no alot of us just dont go out of are way to slander other games it isnt like you giving them any money and they dont care that much about us theyc are about there game they want to play it will be released it will go to beta and thats that not you not hows not nay can stop that The rest is all about quality so stop posting stupid crap and picking every lilt hing apart caus emost fan bois dont give a crap about it and your just wasting your time and everyone elses there no point and contiune this your questions should concern lag/ quality of the game and thats it not how they do there pr or run there biz its dorsnt matter what anyone says its going to be released
Why do you care so much? You tell him not to waste time on posting about this game yet that is all you seem to do. Are you one of the Greek devs or something? Why do you care so much what anyone thinks of this game? You know that all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire. Seriously, get a life dooooooooood.
After looking at the developer update 16 it saddens me to see the history of Darkfalls development repeating itself again, time and time again the same thing, talk about deja-vou.
Now i feel foolish and resentful for yet again allowing myself to be optimistic and speculate positively concerning the Asp preview,developer update 15 and the recent start of the google Ad Words campaign in one of my recent posts.
After all the hype, hope and vague promises like when Asp said in his preview
"Right now they are almost done with a new build that might be a candidate for beta.They seemed to indicate that they hoped for this build to reach stability by the end of October. While I didn’t get confirmation (not that I can reveal) that this could in fact be the beta version, I really got the feeling that this could be the case. Why do I believe this? The guys were talking with confidence that the game could be released in 2008 and, from what I’ve seen, I believe them. Additionally, they talked about different publishers and difficulties in the whole process of getting a game published as if this was part of the hold up. Tasos and Kjetil want the release to be a finished game above anything else and for people to enjoy it as a polished product from day one. Frankly, based on the demo I played, I felt I could put up with a heck of a lot of issues just to begin playing this thing as soon as possible. IT LOOKED AND PLAYED THAT GOOD!"
And Tasos in update 15 (28th september)
"If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met."
And what did we get in update 16 after all this hype. hope and vague promisses?
No big announcment, No beta announcment not a single mention of the word beta, Nothing about the start of an advertisment campaign or an update to the website.
No video, only 3 screenshots and no mention of the stability problems Asp mentioned or the mention of the servers bieng down in update 15 and nothing to do with the progress of the beta build.
This is not what myself and i presume others where expecting when considering we are getting close to 1 year untill their release year.
Just the same old assurances, excussess, promises and talk about things that are not shown that we have had for years.
1st paragraph
Assurance that work is continuing but nothing new demonstrated
2nd paragraph
Excuses and explanations for the slow progress
3rd paragraph
Pointless fluff about Quests, who cares about Quests? if we want quests we can play WoW. Maybe if they talked about a specific quest and how cool it is and show screen shots or a video it would be interesting not just generalizations about quest implementation and its progress.
4th paragraph
The incredably exciting revalation that they have changed the grass, so exciting that for some reason the developers decided to use 1 of the 3 screen shots to present it to the comunity.
The discloser that they have replaced place holder sounds, with re-assurances about how the new sounds are "hard.gritty and give a violent feel to the game", any chance they could of added a sound file or a quick video to demonstrate them?
5th paragraph
More disclosers about how they are still working on monsters, recpies, character animations, and interface improvement for inchantments, seems like they still have alot of work to do.
6th paragraph
more shocking disclosers that they are still working on re-building and upgrading locations as much as between 25-75% need's rebuilding depending on location, and that spawn points are still bieng placed.
Aparantly capital citys are getting final optimization so we can presume they are almost ready, why no screen shots or short video flyby's?, im sure everyone would love to see them myself included.
7th paragraph
Mentions and describes exciting things implemented recently like defensive measures in citys, portal system, clan bonus system, pity they did not feel the need to demonstrate these to us with a short video or even a screen shot.
These are the major features i and im sure many other people want to start seeing demonstrated 1 year from release, not a few of screen shots showing only characters and scenery with no UI, and no spell or skill effects and no major features.
8th paragraph
A long paragraph of fluff about how much better darkfalls graphics are when you experience it personaly. pity non of us can unless we are members of a selected guild or untill beta starts.
Rather strange for the developers to put such an emphasize on graphics (how they are improving them and how much better they are then the video's or screenshots show) when Darkfalls major attraction for myself and im sure many others is its major gameply features and not its graphics.
9th paragraph
the usaul we are sory we cant reveal much, we are working hard, implying something big is going happen soon, we are bieng honest, we are trying to improve are communications.
Just to clarify i do think this is a considerable improvement on alot of the previous updates, It does have alot of information despite the fact that they are still unable to actually show us any of the cool stuff they are talking about just the same old screen shots only showing characters and scenery.
But considering the fact that in the previous update Tasos said almost 1 month ago that a beta announcment would be made "very soon", Asp's preview had that long paragraph full of assurances that he got the impression the current build could be a beta candidate and that it could be ready by the end of october and the start of the google Ad words.
I find that update 16 is not the sort of update that personaly gives me the impression or any assurance that this game is going into beta 'very soon" or even that it has a releastic chance of releaseing next year.
Look at any other game's updates that are one year from release or are going into beta "very soon", update 16 in my opinion does not compare faveroubly to the majority of them.
What would you rather them say? Beta soon? We already know that so there really is no need for it to be repeated to us at this point. Also I believe that missing the fact that they can't really allow all that much info out about the game. Its called an NDA and by suggesting that they should make videos is suggesting to break legal contract of secrecy. Do you believe that contracts should be broken just to better suit yourself?
Seems as though that blog post on that artists site was removed. funny
Thanks for updating us, I feel totally vindicated that my opinion that she was acting very unprofessionally was correct as we can see by the removal of the article.
Lucky we can all read what she wrote because I spoke out against it in this thread as well as others did on her comments section and the official forums so there can be no denying what transpired.
(If anyone wants to read her comments they can read them in full by refering to my rebuttal previously on this thread)
Hopefully she and other members of the development team will be more careful in the future about how they speak about or to the players in the future.
All the people who blindly accepted what she said without complaint, decided they where not included in her criticisms or the people who criticized me I’m sure will make excuses, but this is how we improve the customer relations by communicating with the developers and not faithfully accepting everything they do without question.
What would you rather them say? Beta soon? Tasos said beta date anouncment "very soon" in dev update 15. I was expecting the anouncement in update 16 1 month later, I think thats perfectly reasonable dont you? We already know that so there really is no need for it to be repeated to us at this point. I did not expect them to repeat "very soon" again, I expected the beta date anouncement 1 month later in update 16. If they could not meet their "couple of conditions" in the 1 month period between dev update 15 and 16 I expected an explanation, I think thats perfectly reasonable dont you? The fact that Tasos did not make the beta date anouncment after saying "very soon" 1 month ago speaks for itself. The fact that Tasos did not even mention the word beta once in dev update 16 i thinks speaks for itself. The fact Tasos offerd no explanation why thier "couple of conditions" have not been met in 1 month I think speaks for itself. Also I believe that missing the fact that they can't really allow all that much info out about the game. Its called an NDA and by suggesting that they should make videos is suggesting to break legal contract of secrecy. Do you believe that contracts should be broken just to better suit yourself? How convenient you mention the NDA, is that a possible explanation for the demonstratable highlight of developer update 16 bieng a screen shot of the replacement for the placeholder grass?
Tasos said beta date anouncment "very soon" in dev update 15.
I was expecting the anouncement in update 16 1 month later, I think thats perfectly reasonable dont you?
Perhaps they learned something from their past mistakes. Announcing beta too soon and something pops up. I mean alot of people got upset last time they pulled this.
We already know that so there really is no need for it to be repeated to us at this point.
I did not expect them to repeat "very soon" again, I expected the beta date anouncement 1 month later in update 16.
We really dont know when they will announce it do we? I mean they didn't say they were going to announce it in a dev journal did they?
If they could not meet their "couple of conditions" in the 1 month period between dev update 15 and 16 I expected an explanation, I think thats perfectly reasonable dont you?
I'm not sure why but they do have an NDA and are very secretive about thier business. Just in case you missed it they did say "We've been plagued by various physical bugs, health issues, equipment failures..." so there is your explanation for you. Since they didn't reall define how soon this could be in next journal or through out the week since they didn't specify when or how they were going to announce it.
The fact that Tasos did not make the beta date anouncment after saying "very soon" 1 month ago speaks for itself.
Since this update was originally for a week ago he would have had another two weeks to announce it but because of some certain conditions such as being sick it had to be delayed and since we don't really know how many were sick than its hard to say what is what.
The fact that Tasos did not even mention the word beta once in dev update 16 i thinks speaks for itself.
It could mean a lot of things not just what you believe.
The fact Tasos offerd no explanation why thier "couple of conditions" have not been met in 1 month I think speaks for itself.
They keep secrets and we don't even know what those conditions were or how they were affected from his sickness once again it means a whole lot more than just one idea that pops into your head.
Also I believe that missing the fact that they can't really allow all that much info out about the game. Its called an NDA and by suggesting that they should make videos is suggesting to break legal contract of secrecy. Do you believe that contracts should be broken just to better suit yourself?
How convenient you mention the NDA, is that a possible explanation for the demonstratable highlight of developer update 16 bieng a screen shot of the replacement for the placeholder grass?
That wasnt the highlight They didnt even sound all that excited by it. It was ilke "Yea we changed some grass" The highlight was at the bottom when they were talking about the clan defenses and such. I mean seriously you thought the grass was the highlight? They even said at the beginning of the last paragraph "The few exciting thing..." and you think they were excited about the grass?
i honnestly think some of these other game devs are kinda scared
Look someone made a funny.
Scared of what? A 6 year old project that released a few crappy Alpha videos over the course of those 6 years? Get real. The only reason any other dev would even bring up darkfall would be to joke about it. Just like some Age of Conan devs did before.
no there scared that devs might actully put out a feature complete game instead of half of the features missing that will prove that it can be done the quality of it no one can say until beta starts so why dont you relax i already know your the how* guy
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Why do you care so much? You tell him not to waste time on posting about this game yet that is all you seem to do. Are you one of the Greek devs or something? Why do you care so much what anyone thinks of this game? You know that all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire. Seriously, get a life dooooooooood.
After looking at the developer update 16 it saddens me to see the history of Darkfalls development repeating itself again, time and time again the same thing, talk about deja-vou.
Now i feel foolish and resentful for yet again allowing myself to be optimistic and speculate positively concerning the Asp preview,developer update 15 and the recent start of the google Ad Words campaign in one of my recent posts.
After all the hype, hope and vague promises like when Asp said in his preview
"Right now they are almost done with a new build that might be a candidate for beta. They seemed to indicate that they hoped for this build to reach stability by the end of October. While I didn’t get confirmation (not that I can reveal) that this could in fact be the beta version, I really got the feeling that this could be the case. Why do I believe this? The guys were talking with confidence that the game could be released in 2008 and, from what I’ve seen, I believe them. Additionally, they talked about different publishers and difficulties in the whole process of getting a game published as if this was part of the hold up. Tasos and Kjetil want the release to be a finished game above anything else and for people to enjoy it as a polished product from day one. Frankly, based on the demo I played, I felt I could put up with a heck of a lot of issues just to begin playing this thing as soon as possible. IT LOOKED AND PLAYED THAT GOOD!"
And Tasos in update 15 (28th september)
"If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met."
And what did we get in update 16 after all this hype. hope and vague promisses?
No big announcment, No beta announcment not a single mention of the word beta, Nothing about the start of an advertisment campaign or an update to the website.
No video, only 3 screenshots and no mention of the stability problems Asp mentioned or the mention of the servers bieng down in update 15 and nothing to do with the progress of the beta build.
This is not what myself and i presume others where expecting when considering we are getting close to 1 year untill their release year.
Just the same old assurances, excussess, promises and talk about things that are not shown that we have had for years.
1st paragraph
Assurance that work is continuing but nothing new demonstrated
2nd paragraph
Excuses and explanations for the slow progress
3rd paragraph
Pointless fluff about Quests, who cares about Quests? if we want quests we can play WoW. Maybe if they talked about a specific quest and how cool it is and show screen shots or a video it would be interesting not just generalizations about quest implementation and its progress.
4th paragraph
The incredably exciting revalation that they have changed the grass, so exciting that for some reason the developers decided to use 1 of the 3 screen shots to present it to the comunity.
The discloser that they have replaced place holder sounds, with re-assurances about how the new sounds are "hard.gritty and give a violent feel to the game", any chance they could of added a sound file or a quick video to demonstrate them?
5th paragraph
More disclosers about how they are still working on monsters, recpies, character animations, and interface improvement for inchantments, seems like they still have alot of work to do.
6th paragraph
more shocking disclosers that they are still working on re-building and upgrading locations as much as between 25-75% need's rebuilding depending on location, and that spawn points are still bieng placed.
Aparantly capital citys are getting final optimization so we can presume they are almost ready, why no screen shots or short video flyby's?, im sure everyone would love to see them myself included.
7th paragraph
Mentions and describes exciting things implemented recently like defensive measures in citys, portal system, clan bonus system, pity they did not feel the need to demonstrate these to us with a short video or even a screen shot.
These are the major features i and im sure many other people want to start seeing demonstrated 1 year from release, not a few of screen shots showing only characters and scenery with no UI, and no spell or skill effects and no major features.
8th paragraph
A long paragraph of fluff about how much better darkfalls graphics are when you experience it personaly. pity non of us can unless we are members of a selected guild or untill beta starts.
Rather strange for the developers to put such an emphasize on graphics (how they are improving them and how much better they are then the video's or screenshots show) when Darkfalls major attraction for myself and im sure many others is its major gameply features and not its graphics.
9th paragraph
the usaul we are sory we cant reveal much, we are working hard, implying something big is going happen soon, we are bieng honest, we are trying to improve are communications.
Just to clarify i do think this is a considerable improvement on alot of the previous updates, It does have alot of information despite the fact that they are still unable to actually show us any of the cool stuff they are talking about just the same old screen shots only showing characters and scenery.
But considering the fact that in the previous update Tasos said almost 1 month ago that a beta announcment would be made "very soon", Asp's preview had that long paragraph full of assurances that he got the impression the current build could be a beta candidate and that it could be ready by the end of october and the start of the google Ad words.
I find that update 16 is not the sort of update that personaly gives me the impression or any assurance that this game is going into beta 'very soon" or even that it has a releastic chance of releaseing next year.
Look at any other game's updates that are one year from release or are going into beta "very soon", update 16 in my opinion does not compare faveroubly to the majority of them.
yea he said nothing new really in this 1 whats the problem? to me it seems there tweaking the game and get it really done well before beta
MAN WHAT IS WRONG? you wasting all that time typing something and all ti si is repeating exactlly what you said before
What would you rather them say? Beta soon? We already know that so there really is no need for it to be repeated to us at this point. Also I believe that missing the fact that they can't really allow all that much info out about the game. Its called an NDA and by suggesting that they should make videos is suggesting to break legal contract of secrecy. Do you believe that contracts should be broken just to better suit yourself?
Seems as though that blog post on that artists site was removed. funny
Thanks for updating us, I feel totally vindicated that my opinion that she was acting very unprofessionally was correct as we can see by the removal of the article.
Lucky we can all read what she wrote because I spoke out against it in this thread as well as others did on her comments section and the official forums so there can be no denying what transpired.
(If anyone wants to read her comments they can read them in full by refering to my rebuttal previously on this thread)
Hopefully she and other members of the development team will be more careful in the future about how they speak about or to the players in the future.
All the people who blindly accepted what she said without complaint, decided they where not included in her criticisms or the people who criticized me I’m sure will make excuses, but this is how we improve the customer relations by communicating with the developers and not faithfully accepting everything they do without question.
dont really know what the screenshot was of but it was a new screenshot all we can do is really wait
i honnestly think some of these other game devs are kinda scared
they didnt say and all that other stuff there not going to show until it goes public its as simple as that
Look someone made a funny.
Scared of what? A 6 year old project that released a few crappy Alpha videos over the course of those 6 years? Get real. The only reason any other dev would even bring up darkfall would be to joke about it. Just like some Age of Conan devs did before.
yea there scared
of you?
no there scared that devs might actully put out a feature complete game instead of half of the features missing that will prove that it can be done the quality of it no one can say until beta starts so why dont you relax i already know your the how* guy