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Biggest flop in history of MMOs incoming ?
Alan0n
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I really dont know what to think atm. What I have seen so far is making me really wonder if anyone can pull of what FC is up to atm.
I've looked at pretty much every video out there and scanned the websites. Videos look nice but half of the time even in demenstration the servers crash. Now.. after seeing the AO servers failing for the first few months that just CAN'T be a good sign.
No of the content I've seen so far is MMO content. Its all one person walking, running or riding around. That doesn't sound pormising to me.
Recomended rig... Now. PPL can say whatever they like but those that play MMOs know how much FPS and no lag matters. So are we seeing a game that will be running over 20fps with 40 ppl in same area? And do you need PC from Nasa for that ? And it must eat up memory and have long time loading screens.
Graphics. Look great but how many bad paths and holes will it create? My guess is alot. And I mean ALOT. HOw fun will it be to fight mobs that run away from you to be able to get to you ? I think we will see alot of those and even more of where players become stuck cause of enviroment issues.
Combat. Melee combat looks ... well nice... But is this game just gonna be about chopping heads as melee and nothing else ? Was watching video of the makers explain the system and tbh the Spell system seems to be very weak. What kinda game can maintain any kinda integrity when it seems to be supporting just one way of playing ?
How good of a launch can this game throw out. Considering the lenght it has been in development it has to be very very smooth now so it should be great. But ... will it really ? There are huge names behind this game but is that enough ? I'm really not sure. I see this one beeing full of maybes - so many that no normal person should take any chance of Pre-order.
My advise. Wait for release. Hope for lift of NDA and lets hear from the testers what has been going on. But if no NDA will be lift then we all know it was bad.
I think many are hoping for a good game in AOC. But pretty much everything is telling us it will be.... anything but smooth sailing. But even if it did. Will it ever be a playable MMO with big siege battles and raids ? Can any kinda rig atm handle such groups of players with this kinda graphic? I just can't see it happen.
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This is not strictly true even though many people will see it the way that you do.
i heard they weren't gonna lift the NDA. i hope they do i like many have alot to say. if they are gonna lift it i would think they'd do it fairly soon(couple of weeks) or they could delay release i guess.
as far as being the biggest flop im history who knows. i'd like to know AoC budget then compare it to what was spent making vanguard then we can compare. anyone have any idea what was spent making AoC and vanguard or is that info not released?
Aren't you breaching the NDA as it is with this post?
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Well first off the title of your thread is a tad off...
The biggest flop in MMO history (and AoC can't surpass it) was Vanguard.
Why? With all the "hardcore" EQ1 people that expected a return to that type of game. Brad McVanguard.. I mean he was like a god who walked the earth and created game worlds.
AoC.. well Funcom... for an MMO they have shown us Anarchy Online. I was there.. I played it from launch for about two years. Heck I even beta tested it.
I'm suprised that the game... is still around and to some extent that Funcom is still around. (I'm not bashing funcom).
Anyway the point is.. to be the biggest flop.. you have to have the biggest anticipation.. and AoC just isn't there. I have it pre-ordered... but its no where near the top of my "MMO's I was most excited about" list.
Beyond that...
Are you in beta?
Has there been some massive bunch of NDA leaks/breaks I'm not aware of? (as with vanguard).
Or are you just basing everything you are posting on videos you've watched that were made to show a certain aspect of something.
I mean I'm in another beta.. where they show amazing videos... but no where in the "beta" version of the game.. can you find what the video's show.
So I guess there are two extremes to that video thing... Not showing enough.. and tech demo's that don't actually exist in your product.
You should understand the concept of testing it would help you through your times of doubt. In todays day and age crashing servers is not even a concern especialy in a next gen game, IF a server crashes nine times outa ten its on purpose this is why they do stress tests prior to its launch. Any game out there that crashes on an ongoing bases is old and not worth putting the time and money into to preventing this from happening... And to address your concern with regards to a rig/performance, AoC is not the first game to have castle sieges or large realm vs realm battle. They are however the first game that will make it exciting! That is not to say it will not be a demanding game with regards to its graphics but it is next gen which usualy means time to upgrade the old video card (like I did) or for some people buy a new rig (like 2 of my guild mates did)
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One of the biggest flops would have to be Dark and Light.
Vanguard was far from a really bad game.
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
-T
AOC has the biggest anticipation of any MMO atm. Well.. at least acording to this side. And in terms of companies behind the game then you wont find them much bigger. So its just not Funcom who will take the fall.
I've been playing WoW since launch but quit few weeks ago cause Id dont like where the game is heading now and there is a growing inbalance in the game. I have a PC that runs that game on full 60 fps - but in cities and raids there its more like 30-40. And I've tried alot of games the past 3 weeks to see where I should end up this time and pretty much all can run full detail with my current rig (8800 gtx vidoe should do fine I hope)
Im defently gonna wait and see others will say about this one. Like I said - Not lifting NDA is a sign of weakness cause if beta has been going great then it will give the game even more lift for pre-order. But the first days will probably give us enough info if we should spend some time on this one.
One good sign tho - The beta testers seem to be busy playing so lets hope for the best !
I don't know how closely you followed Vanguard in its beta days... but everyone with half a brain knew it was going to be a flop long before it launched. It was being slammed by beta testers all over the internet.
AoC may flop, but it won't hold a candle to the failure of Vanguard.
AoC has a different situation.
Instead of people pouring out of the woodwork with hatred and clearly-posted messages of how awful the game is and how it's like a month from release and they are still changing core systems, the AoC testers that are leaking out info have a lot of hope for the game, despite their concerns of the work that is still needed.
As for the trolls who are only talking about how awful it is, or how they've heard it's terrible from a friend, it's all one-sided useless comments that leave you wondering if they even know anything about the game.
To conclude: I don't think it will be a flop. I do think it will be semi-rushed(mainly because Funcom always seems 3 steps behind where they are supposed to be), but the game itself will be intact enough to play and patch on I am betting.
There are some features that are getting cut because of the deadline, so it's more likely we'll just see some of the expected things having been removed than a non-functioning game.
While its not going to be "the biggest flop", seeing as whose making it (If you look at funcom, and their track record of updates/bug fixes/launch with anarchy online), I expect it wont live up to the lofty expectations many people have. But then again, does any MMO actually live up to all it claims?
I agree with the OP, it is going to be a single player wannabe mmo. WEee all know what them feel like *Cough*Two worlds* Cough.
I have to completely disagree. Dark and Light didn't hold a candle to the hype Vanguard had(hell if you check the gamelist Vanguard's hype meter is 8.0)
I doubt Conan will flop as horribly as Vanguard. You have to understand the Conan license is very popular and on top of that, Funcom screwed up the launch of Anarchy online not too long ago.
I would think they learned their lesson.
Quick question, what was wrong with Anarchy Onlines launch? i didnt pay attention to the game when it was released so i have no clue.
Current MMO: Nothing
Waiting For: FireFall, GW2
NDAs are usually lifted when a game goes into Open Beta. With the numbers of testers available to them, they don't even have to have an Open Beta. They are doing focused stress testing, so OB might not even be necessary, in which case the NDA probably wouldn't be lifted early.
And if your quiting a beta because of bugs rather than lack of content you like, it tells me that you think beta's are the finished game and give up on a beta to easy.
Current MMO: Nothing
Waiting For: FireFall, GW2
If you want people to take you seriously OP then learn how to spell really simple words. I realized that this was unfounded hyperbole once I hit the "Take my advise..."
Did you quit during Fall 07, out of curiosity?
Just curious, what is focused stress testing ?
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Most of the original tester quit.. And wont buy this game.
Myself included. I wouldnt even try a 14 day trial. This game is really bad.. Its ALL instanced.. PvP has no meaning and is completely unbalanced.. Top it all off with invisable walls EVERYWHERE..
Dead game.
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One of the biggest flops would have to be Dark and Light.
Vanguard was far from a really bad game.
When is release anyway? What else besides AO has FC made, I can't think of any.
Ouch!When is release anyway? What else besides AO has FC made, I can't think of any.
Try their website maybe>?
On another note, about the invisible wall thing. Anyone ever heard of walls been put up in a beta game to force the player base thru one area for performance reasons? plus to actually get the focus there? I have.
Why don't we wait for the game to be released eh?
Then all the naysayers with under 10 posts who never contributed to the community nor the beta nor ever provided any constructive crititism here can simply troll another forum?
There were invisible walls setup on beta so the devs can funnel players into the areas that need to be tested. They have removed some walls that were existing in areas before hand once some testing was done. The devs have said time and time again the land will be vast and open. They believe exploration is an important part in MMO's these days, and they are right. Beta testers have alot of restrictions but they are there to test what needs to be tested, not jumping around forests and climbing mountains to see how high they can go. Hence the invisible walls you people have been reading about. FC is not the first MMO to have Invis walls in place in beta. It is a good thing to use to funnel players where the devs need testing on most. People would be all over the place not doing their jobs basically if they did not have some restrictions on where to go at the moment. Only areas that MIGHT be linear is tortage but that is not a bad thing. Having a path to follow on your learning trail is a good way to get you engaged into what they feel fit right away to keep you engaged and learning. my opinion anyways.
To me the real tell tale sign will be funcom's position on dropping the NDA especially with it launching so soon. WoW and LoTRO have really set the bar on not launching a MMO that is broken and if Funcom is holding off the NDA because they don't want bad word of mouth this game is going to sink fast.
On the other hand with all the hype and anticaption from a lot of MMO fans, good word of mouth could help this game coast to some impressive numbers.
When is release anyway? What else besides AO has FC made, I can't think of any.
I tried AO 3 to 4 years ago and I wasn't impressed. I am giving funcom a big benefit of the doubt and assumming they are making a game 100x better then AO was. I thought Funcom had one other mmo out but can't think of it off the top of my head?