LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?
This was touched upon in an earlier thread in which a poster did consider the CE to be a cash shop purchase. Most people however made a distinction between a "time limited" CE purchase and a cash shop item. Many commenting that this would ensure that Imperials were a "special case" and so on. And I certainly saw that as a valid distinction - even though I found myself learning towards the view that the CE had gone to far.
Making the upgrade to the CE available as a post-purchase cash shop item however undermines the argument; essentially the (digital) CE is now the same as basic TESO with a cash shop purchase tagged on.
On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?
New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!
You pay more and you get more!
Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself
Originally posted by otacu Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by Lord.BachusOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by Lord.Bachushttp://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1v9rm9/just_a_reminder_no_cash_shop_in_eso/please everyone read the above link, and make it a sticky, so we dont have these pay to win topics pop up atleast 2 times a day.this is not meant to be a discussion topic, but as a fact and a statement... There is no reason to discuss this for now and the future anyhow, as there are no plans either to go free to play ... Just accept this as a fact...
Just accept this fact: you will be able to even buy playable races in the cash shop.As to "no plans to go F2P".... i find this statement very funnyA fact is something you have proof of..your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...Fact
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future". LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars.
Feel free to correct me
yeah it's called the imperial edition lol
people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?
people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?
that really is quite comical.
What makes you think they will NOT start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" then?
Because they said so?
Eheh... Eh.. Ohohoh... AHAHAHAH! Oh man! You're a funny one, for sure.
If anything, I'd trust their actions more than their "claims" at this stage, and their actions are pointing in a specific direction which isn't "comical" unfortunately.
Originally posted by Lord.Bachushttp://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1v9rm9/just_a_reminder_no_cash_shop_in_eso/please everyone read the above link, and make it a sticky, so we dont have these pay to win topics pop up atleast 2 times a day.this is not meant to be a discussion topic, but as a fact and a statement... There is no reason to discuss this for now and the future anyhow, as there are no plans either to go free to play ... Just accept this as a fact...
Just accept this fact: you will be able to even buy playable races in the cash shop.As to "no plans to go F2P".... i find this statement very funny
A fact is something you have proof of..your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...
Fact
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future".
LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?
I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars.
Feel free to correct me
yeah it's called the imperial edition lol
people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?
that really is quite comical.
For someone who puts so much faith in words of developers...'naive' is the only word that comes to my mind.
On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?
New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!
You pay more and you get more!
Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself
On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?
New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!
You pay more and you get more!
Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by baphametOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by Lord.BachusOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by Lord.Bachushttp://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1v9rm9/just_a_reminder_no_cash_shop_in_eso/please everyone read the above link, and make it a sticky, so we dont have these pay to win topics pop up atleast 2 times a day.this is not meant to be a discussion topic, but as a fact and a statement... There is no reason to discuss this for now and the future anyhow, as there are no plans either to go free to play ... Just accept this as a fact...
Just accept this fact: you will be able to even buy playable races in the cash shop.As to "no plans to go F2P".... i find this statement very funnyA fact is something you have proof of..your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...Fact
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future". LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars.Feel free to correct me yeah it's called the imperial edition lolpeople are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?that really is quite comical. For someone who puts so much faith in words of developers...'naive' is the only word that comes to my mind.
you font know what faith i put in developers. i just know selling a limited edition on your website is not the same as offering items on a cash shop.
i am smart enough to know there actually is a difference lol
Originally posted by askdaboss Originally posted by baphamet yeah it's called the imperial edition lol people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?that really is quite comical.
What makes you think they will NOT start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" then?
Because they said so?
Eheh... Eh.. Ohohoh... AHAHAHAH! Oh man! You're a funny one, for sure.
If anything, I'd trust their actions more than their "claims" at this stage, and their actions are pointing in a specific direction which isn't "comical" unfortunately.
that's besides the point. how many mmo's have a limited edition version of the game sold on their website with in game vanity items?
does that automatically mean its a cash shop item? or that its a limited edition being sold on their website?
the paranoia over this is indeed comical, the anger and concern over something so trivial is equally comical.
i realize that my laughter at your expense isn't funny to you, it sure is to me though.
and no, i am not saying i trust them or that there isn't going to be other items on their "cash shop"
i just think using the IE being sold on their website as your reasoning for them going back on their word about a cash shop is quite hilarious.
Are you smart enough to understand that this item will sell well and that will be the beginning of the entire game becoming driven by cash shop MT purchases.
Just like all the others.
Wow is not driven by the cash shop. Invalidates your "Just like all the others".
Originally posted by ironsideIV Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by BigdaddyxOriginally posted by baphametOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by baphametOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by Lord.BachusOriginally posted by otacuOriginally posted by Lord.Bachushttp://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1v9rm9/just_a_reminder_no_cash_shop_in_eso/please everyone read the above link, and make it a sticky, so we dont have these pay to win topics pop up atleast 2 times a day.this is not meant to be a discussion topic, but as a fact and a statement... There is no reason to discuss this for now and the future anyhow, as there are no plans either to go free to play ... Just accept this as a fact...
Just accept this fact: you will be able to even buy playable races in the cash shop.As to "no plans to go F2P".... i find this statement very funnyA fact is something you have proof of..your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...Fact
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future". LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars.Feel free to correct me yeah it's called the imperial edition lolpeople are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?that really is quite comical. For someone who puts so much faith in words of developers...'naive' is the only word that comes to my mind.you font know what faith i put in developers. i just know selling a limited edition on your website is not the same as offering items on a cash shop.i am smart enough to know there actually is a difference lolAre you smart enough to understand they are already selling in game items in their cash shop?
Are you smart enough to understand that this item will sell well and that will be the beginning of the entire game becoming driven by cash shop MT purchases.
Just like all the others.
which in game items are they selling on their cash shop? a horse that is the same horse you can get in the IE?
name me one thing they have mentioned they are selling on the side that is not including with their IE.
until you can do that, you are paranoid over a god damn video game LOL
you guys are complaining over shit they have not done yet, because you think they will.
i'm damn sure smart enough to know mass paranoia when i see it and that's whats going on here.
it's funny as fuck to me considering it's all over a video game lol
Are you smart enough to understand that this item will sell well and that will be the beginning of the entire game becoming driven by cash shop MT purchases.
Just like all the others.
Wow is not driven by the cash shop. Invalidates your "Just like all the others".
Considering I meant just like all the other cash shop driven games?
Common sense and context invalidates your trolling.
You have failed to show ESO is a cash shop game. Your vague reference at the bottom in reference, seemingly, to all games with cash shops leading to those games being cash shop driven. So your statement is invalid without better defining which I doubt you can do. All the games you would reference are F2P games while the two big sub games (if ESO can stay sub) both have cash shops but are not driven by them even when those cash shops make substantial money for the company.
Are you smart enough to understand that this item will sell well and that will be the beginning of the entire game becoming driven by cash shop MT purchases.
Just like all the others.
Wow is not driven by the cash shop. Invalidates your "Just like all the others".
Considering I meant just like all the other cash shop driven games?
Common sense and context invalidates your trolling.
You have failed to show ESO is a cash shop game. Your vague reference at the bottom in reference, seemingly, to all games with cash shops leading to those games being cash shop driven. So your statement is invalid without better defining which I doubt you can do. All the games you would reference are F2P games while the two big sub games (if ESO can stay sub) both have cash shops but are not driven by them even when those cash shops make substantial money for the company.
What a load of desperate fanboy nonsense.
The FIRST example that pops to mind is SWTOR which is a fully fledged sub based game and ALSO has a Freemium option too.
The entire game is cash shop driven. The value of the monthly sub is continually undermined with everything from mounts, gear, weapons, gamble boxes, weekly passes to PvE content, XP boosts and all manner of other items being sold in the cash shop.
How many SWTOR "content" updates are now just cash shop updates? Most of them.
This is exactly the way I see ESO heading. Because it's easy money and ZOS already seem set up to gouge and nickel n dime their way to the bank.
It's only fanboys that pretend this isnt the case. Everyone else can see it coming a mile off.
Technically SWTOR is F2P with an optional sub. I hardly call it a full fledged sub based game when you have more playing or free than for sub. So I would reverse your statement that is a Freemium game that ALSO has a sub.
SWTOR is cash shop driven because it is not a sub based game...unlike WoW and Eve that are sub driven and not cash shop driven. So you first have to prove with your great foresight that ESO will go Freemium with a Sub and not stay just sub.
Wait you mean SWTOR's "expansion" was for purchase. Again the game failed the sub route....WoW and Eve with subs offer much for free and nothing in the "cash shop" as far as content. Again see above it is your unproven belief that ESO will fail at sub.
Finally you admit it...."I see ESO heading." In other words you come here spouting your personal opinion as fact.....that my friend is troll slobber. Your opinion is not fact. You do not know it will fail. For now the truth is what is before us. ESO has sub and the "cash shop" is not driving the game.
It is only haters that pretend this is not the case.
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Every naysayers opinion is highly based on assumptions, while my statement is based on facts...
Or put another way:
Every naysayer's opinion is based on experience in the MMO business over the last ten years.
Your statement is based on a press release from the company that tries to keep as many potential consumers interested as they can.
One of those parties has a vested and economic interest, the other does not.
Plus, in the link Lord.Bachus provided, it's the Creative Director for Elder Scrolls: Online, Paul Sage that states no cash shop. On the other hand, the statement that cash shops will be in the game was brought forward by Matt Firor, Studio General Manager of ZeniMax Online (http://www.zenimaxonline.com/about.html). If ZeniMax operates like any other game, Paul Sage is on a bonus plan linked to the success of the game he is responsible for and damage control concerning bad press is very likely high on his list of priorities, if not for a bonus then for the reference on his CV. Matt Firor on the other hand wants the company to make money, not just Elder Scrolls: Online, and even though he ofcourse wants it to succeed, he wants it to earn as much money as possible and has less qualms about alienating the pre-order community.
When in doubt I often take the old saying "Follow the money" to heart. There is already a cash shop planned out - will it be in at game launch? We will all know in less than a month.
On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?
New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!
You pay more and you get more!
Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself
Kinda like the darkside?
Yes and they will have lots of cash shop minions
But will they let me stay up late, eat ice cream and, this being most important, will they have pie?
Is that your version of I'm rubber your glue. I am only stating facts not opinion. The game has a sub, no freemium, cash shop is not driving the game, and it has not failed (it is not out yet). All facts not opinions.
All you can do is state your beliefs about the game. Those are opinions.
I can see this is pointless as you just jump from thread to thread spouting your opinion as fact and your rabid hatez for the game can not be reasoned with.
I would be fine with every game selling the items from the collectors/deluxe/whatever they call it editions piece meal for people to buy.
i think they only came up with the horse because people complained that they had to purchase the imp edition for the horse...i dunno...
I really disslike any type of shop as long as its a sub game - that for me is a no go even for cosmetics cause cosmetics takes money and time away from content (unless its 100% self sufficient then we can talk about it)...the only thing im okay with is account services like server changes and the such - and with the teso set up, there are hardly any of those needed....
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Every naysayers opinion is highly based on assumptions, while my statement is based on facts...
Or put another way:
Every naysayer's opinion is based on experience in the MMO business over the last ten years.
Your statement is based on a press release from the company that tries to keep as many potential consumers interested as they can.
One of those parties has a vested and economic interest, the other does not.
Plus, in the link Lord.Bachus provided, it's the Creative Director for Elder Scrolls: Online, Paul Sage that states no cash shop. On the other hand, the statement that cash shops will be in the game was brought forward by Matt Firor, Studio General Manager of ZeniMax Online (http://www.zenimaxonline.com/about.html). If ZeniMax operates like any other game, Paul Sage is on a bonus plan linked to the success of the game he is responsible for and damage control concerning bad press is very likely high on his list of priorities, if not for a bonus then for the reference on his CV. Matt Firor on the other hand wants the company to make money, not just Elder Scrolls: Online, and even though he ofcourse wants it to succeed, he wants it to earn as much money as possible and has less qualms about alienating the pre-order community.
When in doubt I often take the old saying "Follow the money" to heart. There is already a cash shop planned out - will it be in at game launch? We will all know in less than a month.
Again your predicate your opinion on the fact that the game will fail as a sub game. WoW and Eve in the past 10 years succeed and still do with cash shops that does not control the game. There is yet to be a sub based game that is also cash shop driven. So we have no experience in the MMO business over the last ten years with what you are saying.
Are you smart enough to understand that this item will sell well and that will be the beginning of the entire game becoming driven by cash shop MT purchases.Just like all the others.
Wow is not driven by the cash shop. Invalidates your "Just like all the others".
Considering I meant just like all the other cash shop driven games?Common sense and context invalidates your trolling.
You have failed to show ESO is a cash shop game. Your vague reference at the bottom in reference, seemingly, to all games with cash shops leading to those games being cash shop driven. So your statement is invalid without better defining which I doubt you can do. All the games you would reference are F2P games while the two big sub games (if ESO can stay sub) both have cash shops but are not driven by them even when those cash shops make substantial money for the company.
What a load of desperate fanboy nonsense.
The FIRST example that pops to mind is SWTOR which is a fully fledged sub based game and ALSO has a Freemium option too.
The entire game is cash shop driven. The value of the monthly sub is continually undermined with everything from mounts, gear, weapons, gamble boxes, weekly passes to PvE content, XP boosts and all manner of other items being sold in the cash shop.
How many SWTOR "content" updates are now just cash shop updates? Most of them.
This is exactly the way I see ESO heading. Because it's easy money and ZOS already seem set up to gouge and nickel n dime their way to the bank.
It's only fanboys that pretend this isnt the case. Everyone else can see it coming a mile off.
i like how we are just dumb fans because we don't buy into the paranoia hype that this game will actually have a F2P cash shop model (like SWTOR) with all these cash shop items.
when will this happen oh wise one? will they just ninja launch it on april 4th? perhaps a week after launch? two weeks? a month? i mean you seem totally convinced, maybe you have a crystal ball that i am unaware of?
you think you can see this "from a mile away" because they are selling the IE and items from the IE on their website? really? LOL
again, name me one thing they are selling not included in their IE, until then what i see from a mile away is pure rabid paranoia over a fucking video game.
Originally posted by ironsideIV Originally posted by Horusra@ironsideIV Is that your version of I'm rubber your glue. I am only stating facts not opinion. The game has a sub, no freemium, cash shop is not driving the game, and it has not failed (it is not out yet). All facts not opinions. All you can do is state your beliefs about the game. Those are opinions. I can see this is pointless as you just jump from thread to thread spouting your opinion as fact and your rabid hatez for the game can not be reasoned with. I would be fine with every game selling the items from the collectors/deluxe/whatever they call it editions piece meal for people to buy.
I'm not the one jumping from thread to thread calling people morons who have a different opinion to me. That would be you.
It is my opinion that the cash shop will soon enough be selling all of the items that *should* come as part of the sub, in addition to the sub. Time will tell. I'm very sorry that you disagree.
Does that make me a moron Horusra?
nothing wrong with thinking it will happen based on blind hope/fear (not really sure which one it is in your case)
but to be convinced it will happen based on the fact that they are selling the IE and items from the IE on their website is a laughable argument.
Originally posted by Horusra Again your predicate your opinion on the fact that the game will fail as a sub game. WoW and Eve in the past 10 years succeed and still do with cash shops that does not control the game. There is yet to be a sub based game that is also cash shop driven. So we have no experience in the MMO business over the last ten years with what you are saying.
That's fair enough but WoW is a fluke in the MMO business. There will propably never be another MMO like WoW. It's a hallmark, a popculture phenomenon, and the ultimate example of "right place, right time". ESO could be the next WoW but based on the amount of other thempark MMOs that have tried and failed it's not very statistically likely. EvE is a niche game that's mostly a sandbox, i.e. the success of EvE is largely dependent on the players and their involvement, they create their own content.
ESO is a themepark MMO and in that sense the comparison to WoW is valid. What you miss however when you make that comparison is that there are other themepark MMOs that has launched over the last ten years. Let's look at a few:
Warhammer: Age of Reckoning - launched as a sub game and stayed a sub game. Is now closed. City of Heroes/Villains - launched as a sub game. Later converted to a play-for-free model with cash shop. Is now closed. EverQuest 2 - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Age of Conan - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Tabula Rasa - launched as a sub game and stayed a sub game. Is now closed. Champions Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Rift - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Dungeons & Dragons: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. The Secret World - launched as a sub game. Later converted to a buy box, no subscription ever. Lord of the Rings: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Matrix: Online - launched as a sub game and stayed a sub game. Is now closed. Star Trek: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Star Wars: The Old Republic - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Guild Wars and Guilds Wars 2 - launched as a buy box, no subscription game. Aion: The Tower of Eternity - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop. Neverwinter Nights - launched with cash shop. DC Universe: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
You can put more on the list if you want to. My point is, that the development in the industry is to either launch and run with a subscription for a limited period before converting to a cash shop or go the route of other computer games where you buy the box and can then play as much as you like. Expansions are often still bought (just like other computer games where you would have to buy [Insert game name] II, III and so forth).
ESO has something new when it comes to consoles but only time will tell whether console users are ready to pay a subscription fee on top of the fee they pay to access the XBL/PS4 network. If this does not work and they have to give up the subscription model on the consoles, what will happen on the PC/Mac? We cannot know, in this area there is no data available to base our assumptions/expectations on.
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This was touched upon in an earlier thread in which a poster did consider the CE to be a cash shop purchase. Most people however made a distinction between a "time limited" CE purchase and a cash shop item. Many commenting that this would ensure that Imperials were a "special case" and so on. And I certainly saw that as a valid distinction - even though I found myself learning towards the view that the CE had gone to far.
Making the upgrade to the CE available as a post-purchase cash shop item however undermines the argument; essentially the (digital) CE is now the same as basic TESO with a cash shop purchase tagged on.
So in answer to your question: it seems it is.
On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?
New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!
You pay more and you get more!
Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself
A fact is something you have proof of.. your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...
Fact
- Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1 There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2 every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future".LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?
I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars.
Feel free to correct me
yeah it's called the imperial edition lol
people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website?
that really is quite comical.
What makes you think they will NOT start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" then?
Because they said so?
Eheh... Eh.. Ohohoh... AHAHAHAH! Oh man! You're a funny one, for sure.
If anything, I'd trust their actions more than their "claims" at this stage, and their actions are pointing in a specific direction which isn't "comical" unfortunately.
For someone who puts so much faith in words of developers...'naive' is the only word that comes to my mind.
An invasion is not planned
There will be no in-game cash shop
etc.
See for example: HISTORY
hahahahahahahahahaha
Great post
Kinda like the darkside?
Yes and they will have lots of cash shop minions
A fact is something you have proof of.. your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...
Fact
- Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1 There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2 every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future".LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?
I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars. Feel free to correct me
yeah it's called the imperial edition lol people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website? that really is quite comical.
For someone who puts so much faith in words of developers...'naive' is the only word that comes to my mind.
you font know what faith i put in developers. i just know selling a limited edition on your website is not the same as offering items on a cash shop.
i am smart enough to know there actually is a difference lol
Because they said so?
Eheh... Eh.. Ohohoh... AHAHAHAH! Oh man! You're a funny one, for sure.
If anything, I'd trust their actions more than their "claims" at this stage, and their actions are pointing in a specific direction which isn't "comical" unfortunately.
that's besides the point. how many mmo's have a limited edition version of the game sold on their website with in game vanity items?
does that automatically mean its a cash shop item? or that its a limited edition being sold on their website?
the paranoia over this is indeed comical, the anger and concern over something so trivial is equally comical.
i realize that my laughter at your expense isn't funny to you, it sure is to me though.
and no, i am not saying i trust them or that there isn't going to be other items on their "cash shop"
i just think using the IE being sold on their website as your reasoning for them going back on their word about a cash shop is quite hilarious.
so much paranoia over something so trivial.
Wow is not driven by the cash shop. Invalidates your "Just like all the others".
A fact is something you have proof of.. your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...
Fact
- Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq Official Elderscroll site faq So FACT 1 There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item. And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast) This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features" F2P mentality and FACT 2 every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future".LMAO! so buying the imperial edition is considered a cash shop item now?
I may be wrong but it seems that you cannot play a certain race if you don't pay extra dollars. Feel free to correct me
yeah it's called the imperial edition lol people are using this as their argument as to why zen will start adding other stuff to their "cash shop" because they are offering the imperial edition on their website? that really is quite comical.
For someone who puts so much faith in words of developers...'naive' is the only word that comes to my mind.
you font know what faith i put in developers. i just know selling a limited edition on your website is not the same as offering items on a cash shop. i am smart enough to know there actually is a difference lol
Are you smart enough to understand they are already selling in game items in their cash shop?
Are you smart enough to understand that this item will sell well and that will be the beginning of the entire game becoming driven by cash shop MT purchases.
Just like all the others.
which in game items are they selling on their cash shop? a horse that is the same horse you can get in the IE?
name me one thing they have mentioned they are selling on the side that is not including with their IE.
until you can do that, you are paranoid over a god damn video game LOL
you guys are complaining over shit they have not done yet, because you think they will.
i'm damn sure smart enough to know mass paranoia when i see it and that's whats going on here.
it's funny as fuck to me considering it's all over a video game lol
You have failed to show ESO is a cash shop game. Your vague reference at the bottom in reference, seemingly, to all games with cash shops leading to those games being cash shop driven. So your statement is invalid without better defining which I doubt you can do. All the games you would reference are F2P games while the two big sub games (if ESO can stay sub) both have cash shops but are not driven by them even when those cash shops make substantial money for the company.
Technically SWTOR is F2P with an optional sub. I hardly call it a full fledged sub based game when you have more playing or free than for sub. So I would reverse your statement that is a Freemium game that ALSO has a sub.
SWTOR is cash shop driven because it is not a sub based game...unlike WoW and Eve that are sub driven and not cash shop driven. So you first have to prove with your great foresight that ESO will go Freemium with a Sub and not stay just sub.
Wait you mean SWTOR's "expansion" was for purchase. Again the game failed the sub route....WoW and Eve with subs offer much for free and nothing in the "cash shop" as far as content. Again see above it is your unproven belief that ESO will fail at sub.
Finally you admit it...."I see ESO heading." In other words you come here spouting your personal opinion as fact.....that my friend is troll slobber. Your opinion is not fact. You do not know it will fail. For now the truth is what is before us. ESO has sub and the "cash shop" is not driving the game.
It is only haters that pretend this is not the case.
Every naysayer's opinion is based on experience in the MMO business over the last ten years.
Your statement is based on a press release from the company that tries to keep as many potential consumers interested as they can.
One of those parties has a vested and economic interest, the other does not.
Plus, in the link Lord.Bachus provided, it's the Creative Director for Elder Scrolls: Online, Paul Sage that states no cash shop. On the other hand, the statement that cash shops will be in the game was brought forward by Matt Firor, Studio General Manager of ZeniMax Online (http://www.zenimaxonline.com/about.html). If ZeniMax operates like any other game, Paul Sage is on a bonus plan linked to the success of the game he is responsible for and damage control concerning bad press is very likely high on his list of priorities, if not for a bonus then for the reference on his CV. Matt Firor on the other hand wants the company to make money, not just Elder Scrolls: Online, and even though he ofcourse wants it to succeed, he wants it to earn as much money as possible and has less qualms about alienating the pre-order community.
When in doubt I often take the old saying "Follow the money" to heart. There is already a cash shop planned out - will it be in at game launch? We will all know in less than a month.
But will they let me stay up late, eat ice cream and, this being most important, will they have pie?
@ironsideIV
Is that your version of I'm rubber your glue. I am only stating facts not opinion. The game has a sub, no freemium, cash shop is not driving the game, and it has not failed (it is not out yet). All facts not opinions.
All you can do is state your beliefs about the game. Those are opinions.
I can see this is pointless as you just jump from thread to thread spouting your opinion as fact and your rabid hatez for the game can not be reasoned with.
I would be fine with every game selling the items from the collectors/deluxe/whatever they call it editions piece meal for people to buy.
i think they only came up with the horse because people complained that they had to purchase the imp edition for the horse...i dunno...
I really disslike any type of shop as long as its a sub game - that for me is a no go even for cosmetics cause cosmetics takes money and time away from content (unless its 100% self sufficient then we can talk about it)...the only thing im okay with is account services like server changes and the such - and with the teso set up, there are hardly any of those needed....
Again your predicate your opinion on the fact that the game will fail as a sub game. WoW and Eve in the past 10 years succeed and still do with cash shops that does not control the game. There is yet to be a sub based game that is also cash shop driven. So we have no experience in the MMO business over the last ten years with what you are saying.
i like how we are just dumb fans because we don't buy into the paranoia hype that this game will actually have a F2P cash shop model (like SWTOR) with all these cash shop items.
when will this happen oh wise one? will they just ninja launch it on april 4th? perhaps a week after launch? two weeks? a month? i mean you seem totally convinced, maybe you have a crystal ball that i am unaware of?
you think you can see this "from a mile away" because they are selling the IE and items from the IE on their website? really? LOL
again, name me one thing they are selling not included in their IE, until then what i see from a mile away is pure rabid paranoia over a fucking video game.
It is my opinion that the cash shop will soon enough be selling all of the items that *should* come as part of the sub, in addition to the sub. Time will tell. I'm very sorry that you disagree.
Does that make me a moron Horusra?
nothing wrong with thinking it will happen based on blind hope/fear (not really sure which one it is in your case)
but to be convinced it will happen based on the fact that they are selling the IE and items from the IE on their website is a laughable argument.
just my opinion of course.
ESO is a themepark MMO and in that sense the comparison to WoW is valid. What you miss however when you make that comparison is that there are other themepark MMOs that has launched over the last ten years. Let's look at a few:
Warhammer: Age of Reckoning - launched as a sub game and stayed a sub game. Is now closed.
City of Heroes/Villains - launched as a sub game. Later converted to a play-for-free model with cash shop. Is now closed.
EverQuest 2 - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Age of Conan - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Tabula Rasa - launched as a sub game and stayed a sub game. Is now closed.
Champions Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Rift - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Dungeons & Dragons: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
The Secret World - launched as a sub game. Later converted to a buy box, no subscription ever.
Lord of the Rings: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Matrix: Online - launched as a sub game and stayed a sub game. Is now closed.
Star Trek: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Star Wars: The Old Republic - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Guild Wars and Guilds Wars 2 - launched as a buy box, no subscription game.
Aion: The Tower of Eternity - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
Neverwinter Nights - launched with cash shop.
DC Universe: Online - launched as a sub game. Later converted to play-for-free model with cash shop.
You can put more on the list if you want to. My point is, that the development in the industry is to either launch and run with a subscription for a limited period before converting to a cash shop or go the route of other computer games where you buy the box and can then play as much as you like. Expansions are often still bought (just like other computer games where you would have to buy [Insert game name] II, III and so forth).
ESO has something new when it comes to consoles but only time will tell whether console users are ready to pay a subscription fee on top of the fee they pay to access the XBL/PS4 network. If this does not work and they have to give up the subscription model on the consoles, what will happen on the PC/Mac? We cannot know, in this area there is no data available to base our assumptions/expectations on.