Has there ever been more of a fuss raised about something as stupid as this on here? Jumping and swimming just wow. I could see bitching about controls or slow combat or even groups needed to kill a goat but jumping and swimming? People need to really get out more.
.....says the guy with 2250 posts on MMORPG.com
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Says you, and thats your opinion, others may need that to get the full enjoyment out of the game, just like some people need pvp and some dont. Its a matter of opinion you cant say what other people need and dont need in there games. You dont and thats ok, some want it because they feel limited without it.
Well if they need jumping and swimming to get full enjoyment out of a game then they should not be playing games. I seriously don't see a need for jumping and swimming in every single game just because WoW did it there is no point to it.
Yes, but having these freedoms of movement are not features, they are expected functionality in an immersive game made for launch in 2010-2011. If your game has water, it better be swimmable. If your game is three dimensions, we should be able to jump on or over some things in the game world. If your game is calling itself an MMORPG, it better damned well have social RPG elements in it such as sitting down. Having invisible walls and other amatuerish limitations is simply ludicrous in today's gaming age.
If they took shortcuts in quality / immersiveness here, where else?
There is not quality or immersion with swimming and jumping it's just a useless action. I would much rather have the "quality and immersion" for swimming and jumping put into missions. Swimming and jumping play no role in an MMO.
You have never played an MMO where swimming under the water was part of the game play?? You have it backwards. Having an invisible wall around a body of water has no place in an MMO.
No Jumping? Jumping up on ledges, over items in the game, etc? I don't understand what games you have played, but you would have to be a serious FF fanboy in denial to be making the statements you are.
jumping and swimimng never made me feel immersed
Really? What does? Running up to a body of water in a game and hitting an invisible wall keeping you out of the water because the coders couldn't figure out swimming?? Even in LOTRO you can't go under the water but you can swim over it, and indeed you are expected to as part of game play. It makes the world feel much more whole and doesn't amount to much work in the programming department.
The point is, anytime you run into invisible walls, loading screens and other such interruptions, immersion tends to get broken. This was and still is one of the biggest complaints about AoC. Some of you might be ok with this, but the general mmo gamer sees it as a joke. I wish you guys the best with your game. These types of things are deal breakers for me.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Has there ever been more of a fuss raised about something as stupid as this on here? Jumping and swimming just wow. I could see bitching about controls or slow combat or even groups needed to kill a goat but jumping and swimming? People need to really get out more.
.....says the guy with 2250 posts on MMORPG.com
Which is over 5 and a half years which most come in spurts. So average thats about 1 post per day.
Perhaps you should tell us exactly what we are allowed to discuss, so we don't upset you. Gameplay mechanics, such as how the player moves about the world should be a valid subject, I would think.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
<...>Really? What does? Running up to a body of water in a game and hitting an invisible wall keeping you out of the water because the coders couldn't figure out swimming?? Even in LOTRO you can't go under the water but you can swim over it, and indeed you are expected to as part of game play. It makes the world feel much more whole and doesn't amount to much work in the programming department.
The point is, anytime you run into invisible walls, loading screens and other such interruptions, immersion tends to get broken. This was and still is one of the biggest complaints about AoC. Some of you might be ok with this, but the general mmo gamer sees it as a joke. I wish you guys the best with your game. These types of things are deal breakers for me.
Uhhh, the water is completely useless in LOTRO--if you can't fully interact with the water as though you are swimming, as in being able to swim under the surface, then it might as well be an invisible wall or have a bridge placed over it. However, if you like the game well enough even with this limitation by all means enjoy yourself playing it. Been there, done that. Next game please.
The point is there are artificial boundaries in almost every terrestrial MMO I've ever played, whether it's an impassable rock wall/mountain side along the edges of a zone or an invisible boundary that you can't cross or one that triggers zone loading. Each game does certain things better than others, and some not as well. WoW arguably does most of them better than the rest, and how many of us care to go back and play it? Been there, done that. No thanks.
As far as their being no sitting or jumping, I could go on and on for hours about these two. If it means I don't have to watch some dumb sh!t spam jump by holding their space bar down anytime they get bored, then I'll gladly take the no jumping limitation. If sitting doesn't actually do anything, like rest states in old school MMOs where you could sit to expedite recovery of mana/hp, then I really couldn't care less if they skip the effort of making animations for it.
Really? What does? Running up to a body of water in a game and hitting an invisible wall keeping you out of the water because the coders couldn't figure out swimming?? Even in LOTRO you can't go under the water but you can swim over it, and indeed you are expected to as part of game play. It makes the world feel much more whole and doesn't amount to much work in the programming department.
The point is, anytime you run into invisible walls, loading screens and other such interruptions, immersion tends to get broken. This was and still is one of the biggest complaints about AoC. Some of you might be ok with this, but the general mmo gamer sees it as a joke. I wish you guys the best with your game. These types of things are deal breakers for me.
Wait, what? Who put you in charge of saying who and what the "general mmo gamer" is? Sorry to inform you but you are just some random player with no authority to decide what is what in anything other than your life. Now if you would of said I see it as a joke ok. But for you to claim to know what everyone wants its just stupid, no one elected you for MMO Gamer President so therefore you have no right to say anything to do with what the "General MMO gamer" wants. Now if you say a lot of people want it then fine but do not use words that you do not really know the meanin of.
I am not defending those that dont care or offending those that wish to have a certain mechanic in a game that they might be interested in playing. But there is no "General MMO gamer" and if there is no one can say that they know what they want unless you have a vote of all the MMO gamers of the world then you can't say what they all want. I do not doubt that a lot wish the whole jumping/swimming/crapping/sleeping/eating are out there but please do not generalize. Do not put words in other people's mouths when they are not here or when you have others that are saying that you are wrong, because at that point they did prove you wrong.
For me, no jumping/sitting/swimming is a minor annoyance. The main reason I probably won't play this game is because of how slow the game plays. I watched some vids on youtube and it was a big turnoff. Same reason I don't play FFXI. I tried FFXI a while back on PC and playing at a snails pace was so boring.
All games MMO or single player games have boundries.People keep ranting is 2010 we need to have this and that.You know how many people tought in 1980-1990 that by 2000 we would have flying cars and cities on the moon.The same goes with gaming industry , is not as advanced as many of you think. Any of you have any idea how hard is to make a video game ?. For god sake Blizard just spent 100mill to make a strategy game.I love SC2 but is just stupid.Many of you guys will never be pleased simply becouse you expect to much.
O yea this was about FFXIV, kinda forget after hearing so much stupidity from both Fans and trolls.FFXIV is like it is and the developers dont give a shit bout what you or i think, as simple as that.If you can put up with that buy it . If not just stfu and move on.
The best advise would be to take the mature choice to WAIT untill its released there are enough fanboys to make it succed outside of MMORPG.COM comunity.Myself i am a FF fan boy so i will buy it at release.
APB, AoC, DFO, MO, FE, EQ, EQ2, UO (Had sitting), WoW, I could go on....... but... its safe to say that Jumping and swimming are standard, not what people think may happen in MMO's in 10-20 years. Sitting was done back in the 90's.
Just pointing out your rant was completely useless and had nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
The rest is your standard MMO default argument, "The devs don't care what you want, there are more than enough players that are interested without anyone else wanting to play so you don't matter, stfu and move on. Be mature and wait for the release before you judge".
1) Jumping / Swimming really doesn't mean that much to me.
2) The emo losers who this does mean alot to, aren't the people that I want to play games with, and if they won't be playing FFXIV, well then that's all the more reason for me to play it.
So people who like to jump and swim, which are staples of almost every MMO, are emo losers? Yes, I have yet another reason for why I will likely not be playing this, him.
No, but the ones who base their decision on whether or not to play a game based on the presence or absence of jumping and/or swimming are.
Oh? Well people who would play an RPG without the ablility to RP basic human movements like swimming and jumping are simpletons. (That's what we're doing, now, right? Insulting people based on gameplay preferences?)
Considering that's all the people who won't play this game bitch about, yeah, insults galore.. Why? Because I'm sick of reading their incomprehensable babble. Rather than, say, try the open beta when it's available and make conclusions there, we get the standard handful of morons who decide they are going to post passive-aggressive bait threads simply to stroke their epeen so they feel better about purchasing, or not purchasing a game..
No Jumping/No Swimming.. Instead of making the intelligent choice to just avoid the game, we get your icons of American teenage intelligence who decide instead that they will start YET ANOTHER THREAD as to why this decision by SE will cause the 2012 apocalypse sending the world into emminent peril and a great MMO depression from which the gaming community will never recover.
Nothing but stupidity at it's finest. But hey, if that's the level of comprehension and thought you would like to be associated with, I'm sure not going to stop you.
Actually I kinda just like to tally votes. Whether or not some agree with me isn't that big a deal when you grow up you realize your opinion aint really worth didly.
I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
I guess game controllers never existed in your play style? FFXI was amazing on the controller and from playing the beta FFXIV is also very smooth on the controller, FF games are usually always designed with the controller in mind.
I have seen jump implemented but only once have I ever really seen it used in a mmo and as a matter of fact even if you missed the jump you could still get around it. Final Fantasy's leveling systems were the most compelling part of the game. So I am sorry you won't be playing it but I also am glad because that is one less whiner to have to wade through on the forums.
If you don't care about opinions then why are you tallying opinions? They obviously mean something to you. If not then this whole thing was just a troll looking to feed and apparently we have all just filled your appetite. So which is it? Did you lie about not caring or are you just a troll?
Swimming and Jumping are not simply emotes, how many raids in WoW require you to make a precise jump, the amount of people I feather failed to save there buts and swimming... there is nothing less immersive then watching your demon slaying, dragon killing mofo of a bad ass walk into a pond and promptly drown aka Aion. This is plain BACKWARD.
If you don't care about opinions then why are you tallying opinions? They obviously mean something to you. If not then this whole thing was just a troll looking to feed and apparently we have all just filled your appetite. So which is it? Did you lie about not caring or are you just a troll?
First off look at the lenght of the thread I have had many polls pertaioning to this game this one is just talked to death. Once you vote at this point what you have to say is senseless their are 7 pages of arguments already whatever any has to say has been said and likely better. So basically the only one who gave a damn about your opinion id me and now I dont anymore. Any further post are just
All games MMO or single player games have boundries.People keep ranting is 2010 we need to have this and that.You know how many people tought in 1980-1990 that by 2000 we would have flying cars and cities on the moon.The same goes with gaming industry , is not as advanced as many of you think. Any of you have any idea how hard is to make a video game ?. For god sake Blizard just spent 100mill to make a strategy game.I love SC2 but is just stupid.Many of you guys will never be pleased simply becouse you expect to much.
O yea this was about FFXIV, kinda forget after hearing so much stupidity from both Fans and trolls.FFXIV is like it is and the developers dont give a shit bout what you or i think, as simple as that.If you can put up with that buy it . If not just stfu and move on.
The best advise would be to take the mature choice to WAIT untill its released there are enough fanboys to make it succed outside of MMORPG.COM comunity.Myself i am a FF fan boy so i will buy it at release.
APB, AoC, DFO, MO, FE, EQ, EQ2, UO (Had sitting), WoW, I could go on....... but... its safe to say that Jumping and swimming are standard, not what people think may happen in MMO's in 10-20 years. Sitting was done back in the 90's.
Just pointing out your rant was completely useless and had nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
The rest is your standard MMO default argument, "The devs don't care what you want, there are more than enough players that are interested without anyone else wanting to play so you don't matter, stfu and move on. Be mature and wait for the release before you judge".
... and MMO's are supposed to be about being in a game where you are free to do as you please.
A deeply flawed and ultimately false statement on MMO design. You may want to meditate on the concept a bit, or at the very least educate yourself some on the industry, because it just illustrates an ignorance of MMOs to say such silly things.
Ultimately Skeeterxi had the right answer. If there are points where it's clearly advantageous to jump, something frequently included in similiar games, its absence in FFXIV will only come across as frustrating, useless and a major detriment to enjoy the game. But it depends largely on terrain and world design.
Experienced gamers know that it's not just about whether or not the jumping is included as a movement feature. There are plenty of titles that are excellent games which forgo the act of jumping. Many of which MMO players love to simply dimiss in their ongoing genre arrogance. I'm not certain I'll get the game yet but it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with a meaningless feature like jumping, or the lack thereof. Although I will certainly be happy the little children that can't stop jumping in most MMO's, and feel the need to whine about it's lack of it here, won't be present. It's at least a minor upside to the situation.
Your own assessment is one of pure ignorance.
Case in point. You climb a hill. 3 sides of the hill have a steep drop, but its not a high drop. Consider it something you could jump off of. There's something you want on the other side, or perhaps you just want to travel the shortest distance from point A to point B.
Instead you have to go back down the way you came, go around, etc.
Jumping just became something in game that you missed. It really is that simple.
In FFXIV players will be surrounded by invisible walls. Walls that didnt even exist in ancient titles like EverQuest.
We have a three dimensional world being simulated. Characters should have the illusion of three dimensional freedom. Not some camera tied rigidly to the shoulder of the avatar, but an avatar that exhibits the freedom of movement expected at our current level of technology.
You can run around calling people kids because they want to jump if you like. In the end though that just makes you a name caller, and isnt that what kids do?
He does have a point. If a person chooses to completely ignore FF XIV due to the lack of jumping, that would indicate immature behaviour which is most likely found among "kids".
While some people enjoy the movement freedom jumping provides in their mmorpgs and others don't care that much, it is absurd to completely disregard a title due to the lack of it.
I have no idea how wanting freedom of movement in a game is any way to mesure maturity. Maybe, some people would not care to add another game to a list of 'bills' they already pay, especially when the game is a full 3D action fantasy, but with very limited movement and interaction of enviroment. I don't subscribe to other games because of their limited, linear terrains, and others for a slew of other reasons. That is a choice as a consumer. If I am going to pay monthly for something, it should offer what I like. I like to feel at one with my surrondings in a game, not glued to the ground.
Splendid how I did all that and managed to not throw snide comments, and make empty assumptions about people who are actually discussing what the thread is about.
... and MMO's are supposed to be about being in a game where you are free to do as you please.
A deeply flawed and ultimately false statement on MMO design. You may want to meditate on the concept a bit, or at the very least educate yourself some on the industry, because it just illustrates an ignorance of MMOs to say such silly things.
Ultimately Skeeterxi had the right answer. If there are points where it's clearly advantageous to jump, something frequently included in similiar games, its absence in FFXIV will only come across as frustrating, useless and a major detriment to enjoy the game. But it depends largely on terrain and world design.
Experienced gamers know that it's not just about whether or not the jumping is included as a movement feature. There are plenty of titles that are excellent games which forgo the act of jumping. Many of which MMO players love to simply dimiss in their ongoing genre arrogance. I'm not certain I'll get the game yet but it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with a meaningless feature like jumping, or the lack thereof. Although I will certainly be happy the little children that can't stop jumping in most MMO's, and feel the need to whine about it's lack of it here, won't be present. It's at least a minor upside to the situation.
Your own assessment is one of pure ignorance.
Case in point. You climb a hill. 3 sides of the hill have a steep drop, but its not a high drop. Consider it something you could jump off of. There's something you want on the other side, or perhaps you just want to travel the shortest distance from point A to point B.
Instead you have to go back down the way you came, go around, etc.
Jumping just became something in game that you missed. It really is that simple.
In FFXIV players will be surrounded by invisible walls. Walls that didnt even exist in ancient titles like EverQuest.
We have a three dimensional world being simulated. Characters should have the illusion of three dimensional freedom. Not some camera tied rigidly to the shoulder of the avatar, but an avatar that exhibits the freedom of movement expected at our current level of technology.
You can run around calling people kids because they want to jump if you like. In the end though that just makes you a name caller, and isnt that what kids do?
He does have a point. If a person chooses to completely ignore FF XIV due to the lack of jumping, that would indicate immature behaviour which is most likely found among "kids".
While some people enjoy the movement freedom jumping provides in their mmorpgs and others don't care that much, it is absurd to completely disregard a title due to the lack of it.
I have no idea how wanting freedom of movement in a game is any way to mesure maturity. Maybe, some people would not care to add another game to a list of 'bills' they already pay, especially when the game is a full 3D action fantasy, but with very limited movement and interaction of enviroment. I don't subscribe to other games because of their limited, linear terrains, and others for a slew of other reasons. That is a choice as a consumer. If I am going to pay monthly for something, it should offer what I like. I like to feel at one with my surrondings in a game, not glued to the ground.
Splendid how I did all that and managed to not throw snide comments, and make empty assumptions about people who are actually discussing what the thread is about.
well said, i feel the same well, however im going to give it a try none the less, enjoying what i see apart from the fact i cant jump around annoying people and float around in the water! xD (people could call me the human frog )
... and MMO's are supposed to be about being in a game where you are free to do as you please.
A deeply flawed and ultimately false statement on MMO design. You may want to meditate on the concept a bit, or at the very least educate yourself some on the industry, because it just illustrates an ignorance of MMOs to say such silly things.
Ultimately Skeeterxi had the right answer. If there are points where it's clearly advantageous to jump, something frequently included in similiar games, its absence in FFXIV will only come across as frustrating, useless and a major detriment to enjoy the game. But it depends largely on terrain and world design.
Experienced gamers know that it's not just about whether or not the jumping is included as a movement feature. There are plenty of titles that are excellent games which forgo the act of jumping. Many of which MMO players love to simply dimiss in their ongoing genre arrogance. I'm not certain I'll get the game yet but it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with a meaningless feature like jumping, or the lack thereof. Although I will certainly be happy the little children that can't stop jumping in most MMO's, and feel the need to whine about it's lack of it here, won't be present. It's at least a minor upside to the situation.
Your own assessment is one of pure ignorance.
Case in point. You climb a hill. 3 sides of the hill have a steep drop, but its not a high drop. Consider it something you could jump off of. There's something you want on the other side, or perhaps you just want to travel the shortest distance from point A to point B.
Instead you have to go back down the way you came, go around, etc.
Jumping just became something in game that you missed. It really is that simple.
In FFXIV players will be surrounded by invisible walls. Walls that didnt even exist in ancient titles like EverQuest.
We have a three dimensional world being simulated. Characters should have the illusion of three dimensional freedom. Not some camera tied rigidly to the shoulder of the avatar, but an avatar that exhibits the freedom of movement expected at our current level of technology.
You can run around calling people kids because they want to jump if you like. In the end though that just makes you a name caller, and isnt that what kids do?
He does have a point. If a person chooses to completely ignore FF XIV due to the lack of jumping, that would indicate immature behaviour which is most likely found among "kids".
While some people enjoy the movement freedom jumping provides in their mmorpgs and others don't care that much, it is absurd to completely disregard a title due to the lack of it.
I have no idea how wanting freedom of movement in a game is any way to mesure maturity. Maybe, some people would not care to add another game to a list of 'bills' they already pay, especially when the game is a full 3D action fantasy, but with very limited movement and interaction of enviroment. I don't subscribe to other games because of their limited, linear terrains, and others for a slew of other reasons. That is a choice as a consumer. If I am going to pay monthly for something, it should offer what I like. I like to feel at one with my surrondings in a game, not glued to the ground.
Splendid how I did all that and managed to not throw snide comments, and make empty assumptions about people who are actually discussing what the thread is about.
well said, i feel the same well, however im going to give it a try none the less, enjoying what i see apart from the fact i cant jump around annoying people and float around in the water! xD (people could call me the human frog )
Down the line, and after a free trial is offered, I would probably still give it a look. That way, if it is not for me, there is no loss except my time.
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.....says the guy with 2250 posts on MMORPG.com
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Really? What does? Running up to a body of water in a game and hitting an invisible wall keeping you out of the water because the coders couldn't figure out swimming?? Even in LOTRO you can't go under the water but you can swim over it, and indeed you are expected to as part of game play. It makes the world feel much more whole and doesn't amount to much work in the programming department.
The point is, anytime you run into invisible walls, loading screens and other such interruptions, immersion tends to get broken. This was and still is one of the biggest complaints about AoC. Some of you might be ok with this, but the general mmo gamer sees it as a joke. I wish you guys the best with your game. These types of things are deal breakers for me.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Perhaps you should tell us exactly what we are allowed to discuss, so we don't upset you. Gameplay mechanics, such as how the player moves about the world should be a valid subject, I would think.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Uhhh, the water is completely useless in LOTRO--if you can't fully interact with the water as though you are swimming, as in being able to swim under the surface, then it might as well be an invisible wall or have a bridge placed over it. However, if you like the game well enough even with this limitation by all means enjoy yourself playing it. Been there, done that. Next game please.
The point is there are artificial boundaries in almost every terrestrial MMO I've ever played, whether it's an impassable rock wall/mountain side along the edges of a zone or an invisible boundary that you can't cross or one that triggers zone loading. Each game does certain things better than others, and some not as well. WoW arguably does most of them better than the rest, and how many of us care to go back and play it? Been there, done that. No thanks.
As far as their being no sitting or jumping, I could go on and on for hours about these two. If it means I don't have to watch some dumb sh!t spam jump by holding their space bar down anytime they get bored, then I'll gladly take the no jumping limitation. If sitting doesn't actually do anything, like rest states in old school MMOs where you could sit to expedite recovery of mana/hp, then I really couldn't care less if they skip the effort of making animations for it.
Nothing to see here ..move on!
Wait, what? Who put you in charge of saying who and what the "general mmo gamer" is? Sorry to inform you but you are just some random player with no authority to decide what is what in anything other than your life. Now if you would of said I see it as a joke ok. But for you to claim to know what everyone wants its just stupid, no one elected you for MMO Gamer President so therefore you have no right to say anything to do with what the "General MMO gamer" wants. Now if you say a lot of people want it then fine but do not use words that you do not really know the meanin of.
I am not defending those that dont care or offending those that wish to have a certain mechanic in a game that they might be interested in playing. But there is no "General MMO gamer" and if there is no one can say that they know what they want unless you have a vote of all the MMO gamers of the world then you can't say what they all want. I do not doubt that a lot wish the whole jumping/swimming/crapping/sleeping/eating are out there but please do not generalize. Do not put words in other people's mouths when they are not here or when you have others that are saying that you are wrong, because at that point they did prove you wrong.
Haven't voted yet because I'm not sure if I will or will not play.
Jumping/sitting/swimming will not be deciding factors, though. I can play without those "features."
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For me, no jumping/sitting/swimming is a minor annoyance. The main reason I probably won't play this game is because of how slow the game plays. I watched some vids on youtube and it was a big turnoff. Same reason I don't play FFXI. I tried FFXI a while back on PC and playing at a snails pace was so boring.
APB, AoC, DFO, MO, FE, EQ, EQ2, UO (Had sitting), WoW, I could go on....... but... its safe to say that Jumping and swimming are standard, not what people think may happen in MMO's in 10-20 years. Sitting was done back in the 90's.
Just pointing out your rant was completely useless and had nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
The rest is your standard MMO default argument, "The devs don't care what you want, there are more than enough players that are interested without anyone else wanting to play so you don't matter, stfu and move on. Be mature and wait for the release before you judge".
Actually I kinda just like to tally votes. Whether or not some agree with me isn't that big a deal when you grow up you realize your opinion aint really worth didly.
I'm mad because I can't buy life insurance in-game and buy shares in the stock market to receive high percentage dividends.
I guess game controllers never existed in your play style? FFXI was amazing on the controller and from playing the beta FFXIV is also very smooth on the controller, FF games are usually always designed with the controller in mind.
I have seen jump implemented but only once have I ever really seen it used in a mmo and as a matter of fact even if you missed the jump you could still get around it. Final Fantasy's leveling systems were the most compelling part of the game. So I am sorry you won't be playing it but I also am glad because that is one less whiner to have to wade through on the forums.
If you don't care about opinions then why are you tallying opinions? They obviously mean something to you. If not then this whole thing was just a troll looking to feed and apparently we have all just filled your appetite. So which is it? Did you lie about not caring or are you just a troll?
Swimming and Jumping are not simply emotes, how many raids in WoW require you to make a precise jump, the amount of people I feather failed to save there buts and swimming... there is nothing less immersive then watching your demon slaying, dragon killing mofo of a bad ass walk into a pond and promptly drown aka Aion. This is plain BACKWARD.
First off look at the lenght of the thread I have had many polls pertaioning to this game this one is just talked to death. Once you vote at this point what you have to say is senseless their are 7 pages of arguments already whatever any has to say has been said and likely better. So basically the only one who gave a damn about your opinion id me and now I dont anymore. Any further post are just
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its not standered in final fantasy games
I have no idea how wanting freedom of movement in a game is any way to mesure maturity. Maybe, some people would not care to add another game to a list of 'bills' they already pay, especially when the game is a full 3D action fantasy, but with very limited movement and interaction of enviroment. I don't subscribe to other games because of their limited, linear terrains, and others for a slew of other reasons. That is a choice as a consumer. If I am going to pay monthly for something, it should offer what I like. I like to feel at one with my surrondings in a game, not glued to the ground.
Splendid how I did all that and managed to not throw snide comments, and make empty assumptions about people who are actually discussing what the thread is about.
well said, i feel the same well, however im going to give it a try none the less, enjoying what i see apart from the fact i cant jump around annoying people and float around in the water! xD (people could call me the human frog
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Down the line, and after a free trial is offered, I would probably still give it a look. That way, if it is not for me, there is no loss except my time.
Fighting a tiny little bat with 5 people for 5 minutes is PRETTY GOSH GANZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
Hu what?
oh yes....
Exci....no not really.
dont think ffxiv is like that well not in the length of battle like xi was
i don't understand why they want to jump in this game. swim is ok , but jumping is not necessary at all.
the combat system of this game is not the same as other mmo. I dont' think you can jump to evade the attack in this game.
flying is also not necessary. only a few people like to fight in the sky. but maybe they will add the airship or something.
if you can jump or fly in this game somebody will still say that this game is just like other mmo that offer nothing new.
Yes, I will.
I've never liked swimming in games, so no sleep lost over that.
I do like to bounce around, although that is usually when I'm bored. As long as the game has enough content to kee me busy, I'll never need the jump.
As for sitting, I don't think I've ever used it even when it was available. Unless you count healing/rest as sitting.
I don't miss jumping and swimming at all on FFXIV.
Not even after my last MMOs that had those features (and yea, I used to jump alot).
It is not needed at all. Play it and then judge about FFXIV (whenever a free trial will be avaiable).
It is seriously not gamebreaking.