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  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    I am so conflicted on what class is going to be my mine.  I had my heart set on Bounty Hunter, and after playing it this last weekend, I fell in love with it.  Only problem is the guild I'm joining is going to be Republic.  I'm leaning towards Consular Sage (telekinetics), but God help me, I really enjoyed the 8 levels as a Jedi Knight.  The combat was pretty fun, and I was still using the vibroblade.  Ugh, I don't want to be one of the thousand Jedi Knights running around, but they are fun.  Maybe I'll just try one of every class, level them all to 10 or so, and then continue on with the one that's most fun.  Still, every video I see of the Consular makes me think I may play that one.  

  • DinendaeDinendae Member Posts: 1,264

    Originally posted by Biggus99

    I am so conflicted on what class is going to be my mine.  I had my heart set on Bounty Hunter, and after playing it this last weekend, I fell in love with it.  Only problem is the guild I'm joining is going to be Republic.  I'm leaning towards Consular Sage (telekinetics), but God help me, I really enjoyed the 8 levels as a Jedi Knight.  The combat was pretty fun, and I was still using the vibroblade.  Ugh, I don't want to be one of the thousand Jedi Knights running around, but they are fun.  Maybe I'll just try one of every class, level them all to 10 or so, and then continue on with the one that's most fun.  Still, every video I see of the Consular makes me think I may play that one.  


     

    If you loved the Bounty Hunter, but want to play Republic with your guild, I believe the Trooper is the Republic equivalent to the Bounty Hunter.

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  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

    I liked the review but for music may I suggest some Gary Numan next time?

    As for all the hate in the thread,

    and don't ever forget,

    and watch out for Mike B he may look like a harmless ewok but I've seen what he get's up to at these comic con events,

    That's what happened to the last lady "selected" to review SWTOR on her blog!

     

    Thanks for the review and not spoiling any of the story.

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  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    Originally posted by Dinendae



    If you loved the Bounty Hunter, but want to play Republic with your guild, I believe the Trooper is the Republic equivalent to the Bounty Hunter.

    Yup, that's what I think too.  Trooper is a definite possibility, particularly commando.  But I don't think they have an ability similar to Death From Above, which is my favorite ability EVER in an MMO.  But yeah, that huge cannon they run around with will be fun.   Trooper is a definite possibility for me.  

  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,701

    Did anyone notice she dyed her eyebrows black? I wonder why.

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Originally posted by rt33

    Originally posted by BarakIII


    Originally posted by rt33


    Originally posted by BarakIII

    Ah, wow, it's Pokket. I've seen her on some Gamebreaker TV episodes. I'm surprised she was so positive in this preview, previously on gbtv she seemed uninterested in TOR. Not really negative, but she didn't seem to have much interest in it. She always seemed to be more of a Rift fan. I'm glad to see she's willing to give TOR a positive preview.

    Yeah it's odd that coming closer to site ads, magazine ads time WHOA!! errrrrrrr i 'm mean launch, many whom were uninterested or others whom didn't like it in the least are all of a sudden having a change of heart??? Well that is until ad revenue stops then the real opinions come back into focus.



    Take what you have heard from different source's before into consideration.



    Before anyone flames out I'm not targeting SWTOR it's any game, any site, any magazine. Been this way for years and will always be this way.



    I remember buying a few games based on magazine previews, OMG it's looking amazing ohhh baby, I buy game, sucks, then the review issue show up a month or two later and it's a crap score and they absolutely hate the POS game???? WTF? this isn't what you said two issues ago bro. lol



    I could have pre-ordered skyrim and saved some money, but i didn't, i bought it the day after release, i read enough player feedback to know this is a must buy, no regrets. Sure i could have saved a few bucks but over the years I'm fairly certain I've saved hundreds if not thousands in taking the wait it out for the real reviews, player feedback.



    Or maybe she actually played the game and had a change of opinion? Sometimes some of you are way too quick to go all 'conspiracy theory' on us.

    Yeah could be getting the tinfoil hat out of the closet or maybe seen it all before over the years and this is just the way it is.



    It's OK "it's just business".



    I edited my post to include an example, it's odd all of a sudden no magazine or website that relies on ad revenue has not one negative thing to say anymore?



    Seriously would you buy ads from a site or mag that trashes your game?

    It's asn INSIDE JOB! Wake up sheeple! The gaming sites are in a vast conspiracy to push bad games on consumers with the gaming media! The Illuminsti and CIA are also in on this! This evil conspiracy to push bad games on gamers goes all the way back to the JFK assassination!

  • AutemOxAutemOx Member Posts: 1,704

    Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.

    The fact is, who decides which bloggers and game companies to allow to review the game?  The game developers.  That is why you should wait until a game is released to take positive reviews seriously.  Especially with big titles like this one.

    Theres only one thing that I have seen in this game that I like...:  Star Wars.  Not enough for me.

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  • BlasphimBlasphim Member UncommonPosts: 354

    Originally posted by JudgeUK

    Did anyone notice she dyed her eyebrows black? I wonder why.

    wait...did you say black eyebrows?  OMG it must be Bioware trying use some underhanded method of posative promotion for their game!!!!

    /sarcasm off

     

    Srry, I couldn't resist, this thread has had me chuckling.   No offence Judge, but that post came like right outta nowhere I just had to roll with it.

     

     

  • DarkholmeDarkholme Member UncommonPosts: 1,212

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    The fact is, who decides which bloggers and game companies to allow to review the game?  The game developers.  That is why you should wait until a game is released to take positive reviews seriously.  Especially with big titles like this one.

    Fact? You want to see a fact? The fact is the media embargo was lifted for ALL media, not just media approved by EA/Bioware... That means, if someone in a media outlet wanted to come out with a preview of the game and they found things they didn't like about it, then they are free to point them out. There is nothing stopping them. What you are stating is a straight up fallacy tailored to try and make people believe that any positive preview or review of a game that you do not like is somehow a shill for the company putting out the game...

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  • ThunderballsThunderballs Member Posts: 365

    This is 4 weeks late.  very poor.

    Caveat Emptor

  • DignaDigna Member UncommonPosts: 1,994

    I'll give her credit for bothering to create the 'cast in the first place.

    That said, to the folks who are shouting 'Down with haters', not all criticism is people being jerks. Constructive criticism HELPS. Without it we don't change.

    Pokket already acknowledged that most people found some difficulty with the music. As I did. If it had been a bit softer and perhaps more theme based, say the old Star Wars theme it would have been in context and drawn the listener in even more.

    Some criticism helps. Perhaps she (Pokket) wants to be a neurosurgeon and is doing this for a lark. Or perhaps this is something she plans to try to make a career out of, in which case a bit of polish and some 'helpful hints' are far from a bad thing.

    Sometimes people don't see the forest for the trees (addressed to the folks who are labeling others as haters).

     

    All that aside, I enjoyed PvP a lot. Quite a few 'unbalanced' scenarios where they ended early because one side or the other didn't have enough players but over all I like them all.

    I agree that this is a game where (for the first time in a LONG time) I avidly look forward to playing, looking, learning and am not in a rush to 'get it over with'.

     

    A side note to MMORPG staff. If you could get your website designers to come up with an auto-truncate option so that quotes with multiple blank line were truncated down to 1, you would probably save 33% of your posting storage space. ;P

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.

    Probably not a conspiracy theory, per se, but it is paranoid.  And the argumentum ad hominem of attacking the reviewer when you don't like the contents of review is fallacious by definition.

    What's the motivation for taking an accusatory stace at the reviewer?  You can answer that for yourself, I imagine.  Which is more "pathetic"?

    It is a pretty good red herring though.  How many pages of "review the reviewer" did we get from it?

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  • JowenJowen Member Posts: 326

    Hm... no.

    I cannot see this as anything but short term entertainment and as such no a hobby to invest long term in.

  • bakagamibakagami Member UncommonPosts: 152

    Originally posted by Blasphim

    Originally posted by JudgeUK

    Did anyone notice she dyed her eyebrows black? I wonder why.

    wait...did you say black eyebrows?  OMG it must be Bioware trying use some underhanded method of posative promotion for their game!!!!

    /sarcasm off

     

    Srry, I couldn't resist, this thread has had me chuckling.   No offence Judge, but that post came like right outta nowhere I just had to roll with it.

     

     


     



    Yeah, I was going to go there too but I couldn't think of anything to say, lol

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.



     

    I'm sorry that's what people are called when they go out of their way to paint something as harmless as this as some trap to lure the unsuspecting in. Even the poster in question acknowledged he could be making something out of nothing....

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by Icewhite


    Originally posted by wormywyrm
    Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.

    Probably not a conspiracy theory, per se, but it is paranoid.  And the argumentum ad hominem of attacking the reviewer when you don't like the contents of review is fallacious by definition.
    What's the motivation for taking an accusatory stace at the reviewer?  You can answer that for yourself, I imagine.  Which is more "pathetic"?
    It is a pretty good red herring though.  How many pages of "review the reviewer" did we get from it?


    The thread started with several reviews of the reviewer. At first, I thought that was the point of the thread.

    ** edit **
    Then I realized that the thread was about whether or not you like SW:ToR (whether you played it or not) and then using that opinion to bash or praise the reviewer. Anything, up to and including paranoid conspiracy theories and dyed eyebrows is a legitimate justification for whatever opinion you've got. Just so long as you don't come out and say, "I like/don't like SW:ToR and I have/have not played it!"

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  • DeathTouchDeathTouch Member UncommonPosts: 508

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     




    Originally posted by Icewhite





    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.






    Probably not a conspiracy theory, per se, but it is paranoid.  And the argumentum ad hominem of attacking the reviewer when you don't like the contents of review is fallacious by definition.

    What's the motivation for taking an accusatory stace at the reviewer?  You can answer that for yourself, I imagine.  Which is more "pathetic"?

    It is a pretty good red herring though.  How many pages of "review the reviewer" did we get from it?








    The thread started with several reviews of the reviewer. At first, I thought that was the point of the thread.



    ** edit **

    Then I realized that the thread was about whether or not you like SW:ToR (whether you played it or not) and then using that opinion to bash or praise the reviewer. Anything, up to and including paranoid conspiracy theories and dyed eyebrows is a legitimate justification for whatever opinion you've got. Just so long as you don't come out and say, "I like/don't like SW:ToR and I have/have not played it!"

     


     

    I like SW:TOR and yes i have played it.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by DeathTouch

    Originally posted by lizardbones  

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Originally posted by wormywyrm Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.
    Probably not a conspiracy theory, per se, but it is paranoid.  And the argumentum ad hominem of attacking the reviewer when you don't like the contents of review is fallacious by definition. What's the motivation for taking an accusatory stace at the reviewer?  You can answer that for yourself, I imagine.  Which is more "pathetic"? It is a pretty good red herring though.  How many pages of "review the reviewer" did we get from it?
    The thread started with several reviews of the reviewer. At first, I thought that was the point of the thread. ** edit ** Then I realized that the thread was about whether or not you like SW:ToR (whether you played it or not) and then using that opinion to bash or praise the reviewer. Anything, up to and including paranoid conspiracy theories and dyed eyebrows is a legitimate justification for whatever opinion you've got. Just so long as you don't come out and say, "I like/don't like SW:ToR and I have/have not played it!"    
    I like SW:TOR and yes i have played it.

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  • richarddoylericharddoyle Member UncommonPosts: 84

    Every time a big MMO is developed, this happens.

    There will be haters, and there will be lovers, and it will either by the dawn of a new era of MMOs or the downfall of society as we know it.

    Ok, so, maybe not that dramtic, but still.

    I'll be waiting to see what happens with SWTOR.  If they can actually make it resemble KOTOR, then awesome, I loved KOTOR.

    However, I'm not going to hail it as the new messiah of MMOs just yet.

    The fact is, that I've heard more than once that the creators themselves like WoW... and it seems inevitable that it will take influence from WoW.

    So I'm wary about the game.  I've got nothing against WoW, I played WoW for some time with friends and enjoyed it.  But I would like to see an MMO that's different from WoW, something fresh and original.  Well... original in the MMO market, anyway, and I think a KOTOR-like MMO would be original enough for me, MMO-wise.

    What I do hate, however, is how people inevitably roll out the red carpet before they know what they're getting.  The same thing happens in every damn big-name MMO that comes out now.  It's all sun-shine and rainbows when its about to release, everything is paved with gold, heavenly music is filling the air as the God of MMOs has finally come to bless us with its presence.  And they say, "This game isn't WoW, it is certainly much much better than WoW, I love this game, this game is the best"

    Then, 2 months later, they've left the game, they say it sucks and it lacks end-game content, it has too many flaws, and all of a sudden they're hailing the next big-name MMO that's coming out as the messiah.

    Can we please... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop over-hyping /over-hating MMOs before they come out?  I mean it's rediculous... just wait until the game is actually out to say whether it's good... OR BAD!

    I mean it's no wonder people start thinking there's a conspiracy, and half the people posting news and in forums are being payed off.  Because there are people who are like, creaming in their pants just by hearing the name of this MMO, and for fucks sakes they haven't even played it yet or have only played a damn beta for it.  Ok, so you played the beta, whoopidty doo, butt-loads of people who I see singing the praise about an MMO clear up to max level, then suddenly they think it's shit.

    I know, everybody wants to state their opinion, and that's cool... but do you really need to have a war over whether it's good or bad, before you even really know what it's going to be like?

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  • binary_0011binary_0011 Member Posts: 528

    Thanks Hillary.

  • Balkin31Balkin31 Member UncommonPosts: 224

    Originally posted by Fadedbomb

    Game looks bad, not a true StarWars MMO :'(.

     

    Animations are rigid and out of place.

     

    Effects are over the top, and in some places just plain embarassing to see in a North American product.

     

    Linear Hand-Held Questing, even with voiced interactions, is simply boring. Not to mention developement for new quests will take several times longer to produce because of all the different choices available, but in the end it's essentially the same outcome with a momentary "feeling" that you're actually effecting the end game goal. Needless to say the final outcome is something less desirable.

     

    Arena based PvP is pathetic, and a redesign needs to be implemented. Whenever a developer allows for BOTH Open-Zone & Arena based pvp the player's focus is split causing one to become more populated in regards to the other. Leading to one audience being completely alienated over the other. Bioware, being new to MMOs, hasn't figured this out yet :(.

     

    Crafting is a joke, and is completely uninspired. Allowing your companions to craft FOR YOU doesn''t make this any easier to stomach either.

     

    On-Rails space combat & travel is also a MASSIVE downer. What's the title called again? PlanetWars? OH WAIT, doesn't it have "STAR" in the title indicating that HUGE SPACE BATTLES would most likely be found inside? No? My fault then :)!

     

    If you loved World of Warcraft, you'll adore this game.





     

    Just my two cents from being around MMOs, Alpha & Beta testing them, since 1998 :)

     

    -Faded

     

    ps: Please fix your damn edit-post option. It adds like 6 lines of space between each entry!

    I agree with you 100% I was bored right away and hated the animations and graphics/color scheme of the whole thing, felt like WOW with lasers. The story did not hold my attention!!

     

  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    Trying to label people you disagree with as conspiricy theorist = pathetic.

    The fact is, who decides which bloggers and game companies to allow to review the game?  The game developers.  That is why you should wait until a game is released to take positive reviews seriously.  Especially with big titles like this one.

    Theres only one thing that I have seen in this game that I like...:  Star Wars.  Not enough for me.

     

    Okay, so positive reviews = BS.  Negative reviews = On the level and indicative of the game.  Gotcha.  Unfortunately, you forgot one thing:  What about all the normal gamer type testers that have tried the game and loved it?  You know, the people that don't work for a gamer site?  People like you and I, for example.  There are tons of those types who say this game is amazing.  Did BioWare pay them off too?  

    You guys said Bioware is hiding behind the NDA.  So they lifted the press embargo.

    You guys said they are paying off the professional reviewers in order to get good reviews, so Bioware increased the amount of people in their beta.

    You guys still complained about the NDA being in place because you believe Bioware doesn't want the testers talking about how awful the game is.  So next weekend, Bioware is letting EVERYONE play it.

    You guys complained about them only allowing weekend testers so that most people will only get to experience the first 15 or so levels and not see how poor the rest of the game is.  So Bioware stated that last weekend's testers will be able to carry over the characters they made into next weekends test so that they can experience more content at higher levels.  

    The haters and conspiracy theorists are running out of ammo quickly.  

  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 Member Posts: 2,735

    why exactly should we care about her opinion?

  • goblagobla Member UncommonPosts: 1,412

    Originally posted by nerovipus32

    why exactly should we care about her opinion?

    As an adult you're supposed to decide that for yourself. If that's too much trouble you can always ask your mother.

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  • BarakIIIBarakIII Member Posts: 800

    Originally posted by nerovipus32

    why exactly should we care about her opinion?

    Why should we care about anyone's opinion? Why should we care about your opinion of her opinion? She's a gamer who's interested enough to invest her time into vlogging and is apparently good enough at it to be invited as a guest on Gamebreaker TV and other gaming sites. Nobody says you have to agree with what she has to say.

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