why are you even speclating Becuase of the lack of information released publicaly by the developers its going beta when? and thats that you cant stop it im not trying to stop it, ive been waiting for years for beta thats a ridiculous allegation. so why keep saying crap that noone can prove Thats what we are forced to do becuase of the lack of information. by now you should relize the devs dont cater to us how very unprofesional and personaly id ont care about that alot of us do care, especialy when they make promises and keep breaking them ive seen proof that the game is coming Please share your proof, alot of people are not convinced beyond reasonable doubt yet. and talked to other people about it that does not sound like a very dependable source they had hosting issues in 2006 so they decided to wait until this year and just ad in more of the features what are the reasons for the beta and release date delays before and after 2006? so JUST wait abit longer and you will see Most if us are fed up with waiting we want to see something demonstrated publicly i cant commit on the quality of the game i can only commit about its beign released and goign to beta XD Please explain while you feel you can commit to stating that darkfall will definatly go into beta and then release, can you see into the future?
it comes down to this its there game they want to play there going to release it no matter what
and god damn it stop picking everything everyone says apart its annoying as hell lack of info LMAO
they ws giving tons of info there is tons of info but people like calling them liers and they have gone over board with info 2 so they backed off on it and whyd oes it matter all hte info we will get in the game nay ways we dont need them to tell it to us
it comes down to this its there game they want to play there going to release it no matter what Even if they run out of money, cant find a publisher/ self publish, reach insurmountable development problems or any of the hundreds of reasons why many games in the past dont release?
and god damn it stop picking everything everyone says apart its annoying as hell Welcome to public forums, where people can say things you dont agree with. lack of info LMAO unfortunately many people do consider the amount of information released as a source of amusement. they ws giving tons of info thats your opinion, myself and many others would disagree there is tons of info again thats your opinion, compared relatively to most other games in development i fail to see how you can believe this but people like calling them liers people make allegations becuase the developers have not released sufficient enough to demonstrate that the majority of the critic's are wroung beyond reasonable doubt. and they have gone over board with info 2 so they backed off on it again i can't see how you could possible say the developers of darkfall have gone over board with the information they have released. and whyd oes it matter all hte info we will get in the game nay ways we dont need them to tell it to us I dont understand what you are saying.
you know what whats the point nothng i show you will get throw your thick head unless i beat it into you so why do we even bother you will find out soon enough
you know what whats the point nothng i show you will get throw your thick head unless i beat it into you so why do we even bother you will find out soon enough
Resorting to threats of physical violence while of course being pathetic and contemptible, are also hilarious considering we are posting anonymously on the internet. But also are the sign that someone is incapable or has failed to make a rational and articulate discussion.
The reason why I bother is because I’m frustrated with the constant delays and lack of information that people who are waiting for this game have experienced.
And as you say I do hope we will find out soon enough, but if your definition of soon is sometime in the indeterminate future as it has been re-defined by the dark fall community then I feel we will still be arguing for a very long time.
i didnt really mean beat it into your head lol firgure of speach but i cant prove it to you any ways i guess theres a smallc hance they will delay but the game is real CRying baout not enough info on ehre isnt going to make themg ive more info we fans dont control whatt hey give even some of the fans get pissy about the lack of info it doesnt really botheer me as long ahs theys tart beta very soon iunderstand how you feel about it but there not a normal company at all its there first mmo and they just plaj suck at PR and thats that
i didnt really mean beat it into your head lol firgure of speach but i cant prove it to you any ways i guess theres a smallc hance they will delay but the game is real CRying baout not enough info on ehre isnt going to make themg ive more info we fans dont control whatt hey give even some of the fans get pissy about the lack of info it doesnt really botheer me as long ahs theys tart beta very soon iunderstand how you feel about it but there not a normal company at all its there first mmo and they just plaj suck at PR and thats that
i didnt really mean beat it into your head lol firgure of speach but i cant prove it to you any ways i guess theres a smallc hance they will delay but the game is real CRying baout not enough info on ehre isnt going to make themg ive more info we fans dont control whatt hey give even some of the fans get pissy about the lack of info it doesnt really botheer me as long ahs theys tart beta very soon iunderstand how you feel about it but there not a normal company at all its there first mmo and they just plaj suck at PR and thats that
Let me decode this for you:
- Some of us are pissed of beacause of delays
- They will (probably) start beta soon
- It's their first MMo and they plain suck in PR department.
Damn man I'm not bashing you or anything guy above but you got some broken finger there!!
Still a good point though thank god for translators.
"The most important thing is to have the design support the players in setting their own goals in both cooperative and competitive interaction with one another." - Ironore -
Just ignore Polarization, he's a troll he made this thread just so that he could bait people. Don't encourage him anymore, I am sure pretty soon he will start up another thread when we get another Dev journal or something.
Look at how many posts he has, and vast majority of them are here on DF boards trolling. He's probably Thrones of Chaos or Mourning fanboi.
Polarization makes a lot of good points and responds without name calling. From reading the thread thus far, he seems to articulate the things he is speculating about versus the facts he is presenting. However, the fans of DF, with some exceptions, appear to be merely discounting Polarization's questions without any meaningful information.
In the end, sure, games take a long time to develop. Sure, private companies don't have to disclose financial info. Sure, this game could go beta next week. If that were to happen, then based on the thread so far, I would have to believe Polarization would happily say he was wrong in some of his speculation.
On the other side of the coin, it is easy to understand the frustration of someone who wants to believe this game will see the light of day. Let's look at Warhammer as an example of another way to do things. Pre-beta, I signed up for a newsletter Every month or so, I received an email with all sorts of information about what was going on and where things were at. Was I entitled to this information? No, but then, the WArhammer team provided it anyhow to show those that were interested that something was happening. Now look at the darkfall developer journal which has updates at (what appears to be) a 2-3 month average.
This is just an example using a recent game that has been in development. PR is as important to the success of a game as anything else. In the absence of meaningful and demonstratable information, questions and speculation take root. Would it really be the much of an imposition for the developers of Darkfall to share a little more information. They don't need to commit to timelines, but enthusiasm is contagious. if they wrote more frequently to share their enthusiasm about what they are working on, it would go a long way toward keeping people optimisitic and interested in a game that has a lot of potential.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Maybe some people want to kick vaporware trolls' heads in because they act like arrogant and cocky bastards? Sorry, I may have a lot more patience than some people here ( not a lot but hey, I try ) but I can honestly understand why, plus nice work on trying to twist what the guy was saying, he wasn't making any threats at all. If you lot don't want to be interpreted as trolls, stop lying, stop making up facts, stop taking quotes out of context and stop acting like general arses, acting all arrogant and cocky does NOTHING to help you with your arguments and it in fact just makes people hate you even when otherwise you might be right.
Some folks here may be angry, but they're sure as hell are right, vaporware trolls have done nothing but spam vaporware everywhere without bringing up any good arguments whatsoever, moreover they don't even acknowledge when they are wrong and when pressed with more questions they just spam "It doesn't matter because it's vaporware", I can understand perfectly why some people are pissed off with trolls, it doesn't matter if they've been waiting for however many years, that gives them no right to act like arrogant bastards when they talk to people, I just simply feel sorry for them mostly because it's clear the idiots haven't even bothered to research things like how long a real MMORPG takes to develop, it's nothing but blatant bashing, if they did something like claim that Warhammer Online or Age of Conan was vaporware everyone would jump on them, they're just clearly picking Darkfall because there hasn't been much public coverage on the game and over-exaggerated hype.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Just ignore Polarization, Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring people does not make them or the things they say go away he's a troll Thats your opinion, constantly accusing me does not make it true he made this thread just so that he could bait people. How many times are you going to accuse me of attempting to bait people but then reply to my posts anyway? Don't encourage him anymore, I've not realy found much encouraging about the majority of the posts so far concerning darkfalls development or the community. I am sure pretty soon he will start up another thread when we get another Dev journal or something. I have no intention of ineracting with this community outside this thread, But if i was what would be wroung with making posts about relavent topics?, are only people who says things you agree with allowed to make threads on the darkfall forum of this site? Look at how many posts he has, Just becuase I've not posted much over the last few years does not mean you can dismis what i say purely on my post count. and vast majority of them are here on DF boards trolling. Thats your opinion, others have not got that impression He's probably Thrones of Chaos or Mourning fanboi. Another ridiculous accusation.
Maybe some people want to kick vaporware trolls' heads in because they act like arrogant and cocky bastards? Considering i have never said darkfall was vaporware, Do you realy feel you are you justifyed in implying I'm a "vaporware troll" just becuase I'm critical of darkfalls development?, or is that a convinient way to dismis inconvienient truths? Can you please explain how you got the impression i was acting arrogantly or like a "cocky b" becuase that was never my intention and i do not believe i give that impression to an objective reader. Sorry, I may have a lot more patience than some people here ( not a lot but hey, I try ) but I can honestly understand why, plus nice work on trying to twist what the guy was saying, he wasn't making any threats at all. I accept his explanation after he explained he was using a figure of speech, but i think its understandable i got the impression of a physical threat considering his unusual writing style that others have expresed there inability to understand properly. If you lot don't want to be interpreted as trolls, stop lying, stop making up facts, stop taking quotes out of context and stop acting like general arses, acting all arrogant and cocky does NOTHING to help you with your arguments and it in fact just makes people hate you even when otherwise you might be right. I dont understand how you could objectively interpret my behavior as trolling, lying, making up facts or taking quotes out of context. I've been very carefull to only use information available from credable sources mostly from Asp's preview and the latest warcry journal that anyone can check. Again I dont think ive been acting cocky or arrogantly, I also think there are alot of hatefull people allready in the darkfall community regardless of anything I've said. Some folks here may be angry, but they're sure as hell are right, vaporware trolls have done nothing but spam vaporware everywhere without bringing up any good arguments whatsoever, moreover they don't even acknowledge when they are wrong and when pressed with more questions they just spam "It doesn't matter because it's vaporware", I can understand perfectly why some people are pissed off with trolls, it doesn't matter if they've been waiting for however many years, that gives them no right to act like arrogant bastards when they talk to people, I just simply feel sorry for them mostly because it's clear the idiots haven't even bothered to research things like how long a real MMORPG takes to develop, it's nothing but blatant bashing, Yes i agree but there are also people who behave identicaly in fanatical support. if they did something like claim that Warhammer Online or Age of Conan was vaporware everyone would jump on them, Becuase there is over whelming evidence to prove beyound reasonable doubt that those games are not. they're just clearly picking Darkfall because there hasn't been much public coverage on the game and over-exaggerated hype. I think there are many reasons the majority of the community has solidified into the two extremes of the spectrum, and this makes it increasingly hard to present a rational and objective debate on the actual facts and not speculation, wishfull thinking and anectdotal storys from both sides. As myself and others have comented on earlier this could have serious repercussions during beta and post release, But if or when the open beta starts or at release the game meets the majority of the expectations generated by the developers then i think the rift between the community will be mostly healed. But untill the developers demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that they can deliver on thier promisses we are doomed to constant arguement and speculation untill we get an official resolution.
In case you didn't realize I wasn't actually aiming it at anyone in particular but you seemed greatly under that I was, but let me put it this way, saying stuff like "inconvienient truths" is arrogant enough, you've also constantly said it's just your opinion and that you can't see how it's a fact. You may not be saying it's vaporware, but from what I've seen you certainly do seem to be doing some trolling there, there is nothing wrong with being critical of Darkfall's development they've made mistakes in the past like announcing the game and beta too early but they are well on their way with the development and that is a fact.
As far as I have experienced Adventurine has given us better communication than what some of the mainstream companies have done who ironically are the ones who stay almost entirely quiet only giving out newsletters and bits of information on their websites. Oh by the way please don't quote me when I'm one or two posts above you otherwise I'll quite happily block you, I consider it a waste of bandwith and people who do that are usually just covering up how little they've written.
As I said I had never meant that to be directed at anyone in particular, just the vaporware trolls, if your so offended by it then maybe you should stop and look back at what you've been typing, there is also another possible reason that some of the Darkfall community is extremely pissed off at the trolls, some of us are Pre-Cu SWG vets and this game may well be the closest thing we'll ever get to what that game was like ever again, not to mention Adventurine's an independent company.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
"But untill the developers demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that they can deliver on thier promisses we are doomed to constant arguement and speculation untill we get an official resolution."
After reading about the details of the recent appearance of dark fall google ad words advertisements and managing to get them to display for me after a while, I could not resist the infectious optimism starting to take over again when considering recent releases of information.
Brannoc an adminstrator on the dark fall official forums said concerning the ad words
"This is new. A few other sites should be carrying similar things.It won't appear infinite times everyday."
I cannot find any confirmation by the developers but I think its safe to assume this is probably officially sanctioned.
Could this possibly the start of a larger advertisement campaign to generate interest for the possible announcement of something major? I don’t see how they could think only google ad words will be enough to achieve broad market spectrum saturation or be competitive in the market place, unless they are hoping to generate interest by word of mouth.
But how can they generate positive word of mouth using only google ad words without a much improved public relations effort and a massive release of new information demonstrating the major features implemented or starting beta? I cannot understand why the developers would think it would be advantageous for them to start an ad word campaign on google or any form of advertisements but not then make a major announcement concerning beta /release or new detailed information soon after. Considering these quotes in relation to the recent start of the ad words campaign from Asp’s preview the latest war cry journal and developer update "This is going to be a short journal. I was originally planning to give you a preview of the game in this installment but I didn't have the time to put it together." Possibly explains why Asp did not mention any major features and only the basics in his preview, the developers might be planning to make there own more detailed and in-depth preview to co-inside with a possible major announcement, I still don’t find this really explanation adequate. "If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met." "Right now they are almost done with a new build that might be a candidate for beta. They seemed to indicate that they hoped for this build to reach stability by the end of October."
Is it possible that the stability problems are going to be solved for this latest beta build and that all conditions have been met to announce a specific beta date? I personally cannot see why the developers would start an advertisement campaign unless this is happening. If this is all optimistic speculation and there is no major announcement around the end of October then I feel it is a mistake by the developers to attempt to draw more attention to this game by advertising without demonstrating publicly what they have achieved so far or announce beta. Its only going to result in more disgruntled followers who have experienced another let down, or give any potential new comers to the game a bad impression and of course give free ammo to any critics of the developers.
0k21, as perhaps a humorous illustration of differences; As a pre-CU SWG Vet myself, I would expect most SWG vets to be cautious, or as is my cause cautiously optimistic, lest they find disappointment in what was to be a refuge. I wouldn't say that optimism precludes critical interpretation of information though.
I think, in the idea of SWG vets being cautious, there was a lot of hope (at one point) that Tabula Rasa would be the next landing place for SWG vets. It had the Sci-fi setting and the proper names involved. At this point, to read posts about TR today, I couldn't imagine an SWG vet going there for the feature fix they are looking for.
Anecdotal though it may be, it certainly adds to the desire to know more about the state of a product that may actually address a lot of those features certain players are looking for. I see the anxiousness about Darkfall as a positive thing. People want to be excited about it. As such, they want more information that they can share with other people who may be interested.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
In case you didn't realize I wasn't actually aiming it at anyone in particular but you seemed greatly under that I was, You saying "Maybe some people want to kick vaporware trolls' heads in because they act like arrogant and cocky bastards?" is obviouisly refering to Xion187's reply to me when he said "you know what whats the point nothng i show you will get throw your thick head unless i beat it into you so why do we even bother you will find out soon enough" If you did not mean to imply it by association then you certainly gave the impression that you where. but let me put it this way, saying stuff like "inconvienient truths" is arrogant enough, Why is it arrogant to use a well know phrase to describe the facts we can all see, many of which have been presented that are obviously inconvienient about darkfalls development to anyone who wishes to objectively form or maintain an excessively posistive opinion? Are you possibly just accusing me of arrogance becuase you dont agree with me or find some of the facts presented objectionable? you've also constantly said it's just your opinion and that you can't see how it's a fact. Not sure what your point is, what is wroung with cleary stating when something is ones opinion and not claiming opinions as fact? You may not be saying it's vaporware, but from what I've seen you certainly do seem to be doing some trolling there, Well thats your opinion but we can let everyone else decide for themselves if they agree with your allegation. there is nothing wrong with being critical of Darkfall's development they've made mistakes in the past like announcing the game and beta too early I certainly agree with that. but they are well on their way with the development and that is a fact. I'm afraid myself and many others are not convinced, could you possibly disclose your reasons for stating your opinion as fact? As far as I have experienced Adventurine has given us better communication than what some of the mainstream companies have done I cannot possibly understand how you could believe this, a quick look at the majority of the other games on this site in development would show your statement as false. who ironically are the ones who stay almost entirely quiet only giving out newsletters and bits of information on their websites. If you are again trying to imply that darkfall's PR is in anyway superior due to developer interaction with the comunity compared to the majority of other game's in development i dont think many people would agree with you. Oh by the way please don't quote me when I'm one or two posts above you otherwise I'll quite happily block you, If i dont follow your rules you will block me?, sounds like arrogance to me. I consider it a waste of bandwith Sounds quite arrogant you consider others people who dont follow your rules are wasting bandwith. and people who do that are usually just covering up how little they've written. Dismissing people who qoute becuase you consider they are usually guiltly of not making adequate contribution's also come across as very arogant. Rather hypocritical to accuse me of arrogance but then mention your rules i have to follow when posting and threaten me with blocking if i dont comply. Is this part of your own personal internet forum crussade or did you just mention them specificaly for my benefit?, is this an attempt to restrict people's response's who say things you dont agree with by threating to block them?
As I said I had never meant that to be directed at anyone in particular,just the vaporware trolls, Well as i have shown with the two qoutes you certainly gave the impression of implying it directly to me. if your so offended by it then maybe you should stop and look back at what you've been typing, Im not offended by it in any way, just becuase i attempt to refute allegations made against me does not mean im emotionaly involved. As i have said, myself and others would not agree with your "vaporware troll" implication as bieng acurate as you can see from there posts. there is also another possible reason that some of the Darkfall community is extremely pissed off at the trolls, some of us are Pre-Cu SWG vets and this game may well be the closest thing we'll ever get to what that game was like ever again, I would say that i could not possibly understand why anyone who was treated so despicably by one game developer would want to jump into bed with any other developers without getting assurances that they would not be treated so badly again. If you feel that you have seen evidence enough to allow you to endulge in believing darkfall will act as a substitute for Pre-CU SWG demonstrated in reality and not just on the FaQ or promises made then that is your choice, but many people have not been convinced as yet. Perhapes people who are so emotional that they attack people who are critical of a game that they have made such a close association with becuase of past experiences should consider if they are bieng irational by calling people trolls and getting "pissed off" when ever somone says something they dont agree with. not to mention Adventurine's an independent company. I fail to see why Adventurine bieng an independent company absolves it in any way from any of the possible criticism's or speculation about any detrimental possibilites people may make.
0k21, as perhaps a humorous illustration of differences; As a pre-CU SWG Vet myself, I would expect most SWG vets to be cautious, or as is my cause cautiously optimistic, lest they find disappointment in what was to be a refuge. I wouldn't say that optimism precludes critical interpretation of information though. I also find it surprising that a person who has experienced some of the worst behavior by a MMO developer in history would be so quick to allign themselfs with a very possitive view of darkfall considering the history of its development. I can only offer the explanation that someone who has lost something they enjoyed so much is more likely to attach irational hope to another game that they believe offers a chance to re-capture that which was lost despite possible evidence to the contrary. I agree that cautious optimisim is perfectly valid for anyone eagerly anticipating darkfall, but i find myself becoming increasingly critical as the years have passed, but even now i still ocasionaly endulge in cautious optimism as shown in my recent post about the google ad words. I think unfortunatly that alot of people's optimism does preclude critical interpretation especialy considering the emotinal aspects of peoples response's shown here and elsewhere in the darkfall community. Of course there are also people who are irrationllay negatively predesposed towards darkfall for various reasons and there objectivity is also effected by there emotions. I think, in the idea of SWG vets being cautious, there was a lot of hope (at one point) that Tabula Rasa would be the next landing place for SWG vets. It had the Sci-fi setting and the proper names involved. At this point, to read posts about TR today, I couldn't imagine an SWG vet going there for the feature fix they are looking for. I agree that tabula rasa is another good example in a long list of how developers can generate expectations or that people can visualize experiences that will be possible only in there imaginations and which are not demonstrated in reality come release or beta. Anecdotal though it may be, it certainly adds to the desire to know more about the state of a product that may actually address a lot of those features certain players are looking for. I see the anxiousness about Darkfall as a positive thing. People want to be excited about it. As such, they want more information that they can share with other people who may be interested. I agree i dont think anyone who is seriously interested in this game becuase of it features should in any way be critisized for wanting to see them demonstrated by the developers instead of accepting vague promisses or very sparton information. I agree that the anxiety and expectations can be posistive for the developers and the community, but i feel that the developers have not capitilized on this potential interest and have squanderd alot of opertunitys to dismis all the constant negativity by there actions.
I admit mklinic I have been very cautious when it comes to companies these days, in fact I wish I could go back to the old days where I could just pick up a game, play it and decide whether I like it there and then without having to look at the company logo and history, games are being taken so seriously today it's ridiculous I NEVER used to see debates like "Is WoW better than Warhammer?" or incredibly even stuff like "Darkfall and WoW?" sure, they may use similar systems, but why the hell must they be constantly grouped in together and not just accepted as their own franchise/game?
I personally did not fall for the Tabula Rasa hype, the idea that they were trying to go for a first person shooter element feel and mix it in with RPG just screamed NGE to me since that's what SOE was trying to originally accomplish, though admittedly they outright said that they were looking at turning it into a third person shooter style RPG. If your not going to celebrate the game or the developer that came up with the ideas for this game, then at least accept the concept, I am certainly not JUST defending this game and hopefully clicking refresh, I am actually looking at other MMORPG's like EVE Online and Chronicles of Spellborn, I think any original idea that comes up in the industry should well and truly be supported regardless of how people may feel, why? Because in the end if we don't all we're going to do is get these crappy grind clones which have little to no depth in them beyond a talent tree and 8 different classes to choose from ( which seems to be the industry standard for these types of games nowadays ) by the way, Polarization in case you didn't notice I've kept my promise and I've blocked you, have fun trolling in your own because at least the others had the decency to leave the topic when they were proven wrong, I hate people who take my quotes out of context which is why I despise quoting in the first place, if your going to quote me then use "'s like normal writers do.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I found something interesting concerning the speculation made by myself and others previously about the possible motivations for the dark fall developers apparent emphasis on guilds and there members for there public relations events/articles.
As demonstrated most recently by the preview by Asp but also the past preview’s or reports from guild members or people directly associated with the developers like forum moderators.
As I was in a guild that applied for the start of the guild beta in 2005 I obviously know this was planned before it was canceled but I was not in a position of authority within the guild to be part of the process, can anyone confirm if they received a similar email to this ?
Klat,
We would like to invite your clan to participate in the Darkfall clan beta (www.darkfallonline.com) . If you would be so kind as to reply to info@razorwax.com
we would be happy to send you registration information and allow you to reserve your clan name whether you play Darkfall or not.
You've received this email for at least one of the following reasons:
Your reputation precedes you
Youwere referred to us by one of our developers
You were referred to us by another clan
You were referred to us by one of your members that is following Darkfall
If you feel you've received this in error, we apologize for the inconvenience. This message is sent out without any follow-up.
Looking forward to seeing you in the Darkfall Beta
I also noticed that the LOD public darkfall forums description is
Darkfall.. another game to lust over until you buy it.. erm we fully endorse this non-vaporware game.
seems to show they are willing to publicaly endorse dark fall based on a preview that many people found unsatisfactory. Of course as other have mentioned Asp may not of disclosed everything in the preview but that poses more questions.
It appears as more evidence to show the general attitude of the developers is to attempt to ingratiate themselves with guild’s, by offering exclusive access and appealing to the egos of there members.
It appears that one of there core marketing strategy’s has always been to limit exposure except for guilds and there members who are already committed to supporting them or who do so after receiving perks.
Also I get the impression they are relying on word of mouth spread between guilds who are possibly already favorably inclined towards the concepts of dark fall to generate interest and support in the community.
That the developers for reasons we can only speculate about, seem to have a policy of emphasizing access to beta and access for the majority of the previews and interview’s, reports etc. to guilds and there members I think reflects detrimentally on there public image for the majority of us not involved with these guilds
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it comes down to this its there game they want to play there going to release it no matter what
and god damn it stop picking everything everyone says apart its annoying as hell lack of info LMAO
they ws giving tons of info there is tons of info but people like calling them liers and they have gone over board with info 2 so they backed off on it and whyd oes it matter all hte info we will get in the game nay ways we dont need them to tell it to us
you know what whats the point nothng i show you will get throw your thick head unless i beat it into you so why do we even bother you will find out soon enough
Resorting to threats of physical violence while of course being pathetic and contemptible, are also hilarious considering we are posting anonymously on the internet. But also are the sign that someone is incapable or has failed to make a rational and articulate discussion.
The reason why I bother is because I’m frustrated with the constant delays and lack of information that people who are waiting for this game have experienced.
And as you say I do hope we will find out soon enough, but if your definition of soon is sometime in the indeterminate future as it has been re-defined by the dark fall community then I feel we will still be arguing for a very long time.
i didnt really mean beat it into your head lol firgure of speach but i cant prove it to you any ways i guess theres a smallc hance they will delay but the game is real CRying baout not enough info on ehre isnt going to make themg ive more info we fans dont control whatt hey give even some of the fans get pissy about the lack of info it doesnt really botheer me as long ahs theys tart beta very soon iunderstand how you feel about it but there not a normal company at all its there first mmo and they just plaj suck at PR and thats that
what?
Let me decode this for you:
- Some of us are pissed of beacause of delays
- They will (probably) start beta soon
- It's their first MMo and they plain suck in PR department.
pretty much XD
Damn man I'm not bashing you or anything guy above but you got some broken finger there!!
Still a good point though
thank god for translators.
"The most important thing is to have the design support the players in setting their own goals in both cooperative and competitive interaction with one another." - Ironore -
Just ignore Polarization, he's a troll he made this thread just so that he could bait people. Don't encourage him anymore, I am sure pretty soon he will start up another thread when we get another Dev journal or something.
Look at how many posts he has, and vast majority of them are here on DF boards trolling. He's probably Thrones of Chaos or Mourning fanboi.
Is it so bad to have a critical view-point?
Polarization makes a lot of good points and responds without name calling. From reading the thread thus far, he seems to articulate the things he is speculating about versus the facts he is presenting. However, the fans of DF, with some exceptions, appear to be merely discounting Polarization's questions without any meaningful information.
In the end, sure, games take a long time to develop. Sure, private companies don't have to disclose financial info. Sure, this game could go beta next week. If that were to happen, then based on the thread so far, I would have to believe Polarization would happily say he was wrong in some of his speculation.
On the other side of the coin, it is easy to understand the frustration of someone who wants to believe this game will see the light of day. Let's look at Warhammer as an example of another way to do things. Pre-beta, I signed up for a newsletter Every month or so, I received an email with all sorts of information about what was going on and where things were at. Was I entitled to this information? No, but then, the WArhammer team provided it anyhow to show those that were interested that something was happening. Now look at the darkfall developer journal which has updates at (what appears to be) a 2-3 month average.
This is just an example using a recent game that has been in development. PR is as important to the success of a game as anything else. In the absence of meaningful and demonstratable information, questions and speculation take root. Would it really be the much of an imposition for the developers of Darkfall to share a little more information. They don't need to commit to timelines, but enthusiasm is contagious. if they wrote more frequently to share their enthusiasm about what they are working on, it would go a long way toward keeping people optimisitic and interested in a game that has a lot of potential.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Maybe some people want to kick vaporware trolls' heads in because they act like arrogant and cocky bastards? Sorry, I may have a lot more patience than some people here ( not a lot but hey, I try ) but I can honestly understand why, plus nice work on trying to twist what the guy was saying, he wasn't making any threats at all. If you lot don't want to be interpreted as trolls, stop lying, stop making up facts, stop taking quotes out of context and stop acting like general arses, acting all arrogant and cocky does NOTHING to help you with your arguments and it in fact just makes people hate you even when otherwise you might be right.
Some folks here may be angry, but they're sure as hell are right, vaporware trolls have done nothing but spam vaporware everywhere without bringing up any good arguments whatsoever, moreover they don't even acknowledge when they are wrong and when pressed with more questions they just spam "It doesn't matter because it's vaporware", I can understand perfectly why some people are pissed off with trolls, it doesn't matter if they've been waiting for however many years, that gives them no right to act like arrogant bastards when they talk to people, I just simply feel sorry for them mostly because it's clear the idiots haven't even bothered to research things like how long a real MMORPG takes to develop, it's nothing but blatant bashing, if they did something like claim that Warhammer Online or Age of Conan was vaporware everyone would jump on them, they're just clearly picking Darkfall because there hasn't been much public coverage on the game and over-exaggerated hype.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
In case you didn't realize I wasn't actually aiming it at anyone in particular but you seemed greatly under that I was, but let me put it this way, saying stuff like "inconvienient truths" is arrogant enough, you've also constantly said it's just your opinion and that you can't see how it's a fact. You may not be saying it's vaporware, but from what I've seen you certainly do seem to be doing some trolling there, there is nothing wrong with being critical of Darkfall's development they've made mistakes in the past like announcing the game and beta too early but they are well on their way with the development and that is a fact.
As far as I have experienced Adventurine has given us better communication than what some of the mainstream companies have done who ironically are the ones who stay almost entirely quiet only giving out newsletters and bits of information on their websites. Oh by the way please don't quote me when I'm one or two posts above you otherwise I'll quite happily block you, I consider it a waste of bandwith and people who do that are usually just covering up how little they've written.
As I said I had never meant that to be directed at anyone in particular, just the vaporware trolls, if your so offended by it then maybe you should stop and look back at what you've been typing, there is also another possible reason that some of the Darkfall community is extremely pissed off at the trolls, some of us are Pre-Cu SWG vets and this game may well be the closest thing we'll ever get to what that game was like ever again, not to mention Adventurine's an independent company.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
"But untill the developers demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that they can deliver on thier promisses we are doomed to constant arguement and speculation untill we get an official resolution."or official cancellation...
After reading about the details of the recent appearance of dark fall google ad words advertisements and managing to get them to display for me after a while, I could not resist the infectious optimism starting to take over again when considering recent releases of information.
Brannoc an adminstrator on the dark fall official forums said concerning the ad words
"This is new. A few other sites should be carrying similar things.It won't appear infinite times everyday."
I cannot find any confirmation by the developers but I think its safe to assume this is probably officially sanctioned.
Could this possibly the start of a larger advertisement campaign to generate interest for the possible announcement of something major?
I don’t see how they could think only google ad words will be enough to achieve broad market spectrum saturation or be competitive in the market place, unless they are hoping to generate interest by word of mouth.
But how can they generate positive word of mouth using only google ad words without a much improved public relations effort and a massive release of new information demonstrating the major features implemented or starting beta?
I cannot understand why the developers would think it would be advantageous for them to start an ad word campaign on google or any form of advertisements but not then make a major announcement concerning beta /release or new detailed information soon after.
Considering these quotes in relation to the recent start of the ad words campaign from Asp’s preview the latest war cry journal and developer update
"This is going to be a short journal. I was originally planning to give you a preview of the game in this installment but I didn't have the time to put it together."
Possibly explains why Asp did not mention any major features and only the basics in his preview, the developers might be planning to make there own more detailed and in-depth preview to co-inside with a possible major announcement, I still don’t find this really explanation adequate.
"If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met."
"Right now they are almost done with a new build that might be a candidate for beta. They seemed to indicate that they hoped for this build to reach stability by the end of October."
Is it possible that the stability problems are going to be solved for this latest beta build and that all conditions have been met to announce a specific beta date? I personally cannot see why the developers would start an advertisement campaign unless this is happening.
If this is all optimistic speculation and there is no major announcement around the end of October then I feel it is a mistake by the developers to attempt to draw more attention to this game by advertising without demonstrating publicly what they have achieved so far or announce beta.
Its only going to result in more disgruntled followers who have experienced another let down, or give any potential new comers to the game a bad impression and of course give free ammo to any critics of the developers.
0k21, as perhaps a humorous illustration of differences; As a pre-CU SWG Vet myself, I would expect most SWG vets to be cautious, or as is my cause cautiously optimistic, lest they find disappointment in what was to be a refuge. I wouldn't say that optimism precludes critical interpretation of information though.
I think, in the idea of SWG vets being cautious, there was a lot of hope (at one point) that Tabula Rasa would be the next landing place for SWG vets. It had the Sci-fi setting and the proper names involved. At this point, to read posts about TR today, I couldn't imagine an SWG vet going there for the feature fix they are looking for.
Anecdotal though it may be, it certainly adds to the desire to know more about the state of a product that may actually address a lot of those features certain players are looking for. I see the anxiousness about Darkfall as a positive thing. People want to be excited about it. As such, they want more information that they can share with other people who may be interested.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I admit mklinic I have been very cautious when it comes to companies these days, in fact I wish I could go back to the old days where I could just pick up a game, play it and decide whether I like it there and then without having to look at the company logo and history, games are being taken so seriously today it's ridiculous I NEVER used to see debates like "Is WoW better than Warhammer?" or incredibly even stuff like "Darkfall and WoW?" sure, they may use similar systems, but why the hell must they be constantly grouped in together and not just accepted as their own franchise/game?
I personally did not fall for the Tabula Rasa hype, the idea that they were trying to go for a first person shooter element feel and mix it in with RPG just screamed NGE to me since that's what SOE was trying to originally accomplish, though admittedly they outright said that they were looking at turning it into a third person shooter style RPG. If your not going to celebrate the game or the developer that came up with the ideas for this game, then at least accept the concept, I am certainly not JUST defending this game and hopefully clicking refresh, I am actually looking at other MMORPG's like EVE Online and Chronicles of Spellborn, I think any original idea that comes up in the industry should well and truly be supported regardless of how people may feel, why? Because in the end if we don't all we're going to do is get these crappy grind clones which have little to no depth in them beyond a talent tree and 8 different classes to choose from ( which seems to be the industry standard for these types of games nowadays ) by the way, Polarization in case you didn't notice I've kept my promise and I've blocked you, have fun trolling in your own because at least the others had the decency to leave the topic when they were proven wrong, I hate people who take my quotes out of context which is why I despise quoting in the first place, if your going to quote me then use "'s like normal writers do.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I found something interesting concerning the speculation made by myself and others previously about the possible motivations for the dark fall developers apparent emphasis on guilds and there members for there public relations events/articles.
As demonstrated most recently by the preview by Asp but also the past preview’s or reports from guild members or people directly associated with the developers like forum moderators.
As I was in a guild that applied for the start of the guild beta in 2005 I obviously know this was planned before it was canceled but I was not in a position of authority within the guild to be part of the process, can anyone confirm if they received a similar email to this ?
Klat,
We would like to invite your clan to participate in the Darkfall clan beta (www.darkfallonline.com) . If you would be so kind as to reply to info@razorwax.com
we would be happy to send you registration information and allow you to reserve your clan name whether you play Darkfall or not.
You've received this email for at least one of the following reasons:
If you feel you've received this in error, we apologize for the inconvenience. This message is sent out without any follow-up.
Looking forward to seeing you in the Darkfall Beta
Cheers,
Tasos Flambouras
Associate Producer - Darkfall
www.darkfallonline.com
link http://www.guildcafe.com/showthread.php?t=16639&page=8
I also noticed that the LOD public darkfall forums description is
Darkfall.. another game to lust over until you buy it.. erm we fully endorse this non-vaporware game.
seems to show they are willing to publicaly endorse dark fall based on a preview that many people found unsatisfactory. Of course as other have mentioned Asp may not of disclosed everything in the preview but that poses more questions.
It appears as more evidence to show the general attitude of the developers is to attempt to ingratiate themselves with guild’s, by offering exclusive access and appealing to the egos of there members.
It appears that one of there core marketing strategy’s has always been to limit exposure except for guilds and there members who are already committed to supporting them or who do so after receiving perks.
Also I get the impression they are relying on word of mouth spread between guilds who are possibly already favorably inclined towards the concepts of dark fall to generate interest and support in the community.
That the developers for reasons we can only speculate about, seem to have a policy of emphasizing access to beta and access for the majority of the previews and interview’s, reports etc. to guilds and there members I think reflects detrimentally on there public image for the majority of us not involved with these guilds
could be the game will probly start out like eve
start low on subs enough to have a server farily full then get big there spending more time on game dev than hyping there game
Well if they're so caught up with guilds than why not let one in for testing now?