Last time logged in? Yesterday. Recently I happened to log into my old Station account and looked at the subscription status: surprise! It said it was "Pending", and would be open for 30 days until "stacked time" was used up. So I went in for a look. And 5 days later it is suddenly closed again, with no more notice than when it opened. SWG is certainly better than when NGE launched, but still shallow, narrow, and mostly empty. City of Heroes offers greater template diversity these days, but alas no social side.
I agree with you people need to get over it for gods sake, you can start by geting over our bitterness.
Our bitterness has not taken annything away from you. I am sorry if addressing an issue and not leting it drop is not what you like others to do. I bet you enjoy a beter way of life becuse others have been bothered to say something and not let it drop. Maybe not, some people always take whats given and are happy with it.
I would think by reading the threads about Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer beoind woring about what the vocal minority is doing.
Here comes your Gauntlet.
When was the last time I Logged INTO SW:G? November 1, 2007
Pre-2006? Yep it was Nov 2007 Nov
Expertise for Spy or Smuggler? I had a ranged spy imp rank general
Chapter 6 AI Combat adjustment? Yep saw them change all that around so that some things could not be beaten untill they adjusted what they broke with the blanket changes with out reguard what what little content there realy is. I Saw the compleat nerfing of spy by having cloak fail if you incounter lag in combat and an attack registers as striking after you where already cloaked. I saw first hand the infeasability of spy in PVE
Chapter 7 The Return of Aurilla, Dathomir, Heroics and Collections? Yep saw them and let my subscription run out. Even had freinds offer to pay for my subscription if i would come back. the game was not fun anuff to play even for free
Chapter 8 Space Collections and ISD Heroic? Nope i left after chapter 7, I guess that means i dont get to have an opion on what was and still is broken in the game.
Take advantage of the 14 or 21 Day Trials? Or the Buddy Program? Yep, I took advantage of the 14 day about a mounth before chaper 6 hit
Anyone actually Log in to see how active Bria or Starsider or Chilastra or Gorath or Intrepid is currently? 82 days ago currently anuff or has it some how picked up in that time?
Too chicken to log in and find that you might actually enoy it? Wrong but admit it made you all tingely to call every one a chicken see some times it feals good to be bitter
I was an Elder Jedi on Scylla with 8 other Elder titles I have the 2handed ORH, OHR and 4-5 jinzu razors soo what. I have also Completed the fate of the galaxy quest for the Lair crysal and have Shard of Retribution on 2 toons (other toon is only a 4 time Elder) again sooo what. Black Epsilon Ace Pilot. I have over 125 Badges and 45 exploration badges and 2 Accolades.
I am sick of seeing people like you insisting on what I should do.
I still play SWG. I still, for some unknown reason, have hope for the game.
But for every step forward that the game takes, it manages another two steps back. And that annoys the crap out of me.. enough to occasionally want to go somewhere and complain about it with people who understand.
And honestly, I just don't care if this generates bad publicity for the game. IT SHOULD. This IS NOT a game that I would recommend to new players.
The OP just came into a forum DESIGNED for players who both hate the NGE and the parties involved in making it..........AND wants to lecture us?
Nothing to see here, this guy is too stupid to even BE a troll. He must be a mindless shill, even the trolls can do better. Lemme lay it out for you scooter, no one here likes "new" SWG. The public response to it was so large that it WARRANTED a forum all to itself here. Do you see ANY other MMO on this site with such a forum? What! YOU DONT!!!!!!????
I think that speaks for itself quite well enough. We hate it, we hate the premise behind it, we hate the standard it set for what a company can get away with, we hate the people behind it, and we have ever right to. Moreso, we have an obligation to our fellow consumers to inform them of our experiences with both the game and its producers because THEY certainly have shown to be more inclined for dishonesty at every turn. The consumer relies on us for this, and I for one take great pride in making sure people KNOW.
The best part is that I spend less time doing it than you likely did coming here for your crusade. I often spend most my time telling people about other, more successful, games on this site and working with betas so I can help other game companies improve and polish their own games. Then I go and play the MMO I currently enjoy, and don't think twice about SWG. This current trend of you crusaders ranting about our lack of a life is pretty much the saddest grabbing of straws I have ever seen. Do you REALLY have no other leg to stand on? Because this one is pretty crippled.
THank you, and goodbye. You may go back to that steaming pile of flith to support them and their backhanded leaders. You will win no one over here, and your sorry attempt at aggression has done little more than help kill what little respect we still have left for the current players.
I've come back three separate times in 2007, either on a vet trial or paying for a month.
News Flash: Game is still NGE and still sucks.
Skill system gone, lag still here, playerbase are 12 year old l337zozrs jerks, bugs bugs bugs bugs and bugs, crafting killed by no decay and loot being god, hyperinflation, mining now useless, BennyHill combat, 20+ servers now ghost towns (including mine), PvP has turned in the buff wars, no strategy needed in combat any more, no reason to group, most guilds gone, most player cities gone, most veteran players gone, all sense of community gone, credit farmers still here ( I don't know why), devs have no vision past their next paycheck or leave as soon as they can, lead dev is still a tool (Blix ruined AS as far back as the CU), continued terrible customer service (now in Hindi for your enjoyment), UI is horrible, instances are broken, original content on planets is borked, collections are a waste of time, GCW is for exploiting basebusters, no help for new players, no welcome for old players, no effort to get any players, and on most days, there is NOTHING AT ALL TO DO.
There is a lot of cool CONTENT that they are missing out on because they can't take a minute and give it a try. 99% of the People that played SW:G and left because of the CURB or NGE or whatever the reason was can afford to Blow 15 bucks to try this game now for 30 days or until they get bored with it. 2 new Jedi Crystals, New specials and procs, SEA's are back in stackable ways...
I will admit to being an Elder Ranger for Life....but after over 1100 days on my main server I am still having Fun with the game.
And I still catch a forum ban for telling Sony what I think.
Come back...its Fun again.
If its so much fun and the game is full of people, then why are you here trying to convince people to come back? Telling them to come back and that its fun, looks kinda desperate imo. Every single one of you people who come here trying to spread your lies that the game are just desperate, if its go good, then play the game. You want to help the game and try to get it more subs, post your reviews on game sites, not in meaningless threads like this b/c you arent doing anything to help but look like you are desperate on getting people to play an empty game.
Im glad you still like to give Song hell for what they did, but just do yourself a favor and go play the game and leave those of us who hate the game alone. I am a former Master Creature Handler, i was a master 3 weeks after release and was master creature handler up until they destroyed my profession, so coming here and telling people like me to come back and that the game is fun is bullcrap, the game was fun for me when i was able to TAME babies and raise my pets, not cook them. If i wanted to do that, i would have went with BE when the game was released.
I had 22 pets that took me weeks and months to get, rare babies that took months to get... now look at them now.
I dont care what anyone says, they can come here and praise SOE and SWG that its the savior of all games, i will never forgive and never forget. So, you people are just wasting your breath coming here and trying to convince people like me on coming back, i know what the game is like, i have seen and played it... its crap, and it will remain crap till its shutdown.
There is a lot of cool CONTENT that they are missing out on because they can't take a minute and give it a try. 99% of the People that played SW:G and left because of the CURB or NGE or whatever the reason was can afford to Blow 15 bucks to try this game now for 30 days or until they get bored with it. 2 new Jedi Crystals, New specials and procs, SEA's are back in stackable ways...
I will admit to being an Elder Ranger for Life....but after over 1100 days on my main server I am still having Fun with the game.
And I still catch a forum ban for telling Sony what I think.
Come back...its Fun again.
If its so much fun and the game is full of people, then why are you here trying to convince people to come back? Telling them to come back and that its fun, looks kinda desperate imo. Every single one of you people who come here trying to spread your lies that the game are just desperate, if its go good, then play the game. You want to help the game and try to get it more subs, post your reviews on game sites, not in meaningless threads like this b/c you arent doing anything to help but look like you are desperate on getting people to play an empty game.
Im glad you still like to give Song hell for what they did, but just do yourself a favor and go play the game and leave those of us who hate the game alone. I am a former Master Creature Handler, i was a master 3 weeks after release and was master creature handler up until they destroyed my profession, so coming here and telling people like me to come back and that the game is fun is bullcrap, the game was fun for me when i was able to TAME babies and raise my pets, not cook them. If i wanted to do that, i would have went with BE when the game was released.
I had 22 pets that took me weeks and months to get, rare babies that took months to get... now look at them now.
I dont care what anyone says, they can come here and praise SOE and SWG that its the savior of all games, i will never forgive and never forget. So, you people are just wasting your breath coming here and trying to convince people like me on coming back, i know what the game is like, i have seen and played it... its crap, and it will remain crap till its shutdown.
CH's are the people I feel for the most, actually. I rant about SWG plenty...but what I lost was nothing compared to what you did. That was one of the most awesome class ideals I have ever seen. SWG lost plenty of those in the NGE though....*sigh*.
What better way could you spend your short lifespan on this mortal coil then complaining day after day about a GAME. Thats right I said it, a GAME. Lets face it, there is nothing more important to accomplish in our existance than complain relentlessly about a GAME.
There is a lot of cool CONTENT that they are missing out on because they can't take a minute and give it a try. 99% of the People that played SW:G and left because of the CURB or NGE or whatever the reason was can afford to Blow 15 bucks to try this game now for 30 days or until they get bored with it. 2 new Jedi Crystals, New specials and procs, SEA's are back in stackable ways...
I will admit to being an Elder Ranger for Life....but after over 1100 days on my main server I am still having Fun with the game.
And I still catch a forum ban for telling Sony what I think.
Come back...its Fun again.
Well to begin, I got past being angry at SOE some time ago. That's a response to the title of your thread, so I may not be your target audience.
I do want to point out though that you've just told people that they're whiners, moaners, chicken, have no life, that they need to grow a clue...and then you invite them to come and have fun with you.
Insulting people tends not to be a successful recruitment campaign.
Questions I'd have about SWG at this point would be:
Have they fixed the bug that doesn't allow some team members to enter instances? I reported that 2 years ago.
Have they fixed the bug that doesn't have waypoint arrows point to the actual waypoint, and that gets the distance wrong? I reported that about 3 years ago.
What about the bug where npc's shoot you down through walls...and floors. That was annoying at any point, but once the game turned into more of an fps style, the lack of collision detection became more than just annoying; it was, and is, absurd.
How 'bout the bug that has high level npc targets with nice loot consistently spawning in objects, rendering them unattackable? I reported that over 3 years ago.
Here's another question that goes along the same lines. The guy that misled everyone by taking their money for the Trials of ObiWan expansion, and then releasing the surprise change to core game mechanics that deleted or disabled many of the features the day after our visa payments cleared. Yeah that guy, Smedley I think was his name. Is he still in charge of things over there?
Are any of those issues that vets have expressed concerns about for in fact more than 2 years still problems? I expect they all are. In fact I think they are all still just the same as they were.
How 'bout this one: Are people who enjoy the NGE (fine with me btw) still insulting people who didn't like they way they were treated by SOE? Are they still calling vets whiners, telling them to get a life etc.? This started pretty much the day after the NGE went live, and judging from your post here now, that hasn't changed either.
I hope this response facilitates some much needed self-awareness for players like yourself, and perhaps for SOE in general.
Just below is a cut & paste in another MMO forum when someone asked about SWG. I naturally obliged. I also cut out the names from those asking questions.
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I never played SWG, but I've been hearing alot about issues with the jedi...what exactly happened? Were they made much more powerful than everything else?
(cut away name) touched on some of the points, but I want to add a few (long) things, so bear with me if you're interested Alot of it went with how development drastically changed the game and how Star Wars canon was treated.
SWG came out in Summer 2003 (July?). I joined up in Feb 2004. For quite a while, the game focus was, surprisingly for a Star Wars game, NOT ON JEDI. There were no "Classes" as most MMOs were and still are set up. You had 250 skillpoints to spend. As you progress and gain experience in the proper fields, you spent skillpoints on boxes within different "Professions" with more advanced ones that branch off basic ones. Some of the professions were: Bounty Hunter, Scout (basic), Marksman (basic), Rifleman, Doctor, Medic (basic), Pikeman, etc. You could specialize your character for specific roles like pure ranged, pure melee, pure healing, or mix to your desire... we called a fully set skillset for a character a "template." You gained XPs for performing your abilities, not generic XPs. If you maxed out your template and wanted to try something else, no problem, you drop skillboxes (and lose the XPs & abilities from those skills) as needed and work your way to another template. There wasn't as big a need to be a "Alt-a-Holic" like many MMOs, most were content with their 1 major character. Anyways, I loved this Skillpoint system. There was always a big talk on the forums on new effective templates. There were some that gained alot of favoritism, i.e. "Flavor of the Month Template." But the true beauty of the old SWG (Pre-NGE) was that YOU could make your OWN effective template. Heck, I played a ranged specialist that became an Imperial Stormtrooper for his entire existence in SWG before I left at the "NGE."
Also, in the old days in SWG, the vast majority of the player characters, hands down, were NOT Jedi... and we were content. Jedi players WERE there. But they were extremely rare and if experienced enough, could wipe the floor with several fully templated "normal template" characters. But it was fine, they were rare. The Jedi also had Permadeath. x3 deaths, that character was GONE. It was hard becoming a Jedi. It was hard training one up. It was hard maintaining one, especially with Bounty Hunters and the Empire looking for you. Supposedly, if you were too noticeable, Darth Vader would personally come looking for you with his own entourage of Imperial forces, but this never happened.
Anyways, Jedi were extremely rare long ago, and they kept hidden. If they flashed their abilities to the wrong people, they'd gain visibility and they could pop up on Bounty Hunter Mission Terminals for BH players to get missions on them. The monetary rewards for BH back then were horrible, but the hardcore, true BH's took the missions for the PVP rush and the "Hunt" since Jedi were always wary of detection, moved around alot. Because of all of this, Jedi were always talked about in awe... something mystical about them among players. When you saw a Jedi player, it was an awesome experience. I remember patrolling my Stormtrooper in Dantooine, running missions and exploring. I saw combat and flashing in the distance in the hills. I took my Speederbike and hauled a** there to check it out. There I saw a Jedi swamped with numerous creatures. I could have been a good Trooper and attacked him while he was still heavily engaged and stand a good chance of taking him down. But he was the first Jedi I ever saw in the game and I was amazed. After a while, he finally finished off the attacking creatures and noticed me on a hillside with my big T-21 blaster. He said, "Oh, you weren't supposed to see that..." I replied, "No problem Jedi. You're the first I've ever seen in the game and I'm happy for it. I'll let you go but I did have my chance to nail you!" "Alright then, we part. Next time, it's on!" "Good to go Jedi, next time!"
Like I said, Jedi were extremely rare. The majority of us were "normal," and the true makeup of the Star Wars universe. The Galactic Civil War between the Empire & Rebellion was dominated by blasters and melee weaponry (not necessarily Lightsabers, but you did see Melee weapons in SW movies). It wasn't perfect, but there was a great participation in the GCW. I remember my PVP abilities weren't the best. I was useful to have around, but I wasn't a player to turn around a big PVP fight. But by far my best contribution to the Empire was on recruiting drives, decked out in Stormtrooper armor, getting new players to support the Empire and crushing the Rebellion. I got alot of people to join up, not necessarily on a guild (I never joined a guild), but just to join the Empire. They'll get a guild on their own soon enough
Lastly, in the old days of SWG, we had anywhere between 200k-300k players, depending on who you asked back then. For Pre-WoW numbers, those were great, especially since SWG was ripped on reviews on release (rightfully so IMO). This was another huge deal IMO. The Skillpoint / Template system put alot of interdependence, so everyone was needed and brought something useful to the table. Merchants / Crafters were ESSENTIAL to the economy. The best gear 99% of the time were made BY CRAFTERS... they just needed the exotic materials to build the weapon / armor / gear of your dreams. I loved blasters to high heaven. There were many, many good crafters and businessmen. There were a bunch that had not one ounce of fighting ability, just totally dedicated to Merchant & Crafting aspects of the game, and they enjoyed it. They enjoyed the crafting, making money, and of course, interacting with customers. Like everyone else, there were certain Crafters that I favored. While out in the wild or doing missions with a group, or even posting on the forums, you could debate who the best Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, etc. is "No, no, ___ based out of Naboo is the best Weaponsmith. You seen his T-21's?" "Yeah, that guy's good, but ___ out of Corellia is just as good and has a wider selection." Items had decay... eventually they break for good. You could repair their "Condition" but never back to full. Play it right, and your gear could last a good while. But because gear wears down (lower condition, lower stats until repaired), the Crafters always had business. "Hey man, that T-21 you made for me finally broke. I need another one " "Sure thing, but since you come to me all the time, I'll give you a 25% discount off this high end one over here." "Awesome, that's why you're the s**t, I'll put out good word for you out there."
Another thing about the large player population and interdependence... there were Medical Facilities and Cantinas (bars, etc). You needed to go to a Medical Facility to recover physical wounds after a long adventure. Medic players were there to take care of you (alot actually). You chatted with the Medics, and it was standard procedure among the playerbase to tip them fairly. After all, a good number of these Medics also did not put an ounce into Combat Professions, just pure healing (and they were d**n good too). You also went to them to remove some really nasty diseases you can catch from creatures. Also, Cantinas. There were Entertainers. Dancers, Musicians, etc. Live players. Again, a very good number of these Entertainers were purely devoted to it, not combat or anything else. These players enjoyed playing the Entertainment aspect of SWG and the very heavy social life of an Entertainer in the game. To recover "Mind Wounds" you needed to watch / listen to an Entertainer, and you recover after a while. Because of that, EVERY adventurer would go to a Cantina eventually, just like a Medical Facility and the same interaction with Entertainers as you did with the Healers. Also, everyone had their favorite Entertainer. My Stormtrooper's favorite was this blue Twi'lek girl who worked out of Bestine, Tatooine's Cantina all the time (a favorite place for us Imperials). The Cantinas tended to have a good number of players. It was a very important social hub for the players to gather, recover, and chat. Some of them, especially the Cantinas at Bestine & Mos Eisley, Tatooine, Theed on Naboo, and ESPECIALLY the one at Coronet, Corellia, were jampacked with players. Think of the largest, fullest, most successful Night Clubs in real life you've been in... some of the Cantinas in SWG were that full, all with socializing players and Entertainers. You could easily lose hours chatting there when you should be doing some adventuring!
Now comes the bad part, how the game drastically changed direction over time. In the wake of WoW, someone higher up obviously wanted those subscription numbers. 200k-300k was not good enough, even for Pre-WoW standards and the large, loyal playerbase we had. Changes were made to try to cater to outside players and "to hell with the current playerbase."
Jedi. Jedi as I said were extremely rare but revered by the players. But as you know, Jedi make great marketing tools. Eventually, all the risks of being a Jedi were gone. Permadeath was removed. Before "Publish 9" Jedi were rare (many players never saw a Jedi before this Publish). After Publish 9, they were EVERYWHERE. You saw them parading around, dueling out in the open, even in Imperial centers of power in the game. Jedi were becoming more and more frequent to see. They took a hit in power also, but were still very, very capable. The Jedi also began to receive more and more Publish / patching attention. There were professions that haven't received any attention while Jedi received several go-overs by the devs (Old School Squad Leaders, Smugglers, I still remember you guys). Since Jedi were becoming numerically dominant, in a twisted screw-over of Star Wars canon, Jedi characters dominated the PVP in importance and numbers. There began at one point where non-Jedi players were looked down upon and not wanted in PVP groups. You HAD to be a Jedi, which was complete, utter BS, IMO. Also, seeing monitors filled with Jedi fighting in the IMPERIAL era, where Jedi were practically gone, made a sick feeling in the stomach if you had any appreciation for the Original Trilogy's storyline. "Wow, I see 10 Jedi Masters here. Why did Yoda and Obi-Wan rest their hopes on a Moisture Farmer from Tatooine?" Even now in SWG, I guarantee you that you will see maybe 60-75% of the players out there to be Jedi. GUARANTEED! In another twisted take on Star Wars, you will see more Jedi in SWG than you will Stormtroopers. That, IMO, is screwing canon over with no Vaseline and no reach around.
Also, to try to woo over different customers, the gameplay was heavily, heavily, mind-numbingly, oversimplified. The Skillpoint / Template System was removed. Entire professions were removed. SWG went with the copout route and went with standard single classes with no room for differentiation between others of the same class. They tried to put differentiation after the "NGE" (New Game Enhancements) via "Expertise" but really, they didn't differentiate you that much, especially in contrast to the "Pre-NGE" days.
Star Wars canon. I already mentioned the canon-**** via Jedi Legions. Another thing, especially with the Prequel movies coming out (Ep.II, III), was that every new release had something to do with the Old Republic. It was fine for a while, but jeez, it seemed like the devs forgot that the game was set in the IMPERIAL ERA. Gear from the Old Republic was somehow absolutely superior to anything fielded by the Empire and Rebellion (I won't even get into the space portion which was screwed over by Jedi Starfighters and the craft released with it).
Character animations. "Pre-NGE" in the old days of SWG, character animations were GREAT. Blaster recoils, aiming, and effects, fighting animations, etc. SWG had great, extensive animations. Teras Kasi Masters had great animations, but Jedi by far had the sweetest fighting animations
With the oversimplified NGE, animations were chopped up. HORRIBLY. If you can imagine hyper speed combat with stick figures, that's what the NGE has now. Entire arrays of combat animations were removed. The animations for melee and ranged combat aiming to relative to the target's position (higher, lower) to your character is gone. For example: If my Stormtrooper was firing his blaster at a dirty Rebel at a lower elevation, his blaster would still be aimed straight ahead, but the blaster bolts coming out of the barrel will fly out in an angle towards the target. The same holds true with Melee attacks. It looked utterly ridiculous (and still does since they can't fix it... or just won't fix it).
Edit to add: The NGE also introduced a ridiculous amount of particle effects. I mean, so many actions in game result in these effects, especially combat. Hmm, I wonder if they were trying to hide the shortcomings of the NGE animations by blinding the players with overuse of particle effects. Really, Star Wars didn't make use of blinding effects all the time. Sparingly, actually.
SOE ethics. I can get into a long rant about it. But I'll just leave it to the "Trials of Obi-Wan" expansion. Up to the release of the expansion pack, we were still a bit in the old system (Combat Upgrade era, but we still had the Template System and holdovers from the original system). But after the expansion pack was released and went to the "Live Servers" that's when the UNANNOUNCED NGE changes were made (removed the template system, removal of certain character professions, oversimplified combat). We didn't want the system. We didn't even talk about it with the devs before it occured. When the s**t hit the fan, all sorts of people walked out. I lingered around a while hoping the old system would come back, but I was fooling myself, so I left and said goodbye to my veteran Stormtrooper.
There were so many stupid things that occured as development progressed over SWG's lifespan. The NGE was widely hated and many left. When I left, the Cantinas were practically empty. There were no longer any social hubs where players gathered on a wide basis... probably because there were no longer enough players...
I'm not saying everything was perfect in the "Pre-NGE" days. No, we had problems, but I feel safe to say many of us would live with those problems than the a**-****** we took in that game for us to leave.
SWG's reputation is well beyond repair. I log into other MMOs, and usually on General Chat type of channels, talk of MMO comparisons usually pop up. But SWG, gets ripped. Justifiably too. Sometimes, out of loyalty to the Old, Pre-NGE SWG, I want to defend it. But then I remember the a**-****** leading to many fellow SWG players leaving, including myself, and I can't find myself defending the game anymore. The old SWG that many of us loved was GONE... they didn't even pull the plug out of the game, it's still there. They just changed it to an unrecognizable, horrible form. It felt like they took the "Welcome" doormat from underneath us.
If you read all the way down here, thanks for checking my long rant about SWG's history, even though it's not the complete history. You also must be really, really, really bored and / or have alot of patience! But I truly hope no other MMO player has to go through that stupid s**t that we did in that game. Jeez Louise...
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So... after all that happened above, after having loyally played for 2 years and then getting shafted by SOE, I'm expected to not have my say about how this game went?
As for trying the game again and seeing it? No. I've seen enough. My 'sis still plays and I see enough of it. Oh, I know the devs have put in more content.
But there are still several, major fundamental flaws with SWG:
** SOE's reputation. Really, their decision making over the course of the game's history was "interesting" to put it kindly, even before the NGE. The NGE was just the final straw to me.
** The NGE is still there. Sorry, I loved the Skillpoint / Template System. It gave me the flexibility of play, the freedom of choice that I wanted. For once, I was playing a game where I had the choice and was not forced into a cookie cutter class. Even the NGE's expertise does little to differentiate... nowhere near what was once possible with the SP / Template System.
** The SWG player community has been utterly destroyed, like a plague hitting a city. The community of the Pre-NGE days is gone, and never, ever will return. The sheer amount of groups are gone. The large amount of interaction of crafters and adventurers are gone. The large amount of interaction with everyone with Entertainers is gone.
Gone, gone, gone, and from what I've seen on my Sister's gaming: It hasn't changed since I left.
I've heard someone say, "Well, everyone's on Kashyyyk and Mustafar now."
Ha! There was a time before the NGE where I could find lots of people on Corellia, Naboo, Tatooine, Dantooine, Dathomir, and Lok (for some good backwoods PvP on Ahazi).
Anyways, I have moved onto other games, other pursuits. But it feels so gosh darned good to kick the festering SWG horse as I move on. Especially if someone asks about it.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
What better way could you spend your short lifespan on this mortal coil then complaining day after day about a GAME. Thats right I said it, a GAME. Lets face it, there is nothing more important to accomplish in our existance than complain relentlessly about a GAME.
Not a game, an industry standard.
And, frankly, your even more pathetic for wasting precious time coming all the way out here to COMPLAIN about people complaining about a game. By the measure of your logic, all complaining is a waste of time. To which, I feel, I must add that without such feedback our world would not have things like the Better Business Bureau to provide information to the consumer, or worker, about the things they are getting involved in.
Face it, without us you have no one to tell you about actual problems out there. I'd certainly love a world where everything was happy and swell....but thats not reality. IN reality there are a lot of people who simply just don't have your interest in heart at all. When that happens, you deserve to know about it.
I really think the new Beast mastery system offers everything cool from CH and BE rolled together... and you can add it to any profession through the expertise system. If you had old pets from being an elder CH... not only can you recreate those pet's from their DNA, they are still worth 40m+ each just as a stuffed pet with no DNA. If you had a Rancor, you can make it in to either a fighting pet or a mount. I think the new pet advancement system is more in-depth and intuitive than the old system.. the end result is still pretty satisfying.
I was away from the game for about 18 months, and I have been back for about 2 now. I spent all my gaming time in that year and a half trying to find a game to replace pre-cu SWG... and finally decided nothing is closer than the current SWG. It really isn't as bad as it was right after NGE dropped. While it is admittedly a pathetic shadow if it's former self, if your looking for either a sandbox or a sci-fi game, it's still better than anything else out right now.... and it's still Star Wars.
I hate that I am defending this game, and I'm sure i said I'd never play it or any other SOE game again.... but I just got tired of punishing myself because I was mad at them. I guess the bounds of my hypocracy remain undiscovered.
I really think the new Beast mastery system offers everything cool from CH and BE rolled together... and you can add it to any profession through the expertise system. If you had old pets from being an elder CH... not only can you recreate those pet's from their DNA, they are still worth 40m+ each just as a stuffed pet with no DNA. If you had a Rancor, you can make it in to either a fighting pet or a mount. I think the new pet advancement system is more in-depth and intuitive than the old system.. the end result is still pretty satisfying. I was away from the game for about 18 months, and I have been back for about 2 now. I spent all my gaming time in that year and a half trying to find a game to replace pre-cu SWG... and finally decided nothing is closer than the current SWG. It really isn't as bad as it was right after NGE dropped. While it is admittedly a pathetic shadow if it's former self, if your looking for either a sandbox or a sci-fi game, it's still better than anything else out right now.... and it's still Star Wars. I hate that I am defending this game, and I'm sure i said I'd never play it or any other SOE game again.... but I just got tired of punishing myself because I was mad at them. I guess the bounds of my hypocracy remain undiscovered.
I dunno about you, but I have other things I can do in my life if I can't find a game to play. I have a guitar and my band I can go have fun with. I'm sure my wife and I can do SOMETHING for fun. I never once felt like I was punishing myself by not playing. Even if the game was remotely fun, I know that the only reason I ever played SWG was for its open-ended sandbox style and, with that gone, it holds nothing for me anymore.
Worse, allowing myself to play this game for any reason OTHER than a rollback is essentially admitting to SOE that they can do whatever they want to their consumers and get away with it. I'd rather just stare at the wall, but I don't expect everyone to share my particular motivations in this regard so don't take that the wrong way. I certainly don't feel you deserve to be denied your fun with it.
I do feel that going back to it is essentially you handing them a free pass to treat you in any way they want to, however. You've just admitted to them that you will accept it and likely take it again.
Came back, actually payed till the creature handler rolled out. didn't care for it , they took creature handler and turned it into a craft fest. cya, bye. don't need a poll, I voted the only way that matters, THE MONEY
I tried WoW during the Pre CU and said that game blows and laughed,,the CU i didnt like the forced grouping bit and the whole CL thing, even worse the 1st wave of reward and loot weapons came on the scene.
the NGE hit everything was destoyed and then it was like some kind of screwed up hybrid FPS and everyone knows that the CORE of the game has been broken and everything they pile in is just adding pig crap to pile of cow crap!! its still just crap...
They said give them 6 months and 2 years later all i can say it WTF!!!!???? lol i played all the way till the first few weeks of chapter 7 and the ironic thing is that i tried WoW around chapter 6 and said Wow thats actually alot better than this NGE crap at least that game works!!
So at the End EVE is my main Tabula Rasa is my Zergfest whatever game and WoW is just my laid back hang out with friends game.. wich once i did it all in SWG but thats all gone.
Now am i bitter? no not really i loved the Pre CU bigtime despite all the bugs and such its still the best MMO of all time for me! it was the skill system,crafter economy,Jedi grind,playing with different temps and all the people you met along the way.... the pre cu was so far ahead of its time!
But im not bitter i could care less about SWG now, F#ck SOE and F#ck LEC i dont need to play a Star Wars MMO ill just be happy playing another Sand Box skill based system whenever or whatever that may be!
The OP just came into a forum DESIGNED for players who both hate the NGE and the parties involved in making it..........AND wants to lecture us?
Nothing to see here, this guy is too stupid to even BE a troll. He must be a mindless shill, even the trolls can do better. Lemme lay it out for you scooter, no one here likes "new" SWG. The public response to it was so large that it WARRANTED a forum all to itself here. Do you see ANY other MMO on this site with such a forum? What! YOU DONT!!!!!!????
I think that speaks for itself quite well enough. We hate it, we hate the premise behind it, we hate the standard it set for what a company can get away with, we hate the people behind it, and we have ever right to. Moreso, we have an obligation to our fellow consumers to inform them of our experiences with both the game and its producers because THEY certainly have shown to be more inclined for dishonesty at every turn. The consumer relies on us for this, and I for one take great pride in making sure people KNOW.
The best part is that I spend less time doing it than you likely did coming here for your crusade. I often spend most my time telling people about other, more successful, games on this site and working with betas so I can help other game companies improve and polish their own games. Then I go and play the MMO I currently enjoy, and don't think twice about SWG. This current trend of you crusaders ranting about our lack of a life is pretty much the saddest grabbing of straws I have ever seen. Do you REALLY have no other leg to stand on? Because this one is pretty crippled.
THank you, and goodbye. You may go back to that steaming pile of flith to support them and their backhanded leaders. You will win no one over here, and your sorry attempt at aggression has done little more than help kill what little respect we still have left for the current players.
wow and i thought i could be blunt about it /salute Gishgeron
Originally posted by hipiap It's not just that they need to move on.
There is a lot of cool CONTENT that they are missing out on because they can't take a minute and give it a try. 99% of the People that played SW:G and left because of the CURB or NGE or whatever the reason was can afford to Blow 15 bucks to try this game now for 30 days or until they get bored with it. 2 new Jedi Crystals, New specials and procs, SEA's are back in stackable ways...
I will admit to being an Elder Ranger for Life....but after over 1100 days on my main server I am still having Fun with the game.
And I still catch a forum ban for telling Sony what I think.
Come back...its Fun again.
You say move on, then you say come back. Which one do you want?
I have no idea what people are trying to accomplish by defending SWG. What could you possibly hope will come out of this? People are not going to come streaming back in to this corpse of a game no matter what you say. The haters dont keep them away and you are certainly not going to get them to play. Once again as it has been said so many times on this forum.. If the game was good more people would play it... The haters would be ignored just like they are in WoW. Hell I dont think there is a game that takes more abuse on these forums than WoW and yet they have 10m players.
If all of the haters went away today what would change with SWG? Nothing at all. You come in to a forum that is dedicated to people bitching and start whining about them whining. You bash them for complaining about a game that changed 2 years ago and yet you have been complaining about them for just as long. You are more obsessed with them than they are with hating SWG.
The bottom line here is if you like SWG you win. There you go. You can go play your game and the haters can not. The victory is yours. You dont need to defend it. The haters do NOT keep anyone away from the game. They are the vocal minority. Stop trying to blame them for the games low population. If someone wants to try SWG there is a free trial. Its not the haters fault that people are not impressed enough with this game to buy it after they try it.
I have no idea what people are trying to accomplish by defending SWG. What could you possibly hope will come out of this? People are not going to come streaming back in to this corpse of a game no matter what you say. The haters dont keep them away and you are certainly not going to get them to play. Once again as it has been said so many times on this forum.. If the game was good more people would play it... The haters would be ignored just like they are in WoW. Hell I dont think there is a game that takes more abuse on these forums than WoW and yet they have 10m players. If all of the haters went away today what would change with SWG? Nothing at all. You come in to a forum that is dedicated to people bitching and start whining about them whining. You bash them for complaining about a game that changed 2 years ago and yet you have been complaining about them for just as long. You are more obsessed with them than they are with hating SWG. The bottom line here is if you like SWG you win. There you go. You can go play your game and the haters can not. The victory is yours. You dont need to defend it. The haters do NOT keep anyone away from the game. They are the vocal minority. Stop trying to blame them for the games low population. If someone wants to try SWG there is a free trial. Its not the haters fault that people are not impressed enough with this game to buy it after they try it.
As usual GreenHell you've said what needed to be said in a straight forward and respectful way.
I always enjoy reading your posts as I find your opinions quite insightful.
If it upsets you so much, perhaps you need to move on to a different forum. You need to get over people not getting over it, and being free to choose where to place blame as they see fit. It's all part of living and growing in a free society. You have to get over the fact that people will feel differently than you.
I have no idea what people are trying to accomplish by defending SWG. What could you possibly hope will come out of this? People are not going to come streaming back in to this corpse of a game no matter what you say. The haters dont keep them away and you are certainly not going to get them to play. Once again as it has been said so many times on this forum.. If the game was good more people would play it... The haters would be ignored just like they are in WoW. Hell I dont think there is a game that takes more abuse on these forums than WoW and yet they have 10m players. If all of the haters went away today what would change with SWG? Nothing at all. You come in to a forum that is dedicated to people bitching and start whining about them whining. You bash them for complaining about a game that changed 2 years ago and yet you have been complaining about them for just as long. You are more obsessed with them than they are with hating SWG. The bottom line here is if you like SWG you win. There you go. You can go play your game and the haters can not. The victory is yours. You dont need to defend it. The haters do NOT keep anyone away from the game. They are the vocal minority. Stop trying to blame them for the games low population. If someone wants to try SWG there is a free trial. Its not the haters fault that people are not impressed enough with this game to buy it after they try it.
As usual GreenHell you've said what needed to be said in a straight forward and respectful way.
I always enjoy reading your posts as I find your opinions quite insightful.
I agree as well, respectfully written but also doesnt sugarcoat the issue. I being a vet that played since the launch. I left the game not because of haters, but due to the extreme changes made to the core game to the point where it was no longer the game I played, and loved. I left because SWG no longer fit to my standards of what drew me to the game in the first place. it was like giving me gift, let me open it, enjoy it like it, become emotionally attached to it, and then rip it away and replace it with something inferior.
I cant deny that SOE has a right to change things, but they also have a right to lose customers if they change things that do not meet customers needs. Haters are the minority, I dont hate the game any more, I have moved past to a point where I no longer have or gain a emotional response to this game and its wacky misadventures. I think almost every Vet has truly moved on, despite a few being vocal.
I can say beyond a doubt that the haters dont keep new players from the game, the Game itself and the quality that is maintains or lack there of, thus where you come in, complaining and feeling confused why no one wants to play. If you go into alot of these forums people have stated many times over why they left, which are completely valid reasons even if you dont think they are. Like the VEts have moved on, I think you need to move on. But like many other people I hope you enjoy ya game.
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I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
Its a fair deal, $OE created us unwanted customers now life with our existenz and get over that fact that 250k unhappy people exist . Again fair deal.
Make us happy with PRE CU server and the amount of unhappy people would reduce propably . Fair deal again.
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It seems that OP got pwned by his own poll...
Last time logged in? Yesterday. Recently I happened to log into my old Station account and looked at the subscription status: surprise! It said it was "Pending", and would be open for 30 days until "stacked time" was used up. So I went in for a look. And 5 days later it is suddenly closed again, with no more notice than when it opened. SWG is certainly better than when NGE launched, but still shallow, narrow, and mostly empty. City of Heroes offers greater template diversity these days, but alas no social side.
I agree with you people need to get over it for gods sake, you can start by geting over our bitterness.
Our bitterness has not taken annything away from you. I am sorry if addressing an issue and not leting it drop is not what you like others to do. I bet you enjoy a beter way of life becuse others have been bothered to say something and not let it drop. Maybe not, some people always take whats given and are happy with it.
I would think by reading the threads about Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer beoind woring about what the vocal minority is doing.
Here comes your Gauntlet.
When was the last time I Logged INTO SW:G? November 1, 2007
Pre-2006? Yep it was Nov 2007 Nov
Expertise for Spy or Smuggler? I had a ranged spy imp rank general
Chapter 6 AI Combat adjustment? Yep saw them change all that around so that some things could not be beaten untill they adjusted what they broke with the blanket changes with out reguard what what little content there realy is. I Saw the compleat nerfing of spy by having cloak fail if you incounter lag in combat and an attack registers as striking after you where already cloaked. I saw first hand the infeasability of spy in PVE
Chapter 7 The Return of Aurilla, Dathomir, Heroics and Collections? Yep saw them and let my subscription run out. Even had freinds offer to pay for my subscription if i would come back. the game was not fun anuff to play even for free
Chapter 8 Space Collections and ISD Heroic? Nope i left after chapter 7, I guess that means i dont get to have an opion on what was and still is broken in the game.
Take advantage of the 14 or 21 Day Trials? Or the Buddy Program? Yep, I took advantage of the 14 day about a mounth before chaper 6 hit
Anyone actually Log in to see how active Bria or Starsider or Chilastra or Gorath or Intrepid is currently? 82 days ago currently anuff or has it some how picked up in that time?
Too chicken to log in and find that you might actually enoy it? Wrong but admit it made you all tingely to call every one a chicken see some times it feals good to be bitter
I was an Elder Jedi on Scylla with 8 other Elder titles I have the 2handed ORH, OHR and 4-5 jinzu razors soo what. I have also Completed the fate of the galaxy quest for the Lair crysal and have Shard of Retribution on 2 toons (other toon is only a 4 time Elder) again sooo what. Black Epsilon Ace Pilot. I have over 125 Badges and 45 exploration badges and 2 Accolades.
I am sick of seeing people like you insisting on what I should do.
I still play SWG. I still, for some unknown reason, have hope for the game.
But for every step forward that the game takes, it manages another two steps back. And that annoys the crap out of me.. enough to occasionally want to go somewhere and complain about it with people who understand.
And honestly, I just don't care if this generates bad publicity for the game. IT SHOULD. This IS NOT a game that I would recommend to new players.
The OP just came into a forum DESIGNED for players who both hate the NGE and the parties involved in making it..........AND wants to lecture us?
Nothing to see here, this guy is too stupid to even BE a troll. He must be a mindless shill, even the trolls can do better. Lemme lay it out for you scooter, no one here likes "new" SWG. The public response to it was so large that it WARRANTED a forum all to itself here. Do you see ANY other MMO on this site with such a forum? What! YOU DONT!!!!!!????
I think that speaks for itself quite well enough. We hate it, we hate the premise behind it, we hate the standard it set for what a company can get away with, we hate the people behind it, and we have ever right to. Moreso, we have an obligation to our fellow consumers to inform them of our experiences with both the game and its producers because THEY certainly have shown to be more inclined for dishonesty at every turn. The consumer relies on us for this, and I for one take great pride in making sure people KNOW.
The best part is that I spend less time doing it than you likely did coming here for your crusade. I often spend most my time telling people about other, more successful, games on this site and working with betas so I can help other game companies improve and polish their own games. Then I go and play the MMO I currently enjoy, and don't think twice about SWG. This current trend of you crusaders ranting about our lack of a life is pretty much the saddest grabbing of straws I have ever seen. Do you REALLY have no other leg to stand on? Because this one is pretty crippled.
THank you, and goodbye. You may go back to that steaming pile of flith to support them and their backhanded leaders. You will win no one over here, and your sorry attempt at aggression has done little more than help kill what little respect we still have left for the current players.
I've come back three separate times in 2007, either on a vet trial or paying for a month.
News Flash: Game is still NGE and still sucks.
Skill system gone, lag still here, playerbase are 12 year old l337zozrs jerks, bugs bugs bugs bugs and bugs, crafting killed by no decay and loot being god, hyperinflation, mining now useless, BennyHill combat, 20+ servers now ghost towns (including mine), PvP has turned in the buff wars, no strategy needed in combat any more, no reason to group, most guilds gone, most player cities gone, most veteran players gone, all sense of community gone, credit farmers still here ( I don't know why), devs have no vision past their next paycheck or leave as soon as they can, lead dev is still a tool (Blix ruined AS as far back as the CU), continued terrible customer service (now in Hindi for your enjoyment), UI is horrible, instances are broken, original content on planets is borked, collections are a waste of time, GCW is for exploiting basebusters, no help for new players, no welcome for old players, no effort to get any players, and on most days, there is NOTHING AT ALL TO DO.
I am sure I missed a few, it is late....
250K+ cancellations were not an accident.
If its so much fun and the game is full of people, then why are you here trying to convince people to come back? Telling them to come back and that its fun, looks kinda desperate imo. Every single one of you people who come here trying to spread your lies that the game are just desperate, if its go good, then play the game. You want to help the game and try to get it more subs, post your reviews on game sites, not in meaningless threads like this b/c you arent doing anything to help but look like you are desperate on getting people to play an empty game.
Im glad you still like to give Song hell for what they did, but just do yourself a favor and go play the game and leave those of us who hate the game alone. I am a former Master Creature Handler, i was a master 3 weeks after release and was master creature handler up until they destroyed my profession, so coming here and telling people like me to come back and that the game is fun is bullcrap, the game was fun for me when i was able to TAME babies and raise my pets, not cook them. If i wanted to do that, i would have went with BE when the game was released.
I had 22 pets that took me weeks and months to get, rare babies that took months to get... now look at them now.
I dont care what anyone says, they can come here and praise SOE and SWG that its the savior of all games, i will never forgive and never forget. So, you people are just wasting your breath coming here and trying to convince people like me on coming back, i know what the game is like, i have seen and played it... its crap, and it will remain crap till its shutdown.
If its so much fun and the game is full of people, then why are you here trying to convince people to come back? Telling them to come back and that its fun, looks kinda desperate imo. Every single one of you people who come here trying to spread your lies that the game are just desperate, if its go good, then play the game. You want to help the game and try to get it more subs, post your reviews on game sites, not in meaningless threads like this b/c you arent doing anything to help but look like you are desperate on getting people to play an empty game.
Im glad you still like to give Song hell for what they did, but just do yourself a favor and go play the game and leave those of us who hate the game alone. I am a former Master Creature Handler, i was a master 3 weeks after release and was master creature handler up until they destroyed my profession, so coming here and telling people like me to come back and that the game is fun is bullcrap, the game was fun for me when i was able to TAME babies and raise my pets, not cook them. If i wanted to do that, i would have went with BE when the game was released.
I had 22 pets that took me weeks and months to get, rare babies that took months to get... now look at them now.
I dont care what anyone says, they can come here and praise SOE and SWG that its the savior of all games, i will never forgive and never forget. So, you people are just wasting your breath coming here and trying to convince people like me on coming back, i know what the game is like, i have seen and played it... its crap, and it will remain crap till its shutdown.
CH's are the people I feel for the most, actually. I rant about SWG plenty...but what I lost was nothing compared to what you did. That was one of the most awesome class ideals I have ever seen. SWG lost plenty of those in the NGE though....*sigh*.
What better way could you spend your short lifespan on this mortal coil then complaining day after day about a GAME. Thats right I said it, a GAME. Lets face it, there is nothing more important to accomplish in our existance than complain relentlessly about a GAME.
Well to begin, I got past being angry at SOE some time ago. That's a response to the title of your thread, so I may not be your target audience.
I do want to point out though that you've just told people that they're whiners, moaners, chicken, have no life, that they need to grow a clue...and then you invite them to come and have fun with you.
Insulting people tends not to be a successful recruitment campaign.
Questions I'd have about SWG at this point would be:
Have they fixed the bug that doesn't allow some team members to enter instances? I reported that 2 years ago.
Have they fixed the bug that doesn't have waypoint arrows point to the actual waypoint, and that gets the distance wrong? I reported that about 3 years ago.
What about the bug where npc's shoot you down through walls...and floors. That was annoying at any point, but once the game turned into more of an fps style, the lack of collision detection became more than just annoying; it was, and is, absurd.
How 'bout the bug that has high level npc targets with nice loot consistently spawning in objects, rendering them unattackable? I reported that over 3 years ago.
Here's another question that goes along the same lines. The guy that misled everyone by taking their money for the Trials of ObiWan expansion, and then releasing the surprise change to core game mechanics that deleted or disabled many of the features the day after our visa payments cleared. Yeah that guy, Smedley I think was his name. Is he still in charge of things over there?
Are any of those issues that vets have expressed concerns about for in fact more than 2 years still problems? I expect they all are. In fact I think they are all still just the same as they were.
How 'bout this one: Are people who enjoy the NGE (fine with me btw) still insulting people who didn't like they way they were treated by SOE? Are they still calling vets whiners, telling them to get a life etc.? This started pretty much the day after the NGE went live, and judging from your post here now, that hasn't changed either.
I hope this response facilitates some much needed self-awareness for players like yourself, and perhaps for SOE in general.
Just below is a cut & paste in another MMO forum when someone asked about SWG. I naturally obliged. I also cut out the names from those asking questions.
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Originally Posted by (cut away name)
I never played SWG, but I've been hearing alot about issues with the jedi...what exactly happened? Were they made much more powerful than everything else?
(cut away name) touched on some of the points, but I want to add a few (long) things, so bear with me if you're interested
Alot of it went with how development drastically changed the game and how Star Wars canon was treated.
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SWG came out in Summer 2003 (July?). I joined up in Feb 2004. For quite a while, the game focus was, surprisingly for a Star Wars game, NOT ON JEDI. There were no "Classes" as most MMOs were and still are set up. You had 250 skillpoints to spend. As you progress and gain experience in the proper fields, you spent skillpoints on boxes within different "Professions" with more advanced ones that branch off basic ones. Some of the professions were: Bounty Hunter, Scout (basic), Marksman (basic), Rifleman, Doctor, Medic (basic), Pikeman, etc. You could specialize your character for specific roles like pure ranged, pure melee, pure healing, or mix to your desire... we called a fully set skillset for a character a "template." You gained XPs for performing your abilities, not generic XPs. If you maxed out your template and wanted to try something else, no problem, you drop skillboxes (and lose the XPs & abilities from those skills) as needed and work your way to another template. There wasn't as big a need to be a "Alt-a-Holic" like many MMOs, most were content with their 1 major character. Anyways, I loved this Skillpoint system. There was always a big talk on the forums on new effective templates. There were some that gained alot of favoritism, i.e. "Flavor of the Month Template." But the true beauty of the old SWG (Pre-NGE) was that YOU could make your OWN effective template. Heck, I played a ranged specialist that became an Imperial Stormtrooper for his entire existence in SWG before I left at the "NGE."
Also, in the old days in SWG, the vast majority of the player characters, hands down, were NOT Jedi... and we were content. Jedi players WERE there. But they were extremely rare and if experienced enough, could wipe the floor with several fully templated "normal template" characters. But it was fine, they were rare. The Jedi also had Permadeath. x3 deaths, that character was GONE. It was hard becoming a Jedi. It was hard training one up. It was hard maintaining one, especially with Bounty Hunters and the Empire looking for you. Supposedly, if you were too noticeable, Darth Vader would personally come looking for you with his own entourage of Imperial forces, but this never happened.
Anyways, Jedi were extremely rare long ago, and they kept hidden. If they flashed their abilities to the wrong people, they'd gain visibility and they could pop up on Bounty Hunter Mission Terminals for BH players to get missions on them. The monetary rewards for BH back then were horrible, but the hardcore, true BH's took the missions for the PVP rush and the "Hunt" since Jedi were always wary of detection, moved around alot. Because of all of this, Jedi were always talked about in awe... something mystical about them among players. When you saw a Jedi player, it was an awesome experience. I remember patrolling my Stormtrooper in Dantooine, running missions and exploring. I saw combat and flashing in the distance in the hills. I took my Speederbike and hauled a** there to check it out. There I saw a Jedi swamped with numerous creatures. I could have been a good Trooper and attacked him while he was still heavily engaged and stand a good chance of taking him down. But he was the first Jedi I ever saw in the game and I was amazed. After a while, he finally finished off the attacking creatures and noticed me on a hillside with my big T-21 blaster. He said, "Oh, you weren't supposed to see that..." I replied, "No problem Jedi. You're the first I've ever seen in the game and I'm happy for it. I'll let you go but I did have my chance to nail you!" "Alright then, we part. Next time, it's on!" "Good to go Jedi, next time!"
Like I said, Jedi were extremely rare. The majority of us were "normal," and the true makeup of the Star Wars universe. The Galactic Civil War between the Empire & Rebellion was dominated by blasters and melee weaponry (not necessarily Lightsabers, but you did see Melee weapons in SW movies). It wasn't perfect, but there was a great participation in the GCW. I remember my PVP abilities weren't the best. I was useful to have around, but I wasn't a player to turn around a big PVP fight. But by far my best contribution to the Empire was on recruiting drives, decked out in Stormtrooper armor, getting new players to support the Empire and crushing the Rebellion. I got alot of people to join up, not necessarily on a guild (I never joined a guild), but just to join the Empire. They'll get a guild on their own soon enough
Lastly, in the old days of SWG, we had anywhere between 200k-300k players, depending on who you asked back then. For Pre-WoW numbers, those were great, especially since SWG was ripped on reviews on release (rightfully so IMO). This was another huge deal IMO. The Skillpoint / Template system put alot of interdependence, so everyone was needed and brought something useful to the table. Merchants / Crafters were ESSENTIAL to the economy. The best gear 99% of the time were made BY CRAFTERS... they just needed the exotic materials to build the weapon / armor / gear of your dreams. I loved blasters to high heaven. There were many, many good crafters and businessmen. There were a bunch that had not one ounce of fighting ability, just totally dedicated to Merchant & Crafting aspects of the game, and they enjoyed it. They enjoyed the crafting, making money, and of course, interacting with customers. Like everyone else, there were certain Crafters that I favored. While out in the wild or doing missions with a group, or even posting on the forums, you could debate who the best Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, etc. is "No, no, ___ based out of Naboo is the best Weaponsmith. You seen his T-21's?" "Yeah, that guy's good, but ___ out of Corellia is just as good and has a wider selection." Items had decay... eventually they break for good. You could repair their "Condition" but never back to full. Play it right, and your gear could last a good while. But because gear wears down (lower condition, lower stats until repaired), the Crafters always had business. "Hey man, that T-21 you made for me finally broke. I need another one
Another thing about the large player population and interdependence... there were Medical Facilities and Cantinas (bars, etc). You needed to go to a Medical Facility to recover physical wounds after a long adventure. Medic players were there to take care of you (alot actually). You chatted with the Medics, and it was standard procedure among the playerbase to tip them fairly. After all, a good number of these Medics also did not put an ounce into Combat Professions, just pure healing (and they were d**n good too). You also went to them to remove some really nasty diseases you can catch from creatures. Also, Cantinas. There were Entertainers. Dancers, Musicians, etc. Live players. Again, a very good number of these Entertainers were purely devoted to it, not combat or anything else. These players enjoyed playing the Entertainment aspect of SWG and the very heavy social life of an Entertainer in the game. To recover "Mind Wounds" you needed to watch / listen to an Entertainer, and you recover after a while. Because of that, EVERY adventurer would go to a Cantina eventually, just like a Medical Facility and the same interaction with Entertainers as you did with the Healers. Also, everyone had their favorite Entertainer. My Stormtrooper's favorite was this blue Twi'lek girl who worked out of Bestine, Tatooine's Cantina all the time (a favorite place for us Imperials). The Cantinas tended to have a good number of players. It was a very important social hub for the players to gather, recover, and chat. Some of them, especially the Cantinas at Bestine & Mos Eisley, Tatooine, Theed on Naboo, and ESPECIALLY the one at Coronet, Corellia, were jampacked with players. Think of the largest, fullest, most successful Night Clubs in real life you've been in... some of the Cantinas in SWG were that full, all with socializing players and Entertainers. You could easily lose hours chatting there when you should be doing some adventuring!
Now comes the bad part, how the game drastically changed direction over time. In the wake of WoW, someone higher up obviously wanted those subscription numbers. 200k-300k was not good enough, even for Pre-WoW standards and the large, loyal playerbase we had. Changes were made to try to cater to outside players and "to hell with the current playerbase."
Jedi. Jedi as I said were extremely rare but revered by the players. But as you know, Jedi make great marketing tools. Eventually, all the risks of being a Jedi were gone. Permadeath was removed. Before "Publish 9" Jedi were rare (many players never saw a Jedi before this Publish). After Publish 9, they were EVERYWHERE. You saw them parading around, dueling out in the open, even in Imperial centers of power in the game. Jedi were becoming more and more frequent to see. They took a hit in power also, but were still very, very capable. The Jedi also began to receive more and more Publish / patching attention. There were professions that haven't received any attention while Jedi received several go-overs by the devs (Old School Squad Leaders, Smugglers, I still remember you guys). Since Jedi were becoming numerically dominant, in a twisted screw-over of Star Wars canon, Jedi characters dominated the PVP in importance and numbers. There began at one point where non-Jedi players were looked down upon and not wanted in PVP groups. You HAD to be a Jedi, which was complete, utter BS, IMO. Also, seeing monitors filled with Jedi fighting in the IMPERIAL era, where Jedi were practically gone, made a sick feeling in the stomach if you had any appreciation for the Original Trilogy's storyline. "Wow, I see 10 Jedi Masters here. Why did Yoda and Obi-Wan rest their hopes on a Moisture Farmer from Tatooine?" Even now in SWG, I guarantee you that you will see maybe 60-75% of the players out there to be Jedi. GUARANTEED! In another twisted take on Star Wars, you will see more Jedi in SWG than you will Stormtroopers. That, IMO, is screwing canon over with no Vaseline and no reach around.
Also, to try to woo over different customers, the gameplay was heavily, heavily, mind-numbingly, oversimplified. The Skillpoint / Template System was removed. Entire professions were removed. SWG went with the copout route and went with standard single classes with no room for differentiation between others of the same class. They tried to put differentiation after the "NGE" (New Game Enhancements) via "Expertise" but really, they didn't differentiate you that much, especially in contrast to the "Pre-NGE" days.
Star Wars canon. I already mentioned the canon-**** via Jedi Legions. Another thing, especially with the Prequel movies coming out (Ep.II, III), was that every new release had something to do with the Old Republic. It was fine for a while, but jeez, it seemed like the devs forgot that the game was set in the IMPERIAL ERA. Gear from the Old Republic was somehow absolutely superior to anything fielded by the Empire and Rebellion (I won't even get into the space portion which was screwed over by Jedi Starfighters and the craft released with it).
Character animations. "Pre-NGE" in the old days of SWG, character animations were GREAT. Blaster recoils, aiming, and effects, fighting animations, etc. SWG had great, extensive animations. Teras Kasi Masters had great animations, but Jedi by far had the sweetest fighting animations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlrmR_veLoE
With the oversimplified NGE, animations were chopped up. HORRIBLY. If you can imagine hyper speed combat with stick figures, that's what the NGE has now. Entire arrays of combat animations were removed. The animations for melee and ranged combat aiming to relative to the target's position (higher, lower) to your character is gone. For example: If my Stormtrooper was firing his blaster at a dirty Rebel at a lower elevation, his blaster would still be aimed straight ahead, but the blaster bolts coming out of the barrel will fly out in an angle towards the target. The same holds true with Melee attacks. It looked utterly ridiculous (and still does since they can't fix it... or just won't fix it).
Edit to add: The NGE also introduced a ridiculous amount of particle effects. I mean, so many actions in game result in these effects, especially combat. Hmm, I wonder if they were trying to hide the shortcomings of the NGE animations by blinding the players with overuse of particle effects. Really, Star Wars didn't make use of blinding effects all the time. Sparingly, actually.
SOE ethics. I can get into a long rant about it. But I'll just leave it to the "Trials of Obi-Wan" expansion. Up to the release of the expansion pack, we were still a bit in the old system (Combat Upgrade era, but we still had the Template System and holdovers from the original system). But after the expansion pack was released and went to the "Live Servers" that's when the UNANNOUNCED NGE changes were made (removed the template system, removal of certain character professions, oversimplified combat). We didn't want the system. We didn't even talk about it with the devs before it occured. When the s**t hit the fan, all sorts of people walked out. I lingered around a while hoping the old system would come back, but I was fooling myself, so I left and said goodbye to my veteran Stormtrooper.
There were so many stupid things that occured as development progressed over SWG's lifespan. The NGE was widely hated and many left. When I left, the Cantinas were practically empty. There were no longer any social hubs where players gathered on a wide basis... probably because there were no longer enough players...
I'm not saying everything was perfect in the "Pre-NGE" days. No, we had problems, but I feel safe to say many of us would live with those problems than the a**-****** we took in that game for us to leave.
SWG's reputation is well beyond repair. I log into other MMOs, and usually on General Chat type of channels, talk of MMO comparisons usually pop up. But SWG, gets ripped. Justifiably too. Sometimes, out of loyalty to the Old, Pre-NGE SWG, I want to defend it. But then I remember the a**-****** leading to many fellow SWG players leaving, including myself, and I can't find myself defending the game anymore. The old SWG that many of us loved was GONE... they didn't even pull the plug out of the game, it's still there. They just changed it to an unrecognizable, horrible form. It felt like they took the "Welcome" doormat from underneath us.
If you read all the way down here, thanks for checking my long rant about SWG's history, even though it's not the complete history. You also must be really, really, really bored and / or have alot of patience! But I truly hope no other MMO player has to go through that stupid s**t that we did in that game. Jeez Louise...
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So... after all that happened above, after having loyally played for 2 years and then getting shafted by SOE, I'm expected to not have my say about how this game went?
As for trying the game again and seeing it? No. I've seen enough. My 'sis still plays and I see enough of it. Oh, I know the devs have put in more content.
But there are still several, major fundamental flaws with SWG:
** SOE's reputation. Really, their decision making over the course of the game's history was "interesting" to put it kindly, even before the NGE. The NGE was just the final straw to me.
** The NGE is still there. Sorry, I loved the Skillpoint / Template System. It gave me the flexibility of play, the freedom of choice that I wanted. For once, I was playing a game where I had the choice and was not forced into a cookie cutter class. Even the NGE's expertise does little to differentiate... nowhere near what was once possible with the SP / Template System.
** The SWG player community has been utterly destroyed, like a plague hitting a city. The community of the Pre-NGE days is gone, and never, ever will return. The sheer amount of groups are gone. The large amount of interaction of crafters and adventurers are gone. The large amount of interaction with everyone with Entertainers is gone.
Gone, gone, gone, and from what I've seen on my Sister's gaming: It hasn't changed since I left.
I've heard someone say, "Well, everyone's on Kashyyyk and Mustafar now."
Ha! There was a time before the NGE where I could find lots of people on Corellia, Naboo, Tatooine, Dantooine, Dathomir, and Lok (for some good backwoods PvP on Ahazi).
Anyways, I have moved onto other games, other pursuits. But it feels so gosh darned good to kick the festering SWG horse as I move on. Especially if someone asks about it.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
And, frankly, your even more pathetic for wasting precious time coming all the way out here to COMPLAIN about people complaining about a game. By the measure of your logic, all complaining is a waste of time. To which, I feel, I must add that without such feedback our world would not have things like the Better Business Bureau to provide information to the consumer, or worker, about the things they are getting involved in.
Face it, without us you have no one to tell you about actual problems out there. I'd certainly love a world where everything was happy and swell....but thats not reality. IN reality there are a lot of people who simply just don't have your interest in heart at all. When that happens, you deserve to know about it.
I really think the new Beast mastery system offers everything cool from CH and BE rolled together... and you can add it to any profession through the expertise system. If you had old pets from being an elder CH... not only can you recreate those pet's from their DNA, they are still worth 40m+ each just as a stuffed pet with no DNA. If you had a Rancor, you can make it in to either a fighting pet or a mount. I think the new pet advancement system is more in-depth and intuitive than the old system.. the end result is still pretty satisfying.
I was away from the game for about 18 months, and I have been back for about 2 now. I spent all my gaming time in that year and a half trying to find a game to replace pre-cu SWG... and finally decided nothing is closer than the current SWG. It really isn't as bad as it was right after NGE dropped. While it is admittedly a pathetic shadow if it's former self, if your looking for either a sandbox or a sci-fi game, it's still better than anything else out right now.... and it's still Star Wars.
I hate that I am defending this game, and I'm sure i said I'd never play it or any other SOE game again.... but I just got tired of punishing myself because I was mad at them. I guess the bounds of my hypocracy remain undiscovered.
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I dunno about you, but I have other things I can do in my life if I can't find a game to play. I have a guitar and my band I can go have fun with. I'm sure my wife and I can do SOMETHING for fun. I never once felt like I was punishing myself by not playing. Even if the game was remotely fun, I know that the only reason I ever played SWG was for its open-ended sandbox style and, with that gone, it holds nothing for me anymore.
Worse, allowing myself to play this game for any reason OTHER than a rollback is essentially admitting to SOE that they can do whatever they want to their consumers and get away with it. I'd rather just stare at the wall, but I don't expect everyone to share my particular motivations in this regard so don't take that the wrong way. I certainly don't feel you deserve to be denied your fun with it.
I do feel that going back to it is essentially you handing them a free pass to treat you in any way they want to, however. You've just admitted to them that you will accept it and likely take it again.
Came back, actually payed till the creature handler rolled out. didn't care for it , they took creature handler and turned it into a craft fest. cya, bye. don't need a poll, I voted the only way that matters, THE MONEY
well for the op ill put it this way...
I tried WoW during the Pre CU and said that game blows and laughed,,the CU i didnt like the forced grouping bit and the whole CL thing, even worse the 1st wave of reward and loot weapons came on the scene.
the NGE hit everything was destoyed and then it was like some kind of screwed up hybrid FPS and everyone knows that the CORE of the game has been broken and everything they pile in is just adding pig crap to pile of cow crap!! its still just crap...
They said give them 6 months and 2 years later all i can say it WTF!!!!???? lol i played all the way till the first few weeks of chapter 7 and the ironic thing is that i tried WoW around chapter 6 and said Wow thats actually alot better than this NGE crap at least that game works!!
So at the End EVE is my main Tabula Rasa is my Zergfest whatever game and WoW is just my laid back hang out with friends game.. wich once i did it all in SWG but thats all gone.
Now am i bitter? no not really i loved the Pre CU bigtime despite all the bugs and such its still the best MMO of all time for me! it was the skill system,crafter economy,Jedi grind,playing with different temps and all the people you met along the way.... the pre cu was so far ahead of its time!
But im not bitter i could care less about SWG now, F#ck SOE and F#ck LEC i dont need to play a Star Wars MMO ill just be happy playing another Sand Box skill based system whenever or whatever that may be!
This topic is stupid...everyone checks the games status. Thats' what fuels the fire.
wow and i thought i could be blunt about it /salute Gishgeron
You say move on, then you say come back. Which one do you want?
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No Longer SWG Free
I have no idea what people are trying to accomplish by defending SWG. What could you possibly hope will come out of this? People are not going to come streaming back in to this corpse of a game no matter what you say. The haters dont keep them away and you are certainly not going to get them to play. Once again as it has been said so many times on this forum.. If the game was good more people would play it... The haters would be ignored just like they are in WoW. Hell I dont think there is a game that takes more abuse on these forums than WoW and yet they have 10m players.
If all of the haters went away today what would change with SWG? Nothing at all. You come in to a forum that is dedicated to people bitching and start whining about them whining. You bash them for complaining about a game that changed 2 years ago and yet you have been complaining about them for just as long. You are more obsessed with them than they are with hating SWG.
The bottom line here is if you like SWG you win. There you go. You can go play your game and the haters can not. The victory is yours. You dont need to defend it. The haters do NOT keep anyone away from the game. They are the vocal minority. Stop trying to blame them for the games low population. If someone wants to try SWG there is a free trial. Its not the haters fault that people are not impressed enough with this game to buy it after they try it.
As usual GreenHell you've said what needed to be said in a straight forward and respectful way.
I always enjoy reading your posts as I find your opinions quite insightful.
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As usual GreenHell you've said what needed to be said in a straight forward and respectful way.
I always enjoy reading your posts as I find your opinions quite insightful.
I agree as well, respectfully written but also doesnt sugarcoat the issue. I being a vet that played since the launch. I left the game not because of haters, but due to the extreme changes made to the core game to the point where it was no longer the game I played, and loved. I left because SWG no longer fit to my standards of what drew me to the game in the first place. it was like giving me gift, let me open it, enjoy it like it, become emotionally attached to it, and then rip it away and replace it with something inferior.
I cant deny that SOE has a right to change things, but they also have a right to lose customers if they change things that do not meet customers needs. Haters are the minority, I dont hate the game any more, I have moved past to a point where I no longer have or gain a emotional response to this game and its wacky misadventures. I think almost every Vet has truly moved on, despite a few being vocal.
I can say beyond a doubt that the haters dont keep new players from the game, the Game itself and the quality that is maintains or lack there of, thus where you come in, complaining and feeling confused why no one wants to play. If you go into alot of these forums people have stated many times over why they left, which are completely valid reasons even if you dont think they are. Like the VEts have moved on, I think you need to move on. But like many other people I hope you enjoy ya game.
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I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
Its a fair deal, $OE created us unwanted customers now life with our existenz and get over that fact that 250k unhappy people exist . Again fair deal.
Make us happy with PRE CU server and the amount of unhappy people would reduce propably . Fair deal again.
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