Forbes gave no quote go re-read David Reid's quote from your own first post
we both agree that Rift is successful -- leave it at that
Yes Forbes makes numbers up all the time. They have no understanding of reporting on factual evidence or reporting actual numbers when it comes to success in the business world. /sarcasmoff
I can report what I've myself seen. 2.5 months in game, I moved immediately to the busiest overall server I could find. Usually with wait times to login up to 20 minutes.
Now...no wait times..never listed as more than medium filled and none of the other servers have gone to 'busy'. I see no indication the player base is growing, just the opposite in fact.
You can talk all you want about 'balance', I'll blame it on one of the rudest player bases i've ever experienced. It is really an unfriendly game. People pay for an mmo to have fun, not get abused and it never stops in this game if you open your mouth.
Rather amusing to watch these children destroying the basis for their only 'leetness'.
Not that one has to be so leet in Rift..it's undoubtedly the easiest MMO i've ever played and i've played ALL the majors since '97.
The 3 months I prepaid is up soon, won't be renewing.
Not that one has to be so leet in Rift..it's undoubtedly the easiest MMO i've ever played and i've played ALL the majors since '97.
If we're talking about leveling, you're probably right. It's not that difficult. If we are talking about endgame content, you couldn't be more wrong. While for the very skilled players, experts are a joke; the raids are still significantly challenging.
Hammerknell is down right hard. It's been out for almost a month and no guild has cleared it yet on the live servers.
Not that one has to be so leet in Rift..it's undoubtedly the easiest MMO i've ever played and i've played ALL the majors since '97.
If we're talking about leveling, you're probably right. It's not that difficult. If we are talking about endgame content, you couldn't be more wrong. While for the very skilled players, experts are a joke; the raids are still significantly challenging.
Hammerknell is down right hard. It's been out for almost a month and no guild has cleared it yet on the live servers.
Not one.
This is true. In WoW for example all raids are cleared before even completing 1 week out.
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
raid not hard in rift?dream on if they werent hard why did trion nerf them then.if they re too easy just ask trion to revert all the hardness level to the way they were i bet trion will be happy to oblige! like i mentionned in the game(if some were there)this game is like gw1,it isnt about being max level everybody can reach level 50 fairly easy the is the stuff around,some quest are darn right insane to do.be it in pvp,pve,raid,probably world rift pvp(will probably have their own server too those) any saying this game is a walk in the park hasnt played what we talk about!when a player say some rift part is hard stop being so condescedant and make sure you are right it is easy lol. people arent has ignorant has you believe them to be lol. anyway still having fun lol!guard around area are getting more trigger happy (as if that was possible lol,level 30 atm)
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Curious, what server do you or did you play at? Thats not my experience at all
Also, related to difficulty, what raids did you complete and bosses?
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Curious, what server do you or did you play at? Thats not my experience at all
Also, related to difficulty, what raids did you complete and bosses?
no thanks. not another mmo debate escalating to flames.
Your request for justification: denied.
nothing for me there. won't be renewing. end of communications.
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Curious, what server do you or did you play at? Thats not my experience at all
Also, related to difficulty, what raids did you complete and bosses?
no thanks. not another mmo debate escalating to flames.
Your request for justification: denied.
nothing for me there. won't be renewing. end of communications.
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Well then I have yet to hear about how you cleared Hammerknell. Because I know you haven't. As I said before, no one has. Sure someone will and very soon, but I know right now that someone is not you.
Oh and in case anyone is wondering top guilds are now at boss 9 of 11 in Hammerknell.
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Well then I have yet to hear about how you cleared Hammerknell. Because I know you haven't. As I said before, no one has. Sure someone will and very soon, but I know right now that someone is not you.
Oh and in case anyone is wondering top guilds are now at boss 9 of 11 in Hammerknell.
You do realize clearing raid content doesnt make you a good player right? It means your in a guild that has enough people willing to act as if Rift is a job and schedule game sessions 3-5 days a week.
Being a raider is similar to being a regular gamer that plays all games on Easy and still uses a prima strat guide for everything. These players follow someones spec, rotation, macro guides. when they get into a raid instances they watch step by step videos of encounters.
So i wouldnt gage a persons skill on completed raid content when the reality of it is the guild leader is the skilled person. hes skilled in social skills and management skills. because he can get mindless lemmings to follow a schedule and read cheat guides...
So the person you're quoting is right Rift is easy, but when the entire genre is mindlessly easy who cares?
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Well then I have yet to hear about how you cleared Hammerknell. Because I know you haven't. As I said before, no one has. Sure someone will and very soon, but I know right now that someone is not you.
Oh and in case anyone is wondering top guilds are now at boss 9 of 11 in Hammerknell.
You do realize clearing raid content doesnt make you a good player right? It means your in a guild that has enough people willing to act as if Rift is a job and schedule game sessions 3-5 days a week.
Being a raider is similar to being a regular gamer that plays all games on Easy and still uses a prima strat guide for everything. These players follow someones spec, rotation, macro guides. when they get into a raid instances they watch step by step videos of encounters.
So i wouldnt gage a persons skill on completed raid content when the reality of it is the guild leader is the skilled person. hes skilled in social skills and management skills. because he can get mindless lemmings to follow a schedule and read cheat guides...
So the person you're quoting is right Rift is easy, but when the entire genre is mindlessly easy who cares?
^^^ That
Who cares about the difficulty as all MMOs are facerolls since more and more their catering casuals and non-gamers. I say none gamers because about 95% of the people I meet never touched a comp game besides a FPS becore picking up the MMO I met em in. As a gamer of many years I never been really challenged. Vanilla WoW and BC I was but since Wrath it went all downhill.
Forbes gave no quote go re-read David Reid's quote from your own first post
we both agree that Rift is successful -- leave it at that
Yes Forbes makes numbers up all the time. They have no understanding of reporting on factual evidence or reporting actual numbers when it comes to success in the business world. /sarcasmoff
we'll leave it at that.
Did you even read that article... there is no mention of numbers or rift subs.... at all. It talks about F2P model and End of Nations....
WoW looses around 900k subs. Rift supposedly has 1 million.
I see a link here perhaps. I think people are really wanting a new quality AAA mmo to play. Im not saying there's anything right or wrong with WoW. But Ive honestly never understood how anyone can play a single game for the better part of a decade. I have a feeling many players are screaming to get out. They just need a good reason.
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Well then I have yet to hear about how you cleared Hammerknell. Because I know you haven't. As I said before, no one has. Sure someone will and very soon, but I know right now that someone is not you.
Oh and in case anyone is wondering top guilds are now at boss 9 of 11 in Hammerknell.
You do realize clearing raid content doesnt make you a good player right? It means your in a guild that has enough people willing to act as if Rift is a job and schedule game sessions 3-5 days a week.
Being a raider is similar to being a regular gamer that plays all games on Easy and still uses a prima strat guide for everything. These players follow someones spec, rotation, macro guides. when they get into a raid instances they watch step by step videos of encounters.
So i wouldnt gage a persons skill on completed raid content when the reality of it is the guild leader is the skilled person. hes skilled in social skills and management skills. because he can get mindless lemmings to follow a schedule and read cheat guides...
So the person you're quoting is right Rift is easy, but when the entire genre is mindlessly easy who cares?
What guides?! What Videos?! Sure on some of the stuff there are guides and strats for certain makeups of the early bosses of HK.
That's true with any videogame out there. But the last few bosses of Hammerknell? There are no guides right now. The top guilds haven't done the content yet. The patch dropped almost a month ago. That's my point. And you speak as someone whom never Raids and is jealous of the raiders whom actually - I don't know, clear the content.
Don't like progression themepark? Go play another game. My response was to the comment that Rift is the easiest MMO out there. Dismiss the facts however you like. That statement is wrong.
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
Well then I have yet to hear about how you cleared Hammerknell. Because I know you haven't. As I said before, no one has. Sure someone will and very soon, but I know right now that someone is not you.
Oh and in case anyone is wondering top guilds are now at boss 9 of 11 in Hammerknell.
You do realize clearing raid content doesnt make you a good player right? It means your in a guild that has enough people willing to act as if Rift is a job and schedule game sessions 3-5 days a week.
Being a raider is similar to being a regular gamer that plays all games on Easy and still uses a prima strat guide for everything. These players follow someones spec, rotation, macro guides. when they get into a raid instances they watch step by step videos of encounters.
So i wouldnt gage a persons skill on completed raid content when the reality of it is the guild leader is the skilled person. hes skilled in social skills and management skills. because he can get mindless lemmings to follow a schedule and read cheat guides...
So the person you're quoting is right Rift is easy, but when the entire genre is mindlessly easy who cares?
^^^ That
Who cares about the difficulty as all MMOs are facerolls since more and more their catering casuals and non-gamers. I say none gamers because about 95% of the people I meet never touched a comp game besides a FPS becore picking up the MMO I met em in. As a gamer of many years I never been really challenged. Vanilla WoW and BC I was but since Wrath it went all downhill.
All MMOs these days are cake walks.
LOL you guys aren't even reading any of the previous posts on this thread. Hammerknell hasn't been beat yet. By anyone. How's that a faceroll again? Certain stuff in MMO is absolutely a cake walk. It needs to be or not enough people will play and companies need to make money.
Forbes gave no quote go re-read David Reid's quote from your own first post
we both agree that Rift is successful -- leave it at that
Yes Forbes makes numbers up all the time. They have no understanding of reporting on factual evidence or reporting actual numbers when it comes to success in the business world. /sarcasmoff
we'll leave it at that.
Did you even read that article... there is no mention of numbers or rift subs.... at all. It talks about F2P model and End of Nations....
Did YOU even read my post or the article? It specifically says over a million paid users. The word million is a number last I checked. The article itself is directed towards End of Nations, but journalist tend to interject facts in them. They establish whom the company is by remarking on their recent success for their first MMO.
There absolutely is a mention of Rift. Go read the article and not the headline. Then go find another forum to troll in.
Did YOU even read my post or the article? It specifically says over a million paid users. The word million is a number last I checked. The article itself is directed towards End of Nations, but journalist tend to interject facts in them. They establish whom the company is by remarking on their recent success for their first MMO.
There absolutely is a mention of Rift. Go read the article and not the headline. Then go find another forum to troll in.
I did and it said one million players. I do believe it as much as I used to believe LOTROs numbers in articles around 2007 when a lot of papers quoted 3,5-4 million users.
Rift is clearly doing surprisingly well, but I wont believe any number that high unless Trion themselves officially say it. That is my policy with all games.
It do have pretty good Xfire rating (16 currently) and I could well imagine that it have around half a million players which is very good, but if it actually had a full million Trion themselves would not be silent about it, they would announce it in all their adds.
Did YOU even read my post or the article? It specifically says over a million paid users. The word million is a number last I checked. The article itself is directed towards End of Nations, but journalist tend to interject facts in them. They establish whom the company is by remarking on their recent success for their first MMO.
There absolutely is a mention of Rift. Go read the article and not the headline. Then go find another forum to troll in.
I did and it said one million players. I do believe it as much as I used to believe LOTROs numbers in articles around 2007 when a lot of papers quoted 3,5-4 million users.
Rift is clearly doing surprisingly well, but I wont believe any number that high unless Trion themselves officially say it. That is my policy with all games.
It do have pretty good Xfire rating (16 currently) and I could well imagine that it have around half a million players which is very good, but if it actually had a full million Trion themselves would not be quit about it, they would announce it in all their adds.
Well the ad thing is a very good point. But who knows what their strategy is at this point or how accurate over a million that number is when refering to current subs. I'm just saying I'm not dismissing it out of hand and presented a few facts to back up my opinion of why I think it's possible. If it's less, I don't care. Just the utter lack of disbelief from some that such a thing could even think it possible is what gets me:)
WoW looses around 900k subs. Rift supposedly has 1 million.
I see a link here perhaps. I think people are really wanting a new quality AAA mmo to play. Im not saying there's anything right or wrong with WoW. But Ive honestly never understood how anyone can play a single game for the better part of a decade. I have a feeling many players are screaming to get out. They just need a good reason.
Looks like Rift might be the new place to go, considering it myself. Blizzard released two horrible expansions which basically told the players to like it or leave it so they actually did leave. I dont think they were expecting RIFT either. I think right now whats going on is a stability test, guilds getting in from old wow guilds, people who had their class or spec ruined on WOW over and over again not to mention the better graphics. Also their is TOR, I think many WOW players are going to wait to see how TOR does, I think TOR is going to suck so when people play tor a few months who are not already playing RIFT and realize EA sucks, which we all know to be true. I think the next year and a half will be great for RIFT. WOW didn't get all those subs over night, it takes a little plant watering.
Anyone who said that Rift servers are always Medium to High at all times or even during peak hours are liers cause I saw for myself that it's not true. 80% of the servers were Low and maybe like 3 or 4 were Medium when I saw them.
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Forbes gave no quote go re-read David Reid's quote from your own first post
we both agree that Rift is successful -- leave it at that
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Yes Forbes makes numbers up all the time. They have no understanding of reporting on factual evidence or reporting actual numbers when it comes to success in the business world. /sarcasmoff
we'll leave it at that.
I can report what I've myself seen. 2.5 months in game, I moved immediately to the busiest overall server I could find. Usually with wait times to login up to 20 minutes.
Now...no wait times..never listed as more than medium filled and none of the other servers have gone to 'busy'. I see no indication the player base is growing, just the opposite in fact.
You can talk all you want about 'balance', I'll blame it on one of the rudest player bases i've ever experienced. It is really an unfriendly game. People pay for an mmo to have fun, not get abused and it never stops in this game if you open your mouth.
Rather amusing to watch these children destroying the basis for their only 'leetness'.
Not that one has to be so leet in Rift..it's undoubtedly the easiest MMO i've ever played and i've played ALL the majors since '97.
The 3 months I prepaid is up soon, won't be renewing.
If we're talking about leveling, you're probably right. It's not that difficult. If we are talking about endgame content, you couldn't be more wrong. While for the very skilled players, experts are a joke; the raids are still significantly challenging.
Hammerknell is down right hard. It's been out for almost a month and no guild has cleared it yet on the live servers.
Not one.
This is true. In WoW for example all raids are cleared before even completing 1 week out.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
Edgar Allan Poe
I'm happy you think it's challenging. I personally had no problems learning the dance. The average competence of the Rift player may be more the factor in 'difficulty' here.
Lotsa genuine 12 year olds in there...
raid not hard in rift?dream on if they werent hard why did trion nerf them then.if they re too easy just ask trion to revert all the hardness level to the way they were i bet trion will be happy to oblige!
like i mentionned in the game(if some were there)this game is like gw1,it isnt about being max level everybody can reach level 50 fairly easy the is the stuff around,some quest are darn right insane to do.be it in pvp,pve,raid,probably world rift pvp(will probably have their own server too those)
any saying this game is a walk in the park hasnt played what we talk about!when a player say some rift part is hard stop being so condescedant and make sure you are right it is easy lol.
people arent has ignorant has you believe them to be lol.
anyway still having fun lol!guard around area are getting more trigger happy (as if that was possible lol,level 30 atm)
Curious, what server do you or did you play at? Thats not my experience at all
Also, related to difficulty, what raids did you complete and bosses?
no thanks. not another mmo debate escalating to flames.
Your request for justification: denied.
nothing for me there. won't be renewing. end of communications.
Lol, understood.
Easy to sniff you "guys" out nowadays...
Well then I have yet to hear about how you cleared Hammerknell. Because I know you haven't. As I said before, no one has. Sure someone will and very soon, but I know right now that someone is not you.
Oh and in case anyone is wondering top guilds are now at boss 9 of 11 in Hammerknell.
You do realize clearing raid content doesnt make you a good player right? It means your in a guild that has enough people willing to act as if Rift is a job and schedule game sessions 3-5 days a week.
Being a raider is similar to being a regular gamer that plays all games on Easy and still uses a prima strat guide for everything. These players follow someones spec, rotation, macro guides. when they get into a raid instances they watch step by step videos of encounters.
So i wouldnt gage a persons skill on completed raid content when the reality of it is the guild leader is the skilled person. hes skilled in social skills and management skills. because he can get mindless lemmings to follow a schedule and read cheat guides...
So the person you're quoting is right Rift is easy, but when the entire genre is mindlessly easy who cares?
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
^^^ That
Who cares about the difficulty as all MMOs are facerolls since more and more their catering casuals and non-gamers. I say none gamers because about 95% of the people I meet never touched a comp game besides a FPS becore picking up the MMO I met em in. As a gamer of many years I never been really challenged. Vanilla WoW and BC I was but since Wrath it went all downhill.
All MMOs these days are cake walks.
Did you even read that article... there is no mention of numbers or rift subs.... at all. It talks about F2P model and End of Nations....
WoW looses around 900k subs. Rift supposedly has 1 million.
I see a link here perhaps. I think people are really wanting a new quality AAA mmo to play. Im not saying there's anything right or wrong with WoW. But Ive honestly never understood how anyone can play a single game for the better part of a decade. I have a feeling many players are screaming to get out. They just need a good reason.
only thing missing if i ain mistaking is world rift pvp!
What guides?! What Videos?! Sure on some of the stuff there are guides and strats for certain makeups of the early bosses of HK.
That's true with any videogame out there. But the last few bosses of Hammerknell? There are no guides right now. The top guilds haven't done the content yet. The patch dropped almost a month ago. That's my point. And you speak as someone whom never Raids and is jealous of the raiders whom actually - I don't know, clear the content.
Don't like progression themepark? Go play another game. My response was to the comment that Rift is the easiest MMO out there. Dismiss the facts however you like. That statement is wrong.
LOL you guys aren't even reading any of the previous posts on this thread. Hammerknell hasn't been beat yet. By anyone. How's that a faceroll again? Certain stuff in MMO is absolutely a cake walk. It needs to be or not enough people will play and companies need to make money.
Did YOU even read my post or the article? It specifically says over a million paid users. The word million is a number last I checked. The article itself is directed towards End of Nations, but journalist tend to interject facts in them. They establish whom the company is by remarking on their recent success for their first MMO.
There absolutely is a mention of Rift. Go read the article and not the headline. Then go find another forum to troll in.
I did and it said one million players. I do believe it as much as I used to believe LOTROs numbers in articles around 2007 when a lot of papers quoted 3,5-4 million users.
Rift is clearly doing surprisingly well, but I wont believe any number that high unless Trion themselves officially say it. That is my policy with all games.
It do have pretty good Xfire rating (16 currently) and I could well imagine that it have around half a million players which is very good, but if it actually had a full million Trion themselves would not be silent about it, they would announce it in all their adds.
Well the ad thing is a very good point. But who knows what their strategy is at this point or how accurate over a million that number is when refering to current subs. I'm just saying I'm not dismissing it out of hand and presented a few facts to back up my opinion of why I think it's possible. If it's less, I don't care. Just the utter lack of disbelief from some that such a thing could even think it possible is what gets me:)
Looks like Rift might be the new place to go, considering it myself. Blizzard released two horrible expansions which basically told the players to like it or leave it so they actually did leave. I dont think they were expecting RIFT either. I think right now whats going on is a stability test, guilds getting in from old wow guilds, people who had their class or spec ruined on WOW over and over again not to mention the better graphics. Also their is TOR, I think many WOW players are going to wait to see how TOR does, I think TOR is going to suck so when people play tor a few months who are not already playing RIFT and realize EA sucks, which we all know to be true. I think the next year and a half will be great for RIFT. WOW didn't get all those subs over night, it takes a little plant watering.
Anyone who said that Rift servers are always Medium to High at all times or even during peak hours are liers cause I saw for myself that it's not true. 80% of the servers were Low and maybe like 3 or 4 were Medium when I saw them.