"this game is not innovative, deviates from KOTOR lore, is themepark, contains almost no new ideas and is generic mmorpg, but don't worry its still going to be omg awesome and you all need to like it and think on how awesome it is, just because its TOR"...
yep entire article about taking a few (out of many) shortcommings this game has and creating somes sort of excuse for it.
Those bright-colored screenshots of VERY-cartoony-looking characters do not inspire trust in this game too...especially that one with overmuscular(seriously looks like WWE wrestler) malak-clone-gorilla jumping in the air....
Why do MMO game developers have to be innovative? And it seen as a bad thing if they are not trying anything new?
Agreed.. After all the releases in the past couple of years of half-assed incomplete games,Give the people a polished fun game that ties all sorts of gameplay elements together to provide a consistant cohesive world and they will play it
Because we already played the game before and are tired of it? Same reason why MMOs have been terrible for the last 6 years. They're all dumbed down versions of EverQuest, and I got tired of EverQuest in 2001. We want something new, not the same boring thing over and over again, thats so simple and derivitive we don't even need a tutorial.
You can add "Not an MMORPG" to the list. Its BEYOND themepark, is practically Diablo.
You could say the same thing about any game, if all you want is innovation and newness then your in teh wrong hobby, cause many of the best games out there right now dont do anything new by todays standards, people sobsessions with everything being unique is just sad, why not enjoy something for what it is?
You know, people have been using a mouse fo pc games for 20 years, geez, when are devs gonna stop being lazy and bring some new innovative ideas around?
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Generally I hate your colums and writeups. I have to say, this time I think you nailed it. The rant is spot on and 100% accurate from what I have seen and played. It's already very smooth and alot more polished than 80% of the mmo's into their 1 year state from what I've experienced. I personally think it's going to be great, but I've been burned to many times in the past to bet the farm on it.
The biggest thing anyone can take away from this (ESPECIALLY on mmorpg.com) is: If you hate the design, animations and themepark: walk away and stop bitching. It is flat out NOT gonna change. thats the way it is, thats the game they decided to make. period. Ranting and bitching about it doesnt help anyone and just makes you look pissy and spoiled. Just find another game.
Thanks. Again, good article for a change. enjoyed it.
I like everything that was said in this article. Haters will hate it regardless and the fanbois would love it if it were released as a 2D turn based POS.
Other than the space arguement that should not be, you will either like this game or not, if you don't like the idea of it and it scares you so much that you must hate it, fine don't play and stop trolling. If your a fanboi well... what is there to say other than drink a beer, go out on a date and get a taste of this thing most of us call reality. The game will be what it will be. PERIOD
Generally I hate your colums and writeups. I have to say, this time I think you nailed it. The rant is spot on and 100% accurate from what I have seen and played. It's already very smooth and alot more polished than 80% of the mmo's into their 1 year state from what I've experienced. I personally think it's going to be great, but I've been burned to many times in the past to bet the farm on it.
The biggest thing anyone can take away from this (ESPECIALLY on mmorpg.com) is: If you hate the design, animations and themepark: walk away and stop bitching. It is flat out NOT gonna change. thats the way it is, thats the game they decided to make. period. Ranting and bitching about it doesnt help anyone and just makes you look pissy and spoiled. Just find another game.
Thanks. Again, good article for a change. enjoyed it.
I'm excited for this game mostly for this reason. I am hoping for a level of polish and playability rarely seen anymore. If they nail this part of the game, I am going to be playing for a while.
While I'm critical of their space game design, if they have a solid ground game, nothing's going to stop me from wanting this game.
I like everything that was said in this article. Haters will hate it regardless and the fanbois would love it if it were released as a 2D turn based POS.
Other than the space arguement that should not be, you will either like this game or not, if you don't like the idea of it and it scares you so much that you must hate it, fine don't play and stop trolling. If your a fanboi well... what is there to say other than drink a beer, go out on a date and get a taste of this thing most of us call reality. The game will be what it will be. PERIOD
While ill agree if u dont like the game now u wont like it ever i find the fanboi stuff insulting on so many levels. One is the assumption that being a fanboi means u have no life and no woman or significant other in your life.
I for one am a huge fanboi of star wars as is my gf. hell she may like star wars more then me if its possible. Just because people like star wars or mmo's doesnt mean they dont have a life. Or know what reality is. I spend as much time with my nephews as i do playing wow. When i see them that is or my niece.
My nephews play wow withme and my gf. Fanboi 's are defending the fact this game isnt out and calling it a failure before its even released is idiotic. We arent the ones who are obsessing over this game thats the haters. I like most of this article i dont see whats wrong with a tunnell shooter. From what ive seen u have to actually move sideways up and down u dont just go straight ahead . If u do go strraight and done move u die.
While i wish they had waited on the space until they could do it right. Not a free fore all pvp go anywhere exploration but a game where u were allowed the freedom to do loop to loops or other evasive dog fighting things. Im ok with how they are doing space. At least htey have space fights in game.
It's been awhile (AoC vs. WAR) was the last time I remember this much venom. I think what you did is present a very reasonable, middle of the road, and entirely accurate picture. Problem is, and I'm not sure what sparks it, this game really seems to bring out the extremists on both sides, who figure that if they shout loud enough, either they'll convince someone (maybe themselves, I dont know) or change someone's mind.
TOR is what it is, and it's not going to be something else. I honestly dont understand why the negatives wont judge it for what it is, as opposed to being what they want it to be. Even if it's reasonably successful, I'd figure that means more dollars for the industry as a whole, which means more niche games, bigger player bases, and more happy fans.
Generally I hate your colums and writeups. I have to say, this time I think you nailed it. The rant is spot on and 100% accurate from what I have seen and played. It's already very smooth and alot more polished than 80% of the mmo's into their 1 year state from what I've experienced. I personally think it's going to be great, but I've been burned to many times in the past to bet the farm on it.
The biggest thing anyone can take away from this (ESPECIALLY on mmorpg.com) is: If you hate the design, animations and themepark: walk away and stop bitching. It is flat out NOT gonna change. thats the way it is, thats the game they decided to make. period. Ranting and bitching about it doesnt help anyone and just makes you look pissy and spoiled. Just find another game.
Thanks. Again, good article for a change. enjoyed it.
This follows my line of thought as well. The game may be six months out but all of the decisions have been made. If you do not like the decisions made about game, find a different game. There are tons of MMOs to choose from. No one is forcing you to buy it.
As for myself, I am a fan of Bioware games (especially Mass Effect / Kotor / dragon Age). As long as Bioware releases a well polished game with a good story and good PvP, I will be very happy.
Well, but you will have to note the difference in perspective that *I* don't see many trolls here on MMORPG.com, and that includes most of those who totally disagree with me.
Try to attack the argument or ignore the person. I just don't see any gain in "troll calling" like it were some witch-hunt. It just adds to create an even more aggressive atmosphere to an already heated one, when you say the forum is full of trolls! "Trolls EVERYHWERE."
Maybe you didn't read my last post, I thought I made it clear as day in the example I used which is a real incident that happened on mmorpg to point out that I personally do just that. I attempt to debate a person's argument and when they skip my post that comes only two minutes after the one they made to address a post that came even later that flames them then as you say I note the difference, and that person is trolling (not calling him or her a troll) but the actions they are choosing to take.
And me personally I don't see any benefit for myself or fans of this game to even have the debate with you about whether when someone posts an inflammatory post and then ignores any inciteful debate if they are a troll or are trolling.
Ironically the person who posted the open letter has a name very similar to your's coincidence?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I thought that was a Asari at first. Star Wars may have been around long before Mass Effect but I find it funny how Mass Effect is the first thing I always think of for a lot of these images.
I'll leave the irrelevant dig about our revenue structure alone.
That wasn't irrelevant, it was a fact.
I'm board with you Kyleran, except for this statement.
Facts can be irrelevant. Like the fact that I ate french fries for dinner is completely irrelevant to this conversation. I have to agree, though, the way this website pays its bills is irrelevant to whether Jon is confused over what speculating is. Speculating is not a stated fact, but an implied opinion. There is no reason why we must preface our opinions with IMO. We should be smart enough to realize what an opinion is. I think they teach that pretty early on in elementary school.
It's been awhile (AoC vs. WAR) was the last time I remember this much venom. I think what you did is present a very reasonable, middle of the road, and entirely accurate picture. Problem is, and I'm not sure what sparks it, this game really seems to bring out the extremists on both sides, who figure that if they shout loud enough, either they'll convince someone (maybe themselves, I dont know) or change someone's mind.
TOR is what it is, and it's not going to be something else. I honestly dont understand why the negatives wont judge it for what it is, as opposed to being what they want it to be. Even if it's reasonably successful, I'd figure that means more dollars for the industry as a whole, which means more niche games, bigger player bases, and more happy fans.
Besides the fact that BioWare is making it and expectations are high, it has a lot to do with the IP. Star Wars is one of the most well known IPs and has a lot of fans who are really passionate about their favorite fiction and they all have different ideas on what would make this game great.
A group of those fans, myself included, are dissapointed by the direction TOR is heading towards. Some may even feel betrayed by BioWare and LucasArts for making TOR into yet another WoW clone. Hense the heated debates.
Very nice article. It hits the nail on the head with the debate about TOR on this site. The haters post irrational speculation as fact and will not debate it at all. Fanbois take everything a company says as the best feature in a game ever and they can do no worng. Both extreams are wrong.
Healthy debate based on known info and speculation based on factual statements from the dev's is great. You can bash or prase all you want on known info and future features. But to make up crap as fact in either camp is just wrong for any game.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them? R.A.Salvatore
Well me myself, have read enough, and being of SWG myself I figure these ppl have no care for SWTOR comming out , they have a big hatefor it all i read from here how much so.I will wait till all out but am a old SW Fan I was one stood in line for 2 days for first film with my wof pac (pre boy scout for them that don't know). I will wait till next yr to make a decision also i played KTOP1 and 2, and didnt care much for them sept for story. I fell hard core in love with SWG when it came out loved the deffending towns and being a BH hunting jedi,but even it had it dowfals, Like didnt have space even to begin with, but got better.
My feeling is if u get paid to right a articlke bout new games,u should be neutral till at leastt game comes out but thats me, i spend lotta time reading these, but sic of hearing 1 sided story on SWTOR so gonna stop reading em from here, no since in it they have made there point quit clear they wont even give it a chance so no since looking for insights here, good thing lots out there...
BioWare is a company that has made a very good reputation for itself as a producer of quality, story based RPGs. To expect a major departure from a basic formula that has supported and grown the company into one of the bigger brands in gaming is just silly.[/quote]
My only contention with this, is that they [b]aren't[/b] making a single player RPG - they [b]are[/b] making an MMO - there are many similiarties and differences between the two, they can't just take their 'normal bullet point development cycle' and slap together a loose party system, and an AH and force feed it as an MMO to the already existing MMO community; especially when you want a monthly fee from it.
Exactly. And yet people get bashed whenever they suggest this game will be mostly single player... Linear instanced stories with 2-3 other people at a time does not make an MMORPG.
orly? I just did a linear storyline in (insert mmorpg name here) with 3 other people...
This is why there is no innovation in MMORPG's.
Someone innovates and the purists immediately classify it as "not-a-MMORPG" thereby keeping innovation out of the genre...
Yea because wow is doing so poorly that being a wow clone is bad. lol God when will people realize the reason so many companis try and fail to copy wow is there success. Every company out there making mmo's would love wows sub base.
That means eve and galaxies would love it also but they never came close to wows sub base. I dont know why wow clone is such a bad word.
A true wow clone to me is a themepark mmo that takes there time to make a well polished game that has as few bugs as possible. A wow clone is a game that only releasaes when they are truly ready and that listens to there community as a whole. to me a wow clone is a company that cares about making a great game and whose efforts show through in there end product.
Themepark to me means a game with lots of quest with a world created by the devs. A game i can have alot of fun questin in and raiding in and pvping in and dungeons in. A game that may have some instance to it but which is fun and enjoyable and gets me from pt a to pt b and beyond witout me going damn that sucks to much grind.
I love how so many people pine for the old days of mmos and sandbox games yet no one actually plays them.
Sorry if i sorta lost it there but im a bit tired of all the putdowns of wow and anyone who chooses to follow blizzards policy of solo play and easy accesibilty. Who decides to make there games easy enough and fun enough that anyone can play them.
Sure mmorpg should be games where players run into players and everythign i read says bioware is gonna do that. The haters just wont listen though. Forcing people to group doesnt work in todays mmo market. Lettign players group when they choose is what makes mmos succesful not forced grouping.
Plus given how hard groups are to get sometimes no one likes to sit around 30 mins with nothign to do because they cant do any more content without a group.
Yea because wow is doing so poorly that being a wow clone is bad. lol God when will people realize the reason so many companis try and fail to copy wow is there success. Every company out there making mmo's would love wows sub base.
That means eve and galaxies would love it also but they never came close to wows sub base. I dont know why wow clone is such a bad word.
A true wow clone to me is a themepark mmo that takes there time to make a well polished game that has as few bugs as possible. A wow clone is a game that only releasaes when they are truly ready and that listens to there community as a whole. to me a wow clone is a company that cares about making a great game and whose efforts show through in there end product.
Themepark to me means a game with lots of quest with a world created by the devs. A game i can have alot of fun questin in and raiding in and pvping in and dungeons in. A game that may have some instance to it but which is fun and enjoyable and gets me from pt a to pt b and beyond witout me going damn that sucks to much grind.
I love how so many people pine for the old days of mmos and sandbox games yet no one actually plays them.
Sorry if i sorta lost it there but im a bit tired of all the putdowns of wow and anyone who chooses to follow blizzards policy of solo play and easy accesibilty. Who decides to make there games easy enough and fun enough that anyone can play them.
Sure mmorpg should be games where players run into players and everythign i read says bioware is gonna do that. The haters just wont listen though. Forcing people to group doesnt work in todays mmo market. Lettign players group when they choose is what makes mmos succesful not forced grouping.
Plus given how hard groups are to get sometimes no one likes to sit around 30 mins with nothign to do because they cant do any more content without a group.
Blizzard is shoveling in money hand over fist but can you name one WoW clone that even came close to being a success? You can't. Moreover, EVE Online is making more money than any WoW clone alone, and probably a few of those combined. So why is it that no WoW clone was able to cash in on Blizzard's success? Because WoW fans already invested in the original, why would they want to waste their time on a copy?
And that is why EVE is successful. It offers a completely different experience from WoW and people don't get that "Why am I playing a cheap immitation of WoW when I can play the original" feeling.
The reason no wow clone works. 1 reason they dont give it the time neccessary to be a smooth game. To many wow clones enter the game world half done with so many bugs players quit playing. They also dont have the funding to fix the bugs and dont have the funding to let a gam grow.
Wow didnt have 12 mil subs at launch. to many mmos want to start out with 12 mil subs thats an impossible standard. Wow took 6 yrs to get to that mark.
Mmos need time to grow but u have to fix bugs and u cant rush games to market. The reason wow clones get a bad name is any game that wants to be themepark usually gets labled wow cloen and most of them are rushed unfinished with so many bug and a ui thats hard to use players quit.
All the so called wow clones werent really wow clones. they didnt follow blizzards tried and true formula of never release before ready. They didnt make games that worked. I belive gamers will allow a game to grow with bugs and all if the bugs arent so many that it frustrates them to the core.
I think bioware has a chance to succeed because they will follow blizzards example in never rushign a game to market. I belive they will make sure the game is polished and ready to play and will be ready to fix any issues that may crop up at release. if apb had done this they might still be around.
Best article I've seen you guys write. While I probably will try swtor on release because I like bioware games, expecting it to have originality is folly. I do expect it to be well made and successful, but at its core its just going to be a another wow clone.
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You could say the same thing about any game, if all you want is innovation and newness then your in teh wrong hobby, cause many of the best games out there right now dont do anything new by todays standards, people sobsessions with everything being unique is just sad, why not enjoy something for what it is?
You know, people have been using a mouse fo pc games for 20 years, geez, when are devs gonna stop being lazy and bring some new innovative ideas around?
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Quotespam.
TBH.
Generally I hate your colums and writeups. I have to say, this time I think you nailed it. The rant is spot on and 100% accurate from what I have seen and played. It's already very smooth and alot more polished than 80% of the mmo's into their 1 year state from what I've experienced. I personally think it's going to be great, but I've been burned to many times in the past to bet the farm on it.
The biggest thing anyone can take away from this (ESPECIALLY on mmorpg.com) is: If you hate the design, animations and themepark: walk away and stop bitching. It is flat out NOT gonna change. thats the way it is, thats the game they decided to make. period. Ranting and bitching about it doesnt help anyone and just makes you look pissy and spoiled. Just find another game.
Thanks. Again, good article for a change. enjoyed it.
I like everything that was said in this article. Haters will hate it regardless and the fanbois would love it if it were released as a 2D turn based POS.
Other than the space arguement that should not be, you will either like this game or not, if you don't like the idea of it and it scares you so much that you must hate it, fine don't play and stop trolling. If your a fanboi well... what is there to say other than drink a beer, go out on a date and get a taste of this thing most of us call reality. The game will be what it will be. PERIOD
I'm excited for this game mostly for this reason. I am hoping for a level of polish and playability rarely seen anymore. If they nail this part of the game, I am going to be playing for a while.
While I'm critical of their space game design, if they have a solid ground game, nothing's going to stop me from wanting this game.
While ill agree if u dont like the game now u wont like it ever i find the fanboi stuff insulting on so many levels. One is the assumption that being a fanboi means u have no life and no woman or significant other in your life.
I for one am a huge fanboi of star wars as is my gf. hell she may like star wars more then me if its possible. Just because people like star wars or mmo's doesnt mean they dont have a life. Or know what reality is. I spend as much time with my nephews as i do playing wow. When i see them that is or my niece.
My nephews play wow withme and my gf. Fanboi 's are defending the fact this game isnt out and calling it a failure before its even released is idiotic. We arent the ones who are obsessing over this game thats the haters. I like most of this article i dont see whats wrong with a tunnell shooter. From what ive seen u have to actually move sideways up and down u dont just go straight ahead . If u do go strraight and done move u die.
While i wish they had waited on the space until they could do it right. Not a free fore all pvp go anywhere exploration but a game where u were allowed the freedom to do loop to loops or other evasive dog fighting things. Im ok with how they are doing space. At least htey have space fights in game.
Jon,
Rock solid read! I liked it!
It's been awhile (AoC vs. WAR) was the last time I remember this much venom. I think what you did is present a very reasonable, middle of the road, and entirely accurate picture. Problem is, and I'm not sure what sparks it, this game really seems to bring out the extremists on both sides, who figure that if they shout loud enough, either they'll convince someone (maybe themselves, I dont know) or change someone's mind.
TOR is what it is, and it's not going to be something else. I honestly dont understand why the negatives wont judge it for what it is, as opposed to being what they want it to be. Even if it's reasonably successful, I'd figure that means more dollars for the industry as a whole, which means more niche games, bigger player bases, and more happy fans.
This follows my line of thought as well. The game may be six months out but all of the decisions have been made. If you do not like the decisions made about game, find a different game. There are tons of MMOs to choose from. No one is forcing you to buy it.
As for myself, I am a fan of Bioware games (especially Mass Effect / Kotor / dragon Age). As long as Bioware releases a well polished game with a good story and good PvP, I will be very happy.
Well, but you will have to note the difference in perspective that *I* don't see many trolls here on MMORPG.com, and that includes most of those who totally disagree with me.
Try to attack the argument or ignore the person. I just don't see any gain in "troll calling" like it were some witch-hunt. It just adds to create an even more aggressive atmosphere to an already heated one, when you say the forum is full of trolls! "Trolls EVERYHWERE."
Maybe you didn't read my last post, I thought I made it clear as day in the example I used which is a real incident that happened on mmorpg to point out that I personally do just that. I attempt to debate a person's argument and when they skip my post that comes only two minutes after the one they made to address a post that came even later that flames them then as you say I note the difference, and that person is trolling (not calling him or her a troll) but the actions they are choosing to take.
And me personally I don't see any benefit for myself or fans of this game to even have the debate with you about whether when someone posts an inflammatory post and then ignores any inciteful debate if they are a troll or are trolling.
Ironically the person who posted the open letter has a name very similar to your's coincidence?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Things this article isn't:
Objective
Insightful
Clever
Worth Reading
I thought that was a Asari at first. Star Wars may have been around long before Mass Effect but I find it funny how Mass Effect is the first thing I always think of for a lot of these images.
I'm board with you Kyleran, except for this statement.
Facts can be irrelevant. Like the fact that I ate french fries for dinner is completely irrelevant to this conversation. I have to agree, though, the way this website pays its bills is irrelevant to whether Jon is confused over what speculating is. Speculating is not a stated fact, but an implied opinion. There is no reason why we must preface our opinions with IMO. We should be smart enough to realize what an opinion is. I think they teach that pretty early on in elementary school.
Cool beans. Too bad people won't ever listen to something like this.
Gonna have to agree with this guy.
Besides the fact that BioWare is making it and expectations are high, it has a lot to do with the IP. Star Wars is one of the most well known IPs and has a lot of fans who are really passionate about their favorite fiction and they all have different ideas on what would make this game great.
A group of those fans, myself included, are dissapointed by the direction TOR is heading towards. Some may even feel betrayed by BioWare and LucasArts for making TOR into yet another WoW clone. Hense the heated debates.
Very nice article. It hits the nail on the head with the debate about TOR on this site. The haters post irrational speculation as fact and will not debate it at all. Fanbois take everything a company says as the best feature in a game ever and they can do no worng. Both extreams are wrong.
Healthy debate based on known info and speculation based on factual statements from the dev's is great. You can bash or prase all you want on known info and future features. But to make up crap as fact in either camp is just wrong for any game.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
R.A.Salvatore
Well me myself, have read enough, and being of SWG myself I figure these ppl have no care for SWTOR comming out , they have a big hatefor it all i read from here how much so.I will wait till all out but am a old SW Fan I was one stood in line for 2 days for first film with my wof pac (pre boy scout for them that don't know). I will wait till next yr to make a decision also i played KTOP1 and 2, and didnt care much for them sept for story. I fell hard core in love with SWG when it came out loved the deffending towns and being a BH hunting jedi,but even it had it dowfals, Like didnt have space even to begin with, but got better.
My feeling is if u get paid to right a articlke bout new games,u should be neutral till at leastt game comes out but thats me, i spend lotta time reading these, but sic of hearing 1 sided story on SWTOR so gonna stop reading em from here, no since in it they have made there point quit clear they wont even give it a chance so no since looking for insights here, good thing lots out there...
orly? I just did a linear storyline in (insert mmorpg name here) with 3 other people...
This is why there is no innovation in MMORPG's.
Someone innovates and the purists immediately classify it as "not-a-MMORPG" thereby keeping innovation out of the genre...
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Yea because wow is doing so poorly that being a wow clone is bad. lol God when will people realize the reason so many companis try and fail to copy wow is there success. Every company out there making mmo's would love wows sub base.
That means eve and galaxies would love it also but they never came close to wows sub base. I dont know why wow clone is such a bad word.
A true wow clone to me is a themepark mmo that takes there time to make a well polished game that has as few bugs as possible. A wow clone is a game that only releasaes when they are truly ready and that listens to there community as a whole. to me a wow clone is a company that cares about making a great game and whose efforts show through in there end product.
Themepark to me means a game with lots of quest with a world created by the devs. A game i can have alot of fun questin in and raiding in and pvping in and dungeons in. A game that may have some instance to it but which is fun and enjoyable and gets me from pt a to pt b and beyond witout me going damn that sucks to much grind.
I love how so many people pine for the old days of mmos and sandbox games yet no one actually plays them.
Sorry if i sorta lost it there but im a bit tired of all the putdowns of wow and anyone who chooses to follow blizzards policy of solo play and easy accesibilty. Who decides to make there games easy enough and fun enough that anyone can play them.
Sure mmorpg should be games where players run into players and everythign i read says bioware is gonna do that. The haters just wont listen though. Forcing people to group doesnt work in todays mmo market. Lettign players group when they choose is what makes mmos succesful not forced grouping.
Plus given how hard groups are to get sometimes no one likes to sit around 30 mins with nothign to do because they cant do any more content without a group.
Blizzard is shoveling in money hand over fist but can you name one WoW clone that even came close to being a success? You can't. Moreover, EVE Online is making more money than any WoW clone alone, and probably a few of those combined. So why is it that no WoW clone was able to cash in on Blizzard's success? Because WoW fans already invested in the original, why would they want to waste their time on a copy?
And that is why EVE is successful. It offers a completely different experience from WoW and people don't get that "Why am I playing a cheap immitation of WoW when I can play the original" feeling.
I played it ... after that, all these columns became futile.
It's boring ... and it's boring because i played an exact copy of swtor for to long.
The reason no wow clone works. 1 reason they dont give it the time neccessary to be a smooth game. To many wow clones enter the game world half done with so many bugs players quit playing. They also dont have the funding to fix the bugs and dont have the funding to let a gam grow.
Wow didnt have 12 mil subs at launch. to many mmos want to start out with 12 mil subs thats an impossible standard. Wow took 6 yrs to get to that mark.
Mmos need time to grow but u have to fix bugs and u cant rush games to market. The reason wow clones get a bad name is any game that wants to be themepark usually gets labled wow cloen and most of them are rushed unfinished with so many bug and a ui thats hard to use players quit.
All the so called wow clones werent really wow clones. they didnt follow blizzards tried and true formula of never release before ready. They didnt make games that worked. I belive gamers will allow a game to grow with bugs and all if the bugs arent so many that it frustrates them to the core.
I think bioware has a chance to succeed because they will follow blizzards example in never rushign a game to market. I belive they will make sure the game is polished and ready to play and will be ready to fix any issues that may crop up at release. if apb had done this they might still be around.
Best article I've seen you guys write. While I probably will try swtor on release because I like bioware games, expecting it to have originality is folly. I do expect it to be well made and successful, but at its core its just going to be a another wow clone.
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I could agree on one thing...this MMO SWG isnt.
Another "no zhit sherlock'' article attempting to placate the vocal minorities. Are these all volunteer writers?