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The put your money where your hype is poll: GW2 vs. SWTOR vs. WOW
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Voted all 3 will co-exist as like another poster has said, the "<game> killer" line of talk needs to die, some don't like WoW, others enjoy it, leave them to enjoy it and the rest of us will enjoy our games.
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I see GW2 as having a truly ridiculous amount of sales... even exceeding that of SW:TOR, but they need those kind of sales to succeed with their pricing plan.
It's a lot easier to get a B2P game than one with a sub, and GW1's popularity suggests that GW2 can sell multiple millions of copies.
The thing is, SW:TOR could make just as much money with much less sales... so even if they only managed to sell half the copies, they could easily be making more money.
Yes, GW2 is going to have microtransactions, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that Bioware and EA are allergic to the concept of microtransactions, and other P2P games have paved the way to have a sub + microtransaction store.
So I could easily see both GW2 and SW:TOR making the same kind of money out of a microtransaction store, basically making that a non-factor.
I'm sure WoW will continue to do well with the people they have, though I don't see how they could get too many more NEW customers.
So if you're talking about new copies sold, I think GW2 will win. If you're talking about new money made, SW:TOR seems like it can win. If you're talking about total existing subs and box sales, I don't see why WoW can't continue to hang on with the monstrous momentum it's already had.
There's plenty of room for all three of them to be major successes though.
Guild Wars 2 is no competition for any other game because of the buy once and play forever (other than the cash shop or expansions they will crank out). The others are an investment of money so GW2 will attract those MMO gamers with thin wallets. I'll buy it but it won't stop any of my subscriptions.
QFT..
honestly.. its not like those are the only 3 games around.. what do you do if you don't play either of them, my primary game is Eve.. and. for the moment the rest of my time is taken up with Rift... GW2 and SW:TOR.. for the moment, arent even a consideration, as i have yet to see any convincing argument that either one is a game that is worth my time or money.
Because it is an MMO? Or is the subcription bit now the only defining feature of an MMO?
I don't play two MMOs at the same time not because I can't fork some measly 20 quid per month but because you know I barely have time to play one, talk about two!
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I doubt any game will ever be 'killed' over the release of others myself. Even if GW2 and SWOTR will both do exceptionally well in the long run, WOW will still be a very large game with a huge sub base and will probably make a healthy profit untill Blizzard themselves decide to pull the plug. But GW2 and SWOTR both have the potential to really put a big dent in the current numbers.
The poll is about people's idea of how the market share of these big games will turn out and if there will be any big shifts, not about games killing eachother. Just to clarify.
And for those who ask why they should care about all this: noone asked you to.
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Yeah, I'm a little confused by the 'Why should I care about this?' line of thought that people seem to feel is worth quoting and going 'QFT'
I mean, hell, we're on a site called mmorpg.com. It's a website. About video games.
Couldn't 'Why should I care about this?' be the motto to the whole site, and just be applied to every thread ever created here, ever?
People care about things for fun, but this isn't serious business. It's not like caring or not caring about any of these threads are going to end poverty and war. It's not even going to feed one hungry person, guide a child through school or heck, even help an old lady cross the street. This is a site dedicated to things we have no big reason to care about other than personal satisfaction. :T
You are making the assumption that you will be able to stay competetive without using the cash shop. I am not so sure about that...
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Well, the developers have stated that they only want cosmetic non-essential type things that don't give gameplay advantages. Basically the sorts of things you see in the GW1 cash shop.
They could always change their mind, of course, but part of the reason why a good part of the GW2 community is excited about the game is because of the developer's basic attitude towards pricing. They would definitely be damaging their own brand by changing it now. Hopefully they don't decide to randomly just start lying about things, that would be a bad precedent.
Somewhat off topic, in another thread I remember you saying you've lost a lot of hope in GW2's PvP when you heard the developers saying they were trying to cut down on player conflict/competition in PvE. I meant to respond to you then, but didn't. What exactly were you hoping out of GW2's PvP that you think they won't have now?
Hehe. Quite ironic indeed.
I suspect some people only being concerned with their own favorite or most highly anticipated game which doesn't happen to be in the poll. I have a preference for sandboxes myself but that doesn't mean I am not interested in the industry as a whole (and in playing 'mainstream' games, provided they have enough freedom).
I think some people fail to realize that even if there are these giant releases soaking up a huge share of the market, it doesn't mean that their niche game can't be very succesful too.
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Considering that GW2 and SWTOR will be around for a long time, it is only fair that they also be compared against Blizzards new MMO - Titan.
And going by the previous success of Blizzard's games there can only be one winner. That of course does not mean others cannot do well. Both GW2 and SWTOR will be very successful IMHO as they both come from solid devs/producers, and both have good things going for them, GW2, being F2P and Star Wars has one of the strongest IPs ever, made by one of the best producers, second only to Bliz.
I guess ulitmately it will be the lesser games that will suffer. In away having 3 strong games out there is good for us the consumer as competition will be high. I sincerely do hope that Gw2 does well, as then we could see a reduction in the monthly sub to other AAA MMOs.
Please explain to me how you are counting 3 as-of-yet vaporware games into your "3 strong games"?
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P2P MMOs tend to make people play them a lot due to the nature of the 'have to get my money's worth' thinking many people have.
GW2 won't have that since it is B2P.
By your logic, not many GW players had other MMOs playing concurrently. This is false since there were a lot of overlap, including me.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Succes of GW2 is non question , everyone thinks so , from gamers to jurnalists.
SWTOR will do good at start but will soon bleed because there is no chance it has enough content for hardcore audience,
and it will be closed by EA or slashed. Because that is what they do with games that dont return investment -
and there is NO WAY they will ever return the investment
Whether it is an MMO or not is irrelevant.
By your logic FIFA11 should be compared to Call of Duty: Black OPs and scheduled accordingly.
Or should we compare Dragon Age to WoW/LOTRO now?
Last I checked, the release of GW1 didn't affect the sub numbers of any MMO (including WoW) so I doubt it'll have the impact again.
Just due to the fact it is B2P, people will buy it but won't have the urge to 'constantly play it'.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
@Vulture I was about to reply to your post when I noticed you edited it. I was gonna bring up the there can only be one statement.
I voted for all 3 doing well, because this is the best outcome there can be and I can see them all doing well. Right now there is really only one top mmo and that is WoW. What that means is most developers making a new game look to WoW because it's the most succesfull. If on the other hand there were at least 3 big named mmos devs could pick and choose what they like from each game and put it all together. Competition almost always brings better products so here is to hopefully a great future to these 3 mmos.
Everyone is entitled to his own prejudices though ;-)
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This is a hilarious post since basically you are calling the EA CEO as a 'liar' and should be jailed for deceiving investors for 10+ years.
'500k sub will be make us a profit for this game' - EA CEO
Looking at your post history says you don't like SWTOR, we get that; but posting factually incorrect posts just makes you look silly.
'SWTOR will have 200 hours per class with 8 classes' (publicly released info) is plenty of content.
Actually how much content does GW2 have in comparison? Are you saying GW2 doesn't have enough content as well?
But GW2 will be a success but SWTOR won't be?
????? logic?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
And the post where I said 'only p2p games can be MMO's' is where?
If you want to debate; fine,but at least don't put words in people's mouths. (or keyboards)
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
If the game is good, i have the urge to play regardless wether i have to pay or not. with a sub based mmo the sub didnt give me the urge to play just because i paid a sub, the cancel sub button is easy to find.
Will i cancel my sub when gw2 releases? you bet i am, i also did with gw1
In order of initial subs in the west my guess would be: wow -> tor -> rift -> gw2
Because gw2 don't have subs.
Initial box sales of the new games: gw2 -> tor -> rift (gw2 by a looong way)
After a year(ish) active players: tor -> wow -> gw2 -> rift
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MMOs are treated as single player games nowadays.
But if I want to play a P2P MMO, I need to have that sub for that month.
Not so with GW2 or any other non-P2P MMO game like FIFA11, COD:BO, Elder4 etc etc etc
I had GW1 and a WoW sub. I also had many games like FIFA with WoW as well. I can't see this as unique.
Like I said from my first post on this post, why are we comparing GW2 with other MMOs?
Should we compare FIFA11 with other MMOs then as well?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.