" By not 'getting over it' MMORPG players are finally drawing a line in the sand and letting developers know that while they may have gotten into a habit of dumping complete trash on MMORPG players, their customers are finally not going to stand for it anymore. It's a line that should have been drawn a long time ago."
Yes yes, your "not getting over it" seems to be working wonders...
And do you guys really think someone won't do an NGE again?
Believe me somewhere at sometime, some game will pull the same stunt. With someone at that game saying "Oh we won't do it like SOE did, this time it will be better!" It will happen, mostly due to people being 'human' and thinking they can make more money off of something. Hell for the most part Ultima Online got NGE'd in 2000 with Trammel. Believe me their are still people screaming that the game should have Classic Servers! And that change was just getting people away from Player Killers and Thief's. Same amount of yelling and screaming from the Player Base. Same posts of "Classic Servers or Rollback!" the same doom posts of "UO will be shut down in (X Amount) of (time here)!"
And that change was just due to EA deciding that the old game just didn't work, and people did stay away before it thanks to UO's rep of slow skill gain. And going out of town had you trying to recall before the 187 clan of Player Killers lead by "ikillnoobz" and his mindless lacky's named after WWF Wrestlers, gangsta rappers, and maybe one of the Tiny Toons, killed you, trapped your ghost, and emoted things over your body that would get you in real life thrown in prison for a damn long time.
The fact is this, games will get changed... Even if it's not an NGE someone at the game will decide that one of the Classes or Skills is too powerful and nerf it, ticking people off. It's happened for years, be it a nerf of a few Classes on a MUD. To nerfing or changing a Weapon in an FPS. Or even changing the game... Hit the Fallout 3 forums and see how the old Fallout fans are screaming about Fallout 3 being more 'Elder Scrolls' like, rather then going with the outdated system that Fallout 1 and 2 had... Hell I've seen people screaming about how BioShock isn't System Shock 2, or how Call of Duty 4 should have been based in World War 2... Cuz ya know the Call of Duty name means it's a World War 2 game...
And dear god it happens to Pen and Paper RPG's as well! I myself just started playing Dungeons and Dragons again. And at the place I play at some of the people that go there HATE the new rules and setting. And almost all of them are just down right screaming about the new rules set coming out, that is planing on making D&D more 'WoW' like.
So the big over all point is, games change. Sometimes it's something small that will tick people off, and sometimes it's something big that will tick more people off. It's going to happen, and really you guys can scream untill your blue in the face, but it was still going to change.
you have all of your info wrong and are lieing on most of it mikemb.
no dev will ever do an nge again thanks to us. if they do then the samething that happen to swg will happen to that game. a player base of under 10k and they will most likely shut down.
ultima sucked after ultima online renaissance. what made uo great was the fact that people had that freedom to do what they wanted. ea would have made more money if the game was rolled back or had classic servers. and once again you are telling a lie. those kinds of players didn't play uo. all the player killers i knew did role play and never did anything like that. they had been the lifeblood of that game.
and all the changes to games have made them bomb.
fallout 3 shouldn't be a elder scrolls clone and the makers are turning it into it. it should go back to the people who made the first fallout. it is their game.
bioshock sucked it's overrated and everyone knows that. the real game of the year should have gone to uncharted. a game that had a better storyline and looked much better. all bioshock tried to be was doom with spells and a bad storyline.
call of duty 4 who is going to play that? it's a kiddie game filled with people trash talking one another.
and look at how well dungeons and dragons is doing. the online game isn't good. and the new rules are just bad. why do you think neverwinter nights 1 and 2 bombed.
you don't get it do you mikemb. this is a war. more and more people like blizzard and microsoft and nintendo are turning our games into kiddie games. we want games that are hard. we want to be rewarded for time spent in the game. and look at how well all of them have done. warcraft just has 13 year olds running around insulting one another. you didn't see that in swg pvp you never saw that cuz we are all adults. the xbox has failed microsoft sells a system that breaks down every month and xbox live is filled with racist 13 year olds who have ruined every game. and the wii is a joke makers are turning away from it due it it's controls.
that's what soe did to us they wanted to bring the 13 year olds in and kill off good rp and pvp and turn the game into a joke. that is why us vets have won now others are seeing that we are the market they should be going after. we are loyal and care more about games then someone like yourself.
so i am going to ask you to please remove yourself from this forum mikemb. we no longer wish to hear your lies.
I suppose I qualify as one of those angry forum vets, though I don't really say much on these forums because I just don't care to waste my breath anymore. SWG has failed on its own just fine. For the record, I have a station access pass, and about a month ago, I logged into SWG to see what's left. The crafting system is more or less intact, which is good. But the NGE is still in full force, and despite my efforts, I just can't get into it. I'm still upset about how the game changed, though I won't go into it because obviously those reasons have been repeatedly stated here. MMORPG.com created a separate forum for us former SWG players to remember the good times as we see them. Or perhaps, the better times, as no time was really that good no matter how much we would like to remember it. So why come to this forum just to stir up trouble? Why throw a rock at the hornet's nest? Most of us, like myself, have moved on. We just sometimes like to come here and talk about our former SWG days. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. After all, we certainly aren't the first posters on MMORPG.com to bitch about something we don't like.
The forum may have been created for people to reminisce, but that's not what it's being used for. Look around -- pretty much every thread is "zomg SOE sux" and basically ripping a game that a vast majority of the people who post in this thread have not logged into in two-plus years.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right. if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go. see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down. besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
So in other words, because you can't play pre-CU SWG, you want the people who are still playing to have a game they enjoy destroyed.
Wow. Selfish much?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
" By not 'getting over it' MMORPG players are finally drawing a line in the sand and letting developers know that while they may have gotten into a habit of dumping complete trash on MMORPG players, their customers are finally not going to stand for it anymore. It's a line that should have been drawn a long time ago."
Yes yes, your "not getting over it" seems to be working wonders...
And do you guys really think someone won't do an NGE again?
Believe me somewhere at sometime, some game will pull the same stunt. With someone at that game saying "Oh we won't do it like SOE did, this time it will be better!" It will happen, mostly due to people being 'human' and thinking they can make more money off of something. Hell for the most part Ultima Online got NGE'd in 2000 with Trammel. Believe me their are still people screaming that the game should have Classic Servers! And that change was just getting people away from Player Killers and Thief's. Same amount of yelling and screaming from the Player Base. Same posts of "Classic Servers or Rollback!" the same doom posts of "UO will be shut down in (X Amount) of (time here)!"
And that change was just due to EA deciding that the old game just didn't work, and people did stay away before it thanks to UO's rep of slow skill gain. And going out of town had you trying to recall before the 187 clan of Player Killers lead by "ikillnoobz" and his mindless lacky's named after WWF Wrestlers, gangsta rappers, and maybe one of the Tiny Toons, killed you, trapped your ghost, and emoted things over your body that would get you in real life thrown in prison for a damn long time.
The fact is this, games will get changed... Even if it's not an NGE someone at the game will decide that one of the Classes or Skills is too powerful and nerf it, ticking people off. It's happened for years, be it a nerf of a few Classes on a MUD. To nerfing or changing a Weapon in an FPS. Or even changing the game... Hit the Fallout 3 forums and see how the old Fallout fans are screaming about Fallout 3 being more 'Elder Scrolls' like, rather then going with the outdated system that Fallout 1 and 2 had... Hell I've seen people screaming about how BioShock isn't System Shock 2, or how Call of Duty 4 should have been based in World War 2... Cuz ya know the Call of Duty name means it's a World War 2 game...
And dear god it happens to Pen and Paper RPG's as well! I myself just started playing Dungeons and Dragons again. And at the place I play at some of the people that go there HATE the new rules and setting. And almost all of them are just down right screaming about the new rules set coming out, that is planing on making D&D more 'WoW' like.
So the big over all point is, games change. Sometimes it's something small that will tick people off, and sometimes it's something big that will tick more people off. It's going to happen, and really you guys can scream untill your blue in the face, but it was still going to change.
Well first off, I agree that games change. In many cases they should too.
What sets this whole deal apart for me is really 2 main things.
The first is how badly misled everyone was, intentionally, when SOE and LA marketted the Trials of ObiWan expansion without ever mentioning that they were going to implement the NGE. I mean, they sold people things they knew they were going to immediately delete. That's just wrong no matter how you look at it, and I've never seen anything like that before or since from a service provider. I truly doubt that will ever happen again. Imagine all the money they lost through that maneuver alone with all the refunds they had to give for the misrepresented expansion. Then add to that all the money they lost via cancelled subscriptions. No, that was not your standard example of "this game may change over time."
Also, this wasn't modifications being made to an existing game system, this was one game being chucked out and replaced by another one, only bearing the same name. Heck even the promotional adds for the CU said it was like a whole new game. They also blatantly admitted that this "new game" was "wow-inspired." The NGE took that concept even further. On top of that, one SOE exec was quoted in the Washington post saying that they knew they were going to lose a lot of their original playerbase. They didn't care because they intended to replace us with a new and bigger player community. That was callous disregard for an entire consumer-base. It was outrageously uncaring towards the players, and it was outright bad business.
Further, thousands of players and some of their own staff gave SOE this information before they went ahead and pulled the NGE trigger. Rather than trying to fix this horrifying mess with some small act of good faith and reparation (e.g. a classic server) the people that tried to warn SOE get blamed for all the bad press.
No, I'm afraid this is a very unique situation that is screwed up on so many levels that it's nearly indescribable. Here's hoping that it remains a very unique situation.
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right. if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go. see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down. besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
So in other words, because you can't play pre-CU SWG, you want the people who are still playing to have a game they enjoy destroyed.
Wow. Selfish much?
We were lied to, mistreated, betrayed, and had something we invested a LOT of time into suddenly taken away from us in an unethical and probably illegal manner.
I think it is safe to say that most of us will be satisfied when SWG closes the doors for good.
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right. if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go. see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down. besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
So in other words, because you can't play pre-CU SWG, you want the people who are still playing to have a game they enjoy destroyed.
Wow. Selfish much?
It is not really a matter of being selfish it is a matter of being practical. I dont want anything from SOE. I wouldnt play even if they did open a Pre-CU server. Star Wars however is one of the most popular and recognized IP's in the world and it represented in the MMO world by SWG and SOE? That right there is just a shame. SOE has shown themselves to be incompetent for many years now. This game is the joke of the industry. The "what not to do" to your MMO and community. Star Wars deserves far better than this.
The only real solution to this problem is for SWG to be given to another company getting it as far away from SOE as possible or for it to die and LA gives the IP to another developer. I personally think that LA will shut this thing down when they have something else to replace it with. From a business stand point it only makes sense to try and distance yourself from this abomination and start over again with a new developer and a new game.
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right. if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go. see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down. besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
So in other words, because you can't play pre-CU SWG, you want the people who are still playing to have a game they enjoy destroyed.
Wow. Selfish much?
You should learn to paraphrase, or perhaps learn to read in general. Your "in other words" has nothing to do with his statement, even "between" the lines. Hell, his statement wasn't really written well enough to derive anything...
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
what was about ? usually mute,delete, ban material at sucker boards like customers not happy with a change ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
While I am mad about what Lucas Arts Made SOE do to SWG back in 2005 and 2004, moaning and whining over it and w/e else you're doing is a waste of time.
You kids and adults seem to forget that LEC controls what SoE develops for SW:G.
You blame and flame and scream at SOE....but one in a thousand complains that it was Lucas Arts/LEC fault for wanting to attract the Numbers that WoW draws.
I am just soooo tired of you people harping on what SOE did to your game. One would think by reading the threads in the Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer.
So...there is the Gauntlet.
Heres the question:
When was the last time anyone here actually Logged INTO SW:G?
Not sure what chapter it was, but I last logged in at the beginning for Dec 07, just before my account expired.
Pre-2006?
Expertise for Spy or Smuggler?
Chapter 6 AI Combat adjustment?
Chapter 7 The Return of Aurilla, Dathomir, Heroics and Collections?
Chapter 8 Space Collections and ISD Heroic?
Anyone here take advantage of the 14 or 21 Day Trials? Or the Buddy Program?
Anyone actually Log in to see how active Bria or Starsider or Chilastra or Gorath or Intrepid is currently?
I played on the Eclipse server and the last time I was there is seemed pretty dead. I didn't see anyone outside the Theed starport like there usually is, or in the city. I know Eclipse was never a popular as the ones you mentioned, but it did have a pretty good population before the NGE came out.
Or are all of you so bitter that your too chicken to log in and find that you might actually enoy it?
The biggest problem I have is that most of the content they are add seems to be a rehash of the old stuff they took away. Also it seems they are trying to finally add group content, but it almost impossible to find people to group with. Especially since they nerfed the group XP.
I Am a 9 Time Elder on Intrepid. I have the ORH. I have Completed the fate of the galaxy quest for the Shard of Retribution. I also have over 120 Badges.
I was a player since July 2004, and enjoyed both pre-CU and Cu versions of the game.
I am sick of seeing you people not move on or grow a clue.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about something that happend Over 2 years and 2 months about at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about somethingthat happend Over 2 years and 2 monthsabout at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about somethingthat happend Over 2 years and 2 monthsabout at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hey...OP....how do you like the fact that SOE just announced the coming nerf of Block Chance? How do you think the players who spent millions on block suits and instanc tokens on jewelry feel? All that work, time, and money, made worthless in a heart-beat? you see, THEY STILL HAVN"T LEARNED ANYTHING FROM NGE. They are still doing it, every couple of months, with these baby NGEs. People don't want to spend all that time and $$ making their character just right, and have it all gone at a whim. And SOE does this to it's players, over and over and over again. (Glancing blow, anyone?) I guarantee a lot more people leave SWG because of this nerf...and there aren't that many people left in the game as it is.
Its not an enormous nerf, its something that needed to be done to make things a little more balanced, block suits will still be useful, on par with all the other stats, you cant buy instance tokens anyway and its certainly not made worthless (regardless of the fact that they will have 5 other different stats on that suit anyway). Im not sure how you can compare, altering the ratio to balance something out a bit with the NGE. I doubt anyone will leave over them tinkering with a single statistic that will still be effective.
I'm not even complaining about the nerf, really. It's more of a "here we go again", with SOE making a change that negatively impacts the majority of the player base, that no one wants!
And no, you're right. You can't buy instance tokens. you have to find groups in almost deserted servers that aren't made up entirely of jedi, and farm the damn things off instances who's difficulty was designed around combat mechanics which are about to change once again.
And you have to do these instances over, and over, and over again. While waiting for a lockout timer to expire each time.
It's not because of one nerf that people leave the game, it's because it happens constantly, and people are sick of it.
It may affect quite a few people, ones who pvp and pve, but its debatable whether its effecting the majority of the player base, secondly, most people DO want it, it made players overpowered (or over-defensed rather), most people are saying about time. Servers i play on i have no problem finding groups, easy to go with my guild but i, as do most, get so many invitations for groups that i cant fit all of them in because my lockout is still there. How are the combat mechanics about to change? lol and how is it farming? You do do them over and over, but they are fun! Im afraid to tell you, you have no idea what you are talking about.
What I find rather funny is how long it took them to issue a simple value change on already existing code...especially when I hear that they've been aware of it for, like, a year.
I could care less about a nerf...but jesus, just how bad are these coders that they can't be bothered to hit the delete key and type a new value in? It REALLY isn't that hard, it's far harder programming in the animations and textures and how the values interact with each other. It doesn't take anyone else that kind of time to address something so simple, hell sometimes WoW does it in "mini" patches. Meh.
Well for me its several reasons, why i dont return.
1. You cant just master what you want like in a week, and then have fun with it, like it was before.. Now you just keep grinding and leveling like in most other mmos i hate that.
2. The main reason i played was because of my guild, i loved my guild and we had alot of fun, but 99% of them left the day the NEG got relased.. I resubbed some months ago, and only 1 out of 250 members was left. I spoke with him and he had been on for quite a few weeks and not one other member had logged on.
3. I loved beging a bh, hunting down those PESKY jedis, killing them and gettig hate tells because they lost like a week of grinding xp.. Now if you kill someone from a bh terminal, they dont loose xp, or anything really, so theres no fun in it, its just mastubation.
I need atleast all these 3 things to be fixed before i return. This will never happen, i know. But even if they change these things i proberly wont return anyway, because SOE dont like or listen to their subs. They will do as they se fit, and will NEVER listen to what any subscriber has to say about it. But AO is comming with a brand spanking new graphic engine, so there is a a great scifi mmo, that will get playble agian, i wont care anyway....
Hey...OP....how do you like the fact that SOE just announced the coming nerf of Block Chance? How do you think the players who spent millions on block suits and instanc tokens on jewelry feel? All that work, time, and money, made worthless in a heart-beat? you see, THEY STILL HAVN"T LEARNED ANYTHING FROM NGE. They are still doing it, every couple of months, with these baby NGEs. People don't want to spend all that time and $$ making their character just right, and have it all gone at a whim. And SOE does this to it's players, over and over and over again. (Glancing blow, anyone?) I guarantee a lot more people leave SWG because of this nerf...and there aren't that many people left in the game as it is.
Its not an enormous nerf, its something that needed to be done to make things a little more balanced, block suits will still be useful, on par with all the other stats, you cant buy instance tokens anyway and its certainly not made worthless (regardless of the fact that they will have 5 other different stats on that suit anyway). Im not sure how you can compare, altering the ratio to balance something out a bit with the NGE. I doubt anyone will leave over them tinkering with a single statistic that will still be effective.
I'm not even complaining about the nerf, really. It's more of a "here we go again", with SOE making a change that negatively impacts the majority of the player base, that no one wants!
And no, you're right. You can't buy instance tokens. you have to find groups in almost deserted servers that aren't made up entirely of jedi, and farm the damn things off instances who's difficulty was designed around combat mechanics which are about to change once again.
And you have to do these instances over, and over, and over again. While waiting for a lockout timer to expire each time.
It's not because of one nerf that people leave the game, it's because it happens constantly, and people are sick of it.
It may affect quite a few people, ones who pvp and pve, but its debatable whether its effecting the majority of the player base, secondly, most people DO want it, it made players overpowered (or over-defensed rather), most people are saying about time. Servers i play on i have no problem finding groups, easy to go with my guild but i, as do most, get so many invitations for groups that i cant fit all of them in because my lockout is still there. How are the combat mechanics about to change? lol and how is it farming? You do do them over and over, but they are fun! Im afraid to tell you, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Officers and BH want it. Block stacking was really the only way to balance out crit stackers. The rest of the population doesn't, as is obvious by the Official forums.
Servers you play on, eh? Bria is about the only US server with any real population left...even Ahazi is suffering now.
Good, YOU have a good guild with an instance team. Not everyone in the game does...for the majority of the population it is serious effort to get enough tokens to get a 5-set. I see posts from people who are lucky to get an instance run every other week. How much time do you think they have invested?
And "How is it farming?"?? Seriously?? Do you really play this game? Everythng is farming now, especially with the collection system, which is just a way to make....more farming! You do them over and over.....you said it. Over, and over, and over. They may be still fun for you now, but give it a while. Eventually even you will grow sick of the mind-numbing repetition. I guess you never did HK runs every day for two years...
Oh...and....after 4 1/2 years of playing SWG, seeing it in all it's incarnations, playing every profession pre and post NGE, capping three accounts worth of toons on Bria, Ahazi and Bloodfin...I know what I am talking about, I assure you.
What I find rather funny is how long it took them to issue a simple value change on already existing code...especially when I hear that they've been aware of it for, like, a year. I could care less about a nerf...but jesus, just how bad are these coders that they can't be bothered to hit the delete key and type a new value in? It REALLY isn't that hard, it's far harder programming in the animations and textures and how the values interact with each other. It doesn't take anyone else that kind of time to address something so simple, hell sometimes WoW does it in "mini" patches. Meh.
But this is what happens when you have a bug list longer than the U.S. Budget that is growing faster than your understaffed team can address them. Really the only way to avoid it is to have a stable, completed set of code at release and an adequate team to identify and resolve issues that arise during gameplay.
When you ship half-finished and then slap a couple major cobbled-together changes to the code base that weren't ready either, lose most of your experienced coders, and then understaff with people who don't have a comprehensive understanding of the history of the code base .... this is really the only result you can expect.
While I am mad about what Lucas Arts Made SOE do to SWG back in 2005 and 2004, moaning and whining over it and w/e else you're doing is a waste of time.
You kids and adults seem to forget that LEC controls what SoE develops for SW:G. You blame and flame and scream at SOE....but one in a thousand complains that it was Lucas Arts/LEC fault for wanting to attract the Numbers that WoW draws.
I am just soooo tired of you people harping on what SOE did to your game. One would think by reading the threads in the Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer.
So...there is the Gauntlet. Heres the question:
When was the last time anyone here actually Logged INTO SW:G? Pre-2006? Expertise for Spy or Smuggler? Chapter 6 AI Combat adjustment? Chapter 7 The Return of Aurilla, Dathomir, Heroics and Collections? Chapter 8 Space Collections and ISD Heroic? Anyone here take advantage of the 14 or 21 Day Trials? Or the Buddy Program? Anyone actually Log in to see how active Bria or Starsider or Chilastra or Gorath or Intrepid is currently? Or are all of you so bitter that your too chicken to log in and find that you might actually enoy it?
I Am a 9 Time Elder on Intrepid. I have the ORH. I have Completed the fate of the galaxy quest for the Shard of Retribution. I also have over 120 Badges.
I am sick of seeing you people not move on or grow a clue.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about something that happend Over 2 years and 2 months about at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
Talking about people whi have no life away from their computer you my friend need to take a hard look at yourself before accusing others with your so called accomplishments in SWG apparantly you do not leave your computer. Players have the right to express frustration,Anger or whatever else they want to express it is a free country . If you do not like what they say or do do not read their posts simple as that.
There is a lot of cool CONTENT that they are missing out on because they can't take a minute and give it a try. 99% of the People that played SW:G and left because of the CURB or NGE or whatever the reason was can afford to Blow 15 bucks to try this game now for 30 days or until they get bored with it. 2 new Jedi Crystals, New specials and procs, SEA's are back in stackable ways...
I will admit to being an Elder Ranger for Life....but after over 1100 days on my main server I am still having Fun with the game.
And I still catch a forum ban for telling Sony what I think.
Come back...its Fun again.
Content? I want to craft inside of an interesting system. I want my in game business to take skills that aren't hard-coded into the game. I want to make use of my efforts collecting resources for two years so I'd have the best. I want to make use of the armor I'd crafted, had crated and ready for sale before the CU.
WHERE THE **** IS ANY OF THAT STUFF IN THIS NEW CONTENT?
Just by the way, I have moved on. It's just that I was eating a bagel and had already read everything I wanted to on that "other" mmorpg site. I need both hands to play UO.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about somethingthat happend Over 2 years and 2 monthsabout at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
I've now played SWG, COH/COV, and WOW. Never have I seen or heard of new things being done to a game at the expense of player progress like I've seen it in SWG, over and over again. It's almost as if they don't know how to add something to the game without disabling something, breaking something, removing something, rendering valuable things worthless, or erasing someone's progress. Yet another HUGE reason this game is struggling.
I remember after the removal of all faction progress, some people expressed concerns about it on the official forums. Once again they were called whiners, moaners, and told to get over it, like it or get the f**k out. I guess you're only welcome there if you enjoy having your stuff removed, broken or invalidated. I now understand why I don't fit in.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about somethingthat happend Over 2 years and 2 monthsabout at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
i am glad to see him back as well and back on our side and not defending $OE.
here's the point fanbois we played the game long before any of you did. we really don't care what any of you fanbois have to say about the game. it is our game. not yours our game.
$OE needs to understand this and you need to understand this. do you think this block nerf is just the first thing they will do. it's not they will nerf everything and then by the end of the year do another nge like system. maybe this time ripping EVE or AOC off. and what do you fanbois do you give $OE and LA more money so they can put out more games we didn't want.
so here is what you fanbois need to do. see that we vets are right about the game you need to support us and our war on $OE. you need to leave any $OE game that comes out and go onto other forums and talk about how $OE rips everyone off. you need to send in leters to webcomics that people read. you need to send more letters in to gaming websites. you need to send in emails to news sites and tell them that we are still being robbed.
if you fanbois care about the game it's time you support who really cares about this game. us vets not those greedy men at $OE who just want to make a buck. not the fanbots that come here and post about how the game is fun again. you need to protest and get things going in other games and show the world that $OE is just out to rip everyone off.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about somethingthat happend Over 2 years and 2 monthsabout at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
I've now played SWG, COH/COV, and WOW. Never have I seen or heard of new things being done to a game at the expense of player progress like I've seen it in SWG, over and over again. It's almost as if they don't know how to add something to the game without disabling something, breaking something, removing something, rendering valuable things worthless, or erasing someone's progress. Yet another HUGE reason this game is struggling.
I remember after the removal of all faction progress, some people expressed concerns about it on the official forums. Once again they were called whiners, moaners, and told to get over it, like it or get the f**k out. I guess you're only welcome there if you enjoy having your stuff removed, broken or invalidated. I now understand why I don't fit in.
indeed. They lie, then lie some more, then they get caught, and lie some more. I am amazed they think they can actually get away with it. They don't, and the tiny size of the playerbase shows this. The campaign being launched by the SOE fanboys is very sad.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about somethingthat happend Over 2 years and 2 monthsabout at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
i am glad to see him back as well and back on our side and not defending $OE.
here's the point fanbois we played the game long before any of you did. we really don't care what any of you fanbois have to say about the game. it is our game. not yours our game.
$OE needs to understand this and you need to understand this. do you think this block nerf is just the first thing they will do. it's not they will nerf everything and then by the end of the year do another nge like system. maybe this time ripping EVE or AOC off. and what do you fanbois do you give $OE and LA more money so they can put out more games we didn't want.
so here is what you fanbois need to do. see that we vets are right about the game you need to support us and our war on $OE. you need to leave any $OE game that comes out and go onto other forums and talk about how $OE rips everyone off. you need to send in leters to webcomics that people read. you need to send more letters in to gaming websites. you need to send in emails to news sites and tell them that we are still being robbed.
if you fanbois care about the game it's time you support who really cares about this game. us vets not those greedy men at $OE who just want to make a buck. not the fanbots that come here and post about how the game is fun again. you need to protest and get things going in other games and show the world that $OE is just out to rip everyone off.
just remember I never had more than guarded optimism. The moment I saw they were lying, they "lost" me again.
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Believe me somewhere at sometime, some game will pull the same stunt. With someone at that game saying "Oh we won't do it like SOE did, this time it will be better!" It will happen, mostly due to people being 'human' and thinking they can make more money off of something. Hell for the most part Ultima Online got NGE'd in 2000 with Trammel. Believe me their are still people screaming that the game should have Classic Servers! And that change was just getting people away from Player Killers and Thief's. Same amount of yelling and screaming from the Player Base. Same posts of "Classic Servers or Rollback!" the same doom posts of "UO will be shut down in (X Amount) of (time here)!"
And that change was just due to EA deciding that the old game just didn't work, and people did stay away before it thanks to UO's rep of slow skill gain. And going out of town had you trying to recall before the 187 clan of Player Killers lead by "ikillnoobz" and his mindless lacky's named after WWF Wrestlers, gangsta rappers, and maybe one of the Tiny Toons, killed you, trapped your ghost, and emoted things over your body that would get you in real life thrown in prison for a damn long time.
The fact is this, games will get changed... Even if it's not an NGE someone at the game will decide that one of the Classes or Skills is too powerful and nerf it, ticking people off. It's happened for years, be it a nerf of a few Classes on a MUD. To nerfing or changing a Weapon in an FPS. Or even changing the game... Hit the Fallout 3 forums and see how the old Fallout fans are screaming about Fallout 3 being more 'Elder Scrolls' like, rather then going with the outdated system that Fallout 1 and 2 had... Hell I've seen people screaming about how BioShock isn't System Shock 2, or how Call of Duty 4 should have been based in World War 2... Cuz ya know the Call of Duty name means it's a World War 2 game...
And dear god it happens to Pen and Paper RPG's as well! I myself just started playing Dungeons and Dragons again. And at the place I play at some of the people that go there HATE the new rules and setting. And almost all of them are just down right screaming about the new rules set coming out, that is planing on making D&D more 'WoW' like.
So the big over all point is, games change. Sometimes it's something small that will tick people off, and sometimes it's something big that will tick more people off. It's going to happen, and really you guys can scream untill your blue in the face, but it was still going to change.
you have all of your info wrong and are lieing on most of it mikemb.no dev will ever do an nge again thanks to us. if they do then the samething that happen to swg will happen to that game. a player base of under 10k and they will most likely shut down.
ultima sucked after ultima online renaissance. what made uo great was the fact that people had that freedom to do what they wanted. ea would have made more money if the game was rolled back or had classic servers. and once again you are telling a lie. those kinds of players didn't play uo. all the player killers i knew did role play and never did anything like that. they had been the lifeblood of that game.
and all the changes to games have made them bomb.
fallout 3 shouldn't be a elder scrolls clone and the makers are turning it into it. it should go back to the people who made the first fallout. it is their game.
bioshock sucked it's overrated and everyone knows that. the real game of the year should have gone to uncharted. a game that had a better storyline and looked much better. all bioshock tried to be was doom with spells and a bad storyline.
call of duty 4 who is going to play that? it's a kiddie game filled with people trash talking one another.
and look at how well dungeons and dragons is doing. the online game isn't good. and the new rules are just bad. why do you think neverwinter nights 1 and 2 bombed.
you don't get it do you mikemb. this is a war. more and more people like blizzard and microsoft and nintendo are turning our games into kiddie games. we want games that are hard. we want to be rewarded for time spent in the game. and look at how well all of them have done. warcraft just has 13 year olds running around insulting one another. you didn't see that in swg pvp you never saw that cuz we are all adults. the xbox has failed microsoft sells a system that breaks down every month and xbox live is filled with racist 13 year olds who have ruined every game. and the wii is a joke makers are turning away from it due it it's controls.
that's what soe did to us they wanted to bring the 13 year olds in and kill off good rp and pvp and turn the game into a joke. that is why us vets have won now others are seeing that we are the market they should be going after. we are loyal and care more about games then someone like yourself.
so i am going to ask you to please remove yourself from this forum mikemb. we no longer wish to hear your lies.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Wow. Selfish much?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Believe me somewhere at sometime, some game will pull the same stunt. With someone at that game saying "Oh we won't do it like SOE did, this time it will be better!" It will happen, mostly due to people being 'human' and thinking they can make more money off of something. Hell for the most part Ultima Online got NGE'd in 2000 with Trammel. Believe me their are still people screaming that the game should have Classic Servers! And that change was just getting people away from Player Killers and Thief's. Same amount of yelling and screaming from the Player Base. Same posts of "Classic Servers or Rollback!" the same doom posts of "UO will be shut down in (X Amount) of (time here)!"
And that change was just due to EA deciding that the old game just didn't work, and people did stay away before it thanks to UO's rep of slow skill gain. And going out of town had you trying to recall before the 187 clan of Player Killers lead by "ikillnoobz" and his mindless lacky's named after WWF Wrestlers, gangsta rappers, and maybe one of the Tiny Toons, killed you, trapped your ghost, and emoted things over your body that would get you in real life thrown in prison for a damn long time.
The fact is this, games will get changed... Even if it's not an NGE someone at the game will decide that one of the Classes or Skills is too powerful and nerf it, ticking people off. It's happened for years, be it a nerf of a few Classes on a MUD. To nerfing or changing a Weapon in an FPS. Or even changing the game... Hit the Fallout 3 forums and see how the old Fallout fans are screaming about Fallout 3 being more 'Elder Scrolls' like, rather then going with the outdated system that Fallout 1 and 2 had... Hell I've seen people screaming about how BioShock isn't System Shock 2, or how Call of Duty 4 should have been based in World War 2... Cuz ya know the Call of Duty name means it's a World War 2 game...
And dear god it happens to Pen and Paper RPG's as well! I myself just started playing Dungeons and Dragons again. And at the place I play at some of the people that go there HATE the new rules and setting. And almost all of them are just down right screaming about the new rules set coming out, that is planing on making D&D more 'WoW' like.
So the big over all point is, games change. Sometimes it's something small that will tick people off, and sometimes it's something big that will tick more people off. It's going to happen, and really you guys can scream untill your blue in the face, but it was still going to change.
Well first off, I agree that games change. In many cases they should too.What sets this whole deal apart for me is really 2 main things.
The first is how badly misled everyone was, intentionally, when SOE and LA marketted the Trials of ObiWan expansion without ever mentioning that they were going to implement the NGE. I mean, they sold people things they knew they were going to immediately delete. That's just wrong no matter how you look at it, and I've never seen anything like that before or since from a service provider. I truly doubt that will ever happen again. Imagine all the money they lost through that maneuver alone with all the refunds they had to give for the misrepresented expansion. Then add to that all the money they lost via cancelled subscriptions. No, that was not your standard example of "this game may change over time."
Also, this wasn't modifications being made to an existing game system, this was one game being chucked out and replaced by another one, only bearing the same name. Heck even the promotional adds for the CU said it was like a whole new game. They also blatantly admitted that this "new game" was "wow-inspired." The NGE took that concept even further. On top of that, one SOE exec was quoted in the Washington post saying that they knew they were going to lose a lot of their original playerbase. They didn't care because they intended to replace us with a new and bigger player community. That was callous disregard for an entire consumer-base. It was outrageously uncaring towards the players, and it was outright bad business.
Further, thousands of players and some of their own staff gave SOE this information before they went ahead and pulled the NGE trigger. Rather than trying to fix this horrifying mess with some small act of good faith and reparation (e.g. a classic server) the people that tried to warn SOE get blamed for all the bad press.
No, I'm afraid this is a very unique situation that is screwed up on so many levels that it's nearly indescribable. Here's hoping that it remains a very unique situation.
Wow. Selfish much?
We were lied to, mistreated, betrayed, and had something we invested a LOT of time into suddenly taken away from us in an unethical and probably illegal manner.
I think it is safe to say that most of us will be satisfied when SWG closes the doors for good.
Wow. Selfish much?
It is not really a matter of being selfish it is a matter of being practical. I dont want anything from SOE. I wouldnt play even if they did open a Pre-CU server. Star Wars however is one of the most popular and recognized IP's in the world and it represented in the MMO world by SWG and SOE? That right there is just a shame. SOE has shown themselves to be incompetent for many years now. This game is the joke of the industry. The "what not to do" to your MMO and community. Star Wars deserves far better than this.
The only real solution to this problem is for SWG to be given to another company getting it as far away from SOE as possible or for it to die and LA gives the IP to another developer. I personally think that LA will shut this thing down when they have something else to replace it with. From a business stand point it only makes sense to try and distance yourself from this abomination and start over again with a new developer and a new game.
Wow. Selfish much?
You should learn to paraphrase, or perhaps learn to read in general. Your "in other words" has nothing to do with his statement, even "between" the lines. Hell, his statement wasn't really written well enough to derive anything...
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Im a swg vet... but I have never (until today) cryed over the NGE and whatever.. but its really really bad and SoE are fascists, thank you haha
Ouch! Hipiap (the OP of this thread) just got bit by the SOE nerf squad:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=584565�
Now do you see our point?
what was about ? usually mute,delete, ban material at sucker boards like customers not happy with a change ?
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
You people need to get over it for gods sake.
While I am mad about what Lucas Arts Made SOE do to SWG back in 2005 and 2004, moaning and whining over it and w/e else you're doing is a waste of time.
You kids and adults seem to forget that LEC controls what SoE develops for SW:G.
You blame and flame and scream at SOE....but one in a thousand complains that it was Lucas Arts/LEC fault for wanting to attract the Numbers that WoW draws.
I am just soooo tired of you people harping on what SOE did to your game. One would think by reading the threads in the Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer.
So...there is the Gauntlet.
Heres the question:
When was the last time anyone here actually Logged INTO SW:G?
Not sure what chapter it was, but I last logged in at the beginning for Dec 07, just before my account expired.
Pre-2006?
Expertise for Spy or Smuggler?
Chapter 6 AI Combat adjustment?
Chapter 7 The Return of Aurilla, Dathomir, Heroics and Collections?
Chapter 8 Space Collections and ISD Heroic?
Anyone here take advantage of the 14 or 21 Day Trials? Or the Buddy Program?
Anyone actually Log in to see how active Bria or Starsider or Chilastra or Gorath or Intrepid is currently?
I played on the Eclipse server and the last time I was there is seemed pretty dead. I didn't see anyone outside the Theed starport like there usually is, or in the city. I know Eclipse was never a popular as the ones you mentioned, but it did have a pretty good population before the NGE came out.
Or are all of you so bitter that your too chicken to log in and find that you might actually enoy it?
The biggest problem I have is that most of the content they are add seems to be a rehash of the old stuff they took away. Also it seems they are trying to finally add group content, but it almost impossible to find people to group with. Especially since they nerfed the group XP.
I Am a 9 Time Elder on Intrepid. I have the ORH. I have Completed the fate of the galaxy quest for the Shard of Retribution. I also have over 120 Badges.
I was a player since July 2004, and enjoyed both pre-CU and Cu versions of the game.
I am sick of seeing you people not move on or grow a clue.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about something that happend Over 2 years and 2 months about at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
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As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
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Its not an enormous nerf, its something that needed to be done to make things a little more balanced, block suits will still be useful, on par with all the other stats, you cant buy instance tokens anyway and its certainly not made worthless (regardless of the fact that they will have 5 other different stats on that suit anyway). Im not sure how you can compare, altering the ratio to balance something out a bit with the NGE. I doubt anyone will leave over them tinkering with a single statistic that will still be effective.
I'm not even complaining about the nerf, really. It's more of a "here we go again", with SOE making a change that negatively impacts the majority of the player base, that no one wants!And no, you're right. You can't buy instance tokens. you have to find groups in almost deserted servers that aren't made up entirely of jedi, and farm the damn things off instances who's difficulty was designed around combat mechanics which are about to change once again.
And you have to do these instances over, and over, and over again. While waiting for a lockout timer to expire each time.
It's not because of one nerf that people leave the game, it's because it happens constantly, and people are sick of it.
It may affect quite a few people, ones who pvp and pve, but its debatable whether its effecting the majority of the player base, secondly, most people DO want it, it made players overpowered (or over-defensed rather), most people are saying about time. Servers i play on i have no problem finding groups, easy to go with my guild but i, as do most, get so many invitations for groups that i cant fit all of them in because my lockout is still there. How are the combat mechanics about to change? lol and how is it farming? You do do them over and over, but they are fun! Im afraid to tell you, you have no idea what you are talking about.What I find rather funny is how long it took them to issue a simple value change on already existing code...especially when I hear that they've been aware of it for, like, a year.
I could care less about a nerf...but jesus, just how bad are these coders that they can't be bothered to hit the delete key and type a new value in? It REALLY isn't that hard, it's far harder programming in the animations and textures and how the values interact with each other. It doesn't take anyone else that kind of time to address something so simple, hell sometimes WoW does it in "mini" patches. Meh.
Well for me its several reasons, why i dont return.
1. You cant just master what you want like in a week, and then have fun with it, like it was before.. Now you just keep grinding and leveling like in most other mmos i hate that.
2. The main reason i played was because of my guild, i loved my guild and we had alot of fun, but 99% of them left the day the NEG got relased.. I resubbed some months ago, and only 1 out of 250 members was left. I spoke with him and he had been on for quite a few weeks and not one other member had logged on.
3. I loved beging a bh, hunting down those PESKY jedis, killing them and gettig hate tells because they lost like a week of grinding xp.. Now if you kill someone from a bh terminal, they dont loose xp, or anything really, so theres no fun in it, its just mastubation.
I need atleast all these 3 things to be fixed before i return. This will never happen, i know. But even if they change these things i proberly wont return anyway, because SOE dont like or listen to their subs. They will do as they se fit, and will NEVER listen to what any subscriber has to say about it. But AO is comming with a brand spanking new graphic engine, so there is a a great scifi mmo, that will get playble agian, i wont care anyway....
Its not an enormous nerf, its something that needed to be done to make things a little more balanced, block suits will still be useful, on par with all the other stats, you cant buy instance tokens anyway and its certainly not made worthless (regardless of the fact that they will have 5 other different stats on that suit anyway). Im not sure how you can compare, altering the ratio to balance something out a bit with the NGE. I doubt anyone will leave over them tinkering with a single statistic that will still be effective.
I'm not even complaining about the nerf, really. It's more of a "here we go again", with SOE making a change that negatively impacts the majority of the player base, that no one wants!And no, you're right. You can't buy instance tokens. you have to find groups in almost deserted servers that aren't made up entirely of jedi, and farm the damn things off instances who's difficulty was designed around combat mechanics which are about to change once again.
And you have to do these instances over, and over, and over again. While waiting for a lockout timer to expire each time.
It's not because of one nerf that people leave the game, it's because it happens constantly, and people are sick of it.
It may affect quite a few people, ones who pvp and pve, but its debatable whether its effecting the majority of the player base, secondly, most people DO want it, it made players overpowered (or over-defensed rather), most people are saying about time. Servers i play on i have no problem finding groups, easy to go with my guild but i, as do most, get so many invitations for groups that i cant fit all of them in because my lockout is still there. How are the combat mechanics about to change? lol and how is it farming? You do do them over and over, but they are fun! Im afraid to tell you, you have no idea what you are talking about.Officers and BH want it. Block stacking was really the only way to balance out crit stackers. The rest of the population doesn't, as is obvious by the Official forums.
Servers you play on, eh? Bria is about the only US server with any real population left...even Ahazi is suffering now.
Good, YOU have a good guild with an instance team. Not everyone in the game does...for the majority of the population it is serious effort to get enough tokens to get a 5-set. I see posts from people who are lucky to get an instance run every other week. How much time do you think they have invested?
And "How is it farming?"?? Seriously?? Do you really play this game? Everythng is farming now, especially with the collection system, which is just a way to make....more farming! You do them over and over.....you said it. Over, and over, and over. They may be still fun for you now, but give it a while. Eventually even you will grow sick of the mind-numbing repetition. I guess you never did HK runs every day for two years...
Oh...and....after 4 1/2 years of playing SWG, seeing it in all it's incarnations, playing every profession pre and post NGE, capping three accounts worth of toons on Bria, Ahazi and Bloodfin...I know what I am talking about, I assure you.
When you ship half-finished and then slap a couple major cobbled-together changes to the code base that weren't ready either, lose most of your experienced coders, and then understaff with people who don't have a comprehensive understanding of the history of the code base .... this is really the only result you can expect.
Talking about people whi have no life away from their computer you my friend need to take a hard look at yourself before accusing others with your so called accomplishments in SWG apparantly you do not leave your computer. Players have the right to express frustration,Anger or whatever else they want to express it is a free country . If you do not like what they say or do do not read their posts simple as that.
I tried to report the OP as it's obviously flaming and against the RoC, but it looks like somebody beat me to it.
Lo and behold the thread is still here. Double standards much?
Content? I want to craft inside of an interesting system. I want my in game business to take skills that aren't hard-coded into the game. I want to make use of my efforts collecting resources for two years so I'd have the best. I want to make use of the armor I'd crafted, had crated and ready for sale before the CU.
WHERE THE **** IS ANY OF THAT STUFF IN THIS NEW CONTENT?
Just by the way, I have moved on. It's just that I was eating a bagel and had already read everything I wanted to on that "other" mmorpg site. I need both hands to play UO.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
I've now played SWG, COH/COV, and WOW. Never have I seen or heard of new things being done to a game at the expense of player progress like I've seen it in SWG, over and over again. It's almost as if they don't know how to add something to the game without disabling something, breaking something, removing something, rendering valuable things worthless, or erasing someone's progress. Yet another HUGE reason this game is struggling.
I remember after the removal of all faction progress, some people expressed concerns about it on the official forums. Once again they were called whiners, moaners, and told to get over it, like it or get the f**k out. I guess you're only welcome there if you enjoy having your stuff removed, broken or invalidated. I now understand why I don't fit in.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
i am glad to see him back as well and back on our side and not defending $OE.here's the point fanbois we played the game long before any of you did. we really don't care what any of you fanbois have to say about the game. it is our game. not yours our game.
$OE needs to understand this and you need to understand this. do you think this block nerf is just the first thing they will do. it's not they will nerf everything and then by the end of the year do another nge like system. maybe this time ripping EVE or AOC off. and what do you fanbois do you give $OE and LA more money so they can put out more games we didn't want.
so here is what you fanbois need to do. see that we vets are right about the game you need to support us and our war on $OE. you need to leave any $OE game that comes out and go onto other forums and talk about how $OE rips everyone off. you need to send in leters to webcomics that people read. you need to send more letters in to gaming websites. you need to send in emails to news sites and tell them that we are still being robbed.
if you fanbois care about the game it's time you support who really cares about this game. us vets not those greedy men at $OE who just want to make a buck. not the fanbots that come here and post about how the game is fun again. you need to protest and get things going in other games and show the world that $OE is just out to rip everyone off.
As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
I've now played SWG, COH/COV, and WOW. Never have I seen or heard of new things being done to a game at the expense of player progress like I've seen it in SWG, over and over again. It's almost as if they don't know how to add something to the game without disabling something, breaking something, removing something, rendering valuable things worthless, or erasing someone's progress. Yet another HUGE reason this game is struggling.
I remember after the removal of all faction progress, some people expressed concerns about it on the official forums. Once again they were called whiners, moaners, and told to get over it, like it or get the f**k out. I guess you're only welcome there if you enjoy having your stuff removed, broken or invalidated. I now understand why I don't fit in.
indeed. They lie, then lie some more, then they get caught, and lie some more. I am amazed they think they can actually get away with it. They don't, and the tiny size of the playerbase shows this. The campaign being launched by the SOE fanboys is very sad.
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As far as i know the stupid "iconic" classes are still in game... right ? we talking about the ugly bug still exist and still isn't fixed.
Thats only top of iceberg from abigger list of bugs introduced by CU/NGE like levels, is an ETA on when levels gets fixed ? There is a bug called current combat too is there an ETA when the turn-based styleof combat replaces the current bug ?
Decay is bugged too, ETA on removing the bug so items decay again ?
There is a bug with wounds, There arn't any ,ETA when this gets fixed ?
There is a bug with tons of specials like "unarmedhit 3" when this bug get fixed ? any ETA on this ?
There is a bug with Jedi , if i crate a new toon i can choose to be Jedi , ETA on fixing this bug ?
Plus, they continue to cavalierly disregard players, and continue to change the game in such a way as each time, it deletes or undermines all prior effort. They have learned nothing from the NGE. They do not understand even slightly what they did wrong; this is shown by the continual repetition of the same error.
Hiya Fisher nice to see you back in the neighbourhood. Often you hear that SOE has learned from the NGE and would never invalidate player progress again. Wasn't it after claims like that when they made everyone lose all their faction ranks and start from scratch? What have they gone and done now?
i am glad to see him back as well and back on our side and not defending $OE.here's the point fanbois we played the game long before any of you did. we really don't care what any of you fanbois have to say about the game. it is our game. not yours our game.
$OE needs to understand this and you need to understand this. do you think this block nerf is just the first thing they will do. it's not they will nerf everything and then by the end of the year do another nge like system. maybe this time ripping EVE or AOC off. and what do you fanbois do you give $OE and LA more money so they can put out more games we didn't want.
so here is what you fanbois need to do. see that we vets are right about the game you need to support us and our war on $OE. you need to leave any $OE game that comes out and go onto other forums and talk about how $OE rips everyone off. you need to send in leters to webcomics that people read. you need to send more letters in to gaming websites. you need to send in emails to news sites and tell them that we are still being robbed.
if you fanbois care about the game it's time you support who really cares about this game. us vets not those greedy men at $OE who just want to make a buck. not the fanbots that come here and post about how the game is fun again. you need to protest and get things going in other games and show the world that $OE is just out to rip everyone off.
just remember I never had more than guarded optimism. The moment I saw they were lying, they "lost" me again.
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