I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
What Lie's are you talking about? I tend to see more truth than any thing ealse.
I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
If the game has brand new players happily playing, then why the outcry about declinging numbers and server merges on your official forum? The game speaks for itself...if it is good, it would attract players and you wouldn't be seeing outcries of poor population numbers, needed server merges and calls to action on other forum sites. 'Those' forums (official $OE forums) delete most negative feedback from new and current players (if they don't out right ban the posters), so what did you expect you would read?
I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
Im sorry but I can not believe that someone reads a forum and does not download a free trial because of some hate posts. It is free. They have nothing to lose but a little bit of time. You either overestimate the persuasive nature of the haters or you underestimate the intelligence of the potential SWG customer.
I am not saying that some of the haters dont troll. I would say just as many of the defenders do as well. Neither one of these groups has any effect on the population of this game.
If you believe this game is better than it has been in the past you should petition sites that review games to have them do another review. People coming here just to start a flame war isnt going to help your game any more than the haters are going to hurt it. Those review sites have a lot more influence over peoples opinions than a forum like this.
I'd just like to point out that some vets who hate the game can potentially cause people to not try the game, as i have said many times, a few of them relish the chance of a post in the Discussion forums, asking should i try the game; immediately they're in there lieing just as hard as they can. Although this isnt going to have an enormous effect, it does happen often. And if you were to direct yourself over to those forums you'd see the evidence, and they evidence that the brand new players are thoroughly enjoying it.
There have been many threads on the official forums about how bad leveling is in the game and how most new players get fed up and leave before they even get to 90. They have trouble retaining those who even do try it.
While I am mad about what Lucas Arts Made SOE do to SWG back in 2005 and 2004, moaning and whining over it and w/e else you're doing is a waste of time.
You kids and adults seem to forget that LEC controls what SoE develops for SW:G. You blame and flame and scream at SOE....but one in a thousand complains that it was Lucas Arts/LEC fault for wanting to attract the Numbers that WoW draws.
I am just soooo tired of you people harping on what SOE did to your game. One would think by reading the threads in the Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer.
So...there is the Gauntlet. Heres the question:
When was the last time anyone here actually Logged INTO SW:G? Pre-2006? Expertise for Spy or Smuggler? Chapter 6 AI Combat adjustment? Chapter 7 The Return of Aurilla, Dathomir, Heroics and Collections? Chapter 8 Space Collections and ISD Heroic? Anyone here take advantage of the 14 or 21 Day Trials? Or the Buddy Program? Anyone actually Log in to see how active Bria or Starsider or Chilastra or Gorath or Intrepid is currently? Or are all of you so bitter that your too chicken to log in and find that you might actually enoy it?
I Am a 9 Time Elder on Intrepid. I have the ORH. I have Completed the fate of the galaxy quest for the Shard of Retribution. I also have over 120 Badges.
I am sick of seeing you people not move on or grow a clue.
Play SW:G or play something else. Quit complaining about something that happend Over 2 years and 2 months about at minimum. And if some of you are still pi55ed over the Cu....well....Log in....the game is difficult and takes thought.
Yeah, tried a trial a few months back ... still hate the NGE movement/targeting, still hate that all my pre-NGE work was rendered invalid with a wave of a corporate pen, still hate Jedi as a starting profession, still hate how non-combat professions were gutted and rendered more or less meaningless.
All that being said, what it all boils down to is that when they pushed the NGE out, they abandoned the game I bought and asked me to pay for a new, simpler, cheaper, not-even-remotely finished game in its place. For the same price. Pass. That there are people who can purchase and enjoy the game they replaced Galaxies with isn't surprising ... that the group that does enjoy the game they replaced Galaxies with isn't big enough to really constitute a successful MMO isn't surprising either.
It's a project that was poorly, incompetently managed before the NGE and then unethically managed with the way the NGE was deployed. Experience tells me that the execs behind this project (a) don't know what they're doing, (b) will change what they're doing at the drop of a hat, and (c) will tell potential customers *anything* to squeeze a dime out of them for one more month, making promise after promise they haven't got the slightest intention of fulfilling.
If you can do business with folks like that ... more power to you. I'd rather look for a product from a company that hasn't already proved to me that they're lousy at what they do and dishonest in the process of doing it.
i suppose you came here and posted this because you have / had a very clear picture of "angry vets" in mind
something like people who are angry and full of hate all day and night
did you expect very detailed and reaosned replies at all ?
must have been a suprise for you
and now i offer you another point of view ( i am in generous mood atm ... not angry hehe )
so you are paying to play a game that you enjoy today
what do you think why you are able to enjoy playing the same game tomorrow ?
in short form
"They aren't beating that horse to try and make it more dead then it was a year ago. They are beating it to serve an example to other horses, alive and watching." ( not from me )
in detail :
for players games are hobby
something to entertain them
for companys games are business
something to make money
what prevents a company from betraying ....
.... my point of view : the basic deal is that if i pay every month for a game
i pay for :
- the servers getting hosted
- bugs getting fixed
- contend added ( i am willing to pay extra for expansions )
- techincal and gameplay support
- features getting added
in the case of swg -- they hosted the servers and instead of providing the rest they secretly developed a diffrent kind of of game -> for me that means that soe betrayed me
like paying to play donkey kong and instead of improving it soe delievered a buggy nearly unplayable version of pacman and the only commend about it was something like "We thought about it and came to the conclusion that you would like it more then the game you payed us to play, and if you dont like it - just get lost because we are convinced that you will be replaced by other players without a problem."
...., lieing ( do i realy have to dig out all the "the cu is here to stay", "smuggler contend", "working as intended", "there is no gamechange comming" and all the other lies ? ) ...
.... and unethical business behavior towords their customers if they are convinced that it will increase their income ?
i will tell you what prevents a company from doing this
- "not getting over it"
- "beating the dead horse again"
- trying to tell ervery possible customer of that company the truth about their business behavior
and as a result making betraying, lieing and unethical business behavior an unprofitable way to run a business
i think in the end that you are able to play your favorite game not only today but even tomorrow is a direct result of those "angry vets"
maybe you just should say "thank you" log in the game of your choice (even if it might be NGE swg) and enjoy your time
don´t worry ... others are holding the line for you
Our testament and resolve is the only thing preventing other companies from doing similar things to their players. Now, not one company out there is going to be stupid enough to attempt such a move ever again because they KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we will not only leave...but also remove ourselves from anything else that company ever tries to do.
You do NOT get to steal from me, and you do NOT get to lie to me about what I'm paying for. In any other line of business...what SOE and LA did to us would have landed them in court. Getting a Sedan when you are paying for a Ferrari is no laughing matter.
While I am mad about what Lucas Arts Made SOE do to SWG back in 2005 and 2004, moaning and whining over it and w/e else you're doing is a waste of time.
You kids and adults seem to forget that LEC controls what SoE develops for SW:G. You blame and flame and scream at SOE....but one in a thousand complains that it was Lucas Arts/LEC fault for wanting to attract the Numbers that WoW draws.
I am just soooo tired of you people harping on what SOE did to your game. One would think by reading the threads in the Veteran's Refuge that you people have no life away from the Computer.
You shouldn't come into a forum and tell people to stop discussing something and then start discussing it two lines later in your post. You just come off as someone who not only wants the last word in a discussion, but is the only person that is allowed to discuss something.
For the record, I think many people are "over it", but that doesn't mean it should just be swept under the rug and ignored unless you also want people to stop talking about the great times they have had in games to be fair.
P.S. If you are so tired of reading about the complaints you can always just stop visiting this section of the forums. Problem solved?
EDIT Sorry, got confused about the chapter numbers so yeah, my last log in was during Chapter 7.
I have many times in the past pointed out that LA is run by infected gerbils, or possibly MBA's, either way its the same deal.
I finally quit because it became apparent to me that the direction of the game wasn't going where I wanted it to. A year ago I believed that with the Expertise system and other improvements that they were going to bring back more choice and immersion that we had lost, instead they've made it clear that they will continue to move towards ripping off other MMO's ideas that were done years ago and done better. Why play a WoW clone when I can play WoW which has many times more the content and far fewer bugs?
So yeah, being angry for two years is a bit extreme. However my anger is fresh and new and I'm glad to have a place to discuss it.
I haven't yet read all the posts from page 1 to this page. Last time I tried SWG was after chapter 6 or 7 I think
The main reason I played SWG was because I could build up the character how ever I liked,no limitations I could put all my points(250 was it?) where ever I choose. It was good system (IMO) bit unbalanced but didn't care that much about balance and was expecting it get fixed overtime.
Now it has whole new system. Level/Class based system. Me playing it has nothing to do with population! If the gameplay is bad and dumbed down I won't go back even If there was 1 million players on my server. If want to play dumbed down Level/Class based games I go play WoW / LOTRO since both are pretty good and actually works without lag and massive amount of bugs,glitches and bad animations.
The vet mentality isn't just about the hate for NGE, there is also a fair helping of the community we lost in there. In a lot of ways this forum allows us a way to kinda touch back with that community.
But hating the NGE definitely makes for a healthy dose of it.
Not mad and not complaining. I have given up and completely moved on. I check in here every once in awhile just hoping something has changed for the better, but so far I have seen nothing to remotely peak my interest. I will always remember it as my first serious MMO, but theres nothing they could do to bring me back now.
I'm not really mad anymore about it, I just think it's to bad it all ended like this because SWG could have been the best game ever, but it wasn't and still isn't. None of us would be here if SOE had never changed things like they did, so yes I blame them. They are the ones who are developing the game, not LEC. Sorry that LEC didn't approve everything they wanted in a timely manner but that's no reason to jump all over them. We all know it was SOE's idea to change things, hell Jeff Freeman himself said it was their idea all along, and I believe it. Why would someone put themselves on the line like that if they did nothing?
BTW I've seen almost every publish since SOE has given vet trials for the last few years. Last time I logged in was a few days ago and all I saw was one person I knew and she said all the players were in Restuss.
I went there and saw 20 people, not allot. Bloodfin is the emptiest I've ever seen it so I can understand the panic with the leftover players lol. I haven't had to pay for the game for over a year myself. It's enough to check if old friends are around (which they aren't) and visit memorable places. I'm not paying for that sorry.
I checked out some of the new content they added, but it's all high level group stuff, and there's no one who's willing to group for it. Plus, the village and all corresponding areas are dead. My old guild of 200+ has maybe 3 active members who are either AFK or not on. Pitiful. Once again, what is left in the game to pay for?
we already have gotten over it...however you seem to have severe problems with the fact that our speaking out about what was done to us has ensured you never get a group for your crappy NGE rewards..if you werent there you have no clue what the game used to be, and you are the one who should be pitied for being naive.
There is a lot of cool CONTENT that they are missing out on because they can't take a minute and give it a try. 99% of the People that played SW:G and left because of the CURB or NGE or whatever the reason was can afford to Blow 15 bucks to try this game now for 30 days or until they get bored with it. 2 new Jedi Crystals, New specials and procs, SEA's are back in stackable ways...
I will admit to being an Elder Ranger for Life....but after over 1100 days on my main server I am still having Fun with the game.
And I still catch a forum ban for telling Sony what I think.
Come back...its Fun again.
I can give a rats ass about the content they try to reintroduce. 3 years of my time was waisted ruining almost every item I had in game and every toon I worked on. I will NEVER play another SOE game no matter what it is.
Their engine still flys like a bus with wings strapped to it. The code is a mess of manytimes reworked into what it was not designed for. They even admitted they chose the cheap route instead of designing a new code for their so called "fast action".
They lied to, and ripped off their customer base in a failed attempt to draw a Wow crowd.
Screw you SOE. You bad buisness will get no more of my buisness
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right.
if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go.
see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down.
besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right. if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go. see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down. besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
I hope not, I hate EVEs system. If a game isn't fun enough to play to advance, the game isn't fun enough to play.
Give me a variant of AC or UO anyday. Hell, I wish someone would either mimic the Masterbook or Storyteller system.
I decided long ago after the NGE came out that it was pre-cu or nothing. That patch was a last straw for me with SWG. I have zero intention of partaking in this version of the game because its an inferior version of the game.
I've had it with SOE and have no further interest in their carrots. You want subscribers back? Give us a pre-cu server.
I think the SOE fanbois need to get over the fact that we haven't gotten over it.
It was LA who forced the hand of SOE. You do have to remember that and get Lucasartssucks.com too and inform people of how they can completely overhaul a system and force an untested system into play, and then abandon SOE when in an hour of need.
People really need to know that SOE was perfectly happy with the CU, and did not want to push the NGE, but was simply there for in game testing for possible release until LA saw it and wanted that to be the game which then fucked it for everyone.
Did LucasArts delete and ban all of our posts when they bait-and-switched all of the veterans on the SOE Official Forums as well? Nope, pretty sure that was SOE's way of handling the problem. Both LA and SOE are equally to blame for this fiasco, and both lost a lot of money because of it and because us vets won't let it go away quietly.
All the current players should thank us for our tenacity because it probably prevented this happening again any time soon.
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What Lie's are you talking about? I tend to see more truth than any thing ealse.
If the game has brand new players happily playing, then why the outcry about declinging numbers and server merges on your official forum? The game speaks for itself...if it is good, it would attract players and you wouldn't be seeing outcries of poor population numbers, needed server merges and calls to action on other forum sites. 'Those' forums (official $OE forums) delete most negative feedback from new and current players (if they don't out right ban the posters), so what did you expect you would read?
I am not saying that some of the haters dont troll. I would say just as many of the defenders do as well. Neither one of these groups has any effect on the population of this game.
If you believe this game is better than it has been in the past you should petition sites that review games to have them do another review. People coming here just to start a flame war isnt going to help your game any more than the haters are going to hurt it. Those review sites have a lot more influence over peoples opinions than a forum like this.
There have been many threads on the official forums about how bad leveling is in the game and how most new players get fed up and leave before they even get to 90. They have trouble retaining those who even do try it.
I have a question as well...
Why isn't this post considered "flaming"...?
Yeah, tried a trial a few months back ... still hate the NGE movement/targeting, still hate that all my pre-NGE work was rendered invalid with a wave of a corporate pen, still hate Jedi as a starting profession, still hate how non-combat professions were gutted and rendered more or less meaningless.
All that being said, what it all boils down to is that when they pushed the NGE out, they abandoned the game I bought and asked me to pay for a new, simpler, cheaper, not-even-remotely finished game in its place. For the same price. Pass. That there are people who can purchase and enjoy the game they replaced Galaxies with isn't surprising ... that the group that does enjoy the game they replaced Galaxies with isn't big enough to really constitute a successful MMO isn't surprising either.
It's a project that was poorly, incompetently managed before the NGE and then unethically managed with the way the NGE was deployed. Experience tells me that the execs behind this project (a) don't know what they're doing, (b) will change what they're doing at the drop of a hat, and (c) will tell potential customers *anything* to squeeze a dime out of them for one more month, making promise after promise they haven't got the slightest intention of fulfilling.
If you can do business with folks like that ... more power to you. I'd rather look for a product from a company that hasn't already proved to me that they're lousy at what they do and dishonest in the process of doing it.
"You people need to get over it for gods sake."
i suppose you came here and posted this because you have / had a very clear picture of "angry vets" in mind
something like people who are angry and full of hate all day and night
did you expect very detailed and reaosned replies at all ?
must have been a suprise for you
and now i offer you another point of view ( i am in generous mood atm ... not angry hehe )
so you are paying to play a game that you enjoy today
what do you think why you are able to enjoy playing the same game tomorrow ?
in short form
"They aren't beating that horse to try and make it more dead then it was a year ago. They are beating it to serve an example to other horses, alive and watching." ( not from me )
in detail :
for players games are hobby
something to entertain them
for companys games are business
something to make money
what prevents a company from betraying ....
.... my point of view : the basic deal is that if i pay every month for a game
i pay for :
- the servers getting hosted
- bugs getting fixed
- contend added ( i am willing to pay extra for expansions )
- techincal and gameplay support
- features getting added
in the case of swg -- they hosted the servers and instead of providing the rest they secretly developed a diffrent kind of of game -> for me that means that soe betrayed me
like paying to play donkey kong and instead of improving it soe delievered a buggy nearly unplayable version of pacman and the only commend about it was something like "We thought about it and came to the conclusion that you would like it more then the game you payed us to play, and if you dont like it - just get lost because we are convinced that you will be replaced by other players without a problem."
...., lieing ( do i realy have to dig out all the "the cu is here to stay", "smuggler contend", "working as intended", "there is no gamechange comming" and all the other lies ? ) ...
.... and unethical business behavior towords their customers if they are convinced that it will increase their income ?
i will tell you what prevents a company from doing this
- "not getting over it"
- "beating the dead horse again"
- trying to tell ervery possible customer of that company the truth about their business behavior
and as a result making betraying, lieing and unethical business behavior an unprofitable way to run a business
i think in the end that you are able to play your favorite game not only today but even tomorrow is a direct result of those "angry vets"
maybe you just should say "thank you" log in the game of your choice (even if it might be NGE swg) and enjoy your time
don´t worry ... others are holding the line for you
Very true.
Our testament and resolve is the only thing preventing other companies from doing similar things to their players. Now, not one company out there is going to be stupid enough to attempt such a move ever again because they KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we will not only leave...but also remove ourselves from anything else that company ever tries to do.
You do NOT get to steal from me, and you do NOT get to lie to me about what I'm paying for. In any other line of business...what SOE and LA did to us would have landed them in court. Getting a Sedan when you are paying for a Ferrari is no laughing matter.
You shouldn't come into a forum and tell people to stop discussing something and then start discussing it two lines later in your post. You just come off as someone who not only wants the last word in a discussion, but is the only person that is allowed to discuss something.
For the record, I think many people are "over it", but that doesn't mean it should just be swept under the rug and ignored unless you also want people to stop talking about the great times they have had in games to be fair.
P.S. If you are so tired of reading about the complaints you can always just stop visiting this section of the forums. Problem solved?
EDIT Sorry, got confused about the chapter numbers so yeah, my last log in was during Chapter 7.
I have many times in the past pointed out that LA is run by infected gerbils, or possibly MBA's, either way its the same deal.
I finally quit because it became apparent to me that the direction of the game wasn't going where I wanted it to. A year ago I believed that with the Expertise system and other improvements that they were going to bring back more choice and immersion that we had lost, instead they've made it clear that they will continue to move towards ripping off other MMO's ideas that were done years ago and done better. Why play a WoW clone when I can play WoW which has many times more the content and far fewer bugs?
So yeah, being angry for two years is a bit extreme. However my anger is fresh and new and I'm glad to have a place to discuss it.
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For OP:
I haven't yet read all the posts from page 1 to this page. Last time I tried SWG was after chapter 6 or 7 I think
The main reason I played SWG was because I could build up the character how ever I liked,no limitations I could put all my points(250 was it?) where ever I choose. It was good system (IMO) bit unbalanced but didn't care that much about balance and was expecting it get fixed overtime.
Now it has whole new system. Level/Class based system. Me playing it has nothing to do with population! If the gameplay is bad and dumbed down I won't go back even If there was 1 million players on my server. If want to play dumbed down Level/Class based games I go play WoW / LOTRO since both are pretty good and actually works without lag and massive amount of bugs,glitches and bad animations.
I guess we're glad to have you too then :P
The vet mentality isn't just about the hate for NGE, there is also a fair helping of the community we lost in there. In a lot of ways this forum allows us a way to kinda touch back with that community.
But hating the NGE definitely makes for a healthy dose of it.
Not mad and not complaining. I have given up and completely moved on. I check in here every once in awhile just hoping something has changed for the better, but so far I have seen nothing to remotely peak my interest. I will always remember it as my first serious MMO, but theres nothing they could do to bring me back now.
Hmm, I didn't technically quit. I was a ranger. Have any of the updates fixed that whole no longer able to play the profession you loved issue yet?
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I'm not really mad anymore about it, I just think it's to bad it all ended like this because SWG could have been the best game ever, but it wasn't and still isn't. None of us would be here if SOE had never changed things like they did, so yes I blame them. They are the ones who are developing the game, not LEC. Sorry that LEC didn't approve everything they wanted in a timely manner but that's no reason to jump all over them. We all know it was SOE's idea to change things, hell Jeff Freeman himself said it was their idea all along, and I believe it. Why would someone put themselves on the line like that if they did nothing?
we already have gotten over it...however you seem to have severe problems with the fact that our speaking out about what was done to us has ensured you never get a group for your crappy NGE rewards..if you werent there you have no clue what the game used to be, and you are the one who should be pitied for being naive.
I can give a rats ass about the content they try to reintroduce. 3 years of my time was waisted ruining almost every item I had in game and every toon I worked on. I will NEVER play another SOE game no matter what it is.
Their engine still flys like a bus with wings strapped to it. The code is a mess of manytimes reworked into what it was not designed for. They even admitted they chose the cheap route instead of designing a new code for their so called "fast action".
They lied to, and ripped off their customer base in a failed attempt to draw a Wow crowd.
Screw you SOE. You bad buisness will get no more of my buisness
SHOHADAKU
arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.
HAHA! That describes what NGE avatar combat looks like. All I can think of is the Benny Hill theme song when trying to fight in NGE.
SHOHADAKU
arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.
ok fanbois you had your fun but as you see we vets are right.
if you want to stay here and hear the truth about soe and swg then go ahead. if you want to run your mouths about how swg is a great game. then please go to another forum like the main swg one. where all of you and the other 10 people who like the nge can go.
see we have 250k people who will get the pre-cu back or have swg shutdown. look how how well soe is doing it won't take that long. i will laugh if soe doesn't do anything and by the end of the year shuts down.
besides eve online is the better game with 500k and growing. by the end of the year almost every mmo in the works will have a system like eve's leaving the dumb level based warcraft systems behind.
I hope not, I hate EVEs system. If a game isn't fun enough to play to advance, the game isn't fun enough to play.
Give me a variant of AC or UO anyday. Hell, I wish someone would either mimic the Masterbook or Storyteller system.
I decided long ago after the NGE came out that it was pre-cu or nothing. That patch was a last straw for me with SWG. I have zero intention of partaking in this version of the game because its an inferior version of the game.
I've had it with SOE and have no further interest in their carrots. You want subscribers back? Give us a pre-cu server.
once again the OP got pwned
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It was LA who forced the hand of SOE. You do have to remember that and get Lucasartssucks.com too and inform people of how they can completely overhaul a system and force an untested system into play, and then abandon SOE when in an hour of need.
People really need to know that SOE was perfectly happy with the CU, and did not want to push the NGE, but was simply there for in game testing for possible release until LA saw it and wanted that to be the game which then fucked it for everyone.
Did LucasArts delete and ban all of our posts when they bait-and-switched all of the veterans on the SOE Official Forums as well? Nope, pretty sure that was SOE's way of handling the problem. Both LA and SOE are equally to blame for this fiasco, and both lost a lot of money because of it and because us vets won't let it go away quietly.
All the current players should thank us for our tenacity because it probably prevented this happening again any time soon.
But NO, they just flame us all over the internet.