPC tower.
What stops you from grabbing some gear and a mount and taking your chances at easy mob spawns of your enemy races ? I got 6 kills and actually managed to bank my loot at a bank without a tower. I died from a vet only because I was cheeky enough to bank it in the front of a scared newbie who I ganked 20 minutes before that.
Funny thing is that with my r40 2 h I actually managed to take down that vet to half of his health before he and his friend got me AFTER I lost half of my HP to a NPC tower.
If you do what this player did to skill up you would have wasted the time he did possibly more. These posters don't realize that all of what they recommend doing is a gross waste of time as far as PVE production which is a direct result of stat/skill gain which is what you will need end game. If you like to explore, join clans, get destroyed by veteran players etc, you are free to do so absolutely. I'm saying that Darkfall is PVE so do it in the most productive way possible.
He is kind of right in a way. If you are carebearish like the OP and hang out in troll camps 24/7 then he is point blank and you will only pvp when someone wants your trolls.
If you like PVP and join a clan I guarantee you will have PVP opportunities on a daily basis. I fight PVP in solo and group encounters every day. If its a slow day which is rare, I go to an enemy city or town and raid there mine/kill there players. sometime I die doing that but its fun.
But the OP is right, if you hang out in troll camps you probably will only see other nubs fighting over the troll stash
Just a medium char with
350 health,
maxed archery,
2-hand weapon 75+ mastery,
Witches brew 75+ ,
stoneskin 75+,
Stamina to health 75+
two magic scholls of 100 with
Two skill 50 spells at 75 + (for fast cycling)
One skill 90 spell 75+
One skill 100 spell 75+
I still only have 50+ in some of the spells, but I`m working on them every night. If you like horsefighting, your 1-hand should be in the 75+ mastery too. Sure I got alot of other spells like confusion, wall of force, spell reflect, sacrifice etc. I`ve stopped thinking of getting a high level char, and will settle for this.
Man you are going to burn out from this game soooo fast. Some of the people in this thread are very experienced in Darkfall, you would only be doing yourself a favor in heeding the advice they are dishing out.
You can torture yourself for months if you want (assuming you even last that long playing the way you are), or as many of us have been doing for months, you can play this game the right way and have a helluva a lot of fun.
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Just a medium char with
350 health,
maxed archery,
2-hand weapon 75+ mastery,
Witches brew 75+ ,
stoneskin 75+,
Stamina to health 75+
two magic scholls of 100 with
Two skill 50 spells at 75 + (for fast cycling)
One skill 90 spell 75+
One skill 100 spell 75+
Exactly what I have stated. This person plays Darkfall.
Just a medium char with
350 health,
maxed archery,
2-hand weapon 75+ mastery,
Witches brew 75+ ,
stoneskin 75+,
Stamina to health 75+
two magic scholls of 100 with
Two skill 50 spells at 75 + (for fast cycling)
One skill 90 spell 75+
One skill 100 spell 75+
I still only have 50+ in some of the spells, but I`m working on them every night. If you like horsefighting, your 1-hand should be in the 75+ mastery too. Sure I got alot of other spells like confusion, wall of force, spell reflect, sacrifice etc. I`ve stopped thinking of getting a high level char, and will settle for this.
Hehe, I agree with this post
But... horsefighting is for noobs, that is unless you don't like your horse =D
I have been playing Darkfall for about a week now and have not been attacked much. There is PvP, I hear about it in the chat channels, my buddy has his skills way up there and is out with his clan fighting other clans, doing sieges, and having sea battles all the time. The begining of the game DOES seem like its more PVE, for me I am thankful because when I do get occasionally jumped I get my butt kicked before I can tell whats happening. So yea until you get your skills to where you can fight back, and leave the newbie areas, the only PvP you see is idiots camping newbies.
I have been getting very addicted to this game. This is my second attempt at it. The UI and Skill Grind is sometihng to get used to but the game makes you feel like you earn your skills and your way in the game. It's fun, can't wait to see what lifes like later when I can actually put up a fight.
Just a medium char with
350 health,
maxed archery,
2-hand weapon 75+ mastery,
Witches brew 75+ ,
stoneskin 75+,
Stamina to health 75+
two magic scholls of 100 with
Two skill 50 spells at 75 + (for fast cycling)
One skill 90 spell 75+
One skill 100 spell 75+
I still only have 50+ in some of the spells, but I`m working on them every night. If you like horsefighting, your 1-hand should be in the 75+ mastery too. Sure I got alot of other spells like confusion, wall of force, spell reflect, sacrifice etc. I`ve stopped thinking of getting a high level char, and will settle for this.
I will bring my riding party consisting of 2 mages having 2 spells at 50, 1 rider and 1 on foot and 2 archers and we kill you. You are not PvP ready i am afraid..
These is not a arena type of game where you pick you fights, sometimes you can , sometimes not, sometimes the additional heal of a newb was what made the diffrence..
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These posters keep trying to feed you this get away from the starter areas and participate in all that is harsh Darkfall. The trolls are not within any new protection area so disregard this person. This game allows you the freedom to PVE until you can effectively compete with game-time maturated players end game. Any deviation from this is a fallacy and shouldn't be spread among the potential new player base.
LOL....troll spawns can be found very close to starting towns. You're still in the n00b area, I'm afraid.
Hey, keep deluding yourself. I havn't touched a mob in 4 days and yet I've advanced many of my skills by several points.....ALL through PVP.
Tomorrow, I'll farm some mobs....for materials I need for spells....not because I have to, but because I'm too cheap to buy my regs
You're cool to play the way you want of course...it's Darkfall, and the freedom it represents gives you that ability. But stop trying to tell people that they "have to" play a certain way in order to be "PVP ready", because it's crap.
Spot on. There are various ways to play DarkFall
Even as a new player, you can still greatly contribute to your group/clan in many various ways even if you do not have the stats.
I only have 250 HP at the moment (Mirdain) and during the raid on Kryzerok (TCA vs. Turtle&friends) I was on the top floor of the keep healing allies with Heal Other (Greater Magic 15.0), Lay On Hand (Lesser Magic 1.00), Sacrifice (Spell Chanting 30.0) and Heal Self (Starter Spell). I was using a rank 40 staff (Blackbolt) that I crafted myself. These spells can EASILY be achieved within 2 weeks if you have the regs, 3 weeks if you don't.
Healing my allies greatly helped them save up mana and reagents while also allowing them to focus on the enemy. Of course I wasn't the only healer but you see my point. I CAN participate in PvP even though I do not have the "stats and skills", then again, I'm not rushing on the grind as I play mainly as a craftor/support character.
Either way, you CAN be usefull in PvP in various ways.
BUT, Carebear in DarkFall does not work well. They will create this type of thread on forum (this one for exemple), saying that DarkFall has little PvP. Goes to shows how ignorant OP is and also how Carebear he is as he has yet to leave the Starter Area. Eh...been quite a while since I used the term "Carebear" when talking about someone.....goes to show how horribly ignorant OP is.
Spot on. There are various ways to play DarkFall
Even as a new player, you can still greatly contribute to your group/clan in many various ways even if you do not have the stats.
I only have 250 HP at the moment (Mirdain) and during the raid on Kryzerok (TCA vs. Turtle&friends) I was on the top floor of the keep healing allies with Heal Other (Greater Magic 15.0), Lay On Hand (Lesser Magic 1.00), Sacrifice (Spell Chanting 30.0) and Heal Self (Starter Spell). I was using a rank 40 staff (Blackbolt) that I crafted myself. These spells can EASILY be achieved within 2 weeks if you have the regs, 3 weeks if you don't.
Healing my allies greatly helped them save up mana and reagents while also allowing them to focus on the enemy. Of course I wasn't the only healer but you see my point. I CAN participate in PvP even though I do not have the "stats and skills", then again, I'm not rushing on the grind as I play mainly as a craftor/support character.
Either way, you CAN be usefull in PvP in various ways.
BUT, Carebear in DarkFall does not work well. They will create this type of thread on forum (this one for exemple), saying that DarkFall has little PvP. Goes to shows how ignorant OP is and also how Carebear he is as he has yet to leave the Starter Area. Eh...been quite a while since I used the term "Carebear" when talking about someone.....goes to show how horribly ignorant OP is.
Read the thread this has already been covered.
Yes, you can pay a monthly subscription and serve other players in your clan that can actually PVP with other players that have done the necessary amount of PVE.
Ehh...... serve other players?
That's actually called group play, everyone serves each other. The melee players serve the healers by tanking/protecting them and the healers serve the meleers by healing them.
That's what mmorpgs are about, you know?