Put me down for AoC will flop count. Though its got allot of hard core fan boys already, it may take them some time to realize admit it to themselves.
When I was playing Guild Wars, I heard so much hype about this Vanguard so I checked it out and read on it and checked it out more. I knew at that time it would be a flop for 3 main reasons:
1) Corpse runs
2) long travel times
3) no instance zones
That is death for any game coming out these days, so much for Vanguard.
AoC will flop for a few reasons as well
Game performance issues—although it says it will run on 6600 card, we all know if you don’t have the lastest and greatest it will lag out. Or you will have to turn your settings down so low it will look like crap.
Maturity rating--- this will bring every teen age boy over to look at cyber tits making the maturity level of game play very low
There is no such thing as a “new combat system” That is what they are selling, video games been around for 30 years, if it has not been done before there is a reason for it---it sucked.
There is nothing new here, just the same game done over, go kill 10 spiders return get some xp level.
Since it is a heavy pvp game the classes will never be balanced. You will have one or two alpha classes everyone will play.
Put me down for AoC will flop count. Though its got allot of hard core fan boys already, it may take them some time to realize admit it to themselves.
When I was playing Guild Wars, I heard so much hype about this Vanguard so I checked it out and read on it and checked it out more. I knew at that time it would be a flop for 3 main reasons:
1) Corpse runs 2) long travel times 3) no instance zones
That is death for any game coming out these days, so much for Vanguard.
AoC will flop for a few reasons as well
Game performance issuesalthough it says it will run on 6600 card, we all know if you dont have the lastest and greatest it will lag out. Or you will have to turn your settings down so low it will look like crap.
Maturity rating--- this will bring every teen age boy over to look at cyber tits making the maturity level of game play very low
There is no such thing as a new combat system That is what they are selling, video games been around for 30 years, if it has not been done before there is a reason for it---it sucked.
There is nothing new here, just the same game done over, go kill 10 spiders return get some xp level.
Since it is a heavy pvp game the classes will never be balanced. You will have one or two alpha classes everyone will play.
<Mod edit> Not that i'm a big fan of AoC, but I salute their originality. WoW has corpse runs, WoW has long travel times, and even if WoW didn't have instances and had even longer travel times it would still be as successful as it is today. Vanguard didn't fail because of anything you mentioned. Vanguard failed because it was released when it wasn't done, it lacked promised features, and the features it had were implemented poorly. There is so much new here that is lacking in any MMO to have come out since EQ or in any MMO on the horizon besides this one... Have you even been to the website?? WoW is a heavy PvP game then considering they both have the same setup of having PVE, PVP, and RP-PVP servers, and both end games have a large focus on PVP. WoW constantly rebalances classes to sway advantages causing players to reroll and stay subbed to have the best char available at the time. It's not an accident that they constantly do this either. You are right though WoW failed for this reason... <Mod edit> Sorry if it's harsh, but slamming on originality for being unoriginal is pretty stupid.
Biggest flop in history of MMO?? Geez no way This game has mucho $$ invested and huge amounts of talent, Good talents at it's roots
Points at vanguard,alot of cash invested in that aswell and look how well it released.Your one of those people who buy expensive stuff cause you think that the more it costs the better it is ...
Don't try to put a label on some one you don't know. It's not to polite, Shame on you.
Anyhow, all I can say is I know that the game is not a Vanguard. All I can say is I know.
After VG...no "buying a pig in a poke" for me. I need to have open beta....and lift the NDA..The ONLY reason at this point...5 weeks from launch...................FUNCOM has something to hide from potential software buyers...and they know it.
The fact that the 3 day head start for european preorders has now been pulled by Eidos doesn't bode well for AOC. The whole preorder situation has been a complete farce tbh.
The fact that the 3 day head start for european preorders has now been pulled by Eidos doesn't bode well for AOC. The whole preorder situation has been a complete farce tbh.
What are you talking about? I still get the 3 Day Headstart Bonus on any site listing the German version so far. Link please for this?
The fact that the 3 day head start for european preorders has now been pulled by Eidos doesn't bode well for AOC. The whole preorder situation has been a complete farce tbh.
What are you talking about? I still get the 3 Day Headstart Bonus on any site listing the German version so far. Link please for this?
The original thread was deleted however there is a followup here:
The fact that the 3 day head start for european preorders has now been pulled by Eidos doesn't bode well for AOC. The whole preorder situation has been a complete farce tbh.
What are you talking about? I still get the 3 Day Headstart Bonus on any site listing the German version so far. Link please for this?
The original thread was deleted however there is a followup here:
At the moment noone is sure if this is just for UK preorders or the whole of the EU.
Took a while to read through the thread. Now if this is indeed the case, then cheerios to Eidos for screwing over an entire countries fans of the game. No better way to drive away potential customers than doing this sort of thing.
As for the rest of the EU, all the sites I checked so far in Germany at least still have the 3 Day Headstart and various Pre-Order bonuses listed.
Still waiting on a final word from FC's Community manager (who i really don#t want to be right now).
Put me down for AoC will flop count. Though its got allot of hard core fan boys already, it may take them some time to realize admit it to themselves. When I was playing Guild Wars, I heard so much hype about this Vanguard so I checked it out and read on it and checked it out more. I knew at that time it would be a flop for 3 main reasons: 1) Corpse runs
2) long travel times
3) no instance zones That is death for any game coming out these days, so much for Vanguard. AoC will flop for a few reasons as well Game performance issues—although it says it will run on 6600 card, we all know if you don’t have the lastest and greatest it will lag out. Or you will have to turn your settings down so low it will look like crap. Maturity rating--- this will bring every teen age boy over to look at cyber tits making the maturity level of game play very low There is no such thing as a “new combat system” That is what they are selling, video games been around for 30 years, if it has not been done before there is a reason for it---it sucked. There is nothing new here, just the same game done over, go kill 10 spiders return get some xp level. Since it is a heavy pvp game the classes will never be balanced. You will have one or two alpha classes everyone will play.
<Mod edit> Not that i'm a big fan of AoC, but I salute their originality. WoW has corpse runs, WoW has long travel times, and even if WoW didn't have instances and had even longer travel times it would still be as successful as it is today.
Vanguard didn't fail because of anything you mentioned. Vanguard failed because it was released when it wasn't done, it lacked promised features, and the features it had were implemented poorly.
There is so much new here that is lacking in any MMO to have come out since EQ or in any MMO on the horizon besides this one... Have you even been to the website??
WoW is a heavy PvP game then considering they both have the same setup of having PVE, PVP, and RP-PVP servers, and both end games have a large focus on PVP. WoW constantly rebalances classes to sway advantages causing players to reroll and stay subbed to have the best char available at the time. It's not an accident that they constantly do this either. You are right though WoW failed for this reason...
<Mod edit> Sorry if it's harsh, but slamming on originality for being unoriginal is pretty stupid.
Sorry we all salute those who try new things but just as many of us punish them if they fail by not playing. Besides, "Vanguard released when it wasn't done, it lacked promised features, and the features it had were implemented poorly."
Then in the next sentence you say "There is so much new here that is lacking in any MMO..." wow, doesn't that sound like it's promising alot? I figured that was the point of this thread, to see if it would flop or not. Not whether Funcom deserves props for trying new things.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Hope for lift of NDA and lets hear from the testers what has been going on. But if no NDA will be lift then we all know it was bad.
This is not strictly true even though many people will see it the way that you do.
You're right that it isn't absolute. However, if there is not open beta (test) and NDA is still applied up until release then you can probably count on the game being a flop. At this point in MMOs I have noticed this to be the trend. I feel that if you have a great game then get the word out there and let people try it and then buy it. If you don't have confidence in the game then keep everything hush hush so you can sucker some people to buying it and talking themselves into liking the game since they already invested money into it.
I believe that vanguard will be the biggest flop in history - but AOC will be close behind it, so far sources are reporting invisible walls, bugs, bad graphics, linear gameplay, and generally a second gen game.
I do feel sad for the AOCbois that have been following this game for so long.
Sam, you can still shoot THROUGH walls in SWG and kill other players. Yet you pay $15/month to play that game don't you??
Apparently bugs don't seem to bother you much...
Tecmo Bowl.
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Originally posted by Thunderous
Originally posted by Sam123jo0123
I believe that vanguard will be the biggest flop in history - but AOC will be close behind it, so far sources are reporting invisible walls, bugs, bad graphics, linear gameplay, and generally a second gen game.
I do feel sad for the AOCbois that have been following this game for so long.
Sam, you can still shoot THROUGH walls in SWG and kill other players. Yet you pay $15/month to play that game don't you??
Apparently bugs don't seem to bother you much...
The only thing that bothers him is that AoC will be classed as a sucess and that he cant have numbers in his name in game!
it cant be worse then Vanguard or tabula rasa the last 2 big flops last year
Maybe not. But it will be very close as i see it.
Worst is Funcoms greed though. Pay for a level 13 open beta teaser, whats that? Loads of pre-orders based on hype not ingame experience and loads of information about the game. Its alot of "hush hush" as i see it and they need to start treating their former subs a bit better.
it cant be worse then Vanguard or tabula rasa the last 2 big flops last year
Maybe not. But it will be very close as i see it.
Worst is Funcoms greed though. Pay for a level 13 open beta teaser, whats that? Loads of pre-orders based on hype not ingame experience and loads of information about the game. Its alot of "hush hush" as i see it and they need to start treating their former subs a bit better.
Pre-Orders are a gamble. They always are.
Loads of information about the game? That's a good thing, isn't it?
Hush-hush? FC has announced how they will run their Open beta about two or Three months ago. It was known from then on out that it would be severely limited. No Hush-hush about it.
But please, read my other reply to your persistent efforts to discredit the game. I've taken my time to reply there.
it cant be worse then Vanguard or tabula rasa the last 2 big flops last year
Maybe not. But it will be very close as i see it.
Worst is Funcoms greed though. Pay for a level 13 open beta teaser, whats that? Loads of pre-orders based on hype not ingame experience and loads of information about the game. Its alot of "hush hush" as i see it and they need to start treating their former subs a bit better.
Why on earth did you revive this thread? This is the most useless, trolled, and annoying thread on these boards and it was dead...
That's great that you feel so cheated and in your opinion it's going to flop thanks we realized that a while ago. There are already threads whining about having to pay for OB, and level 13 cap.
The devs don't owe you a free open beta. No game does. They decided to distribute it through FilePlanet and instead of paying for the large costs of FilePlanet hosting their large game and all of the downloads that would flood it they decided to let FilePlanet subscribers have access.
Why should Funcom have to pay to get you a free trial of their game? So you can 'test' it? Give me a break 0.005% of open beta testers do anything for the sake of testing and the rest just want free handouts. They will get all of the stress testing they need from the PVP weekend and the people who decide to play Open Beta. It only takes 2-5,000 people to fill up a server...
With what i have read in this thread make me wonder should i cancel my preorder? So much bad things i have seen here about AoC but one thing is for sure if u want next gen mmo u need to own a machine to run it right? So high specs are not a reason for a game to flop. Also if the game flops ill stop waiting for an mmo i have already canceled wow and im never returning to it no matter what. I prefer to stop playing mmo's that to return to it blizzard is selling the 5 year old engine many years now and its rediculus to me. I better go play Diablo that to return to it. Im old in the gaming since amiga but blizzard now became like the M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Blizard had released some very good titles in the past and they sure have talented programmers but since WoW everything seems frozen and they now focused in making $ than to serve the gaming community with fresh ideas and new titles...
Don't base anything off of this thread... If you are really having second thoughts then wait until they open up the NDA and honest players share their opinions. They will be good and bad. If originality is what you are looking for this is the best you are going to get for a long time to come.
AoC wont flop. It still has good things to offer, despite sucking horribly in many parts. The graphics alone will draw huge numbers and those A+ boobies will keep kids fapping for months.
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Put me down for AoC will flop count. Though its got allot of hard core fan boys already, it may take them some time to realize admit it to themselves.
When I was playing Guild Wars, I heard so much hype about this Vanguard so I checked it out and read on it and checked it out more. I knew at that time it would be a flop for 3 main reasons:
1) Corpse runs
2) long travel times
3) no instance zones
That is death for any game coming out these days, so much for Vanguard.
AoC will flop for a few reasons as well
Game performance issues—although it says it will run on 6600 card, we all know if you don’t have the lastest and greatest it will lag out. Or you will have to turn your settings down so low it will look like crap.
Maturity rating--- this will bring every teen age boy over to look at cyber tits making the maturity level of game play very low
There is no such thing as a “new combat system” That is what they are selling, video games been around for 30 years, if it has not been done before there is a reason for it---it sucked.
There is nothing new here, just the same game done over, go kill 10 spiders return get some xp level.
Since it is a heavy pvp game the classes will never be balanced. You will have one or two alpha classes everyone will play.
Vanguard didn't fail because of anything you mentioned. Vanguard failed because it was released when it wasn't done, it lacked promised features, and the features it had were implemented poorly.
There is so much new here that is lacking in any MMO to have come out since EQ or in any MMO on the horizon besides this one... Have you even been to the website??
WoW is a heavy PvP game then considering they both have the same setup of having PVE, PVP, and RP-PVP servers, and both end games have a large focus on PVP. WoW constantly rebalances classes to sway advantages causing players to reroll and stay subbed to have the best char available at the time. It's not an accident that they constantly do this either. You are right though WoW failed for this reason...
<Mod edit> Sorry if it's harsh, but slamming on originality for being unoriginal is pretty stupid.
Points at vanguard,alot of cash invested in that aswell and look how well it released.Your one of those people who buy expensive stuff cause you think that the more it costs the better it is ...
Don't try to put a label on some one you don't know. It's not to polite, Shame on you.
Anyhow, all I can say is I know that the game is not a Vanguard. All I can say is I know.
After VG...no "buying a pig in a poke" for me. I need to have open beta....and lift the NDA..The ONLY reason at this point...5 weeks from launch...................FUNCOM has something to hide from potential software buyers...and they know it.
The fact that the 3 day head start for european preorders has now been pulled by Eidos doesn't bode well for AOC. The whole preorder situation has been a complete farce tbh.
What are you talking about? I still get the 3 Day Headstart Bonus on any site listing the German version so far. Link please for this?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
What are you talking about? I still get the 3 Day Headstart Bonus on any site listing the German version so far. Link please for this?
The original thread was deleted however there is a followup here:
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=68519
At the moment noone is sure if this is just for UK preorders or the whole of the EU.
What are you talking about? I still get the 3 Day Headstart Bonus on any site listing the German version so far. Link please for this?
The original thread was deleted however there is a followup here:
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=68519
At the moment noone is sure if this is just for UK preorders or the whole of the EU.
Took a while to read through the thread. Now if this is indeed the case, then cheerios to Eidos for screwing over an entire countries fans of the game. No better way to drive away potential customers than doing this sort of thing.As for the rest of the EU, all the sites I checked so far in Germany at least still have the 3 Day Headstart and various Pre-Order bonuses listed.
Still waiting on a final word from FC's Community manager (who i really don#t want to be right now).
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Looks like I'll be cancelling my play preorder and ordering elsewhere in europe then. Play, Game and Amazon are gonna be pissed.
Vanguard didn't fail because of anything you mentioned. Vanguard failed because it was released when it wasn't done, it lacked promised features, and the features it had were implemented poorly.
There is so much new here that is lacking in any MMO to have come out since EQ or in any MMO on the horizon besides this one... Have you even been to the website??
WoW is a heavy PvP game then considering they both have the same setup of having PVE, PVP, and RP-PVP servers, and both end games have a large focus on PVP. WoW constantly rebalances classes to sway advantages causing players to reroll and stay subbed to have the best char available at the time. It's not an accident that they constantly do this either. You are right though WoW failed for this reason...
<Mod edit> Sorry if it's harsh, but slamming on originality for being unoriginal is pretty stupid.
Sorry we all salute those who try new things but just as many of us punish them if they fail by not playing. Besides, "Vanguard released when it wasn't done, it lacked promised features, and the features it had were implemented poorly."Then in the next sentence you say "There is so much new here that is lacking in any MMO..." wow, doesn't that sound like it's promising alot? I figured that was the point of this thread, to see if it would flop or not. Not whether Funcom deserves props for trying new things.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
This is not strictly true even though many people will see it the way that you do.
You're right that it isn't absolute. However, if there is not open beta (test) and NDA is still applied up until release then you can probably count on the game being a flop. At this point in MMOs I have noticed this to be the trend. I feel that if you have a great game then get the word out there and let people try it and then buy it. If you don't have confidence in the game then keep everything hush hush so you can sucker some people to buying it and talking themselves into liking the game since they already invested money into it.
Sam, you can still shoot THROUGH walls in SWG and kill other players. Yet you pay $15/month to play that game don't you??
Apparently bugs don't seem to bother you much...
Tecmo Bowl.
Sam, you can still shoot THROUGH walls in SWG and kill other players. Yet you pay $15/month to play that game don't you??
Apparently bugs don't seem to bother you much...
The only thing that bothers him is that AoC will be classed as a sucess and that he cant have numbers in his name in game!
even if the game shuts down a week after its release, it's not gonna be the biggest MMO flop ever.
Worst is Funcoms greed though. Pay for a level 13 open beta teaser, whats that? Loads of pre-orders based on hype not ingame experience and loads of information about the game. Its alot of "hush hush" as i see it and they need to start treating their former subs a bit better.
Worst is Funcoms greed though. Pay for a level 13 open beta teaser, whats that? Loads of pre-orders based on hype not ingame experience and loads of information about the game. Its alot of "hush hush" as i see it and they need to start treating their former subs a bit better.
Pre-Orders are a gamble. They always are.Loads of information about the game? That's a good thing, isn't it?
Hush-hush? FC has announced how they will run their Open beta about two or Three months ago. It was known from then on out that it would be severely limited. No Hush-hush about it.
But please, read my other reply to your persistent efforts to discredit the game. I've taken my time to reply there.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Maybe not. But it will be very close as i see it.Worst is Funcoms greed though. Pay for a level 13 open beta teaser, whats that? Loads of pre-orders based on hype not ingame experience and loads of information about the game. Its alot of "hush hush" as i see it and they need to start treating their former subs a bit better.
Why on earth did you revive this thread? This is the most useless, trolled, and annoying thread on these boards and it was dead...
That's great that you feel so cheated and in your opinion it's going to flop thanks we realized that a while ago. There are already threads whining about having to pay for OB, and level 13 cap.
The devs don't owe you a free open beta. No game does. They decided to distribute it through FilePlanet and instead of paying for the large costs of FilePlanet hosting their large game and all of the downloads that would flood it they decided to let FilePlanet subscribers have access.
Why should Funcom have to pay to get you a free trial of their game? So you can 'test' it? Give me a break 0.005% of open beta testers do anything for the sake of testing and the rest just want free handouts. They will get all of the stress testing they need from the PVP weekend and the people who decide to play Open Beta. It only takes 2-5,000 people to fill up a server...
Don't base anything off of this thread... If you are really having second thoughts then wait until they open up the NDA and honest players share their opinions. They will be good and bad. If originality is what you are looking for this is the best you are going to get for a long time to come.
AoC wont flop. It still has good things to offer, despite sucking horribly in many parts. The graphics alone will draw huge numbers and those A+ boobies will keep kids fapping for months.