If I understand correctly, they are showing a 1+ year old build as a preview, though telling us that the most recent built, which may move them into Beta, is a lot better and different. If I am missing something, then this post can be disregarded. lol The server was down at the time he called as aventurine said but they still invited him over for to give him a preview of the game.
Here are the kinds of questions this conjures:
----->why would you show off a very outdated version of the game.
----->If the game was good enough one year about to be shown off now, why didn't you show it off then?
----->Have you really made so little progress between then and now that you cannot show a more recent build?
...I cannot understand this kind of PR move...as it generates more questions and infers a few things, and none of them are too good.
I loved UO, so I am really looking forward to this game. But, If it seucks...I will call it crap, shake my head at yet another bogus MMORPG and move on with me life. If it rocks, they get my money. Until a game is actually out and playable, I seldom believe anything a dev house says about it. Proof is always in teh pudding.
How about this then? Instead of whining about how a company is trying to do things differently instead of spamming us with advertisements maybe you could go and play Age of Conan and Warhammer while we go and play Darkfall?... Oh wait.... They've both been postponed to have improvements made on there game.... hmmm....
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I think the excuse’s being made for the lack of substance in Asp’s preview of the game play and features he experienced in the demo like a lack of developers time or that he was on a business trip or that he did not have enough time or did not prepare etc just don’t add up if you read the information presented in the preview. This was a pre-arranged visit and he arrived in Athens the night before the day of the scheduled visit, he says that If they failed to confirm the meeting he would spend the day sight seeing not doing anything business related so he had a full day available for this, any time restraints on the visit where entirely on the part of the developers. Nothing in that whole review says that this was pre-arranged. It looks more like a spur of the moment because if it wasn't than he wouldn't be worried about them having a problem with him coming. So the first day he got there and was probably tired. Second Day he called found out he could go and went till about noon. He said he was on a business trip and i suppose he had to about noon to do whatever he wanted till his business appointment. So unless he woke up at 1:00 a.m he really didnt have much time at all. The fact that Tasos gave him travel directions for the underground when he rang him in the morning and then personally met him to drive him to there office shows that he arrived in the morning and that he was not late or only had a short period of time available. I don't understand what you mean by he arrived in the morning because if your talking about the guy probably not. If you ever traveled for a long time you realize that once you get out of the vehicle your tired. After reading threw the preview a few times I cant help myself becoming increasingly disappointed, a quick read without much scrutinizing does reflect very positively on the game and the developers but if you really look objectively and not emotionally I don’t think this is saying anything we have not heard many times before over the years. I still think the majority of this preview is talk with no substance, look at each paragraph at least 50% probably more is not about the demo he played or even directly dark fall related, its just talking but nothing demonstrated This is not news. We have spent years listening to talk but not received anything much of substance this was a great opportunity to finally show all the doubters wrong how amazing this game is. You can't show the doubters how amazing the game is unless they play the game. Plain and simple. This was to show that there IS a game. What we got was just a brief subjective and emotional description about a limited tech demo that we have already seen shown on the videos released but with no specific information. I don’t see why the developers did not show him all the cool things we all want to see like building city’s and sieging them , a demonstration of the racial war features, the different prestige classes , how the dynamic spawns work, traveling around the world to different racial areas, doing some quests, showing the hundreds of skills in the game or crafting etc. Once again this was a spur of the moment and he had a relatively short time frame so to show him EVERYTHING just really isnt possible. He even says “that was the end of the demo, it went so fast”, I find that very disappointing and frustrating that they only showed him the basics that we have seen before if they have all these other major features implemented. Or it could have been asp wanted to check out what HE was interested in. I mean i would do the things i would have enjoyed. And this poses the further question if they could of shown this but did not, why?. Look right above. If they did not have enough time why did they spend so long with the Q and A and the tour and the talking about things not dark fall related and then finally taking him to lunch after the end of the demo? This was not a planned DF PR event or even a PR event at all. This was asp spending time with the devs doing what he wanted to do.
"why did they not show him the previous beta version instead of the one year old tech demo?" good question... where is the older beta version if they had a beta already for 1 full year? What if that was the tech demo? Much like if someone is named Terri Elizabeth White. You could call her Terri, Elizabeth, or Mrs.White but they all refer to the same thing. Could it be that is all they had to show and they simply called it a 1 y/o tech demo instead of their current build? As was already stated their servers were down but they showed him what they could. "Sure it is positive coverage but its more than that. This game has been dogged by vaporware trolls and this review was a chance to help disprove." Well guess what - it's still going to be dogged by vaporware trolls. Let me remind people that this is NOT the first time that they've been visited by a fan before. Getting visited by someone and being shown a 1 year old tech demo is not going to remove any vaporware critics. In fact , this little visit probably just made the critics even stronger. We don't know how much is in that tech demo perhaps it was on par with beta just a few less features. We just don't know. Also if it does make the critics stronger where are they? They've seem to be a dying race now if you haven't been paying attention. The only thing that will save this project is an advanced playable beta with 80% of its features in place and running. And pretty damn soon. Show me your logic behind this statement because I don't see how this game is going to sink if it does take more time. Do you know what this guy would have seen if he visited Funcom or Mythic Studios? He would of been playing the current Beta's of both those games. Not been shown a 1 year old tech demo. And what would they have been able to play if their servers were down? Nothing?
I agree with you that it is superficially reassuring to get a 3rd party to confirm that there is a team of developers working on this game in an actual office but it was still only his immediate impressions and was not a detailed description of the developers and there names and roles etc.
Asp is not a 13 year old he's an older gamer and a business man, he went there seen the offices and seen approximately 30 people working on the game; wether he met every single person, took down their names and got to interview them that in particular has nothing to do with his credibility. He did not go to Athens as a journalist, and I am pretty sure that even if a real newsman went there and wrote an article after the fact he would still omit the names of the 30 people and their jobs... his interview would be based around the game.
The problem I have is like most of the preview it was fluff and information already released he really did not mention any specific details or any information on the major features of the game but only his emotional response.
The actual reasons as mentioned in the preview why the developers said they could not show him the latest beta version was “stability problems”, but why did they not show him the previous beta version instead of the one year old tech demo?
You are a Troll. He played the older beta build with several other developers, there were other people logged in with him that were showing him the ropes.
He did not get to play the new build they were working on because guess what, there were 30 people working on the new build. He mentioned he had seen people working on buildings, character models, coding etc.
I don’t think I was suggesting that dark fall was vapor ware that was not my intention, what I was saying is that I did not find this preview satisfactory and I do not think it is an objective or professional preview, the fact that he does not mention even one negative remark is extraordinary and highly suspicious in my opinion.
The reason you did not find his preview satisfactory because you are a Troll, you did not read it and the reason I know that is because of your blatant bias towards LOD and Asp. If you did read it you would realize that the guy that actually went to Athens was not a prepubescent 10 year old like you, see Asp does not have to ask your permission for what question to ask and he certainly does not owe anyhting to you or any one else.
Also consider that the majority of the preview is highly emotive and full of his impressions or interpretations but not any solid facts or figures, and the fact that it was not a preview of an “older version” of dark fall but a technology demonstration that is one year old not a beta version.
What you care about facts? Really? Because from what I am reading it seems to me like you're just here to bait and fling nonelogical arguments at people.
Fact is Asp from LOD went to Athens, seen a full floor of office space occupied by approx 30 people who were working on Darkfall. He seen them code, work on models, cities etc., he also got to play an older beta build with the devs, yes reguardless what you think and or propose he did play and older build and he mentioned that for a 1 YEAR OLD BUILD THE GAME ROCKED.
Asp is not a 13 year old he's an older gamer and a business man, he went there seen the offices and seen approximately 30 people working on the game; wether he met every single person, took down their names and got to interview them that in particular has nothing to do with his credibility. He did not go to Athens as a journalist, and I am pretty sure that even if a real newsman went there and wrote an article after the fact he would still omit the names of the 30 people and their jobs... his interview would be based around the game.
I never said Asp was 13 years old, you saying he’s an older gamer and a business man does still does not effect my criticisms of the content of his preview.
I was never suggesting he should write down every developers name and job title and description that would be ridiculous, I was commenting on the fact that his impressions of the office and staff was very brief and vague but contained no definitive facts or information which I did not find totally re-assuring personally.
Asp said “We got there and their office was not one room but looked like occupied an entire floor of the building. I could see at least a couple of dozen of programmers doing different things. Just briefly passing by the dev area I could catch a glimpse of people coding, working on landscape design, someone was working on medieval buildings for what looked like a human style city. This shop was all about business and the people impressively professional.”
You are a Troll. He played the older beta build with several other developers, there were other people logged in with him that were showing him the ropes.
He did not get to play the new build they were working on because guess what, there were 30 people working on the new build. He mentioned he had seen people working on buildings, character models, coding etc.
Name calling does not stop me or others asking questions or speculating about the most important part of the preview, what the reasons are for him playing a one year old version of the game. Asp said the reason why he did not get to play the current build was “Since the most current release wasn’t stable they set me up with a stable version from last year.” This poses obvious questions like why have they not got a previous more recent stable beta version to show instead of the one year old tech demo, or if they have why did not show it or why did they just not show him the current un-stable beta version so he could preview something showing what they have achieved currently and not something one year old we have already seen on the videos they released. The reason you did not find his preview satisfactory because you are a Troll, you did not read it and the reason I know that is because of your blatant bias towards LOD and Asp. If you did read it you would realize that the guy that actually went to Athens was not a prepubescent 10 year old like you, see Asp does not have to ask your permission for what question to ask and he certainly does not owe anyhting to you or any one else. Take a deep breath and relax before posting, insults and name calling does not remove the fact that I have never heard of Asp or LOD before this preview like many people I presume, so how could I form any sort of bias about something and someone I was not aware of? The reason I and others did not find the preview satisfactory have been explained, if you choose to dismiss these by calling people names that’s your prerogative. I disagree, I would say the preview would have been considerably better is Asp had asked the community what questions to ask, and I think the preview would have been better if he had felt a sense of responsibility to provide new information and reflect an objective and more capable impression to all us faithful followers. What you care about facts? Really? Because from what I am reading it seems to me like you're just here to bait and fling nonelogical arguments at people. Fact is Asp from LOD went to Athens, seen a full floor of office space occupied by approx 30 people who were working on Darkfall. He seen them code, work on models, cities etc., he also got to play an older beta build with the devs, yes reguardless what you think and or propose he did play and older build and he mentioned that for a 1 YEAR OLD BUILD THE GAME ROCKED. All the facts or opinions I have stated are based exclusively on what is presented in Asp’s preview, if you feel I am only here to “bait” and “fling none logical arguments at people” then ignore my posts and do not respond to them. I never disputed the fact that Asp from LOD went to Athens, or that he saw the office with the staff working or that he got to play a one year old demo.
you guys ar ebeing to darn picky they probly did showe him that stuff but he probly couldnt talk about it there is such thing called a NDA
The reason why some of us are being so “picky” is we have been following this game for years with relatively very little shown by the developers and when we get the chance to finally read a preview by a 3rd party we find he only got a brief demonstration of a one year old version.
The question I would ask is why did the developers enforce an NDA on someone writing a preview?
What was the point if he was prevented from disclosing any new information and restricted to only repeating stuff already on the FAQ or previous QA’s and the videos of the one year old build allready released.
If he was under an NDA then why did he not mention it during the preview which would be the responsible thing to do, this is a possible explanation for the reason for only the basic game play elements to be covered and non of the major features during his actual play experience, but again I ask what was the reason for showing him the major features but then not allowing him to preview them?
Hey Questionable - show me where you have ever said one negative thing about this project even when it was 100% warranted to say and then maybe people will consider your words to be unbiased and have some meaning...
otherwise just bequiet because you add nothing but biased hogwash at best everytime you open your mouth.
I would say something positive about this project , unfortunately there really isn't anything positive to say anymore at this point until there's actually a Beta to play or they release some real material to look at.
If they want people to start saying some positive things (beyond the delusional chanting of their cult followers) then they really need to start releasing material of actual substance for a change.
At this point all things point to them not having much of anything to show and that isn't anyones fault but their own.
And like someone else mentioned in this thread - if what they showed the guy was so great like he says - then why do they still not have a Publisher??? Age of Conan already had a Publisher in Alpha stage.
This is a haunting fact that says alot about what they probably really have behind closed doors.
lol pretty a hunted fact you dont know why they dont have a publisher XD
ITS TO MUCH OF A RISK
ALSO NO PUBLISHER WILL GIVE T?HEM F/ULL CONTROL OF THE GAME SO STFU did this get throw your thick head or you just goign to be baise about it and ignore it like you always do
btw there not even looking for a publishers anymore they eitehr found 1 or are self publishing if they have the money then self publishing is fine
i think there pr is bad see i said something is negative
but its like your life goal to say crap about a game you dont even care about
i garrentee you its beta thsi year so just relax and just leave us alone if all you want to do is just say your opinions NOT FACTS its very annoying to even read the thigns your write cause you dont have a CLUE
That lame excuse as to why they don't have a Publisher isn't going to work anymore. Think of another one.
Any Publisher looking for new Games to publish would publish a game like Darkfall in a heart beat if it was a quality product.
That's what Publishers DO. They publish games to make money. BUT they have to be of a certain quality. Gameplay style doesn't matter much. It's all about how good the actual game itself is built.
Do you really expect anyone to believe that a Publisher wouldn't publish a game like Darkfall that supposadely (on paper) looks like it has just as many features as World of Warcraft does?
Or maybe the problem is......... It doesn't.....and isn't high enough quality.
And if they did stop looking for a publisher then that just reinforces the fact they couldn't find one with what the had show.
YOU dont know that for a fact See you calling people liers again dude yoru wastign your time just goaway already lol we will find out if its quality or not
i guess i will just have tot elly ous omething i know but youll probly call me a lier
i talked to someone the other day another dev for another game that got to preview the gam e from here in the united states he siad there was like 90 other people and he really enjoyed it but the movermeant was alil stiff yet but he said there goign tow ork on that after the features are in and beta is very likly this year the game is real and I dont know why you even care so much about ssaying crap and pointing out stupid faults that most people dont even care about
no its really true they cant with hold beta any more that build asp preview was the build they said was readyf or beta it was probly the most stable i dotn even know whatt he quality of the game is we have to just wait i have been told by nurmors other devs beta will probly be thsi year for it there just afirad to annunce the beta date atm just incase something meeses up and they have to delay a few weeks or something they dont want another 2005 to happen
also thats 1 reason its tooken so long is so they can make it a quality game in 2005 they decided it wasnt up to snuff and bassicly just kept working on it the more time is actully better dont want another vanguard and a dnl
no its really true they cant with hold beta any more that build asp preview was the build they said was readyf or beta it was probly the most stable i dotn even know whatt he quality of the game is we have to just wait i have been told by nurmors other devs beta will probly be thsi year for it there just afirad to annunce the beta date atm just incase something meeses up and they have to delay a few weeks or something they dont want another 2005 to happen
You are claiming to be in contact with DF developer's who have revealed to you their secret beta plans and fears? I call shenanigans.
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not them devs i meant 1 dev from a diffrent company* tho but its not that big of deal youc an guess its moos tlikly beta this year by reading the dev journal if its true i guess we will have to find out
Xion187 do you have any links to press releases, developer updates, news items or any form of objective evidence at all to back up your grandiose claims, extravagant explanations and anecdotal story’s ?, or are they just your hopes and dreams or faith based prophecy ?
I think it’s a very sad state of affairs and a sign of how poorly the developers of dark fall handle there public relations when people who want to be positive about this game have to resort to this kind of totally irrational and fantastical wishful thinking.
Of course id be very happy if you could prove me wrong and provide some evidence for these absolute whoppers you’ve been telling:-
"Also they have stated its almost feature complete"
"im looking at beta this year and release in 2008"
"i got there planend release date and im pretty positve about the beta"
"plus i found out about other devs getting to play it from other companys that exact same beta build : ) from here in the us but thats all i can say >< over the internet
or its was the new build that was being stablized : ) i didnt ask"
"tell you the truth it was the beta version from last year that they said was ready for beta but since its a year old its called a demo : )"
"OMG IT WAS THE OLD BETA BuILD since its old its a demo thats why they said the new beta build is much better"
"they probly did showe him that stuff but he probly couldnt talk about it there is such thing called a NDA"
"btw there not even looking for a publishers anymore they eitehr found 1 or are self publishing if they have the money then self publishing is fine"
"i garrentee you its beta thsi year"
"i guess i will just have tot elly ous omething i know but youll probly call me a lier
i talked to someone the other day another dev for another game that got to preview the gam e from here in the united states he siad there was like 90 other people and he really enjoyed it but the movermeant was alil stiff yet but he said there goign tow ork on that after the features are in and beta is very likly this year the game is real and I dont know why you even care so much about ssaying crap and pointing out stupid faults that most people dont even care about"
"no its really true they cant with hold beta any more that build asp preview was the build they said was readyf or beta it was probly the most stable i dotn even know whatt he quality of the game is we have to just wait i have been told by nurmors other devs beta will probly be thsi year for it there just afirad to annunce the beta date atm just incase something meeses up and they have to delay a few weeks or something they dont want another 2005 to happen"
not them devs i meant 1 dev from a diffrent company* tho but its not that big of deal youc an guess its moos tlikly beta this year by reading the dev journal if its true i guess we will have to find out
Give me a break. You haven't the foggiest idea as to when beta is going to be released.
According to your logic (which is evidently garnered by the "infallible" dev updates), mention of beta in a newsletter/forum is proof of its imminence. Sure it is. By that reasoning, beta would have been pushed out in 2003, right around the time the devs "assured" its release.
I've read the bulk of your posts. Most of them are completely unfounded. You defend this game tooth and nail and you really have no idea as to what is going on behind the scenes.
Apparently you haven't been following this game since its announcement in 2001. Judging by the track record, some skepticism is merited, and blindly throwing out fallacious statements doesn't do any good.
If you like the game, fantastic. I like the idea myself, but until there is some tangible evidence (beta) I'm going to remain a pessimist (based on past letdowns).
dude im guessing id otn even know if that 1 guy is telling the truth persoanlly we will all find out wont we according to df.warcry.com the dev has stated they want to start beta byt he end of 2007 SO STFU all ready and they want to release in 2008
I DONT KNOW ITS ALL SPECULATION THEY HAVE BAD PR A DEV DOING PR IS BAD STFU ALREADY
btw Today (Friday) we have a new Darkfall version up, which is almost feature complete. The features not enabled in this version yet are enchantment
you cant prove there lieing or tellign the truth SO lets hope to god there not lieing
what let downs they have had 1 that was in 2005 OMG AOC has postponed release quite a few times already in 2003 was the merge cant help that 1 with the redoing of graphics and engine the rest where all internal dates none where announce as official
Aventurine SA hopes to begin external testing by the end of 2007. At this time, they have not released launch, pricing or publishing details.
then put 2 and 2 together If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met. found in dev journal 15
and then in asp fullr eview the devs told him that they want to release in 2008 also they want the current build to be stable at the end of october and i bet you that the beta build we are going to be using asp gave a lil hint toward that 1
yes ive known about it since 2001 no ihavent been watching just actulyl started watching it couple months back cause i knew if theyw as goign to keep there promises it awas goign to take longer anyways to get it out
Hey Questionable - show me where you have ever said one negative thing about this project even when it was 100% warranted to say and then maybe people will consider your words to be unbiased and have some meaning... otherwise just bequiet because you add nothing but biased hogwash at best everytime you open your mouth. I've stated that their PR isnt that great but it seems to me that your the biased one because everything you say has a negative spin on it. I would say something positive about this project , unfortunately there really isn't anything positive to say anymore at this point until there's actually a Beta to play or they release some real material to look at. If you believe that than there really is very little reason for you to be here and to just wait till it does come out. If they want people to start saying some positive things (beyond the delusional chanting of their cult followers) then they really need to start releasing material of actual substance for a change. Positive things have been said not only from him but investors as well. At this point all things point to them not having much of anything to show and that isn't anyones fault but their own. And like someone else mentioned in this thread - if what they showed the guy was so great like he says - then why do they still not have a Publisher??? Age of Conan already had a Publisher in Alpha stage. Like so much you fail to see that no matter how good that DF is just a risk. This could be the greatest game ever but still not decide to publish it under THEIR terms( Remember its the devs that set the terms in this game) because of the mere fact that a game like this isn't 100% proven to get them tons of money back. Also they do have financial investors as well in case you didnt know. This is a haunting fact that says alot about what they probably really have behind closed doors.
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I agree
The whole thing is very questionable.
This is not how reputable mmo companies "promote" their product.
How about this then? Instead of whining about how a company is trying to do things differently instead of spamming us with advertisements maybe you could go and play Age of Conan and Warhammer while we go and play Darkfall?... Oh wait.... They've both been postponed to have improvements made on there game.... hmmm....
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I agree with you that it is superficially reassuring to get a 3rd party to confirm that there is a team of developers working on this game in an actual office but it was still only his immediate impressions and was not a detailed description of the developers and there names and roles etc.
Asp is not a 13 year old he's an older gamer and a business man, he went there seen the offices and seen approximately 30 people working on the game; wether he met every single person, took down their names and got to interview them that in particular has nothing to do with his credibility. He did not go to Athens as a journalist, and I am pretty sure that even if a real newsman went there and wrote an article after the fact he would still omit the names of the 30 people and their jobs... his interview would be based around the game.
The problem I have is like most of the preview it was fluff and information already released he really did not mention any specific details or any information on the major features of the game but only his emotional response.
The actual reasons as mentioned in the preview why the developers said they could not show him the latest beta version was “stability problems”, but why did they not show him the previous beta version instead of the one year old tech demo?
You are a Troll. He played the older beta build with several other developers, there were other people logged in with him that were showing him the ropes.
He did not get to play the new build they were working on because guess what, there were 30 people working on the new build. He mentioned he had seen people working on buildings, character models, coding etc.
I don’t think I was suggesting that dark fall was vapor ware that was not my intention, what I was saying is that I did not find this preview satisfactory and I do not think it is an objective or professional preview, the fact that he does not mention even one negative remark is extraordinary and highly suspicious in my opinion.
The reason you did not find his preview satisfactory because you are a Troll, you did not read it and the reason I know that is because of your blatant bias towards LOD and Asp. If you did read it you would realize that the guy that actually went to Athens was not a prepubescent 10 year old like you, see Asp does not have to ask your permission for what question to ask and he certainly does not owe anyhting to you or any one else.
Also consider that the majority of the preview is highly emotive and full of his impressions or interpretations but not any solid facts or figures, and the fact that it was not a preview of an “older version” of dark fall but a technology demonstration that is one year old not a beta version.
What you care about facts? Really? Because from what I am reading it seems to me like you're just here to bait and fling nonelogical arguments at people.
Fact is Asp from LOD went to Athens, seen a full floor of office space occupied by approx 30 people who were working on Darkfall. He seen them code, work on models, cities etc., he also got to play an older beta build with the devs, yes reguardless what you think and or propose he did play and older build and he mentioned that for a 1 YEAR OLD BUILD THE GAME ROCKED.
you guys ar ebeing to darn picky they probly did showe him that stuff but he probly couldnt talk about it there is such thing called a NDA
Asp is not a 13 year old he's an older gamer and a business man, he went there seen the offices and seen approximately 30 people working on the game; wether he met every single person, took down their names and got to interview them that in particular has nothing to do with his credibility. He did not go to Athens as a journalist, and I am pretty sure that even if a real newsman went there and wrote an article after the fact he would still omit the names of the 30 people and their jobs... his interview would be based around the game.
I never said Asp was 13 years old, you saying he’s an older gamer and a business man does still does not effect my criticisms of the content of his preview.
I was never suggesting he should write down every developers name and job title and description that would be ridiculous, I was commenting on the fact that his impressions of the office and staff was very brief and vague but contained no definitive facts or information which I did not find totally re-assuring personally.
Asp said “We got there and their office was not one room but looked like occupied an entire floor of the building. I could see at least a couple of dozen of programmers doing different things. Just briefly passing by the dev area I could catch a glimpse of people coding, working on landscape design, someone was working on medieval buildings for what looked like a human style city. This shop was all about business and the people impressively professional.”
You are a Troll. He played the older beta build with several other developers, there were other people logged in with him that were showing him the ropes.
He did not get to play the new build they were working on because guess what, there were 30 people working on the new build. He mentioned he had seen people working on buildings, character models, coding etc.
Name calling does not stop me or others asking questions or speculating about the most important part of the preview, what the reasons are for him playing a one year old version of the game.
Asp said the reason why he did not get to play the current build was “Since the most current release wasn’t stable they set me up with a stable version from last year.”
This poses obvious questions like why have they not got a previous more recent stable beta version to show instead of the one year old tech demo, or if they have why did not show it or why did they just not show him the current un-stable beta version so he could preview something showing what they have achieved currently and not something one year old we have already seen on the videos they released.
The reason you did not find his preview satisfactory because you are a Troll, you did not read it and the reason I know that is because of your blatant bias towards LOD and Asp. If you did read it you would realize that the guy that actually went to Athens was not a prepubescent 10 year old like you, see Asp does not have to ask your permission for what question to ask and he certainly does not owe anyhting to you or any one else.
Take a deep breath and relax before posting, insults and name calling does not remove the fact that I have never heard of Asp or LOD before this preview like many people I presume, so how could I form any sort of bias about something and someone I was not aware of?
The reason I and others did not find the preview satisfactory have been explained, if you choose to dismiss these by calling people names that’s your prerogative.
I disagree, I would say the preview would have been considerably better is Asp had asked the community what questions to ask, and I think the preview would have been better if he had felt a sense of responsibility to provide new information and reflect an objective and more capable impression to all us faithful followers.
What you care about facts? Really? Because from what I am reading it seems to me like you're just here to bait and fling nonelogical arguments at people.
Fact is Asp from LOD went to Athens, seen a full floor of office space occupied by approx 30 people who were working on Darkfall. He seen them code, work on models, cities etc., he also got to play an older beta build with the devs, yes reguardless what you think and or propose he did play and older build and he mentioned that for a 1 YEAR OLD BUILD THE GAME ROCKED.
All the facts or opinions I have stated are based exclusively on what is presented in Asp’s preview, if you feel I am only here to “bait” and “fling none logical arguments at people” then ignore my posts and do not respond to them.
I never disputed the fact that Asp from LOD went to Athens, or that he saw the office with the staff working or that he got to play a one year old demo.
The reason why some of us are being so “picky” is we have been following this game for years with relatively very little shown by the developers and when we get the chance to finally read a preview by a 3rd party we find he only got a brief demonstration of a one year old version.
The question I would ask is why did the developers enforce an NDA on someone writing a preview?
What was the point if he was prevented from disclosing any new information and restricted to only repeating stuff already on the FAQ or previous QA’s and the videos of the one year old build allready released.
If he was under an NDA then why did he not mention it during the preview which would be the responsible thing to do, this is a possible explanation for the reason for only the basic game play elements to be covered and non of the major features during his actual play experience, but again I ask what was the reason for showing him the major features but then not allowing him to preview them?
400 screenshots is very lil O_o
that more than most games in beta that the devs release them selves O_o
Hey Questionable - show me where you have ever said one negative thing about this project even when it was 100% warranted to say and then maybe people will consider your words to be unbiased and have some meaning...
otherwise just bequiet because you add nothing but biased hogwash at best everytime you open your mouth.
I would say something positive about this project , unfortunately there really isn't anything positive to say anymore at this point until there's actually a Beta to play or they release some real material to look at.
If they want people to start saying some positive things (beyond the delusional chanting of their cult followers) then they really need to start releasing material of actual substance for a change.
At this point all things point to them not having much of anything to show and that isn't anyones fault but their own.
And like someone else mentioned in this thread - if what they showed the guy was so great like he says - then why do they still not have a Publisher??? Age of Conan already had a Publisher in Alpha stage.
This is a haunting fact that says alot about what they probably really have behind closed doors.
lol pretty a hunted fact you dont know why they dont have a publisher XD
ITS TO MUCH OF A RISK
ALSO NO PUBLISHER WILL GIVE T?HEM F/ULL CONTROL OF THE GAME SO STFU did this get throw your thick head or you just goign to be baise about it and ignore it like you always do
btw there not even looking for a publishers anymore they eitehr found 1 or are self publishing if they have the money then self publishing is fine
i think there pr is bad see i said something is negative
but its like your life goal to say crap about a game you dont even care about
i garrentee you its beta thsi year so just relax and just leave us alone if all you want to do is just say your opinions NOT FACTS its very annoying to even read the thigns your write cause you dont have a CLUE
That lame excuse as to why they don't have a Publisher isn't going to work anymore. Think of another one.
Any Publisher looking for new Games to publish would publish a game like Darkfall in a heart beat if it was a quality product.
That's what Publishers DO. They publish games to make money. BUT they have to be of a certain quality. Gameplay style doesn't matter much. It's all about how good the actual game itself is built.
Do you really expect anyone to believe that a Publisher wouldn't publish a game like Darkfall that supposadely (on paper) looks like it has just as many features as World of Warcraft does?
Or maybe the problem is......... It doesn't.....and isn't high enough quality.
And if they did stop looking for a publisher then that just reinforces the fact they couldn't find one with what the had show.
YOU dont know that for a fact See you calling people liers again dude yoru wastign your time just goaway already lol we will find out if its quality or not
i guess i will just have tot elly ous omething i know but youll probly call me a lier
i talked to someone the other day another dev for another game that got to preview the gam e from here in the united states he siad there was like 90 other people and he really enjoyed it but the movermeant was alil stiff yet but he said there goign tow ork on that after the features are in and beta is very likly this year the game is real and I dont know why you even care so much about ssaying crap and pointing out stupid faults that most people dont even care about
go ahead and call me a lier but what ever
that lame excuse it isnt a excuse its fign true the publishers are afriad to support a sandbox game and they dont like to give full control
Well if no one cared about all the obvious faults then I guess this thread wouldn't even exist , now would it?
No one is questioning if a game exists , they question what shape it's really in.
Beta this year?? Don't hold your breath. You'll pass out and die.
no its really true they cant with hold beta any more that build asp preview was the build they said was readyf or beta it was probly the most stable i dotn even know whatt he quality of the game is we have to just wait i have been told by nurmors other devs beta will probly be thsi year for it there just afirad to annunce the beta date atm just incase something meeses up and they have to delay a few weeks or something they dont want another 2005 to happen
also thats 1 reason its tooken so long is so they can make it a quality game in 2005 they decided it wasnt up to snuff and bassicly just kept working on it the more time is actully better dont want another vanguard and a dnl
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not them devs i meant 1 dev from a diffrent company* tho but its not that big of deal youc an guess its moos tlikly beta this year by reading the dev journal if its true i guess we will have to find out
Xion187 do you have any links to press releases, developer updates, news items or any form of objective evidence at all to back up your grandiose claims, extravagant explanations and anecdotal story’s ?, or are they just your hopes and dreams or faith based prophecy ?
I think it’s a very sad state of affairs and a sign of how poorly the developers of dark fall handle there public relations when people who want to be positive about this game have to resort to this kind of totally irrational and fantastical wishful thinking.
Of course id be very happy if you could prove me wrong and provide some evidence for these absolute whoppers you’ve been telling:-
"Also they have stated its almost feature complete"
"im looking at beta this year and release in 2008"
"i got there planend release date and im pretty positve about the beta"
"plus i found out about other devs getting to play it from other companys that exact same beta build : ) from here in the us but thats all i can say >< over the internet
or its was the new build that was being stablized : ) i didnt ask"
"tell you the truth it was the beta version from last year that they said was ready for beta but since its a year old its called a demo : )"
"OMG IT WAS THE OLD BETA BuILD since its old its a demo thats why they said the new beta build is much better"
"they probly did showe him that stuff but he probly couldnt talk about it there is such thing called a NDA"
"btw there not even looking for a publishers anymore they eitehr found 1 or are self publishing if they have the money then self publishing is fine"
"i garrentee you its beta thsi year"
"i guess i will just have tot elly ous omething i know but youll probly call me a lier
i talked to someone the other day another dev for another game that got to preview the gam e from here in the united states he siad there was like 90 other people and he really enjoyed it but the movermeant was alil stiff yet but he said there goign tow ork on that after the features are in and beta is very likly this year the game is real and I dont know why you even care so much about ssaying crap and pointing out stupid faults that most people dont even care about"
"no its really true they cant with hold beta any more that build asp preview was the build they said was readyf or beta it was probly the most stable i dotn even know whatt he quality of the game is we have to just wait i have been told by nurmors other devs beta will probly be thsi year for it there just afirad to annunce the beta date atm just incase something meeses up and they have to delay a few weeks or something they dont want another 2005 to happen"
Give me a break. You haven't the foggiest idea as to when beta is going to be released.
According to your logic (which is evidently garnered by the "infallible" dev updates), mention of beta in a newsletter/forum is proof of its imminence. Sure it is. By that reasoning, beta would have been pushed out in 2003, right around the time the devs "assured" its release.
I've read the bulk of your posts. Most of them are completely unfounded. You defend this game tooth and nail and you really have no idea as to what is going on behind the scenes.
Apparently you haven't been following this game since its announcement in 2001. Judging by the track record, some skepticism is merited, and blindly throwing out fallacious statements doesn't do any good.
If you like the game, fantastic. I like the idea myself, but until there is some tangible evidence (beta) I'm going to remain a pessimist (based on past letdowns).
dude im guessing id otn even know if that 1 guy is telling the truth persoanlly we will all find out wont we according to df.warcry.com the dev has stated they want to start beta byt he end of 2007 SO STFU all ready and they want to release in 2008
I DONT KNOW ITS ALL SPECULATION THEY HAVE BAD PR A DEV DOING PR IS BAD STFU ALREADY
btw Today (Friday) we have a new Darkfall version up, which is almost feature complete. The features not enabled in this version yet are enchantment
found here http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.48208
you cant prove there lieing or tellign the truth SO lets hope to god there not lieing
what let downs they have had 1 that was in 2005 OMG AOC has postponed release quite a few times already in 2003 was the merge cant help that 1 with the redoing of graphics and engine the rest where all internal dates none where announce as official
Aventurine SA hopes to begin external testing by the end of 2007. At this time, they have not released launch, pricing or publishing details.
found here http://df.warcry.com/
then put 2 and 2 together If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met. found in dev journal 15
and then in asp fullr eview the devs told him that they want to release in 2008 also they want the current build to be stable at the end of october and i bet you that the beta build we are going to be using asp gave a lil hint toward that 1
yes ive known about it since 2001 no ihavent been watching just actulyl started watching it couple months back cause i knew if theyw as goign to keep there promises it awas goign to take longer anyways to get it out