So now they needed, explosives, missiles AND internal charges to take the building down, christ, next thing you know they will cut the list down, and ill be told "the planes didnt actually crash into the tower"
I dont need a video by some guy who has no idea what hes talking about, giving me some half baked ideas, based on unverified information and sources to tell me what to think. Everyone can agree the twin tower attacks were the premise to the war on afghanistan, which is pretty much worth nothing to the USA. The war on Iraq was launched on a different note (WMD) and they went ahead with that despite not having any official information.
The simple fact is, if the USA wanted to declare war on afghanistan, it didnt need an extra excuse to do so, considering Osama has been on their most wanted list for over 10 years, and they knew there was a threat from Al'Q.
Originally posted by AlexAmore Alright Phoenixs, I believe you. Afterall you were watching it on TV and the firemen were in the building. What was I thinking.
Appearently you didn't grasp what I was saying. There is no international standard that tells you how a bomb sounds. I think most of us would think a bomb gives away a sound like boom, blam etc. When a building as high and as big as the Wtc comes down, there will be alot of sounds like boom, blam etc. These few firemen say they heard stuff that sounded like a bomb. I'm not saying that they are wrong. I'm not disputing that they heard something that sounded like a bomb, or heard a bomb. But when something like that happens something "sounding like a bomb" can be so much. So seing it a hard evidence that the building was brought down by bombs is just wrong.
The US did not have enough reason to attack the country of afghanistan just because they might have 1 "terrorist" hide somewhere. 9/11 made it "legal" to attack and occupy that country.
btw, There is a real reason behind why Afghanistan has to be occupied and have military bases being built there. I have information from some Pakistan people. Just wait and see(it might take some years), those military bases will have their uses when the US war with a big country(not Pakistan) in the east who is right beside Afghanistan. As the matter of fact, there were already reports of some captured "terrorists" of that country are using equipments supported by the US.
If my memory serves, there were large footage of media propagate about how Iraq was connected to the "terrorists", and their WMD will be passed to the terrorists to against the US. Which is the original excuse why the US attacked the Iraq. When both were proved wrong, the government changed the reason to be "operation Iraqi freedom"...what a joke.
but obivously, the majority people are always hardcore believers of the government, will always completely take in whatever information the government throw at them. They could argue those information were from the media, not the government...while don't realize the media were simply put out the information the government throws at them.
Take over Iraq and set up a puppet government was the plan since many years ago. During Clinton time, the US military was bombing Iraqi air defense almost every day. It was for preparing. Just need a big excuse for the final blow when Iraqi was completely defenseless.
Everything was a plan. Everything is a part of a big plan, that had been made years ago. Every president will work hard to make this long term plan work. And yes, whoever said Bush is a puppet, I completely agree. Every president of the US is. They have no real power. It's not like they were really voted out by the people anyway. You have to vote for the a few limited choices they gave to you in the first place, anyone else you vote for...it's not like you'll make a difference. As for who are the real bosses of this country? Only limited people realize that. And it's not like it will be changed as long as the system stays. Oh and don't expect any change before WWIII.
Let's get one thing straight: when you support sh*t like this, you are effectively spitting on the corpses of everyone that died that day. You should be damn right ashamed of yourselves.
Uhhhh, how? If you had any respect or care for those who died that day, you would want to find out what really happened, instead of forgetting about it.
I don't 100% support either sides, but there is no harm in learning things from different perspectives. Some people try to stomp on this video like they are putting out a fire, last I checked freedom of speech still exists.
This reminds me of the O.J. Simpson "conspiracy." Basically, they found that had O.J. NOT commit the murder, it would have taken a team of at least 30 people to have set him up.
I'm not going to rehash every specific piece of evidence about 9/11. The fact is, though, is that you cannot take things as they are. Realize that most of the stuff that these conspiracy "theorists" talk about is complete bull shit. However, you also have to have the open-mindedness to see that a lot of things do raise some red flags on specific points. Don't stand by your government just because some (in actuallity, most) evidence of a conspiracy is bogus. But don't denounce everything the government tells you just because there are a few minor indeterminacies. Be rational.
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
Originally posted by ViolentY This reminds me of the O.J. Simpson "conspiracy." Basically, they found that had O.J. NOT commit the murder, it would have taken a team of at least 30 people to have set him up. I'm not going to rehash every specific piece of evidence about 9/11. The fact is, though, is that you cannot take things as they are. Realize that most of the stuff that these conspiracy "theorists" talk about is complete bull shit. However, you also have to have the open-mindedness to see that a lot of things do raise some red flags on specific points. Don't stand by your government just because some (in actuallity, most) evidence of a conspiracy is bogus. But don't denounce everything the government tells you just because there are a few minor indeterminacies. Be rational.
Why arnt there more people like you? ViolentY pretty much spoke my views. Some Conspiracies do have plenty of merit, just look at the JFK Conspiracy.
The Bomb thing is admittingly far-fetched, a Commercial Airliner weighing at so many tons and travelling at 600-700mph and suddenly hitting a 100+ story building will do about as much damage as a Tomahawk Cruise Missle, if any bombs went off they would have to have been in the basement levels to obtain full effect.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
If they put bombs in the basement, it would look too obivous since the building will have explosions in the basement first before the collapse.
Thus if they wanted to make it look like a "natural" falling, the bombs must be planted all over the different floors to make the buildings look like falling from the top.
As for the people who still believe it was the gas tanks blew up, how could they blew up when the fire was far above many floors? Unless you really believe gas tanks all over the places will go off as long as there is a fire on the top of the building with many floors in between.
"The seismic record from Columbia University’s observatory in Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a 2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to crumble these waves disappeared. The two ‘spikes’on the seismograph, which both occurred at the exact instants the collapses began, are twenty times the amplitude, or more than 100 times the force of the other waves. If the buildings had simply collapsed, the largest jolts would have occurred when the massive debris struck the earth, not at the beginnings of the collapses. Seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam of Columbia University stated, “Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.” In other words, the collapsing did not cause 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes. Furthermore, a ‘sharp spike of short duration’ is how underground nuclear explosions register on seismographs. Underground explosions, where the steel columns meet Manhattans granite would account for both the demolition-style implosions and these ‘spikes’ on the seismograph. Another seismologist at the Palisades observatory, Won Young Kim said the 1993 truck bomb did not even register on their seismographs because the explosion was ‘not coupled’ to the ground. Imagine the magnitude of explosions it would take to register the two earthquakes, when the truck bomb didn’t even show up."
What about the official story of WTC7. Official story is WTC7 fell because of fire. If you saw footage of it, you would see they never were touched. There was no fire and it went down just like WTC 1 and 2...as Silverstine said " they decided to pull it". Of course we all know (hopefully) that to pull a building takes a LONG time (more than day lol). So its a fact, that they planned that.
Now Silverstine made BILLIONS because 6 weeks earlier He had taken a huge insurance policy for terrorist attacks.
Lets also not forget about the bomb sniffing dogs that were taken out of the WTC on Sept 6.
But its not just Firemen (including Fire Chief of Safety NY on TV) who said there were bombs. There was Police and survivors.
Good clip of firefighters talking about the bombs. Here. I think that clip just goes through one ear and out the with some of you.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
I seen that video last night, there are more and more of these books and videos coming out its only a matter of time before everyone has seen it. This stuff is scary and I really don't want to belive that its true but the evidence these people present is shocking and makes me think.
1st off. I live in NY and saw the footage that exact same morning. I actually tought it was just a bad dream.
I am also a prior enlisted USMC that got his terminal leave 2 1/2 weeks prior to 9/11. I almost re-enlisted back then if not for my fiance at the time convincing me otherwise.
With that said. ANY media should be taken with a grain of salt at times. Most reporters will want to tell a story in their own view of the topic. Public media will want to show what will get them to be seen the most. Its all about the ratings.
It is a FACT that there WILL be askewed views and info that will NEVER be shown by the media unless you are:
was in the event as it happened.
shown different footage that actually happened.
I know for a fact that there has been some footage/news about my unit when I was in the USMC that was completely different from what happened.
This video just puts out another set of peoples views on what happened and included tgheir facts in it that they have accumulated. If you belive what the government has told you, then fine, thats your prerogative. If you belive this video, same thing. If you are torn in between, that is fine as well.
No matter what side you are on, the best way to support your side is to provide proof by doing your own research about your side and the opposing side. Only then can you truely say you know what is the truth or not.
For me, this is something I would like to do in my free time whenever that happens. There are MANY things out there that most average people just do not know and is best to not know.
In life there are 2 types of people, the Leaders and the Followers. I don't like being the sheep in the flock. While others are content in grazing the pastures.
On the other hand I would rather people know the truth than to be content with allowing the government free reign over us. The Government have their motives and have been pretty successful because people believe in the terrorists across the seas as opposed to in the government. As you can see our liberties eroding...for safety. So it's not ok that people are ignorant beause it's affecting my future and everyone elses. We are absolutely headed into a police state.
They fake a terrorist attack, and go to war. Then because we are in war, it gives the government a reason to impede on our liberties "to catch the terrorists". They get more control as a result.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Now I really am not surprised at who people vote for in this country for elections...really. People will vote for the most corrupted people in office and they thought they were the right guy. Common sense is a rare commodity these days.
Lets take a bigger look at this whole thing. There are a ton of conspiracy theorists out there. And I mean a ton. There are theorists for everything - some more realistic than others. But taking a look a this video - come on people. Use your brains.
Most of this information is doubtful. Accusing the government of setting up 9/11? Do you know what youre doing? Your accusing your own government of treason. Your not only accusing your President, your accusing hundreds to thousands of people of betraying their country and killing thousands. I know someone in real life- I will not say her name - whose father died in the WTC. I would not even think of supporting this theory. Most of this is too far out, too far fetched. Shooting a tomahawk missile into a building will do more damage than a Boeing 757?
I read all this stuff about the "explosions" that the fire fighters heard, and the cops and the civilians. This video took them straight literally. Anything at that point can hear like an explosion. ESPECIALLY in the heat of the moment, when your adrenaline is rushing....they were up there in the towers trying to save people, their adrenaline better be rushing. For example, say your taking a walk out at night and you hear something - you may "think" you hear a certain noise, but it can be something else. Just becuase they said they heard an "explosion" doesnt neceassrily mean there were bombs placed in precise spots.An "explosion" could be debree falling, things blasting out of windows. The little "mini explosions" in the video were indeed blowouts from the debree smoke coming from the building.
This video presents different events before and after 9/11 in a very rigid way giving the listener no other information, being totally biased. We also dont know if this information is accurate or even true, being taken out of context. We simply dont know enough information. The information here is twisted to the presenter's point of view and going "Oh wow this video is totally correct and our government killed thousands of our own people and destroyed one of the biggest centers of trade in the world!" is being just plain naieve and ignorant. You have to look at the bigger picture and you cant beielive everything people say.
If they wanted to give the America a reason to go to war, WHY would they kill thousands of innocent lives? Im sorry kiddies, but the government just aint that damn evil. Beilieve it or not, Bush and his cronies arent that dumb. If they planned this, they wouldnt have left all of these "clues" that this video has pointed out. They WOULD HAVE released a doctered video of the pentagon being hit. They also would NOT have chosen the WTC as a place to attack - it was one of the biggest economical centers of the world.
The people who created this video can be closely called Anarchists. If this information was even remotely true, it would already be out and about, not five years later. Beielive me, the media is definitly not covering anything up. They are very quick to bring the government down - look at Watergate. The media had enough information to take Nixon down. But this? This is just twisted.
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Originally posted by xPaladin Ok, well, seeing dogpile topics like this thread gets me pissed off. I'm a native new yorker who lived through 9/11 and support the actions of this country. Most of this paranoid crap is spewed by people who weren't even on site that day and just want to take a piss on the government. And because it's "cool" to be anti-whatever, people jump on crap like this.
Let's get one thing straight: when you support sh*t like this, you are effectively spitting on the corpses of everyone that died that day. You should be damn right ashamed of yourselves.
That said, let's talk counterargument:
That's Just Stupid - This video is a pragmatic approach to 9/11. Kinda biased, but very pragmatic. I like it because they make an excellent point in discussing how conspiracy theories are formulated. This is an effective set up for the next argument:
Remember kiddies, conspiracy whackos prey on the gullible and uninformed. The kind of "uninformed" that you believe everyone else to be.
Hopefully there's enough common sense in the PM article to shut some of you the hell up.
look, i lived in NY too during 9/11. I was at the Marriot hotel that was across the street from the WTC a day before it happened. I lost my aunt, my uncle, and a very close friend of my family that day. Believe me, i AM NOT spitting on their graves by saying that i think it was the government planning this.
I would like to know if you actually watched this entire video before making judgements about it.
The thing i'm most concerned about is what happened to the pentagon, and the fact that there was absolutely no wreckage from the 747 that supposively crashed into it. I noticed this that day while it was on the news. It seems to be the perfect thing to add to the WTC, that "even" the capitol was attacked by these terrorists. Whatever hit the Pentagon hit it in the only reinforced section of it. What the theorists were saying that it was probably a missile that hit the pentagon seems to be the only explanation for no wreckage being discovered, and for the huge hole in the wall. Also, the 5 frames that the government put out on video showed no plane crashing, it only showed an explosion. Now if they would attack their own capitol, why wouldnt they attack the trade centers? and expecially since it happend within a few hours of the other attack.
Why don't they just release their info on these attacks to prove their innosence? That is if they don't have anything to hide.
I think this was probably just to give the U.S. a valid reason to go to war, blame it on "terrorists"
AlexAmore, your mind has been completely poisoned with so much garbage it amazes me. Do you ever step back and look objectively at your own "facts?" Who has poisened your mind? a teacher? your parents? You are old enough now to start thinking on your own, form your own opinions and insight. I don't know how many times I find myself responding to your posts just because you cannot accept any conclusion other than the one you have regurgitated from someone else. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if you are Alex Jones or just one of his devout followers sent here to use another means of spreading propoganda.
To the OP, this is what, the 3rd or 4th time in as many months we have talked about this video? Not including the whole Charlie Sheen topic or the other conspiracies? Sadly the search function is fubar atm and I cannot find them to link...
Originally posted by daeandor AlexAmore, your mind has been completely poisoned with so much garbage it amazes me. Do you ever step back and look objectively at your own "facts?" Who has poisened your mind? a teacher? your parents? You are old enough now to start thinking on your own, form your own opinions and insight. I don't know how many times I find myself responding to your posts just because you cannot accept any conclusion other than the one you have regurgitated from someone else. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if you are Alex Jones or just one of his devout followers sent here to use another means of spreading propoganda. To the OP, this is what, the 3rd or 4th time in as many months we have talked about this video? Not including the whole Charlie Sheen topic or the other conspiracies? Sadly the search function is fubar atm and I cannot find them to link...
I don't really create these topics. I just respond because thats the point of a forum. I create my own opinions but of course I create them based off of information like everyone else in the world. Apparently you take whatever the government says or media says and render it true. I'm not positive where you stand because you're mostly attacking me so i'll just say your on the governments side.
You seem very sensitive to these topics. I wonder why. I don't see whats wrong the facts I present. They come from pretty good sources (police, firemen, seismographs, news articles, TV,...ect).Where do you get your facts? 9/11 Commission report?
Sometimes I wonder if you're Jeb Bush trying to discredit everything I say. I mean you have no "User Info" about yourself...so it does look a little wierd *Cues the Twilight Zone theme*
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by Steelarm011Beielive me, the media is definitly not covering anything up. They are very quick to bring the government down - look at Watergate. The media had enough information to take Nixon down. But this? This is just twisted.
Like I said, the presidents are NOT the true government. They are just selected spokesman for the real bosses who make plan for everything. They just want you to think the presidents have real power while they really are just puppets. Blame this president, blame that president, it is just the type of "democrazy" they want you to believe. Unfortunately, you aren't even anywhere close on touching the true bosses of the government.
Who knows what really happened during Watergate. For all we know, it could be Nixon acrossed the line and refused to do something that the bosses told him, so they fired him with a made up event - Watergate. He is lucky already, or he could end up being dead with a case which will never be truely solved like every other assassination of the unluckly dead presidents.
Like I said, the presidents are NOT the true government. They are just selected spokesman for the real bosses who make plan for everything. They just want you to think the presidents have real power while they really are just puppets. Blame this president, blame that president, it is just the type of "democrazy" they want you to believe. Unfortunately, you aren't even anywhere close on touching the true bosses of the government.
true, all leaders in history have been scapegoats. Whenever anything bad happens, no matter what the cause, the leaders are blamed.
I say government a lot in place of Bush and stuff like that. I understand Bush isn't the head honcho but out of habit it's just easier to say "Bush". The really powerful people are in Bush's administration and just as powerful Federal Reserve. Then you have the NSA/CIA/FBI/FDA that are agencies that break constitutional law for a living.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
true, all leaders in history have been scapegoats. Whenever anything bad happens, no matter what the cause, the leaders are blamed.
Well they should get their share of blaming. But the key point is that it's just that the presidents aren't even the sources for those things went wrong. They are just obeying the real bosses who always run the government.
I own a different slave every 4 years, but he was called the president. And I sent the current one to kill someone. He got caught and being punished, but nobody is even aware of my existance I just get a new one for the next 4 years. Oh wait, my selection of slave is from voting by the neighbours. Every time I have a bunch of already selected ones line up, let people choose. They think they actually have an impact on who will be selected. Every of them is already selected, doesn't matter which one they choose, every one of them will obey me. If by any chance one of them acrossed the line and stopped listening to me, I'll make up Watergate and fire him, or maybe hire an assassin to get ride of him then get ride of the assassin. Now I have a big plan that need 100 years working to make it come true. That will require 25 "presidents" do their job and complete each stage of the plan. Oh it doesn't matter if I can't live to that day, my offspring will take over my position.
Its a fact that both Bush and Kerry are Skull and bones members and they are both cousins; in others words they are both related. Whats that mean to American voters? They had no choice.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
....first off, that has just about nothing to do with what we are talking about.
second of all, that just showed a bunch of pictures of not so odd coincedences that were trying to prove conspiracy in the government. It made no sense, and whoever made it was more than likely a fanatic religious idiot.
....first off, that has just about nothing to do with what we are talking about.
second of all, that just showed a bunch of pictures of not so odd coincedences that were trying to prove conspiracy in the government. It made no sense, and whoever made it was more than likely a fanatic religious idiot.
For once I agree with you, Notice how he hits on the Upside-Down cross, this proves his ignorance. The upside-down cross is NOT satanic, it is actually the symbol of a saint, John I think. Some dofus's twisted it. The Swastika is also a no-brainer, it was a universal symbol of peace before Hitler decided to corrupt THAT.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
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So now they needed, explosives, missiles AND internal charges to take the building down, christ, next thing you know they will cut the list down, and ill be told "the planes didnt actually crash into the tower"
I dont need a video by some guy who has no idea what hes talking about, giving me some half baked ideas, based on unverified information and sources to tell me what to think. Everyone can agree the twin tower attacks were the premise to the war on afghanistan, which is pretty much worth nothing to the USA. The war on Iraq was launched on a different note (WMD) and they went ahead with that despite not having any official information.
The simple fact is, if the USA wanted to declare war on afghanistan, it didnt need an extra excuse to do so, considering Osama has been on their most wanted list for over 10 years, and they knew there was a threat from Al'Q.
The US did not have enough reason to attack the country of afghanistan just because they might have 1 "terrorist" hide somewhere. 9/11 made it "legal" to attack and occupy that country.
btw, There is a real reason behind why Afghanistan has to be occupied and have military bases being built there. I have information from some Pakistan people. Just wait and see(it might take some years), those military bases will have their uses when the US war with a big country(not Pakistan) in the east who is right beside Afghanistan. As the matter of fact, there were already reports of some captured "terrorists" of that country are using equipments supported by the US.
If my memory serves, there were large footage of media propagate about how Iraq was connected to the "terrorists", and their WMD will be passed to the terrorists to against the US. Which is the original excuse why the US attacked the Iraq. When both were proved wrong, the government changed the reason to be "operation Iraqi freedom"...what a joke.
but obivously, the majority people are always hardcore believers of the government, will always completely take in whatever information the government throw at them. They could argue those information were from the media, not the government...while don't realize the media were simply put out the information the government throws at them.
Take over Iraq and set up a puppet government was the plan since many years ago. During Clinton time, the US military was bombing Iraqi air defense almost every day. It was for preparing. Just need a big excuse for the final blow when Iraqi was completely defenseless.
Everything was a plan. Everything is a part of a big plan, that had been made years ago. Every president will work hard to make this long term plan work. And yes, whoever said Bush is a puppet, I completely agree. Every president of the US is. They have no real power. It's not like they were really voted out by the people anyway. You have to vote for the a few limited choices they gave to you in the first place, anyone else you vote for...it's not like you'll make a difference. As for who are the real bosses of this country? Only limited people realize that. And it's not like it will be changed as long as the system stays. Oh and don't expect any change before WWIII.
I don't 100% support either sides, but there is no harm in learning things from different perspectives. Some people try to stomp on this video like they are putting out a fire, last I checked freedom of speech still exists.
This reminds me of the O.J. Simpson "conspiracy." Basically, they found that had O.J. NOT commit the murder, it would have taken a team of at least 30 people to have set him up.
I'm not going to rehash every specific piece of evidence about 9/11. The fact is, though, is that you cannot take things as they are. Realize that most of the stuff that these conspiracy "theorists" talk about is complete bull shit. However, you also have to have the open-mindedness to see that a lot of things do raise some red flags on specific points. Don't stand by your government just because some (in actuallity, most) evidence of a conspiracy is bogus. But don't denounce everything the government tells you just because there are a few minor indeterminacies. Be rational.
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"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
Why arnt there more people like you? ViolentY pretty much spoke my views. Some Conspiracies do have plenty of merit, just look at the JFK Conspiracy.
The Bomb thing is admittingly far-fetched, a Commercial Airliner weighing at so many tons and travelling at 600-700mph and suddenly hitting a 100+ story building will do about as much damage as a Tomahawk Cruise Missle, if any bombs went off they would have to have been in the basement levels to obtain full effect.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
If they put bombs in the basement, it would look too obivous since the building will have explosions in the basement first before the collapse.
Thus if they wanted to make it look like a "natural" falling, the bombs must be planted all over the different floors to make the buildings look like falling from the top.
As for the people who still believe it was the gas tanks blew up, how could they blew up when the fire was far above many floors? Unless you really believe gas tanks all over the places will go off as long as there is a fire on the top of the building with many floors in between.
Okay lets talk about the seismographs that day.
"The seismic record from Columbia University’s observatory in Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a 2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to crumble these waves disappeared. The two ‘spikes’on the seismograph, which both occurred at the exact instants the collapses began, are twenty times the amplitude, or more than 100 times the force of the other waves. If the buildings had simply collapsed, the largest jolts would have occurred when the massive debris struck the earth, not at the beginnings of the collapses. Seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam of Columbia University stated, “Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.” In other words, the collapsing did not cause 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes. Furthermore, a ‘sharp spike of short duration’ is how underground nuclear explosions register on seismographs. Underground explosions, where the steel columns meet Manhattans granite would account for both the demolition-style implosions and these ‘spikes’ on the seismograph. Another seismologist at the Palisades observatory, Won Young Kim said the 1993 truck bomb did not even register on their seismographs because the explosion was ‘not coupled’ to the ground. Imagine the magnitude of explosions it would take to register the two earthquakes, when the truck bomb didn’t even show up."
What about the official story of WTC7. Official story is WTC7 fell because of fire. If you saw footage of it, you would see they never were touched. There was no fire and it went down just like WTC 1 and 2...as Silverstine said " they decided to pull it". Of course we all know (hopefully) that to pull a building takes a LONG time (more than day lol). So its a fact, that they planned that.
Now Silverstine made BILLIONS because 6 weeks earlier He had taken a huge insurance policy for terrorist attacks.
Lets also not forget about the bomb sniffing dogs that were taken out of the WTC on Sept 6.
But its not just Firemen (including Fire Chief of Safety NY on TV) who said there were bombs. There was Police and survivors.
Good clip of firefighters talking about the bombs. Here. I think that clip just goes through one ear and out the with some of you.
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-cheer leading, flag waving American
1st off.
I live in NY and saw the footage that exact same morning.
I actually tought it was just a bad dream.
I am also a prior enlisted USMC that got his terminal leave 2 1/2 weeks prior to 9/11.
I almost re-enlisted back then if not for my fiance at the time convincing me otherwise.
With that said.
ANY media should be taken with a grain of salt at times.
Most reporters will want to tell a story in their own view of the topic.
Public media will want to show what will get them to be seen the most.
Its all about the ratings.
It is a FACT that there WILL be askewed views and info that will NEVER be shown by the media unless you are:
- was in the event as it happened.
- shown different footage that actually happened.
I know for a fact that there has been some footage/news about my unit when I was in the USMC that was completely different from what happened.This video just puts out another set of peoples views on what happened and included tgheir facts in it that they have accumulated.
If you belive what the government has told you, then fine, thats your prerogative.
If you belive this video, same thing.
If you are torn in between, that is fine as well.
No matter what side you are on, the best way to support your side is to provide proof by doing your own research about your side and the opposing side.
Only then can you truely say you know what is the truth or not.
For me, this is something I would like to do in my free time whenever that happens.
There are MANY things out there that most average people just do not know and is best to not know.
In life there are 2 types of people, the Leaders and the Followers.
I don't like being the sheep in the flock.
While others are content in grazing the pastures.
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On the other hand I would rather people know the truth than to be content with allowing the government free reign over us. The Government have their motives and have been pretty successful because people believe in the terrorists across the seas as opposed to in the government. As you can see our liberties eroding...for safety. So it's not ok that people are ignorant beause it's affecting my future and everyone elses. We are absolutely headed into a police state.
They fake a terrorist attack, and go to war. Then because we are in war, it gives the government a reason to impede on our liberties "to catch the terrorists". They get more control as a result.
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Now I really am not surprised at who people vote for in this country for elections...really. People will vote for the most corrupted people in office and they thought they were the right guy. Common sense is a rare commodity these days.
Lets take a bigger look at this whole thing. There are a ton of conspiracy theorists out there. And I mean a ton. There are theorists for everything - some more realistic than others. But taking a look a this video - come on people. Use your brains.
Most of this information is doubtful. Accusing the government of setting up 9/11? Do you know what youre doing? Your accusing your own government of treason. Your not only accusing your President, your accusing hundreds to thousands of people of betraying their country and killing thousands. I know someone in real life- I will not say her name - whose father died in the WTC. I would not even think of supporting this theory. Most of this is too far out, too far fetched. Shooting a tomahawk missile into a building will do more damage than a Boeing 757?
I read all this stuff about the "explosions" that the fire fighters heard, and the cops and the civilians. This video took them straight literally. Anything at that point can hear like an explosion. ESPECIALLY in the heat of the moment, when your adrenaline is rushing....they were up there in the towers trying to save people, their adrenaline better be rushing. For example, say your taking a walk out at night and you hear something - you may "think" you hear a certain noise, but it can be something else. Just becuase they said they heard an "explosion" doesnt neceassrily mean there were bombs placed in precise spots.An "explosion" could be debree falling, things blasting out of windows. The little "mini explosions" in the video were indeed blowouts from the debree smoke coming from the building.
This video presents different events before and after 9/11 in a very rigid way giving the listener no other information, being totally biased. We also dont know if this information is accurate or even true, being taken out of context. We simply dont know enough information. The information here is twisted to the presenter's point of view and going "Oh wow this video is totally correct and our government killed thousands of our own people and destroyed one of the biggest centers of trade in the world!" is being just plain naieve and ignorant. You have to look at the bigger picture and you cant beielive everything people say.
If they wanted to give the America a reason to go to war, WHY would they kill thousands of innocent lives? Im sorry kiddies, but the government just aint that damn evil. Beilieve it or not, Bush and his cronies arent that dumb. If they planned this, they wouldnt have left all of these "clues" that this video has pointed out. They WOULD HAVE released a doctered video of the pentagon being hit. They also would NOT have chosen the WTC as a place to attack - it was one of the biggest economical centers of the world.
The people who created this video can be closely called Anarchists. If this information was even remotely true, it would already be out and about, not five years later. Beielive me, the media is definitly not covering anything up. They are very quick to bring the government down - look at Watergate. The media had enough information to take Nixon down. But this? This is just twisted.
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I would like to know if you actually watched this entire video before making judgements about it.
The thing i'm most concerned about is what happened to the pentagon, and the fact that there was absolutely no wreckage from the 747 that supposively crashed into it. I noticed this that day while it was on the news. It seems to be the perfect thing to add to the WTC, that "even" the capitol was attacked by these terrorists. Whatever hit the Pentagon hit it in the only reinforced section of it. What the theorists were saying that it was probably a missile that hit the pentagon seems to be the only explanation for no wreckage being discovered, and for the huge hole in the wall. Also, the 5 frames that the government put out on video showed no plane crashing, it only showed an explosion. Now if they would attack their own capitol, why wouldnt they attack the trade centers? and expecially since it happend within a few hours of the other attack.
Why don't they just release their info on these attacks to prove their innosence? That is if they don't have anything to hide.
I think this was probably just to give the U.S. a valid reason to go to war, blame it on "terrorists"
AlexAmore, your mind has been completely poisoned with so much garbage it amazes me. Do you ever step back and look objectively at your own "facts?" Who has poisened your mind? a teacher? your parents? You are old enough now to start thinking on your own, form your own opinions and insight. I don't know how many times I find myself responding to your posts just because you cannot accept any conclusion other than the one you have regurgitated from someone else. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if you are Alex Jones or just one of his devout followers sent here to use another means of spreading propoganda.
To the OP, this is what, the 3rd or 4th time in as many months we have talked about this video? Not including the whole Charlie Sheen topic or the other conspiracies? Sadly the search function is fubar atm and I cannot find them to link...
I don't really create these topics. I just respond because thats the point of a forum. I create my own opinions but of course I create them based off of information like everyone else in the world. Apparently you take whatever the government says or media says and render it true. I'm not positive where you stand because you're mostly attacking me so i'll just say your on the governments side.
You seem very sensitive to these topics. I wonder why. I don't see whats wrong the facts I present. They come from pretty good sources (police, firemen, seismographs, news articles, TV,...ect).Where do you get your facts? 9/11 Commission report?
Sometimes I wonder if you're Jeb Bush trying to discredit everything I say. I mean you have no "User Info" about yourself...so it does look a little wierd *Cues the Twilight Zone theme*
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Like I said, the presidents are NOT the true government. They are just selected spokesman for the real bosses who make plan for everything. They just want you to think the presidents have real power while they really are just puppets. Blame this president, blame that president, it is just the type of "democrazy" they want you to believe. Unfortunately, you aren't even anywhere close on touching the true bosses of the government.
Who knows what really happened during Watergate. For all we know, it could be Nixon acrossed the line and refused to do something that the bosses told him, so they fired him with a made up event - Watergate. He is lucky already, or he could end up being dead with a case which will never be truely solved like every other assassination of the unluckly dead presidents.
I say government a lot in place of Bush and stuff like that. I understand Bush isn't the head honcho but out of habit it's just easier to say "Bush". The really powerful people are in Bush's administration and just as powerful Federal Reserve. Then you have the NSA/CIA/FBI/FDA that are agencies that break constitutional law for a living.
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Well they should get their share of blaming. But the key point is that it's just that the presidents aren't even the sources for those things went wrong. They are just obeying the real bosses who always run the government.
I own a different slave every 4 years, but he was called the president. And I sent the current one to kill someone. He got caught and being punished, but nobody is even aware of my existance
I just get a new one for the next 4 years. Oh wait, my selection of slave is from voting by the neighbours. Every time I have a bunch of already selected ones line up, let people choose. They think they actually have an impact on who will be selected. 
Every of them is already selected, doesn't matter which one they choose, every one of them will obey me. 
If by any chance one of them acrossed the line and stopped listening to me, I'll make up Watergate and fire him, or maybe hire an assassin to get ride of him then get ride of the assassin. 
Now I have a big plan that need 100 years working to make it come true. That will require 25 "presidents" do their job and complete each stage of the plan. Oh it doesn't matter if I can't live to that day, my offspring will take over my position.
But yeh... dumbass US auths probably set it up.
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Its a fact that both Bush and Kerry are Skull and bones members and they are both cousins; in others words they are both related. Whats that mean to American voters? They had no choice.
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ok then check this out, everyone...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8768114400602619096&q=conspiracy+9%2F11
second of all, that just showed a bunch of pictures of not so odd coincedences that were trying to prove conspiracy in the government. It made no sense, and whoever made it was more than likely a fanatic religious idiot.
i posted this like 2 months ago and got like 6 replies!
and this guy gets like 50!!! WTF! UNFAIRNESS!!!
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....first off, that has just about nothing to do with what we are talking about.
second of all, that just showed a bunch of pictures of not so odd coincedences that were trying to prove conspiracy in the government. It made no sense, and whoever made it was more than likely a fanatic religious idiot.
For once I agree with you, Notice how he hits on the Upside-Down cross, this proves his ignorance. The upside-down cross is NOT satanic, it is actually the symbol of a saint, John I think. Some dofus's twisted it. The Swastika is also a no-brainer, it was a universal symbol of peace before Hitler decided to corrupt THAT.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.