It can't flop as hard as that massively-single-player game known as Vanguard (although my keyboard will never forgive me for the beatings it received.)
But as a beta tester of AoC, I wish they would do a Mythic and push it back. That's all I can say.
I am starting to think Pirates Of The Burning Sea will take the top spot. In two months their player base is almost zero. But, then again, I have never seen such a shoddy, cheap put together MMO since EQ1.
LOL, now that was a funny joke.
Oh wait, was he actually serious?
NAH, that had to be a joke.
Nice 4th post buddy, showed alot about your MMO knowlege.
For my curiousity, what exactly were you basing your EQ launch knowledge against? Im guessing UO and Meridian since they were pretty much the MMO genre before EQ (i guess you could throw in Realms too but i dont think many people actually played it). Perhaps you were a UO lover and are saying EQ was shoddy because of that, thats the only reason i can think of.
It can't flop as hard as that massively-single-player game known as Vanguard (although my keyboard will never forgive me for the beatings it received.) But as a beta tester of AoC, I wish they would do as Mythic and push it back. That's all I can say.
Its due for release in May, is it not ready? Warhammer has been in beta for awhile now and release has been pushed back as the devs think they can polish the game abit more.
I think AoC is the only big mmo being released this early. Wonder how good it will play.
Its due for release in May, is it not ready? Warhammer has been in beta for awhile now and release has been pushed back as the devs think they can polish the game abit more. I think AoC is the only big mmo being released this early. Wonder how good it will play.
Well you will get different opinions on that. Some, like the posters above, think it is not ready, claiming beta-leaks or being in Beta themselves as the ressource.
Others say it is ready, taking the Developers word and also sometimes claiming beta-leaks as info.
Really, at this point, we'll probably just have to wait and see.
Its due for release in May, is it not ready? Warhammer has been in beta for awhile now and release has been pushed back as the devs think they can polish the game abit more. I think AoC is the only big mmo being released this early. Wonder how good it will play.
I hope it plays well, I just preordered my collector's edition. Through all the doom, gloom and hype I just can't get over what I see for myself through the videos, screenshots and information from the FC site. This game has more potential than I have seen in a long time, of course, for a long time I've been hooked to WoW and oblivious to the outside game world.
I finally reached that mythical plateau in WoW where no skill whatsoever is neccesary (PvE) just gear and follow the instructions and spam buttons, I think this is the biggest draw for me to AoC, real time combat that takes some work instead of watching and hoping seems to be a big perk compared to my hunter spamming shots.
I broke away from WoW due to sheer boredom a couple of months ago and have since tried EQ2, which, I enjoyed, but was too empty for me. I tried LoTR which tasted like WoW. I tried CoH/CoV and just plain didn't like it. I tried Guild Wars, good game, again empty.
I really hope Conan can give me what I want, an MMO that requires some level of skill to play without being impossible to play. I saw a dungeon crawl video that the developer had to play in GM mode because he wasn't good enough. That makes me nervous, but maybe he's just a good programmer and crappy player.
Hopefully I get my 3 day early start with my preorder and I'll let you guys know what I think on the 17th of May.
i would nt be suprised if we see that release date pushed back like warhammer . as for the game and weather it ll be a flop . i remember lots of people saying the same thing about warcraft . also when warcraft first went live it was nt the smooth game it is today . i dont think it ll be the biggest flop in gaming history .....that was vanguard . nothing could be a lot worse than that .
i would nt be suprised if we see that release date pushed back like warhammer . as for the game and weather it ll be a flop . i remember lots of people saying the same thing about warcraft . also when warcraft first went live it was nt the smooth game it is today . i dont think it ll be the biggest flop in gaming history .....that was vanguard . nothing could be a lot worse than that .
AO, DnL and Vanguard are on my top 3 list.
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I don't like the red colouring in AoC. Personally, I think it more closely resembles a vivid puce, or perhaps a pastel magenta. There's no way in Hades that AoC can hope to succeed until they get their colouring right! I mean c'mon, who wants to see burnt orange blood flying across the screen as we hack our foes down? Do we really want our gore to hearken to something out of a 70s horror film? Please. We're MMOers. We are the technological elite. We are the alpha and omega. Even Chuck Norris fears us.
So how about we start expecting a little more out of the games we pour our heart and souls into (cuz Lawrd knows we're not welcome anywhere else, the dregs of society that we are)? So, anyone else think that sorry excuse for The Colour of Life will be the downfall of this most drooled over MMO?
Not much can be said because of the NDA, but you can usually judge how good a beta is by how many people leak info.
E.g. if a lot of people are carelessly leaking stuff (like they did with Vanguard) then it's usually a bad beta/game, because they don't want to play anyway (and don't care if they get banned from it). If you hear next to nothing then it's usually good and people are to busy playing
If they don't lift NDA until launch that's all the information I need NOT to pre-order this game.
Wait until release then judge the game on the facts, don't come running to the forums crying about how bad the game is if you don't wait until NDA lift.
If they don't lift NDA until launch that's all the information I need NOT to pre-order this game. Wait until release then judge the game on the facts, don't come running to the forums crying about how bad the game is if you don't wait until NDA lift.
Latest rumor I've heard is Open Beta May 1st. If that's so the NDA will probably be lifted about a week before that.
I dont think it will flop at all. People who start saying how many bugs and what not will be at launch means if it will flop or not need to remember how many bugs wow had at launch...
This game will suck, flame all you want but the whole combat system is way to boring and flawed. The 1-2-3 directional system is not anything innovative, its a step in the wrong direction. Mark my words, this game WILL suck.
I dont think it will flop at all. People who start saying how many bugs and what not will be at launch means if it will flop or not need to remember how many bugs wow had at launch...
I totally understand where your coming from with this, as I played WoW at launch. It however is a tough argument to use. WoW had its fair share of bugs and missing content at launch but something about the game made a lot of people forget those issues fairly quickly. Look at it now, I hear they're adding in Hero classes or something similar with the next expansion? Ask a lot of the current WoW players if they knew that was a promised feature at launch, and now they gotta pay extra for it.
People who think Warhammer wil be the ultimate MMO in 2008 are going to be very disappointed. the game is complete crap all i can say that between WoW and War there is no difference just more PvP and Races and Classes to choose from.
P.s Devs client vs the Beta tester client, Devs are more update then Beta testers one so alot more Buggs have been squashed most likely. i got a good feeling about AoC and hope to god it will be a success!
Siege PvP
have to build your own city for the guild and defend it!
leveling up to 80 whent he game comes out (Sure as hell beats WoW 1 month play period to 60)
combo system, active combat and dodgeing!
great looking graphics
much more in depth story
mounted combat
and much more
P.P.S where the hell are my player houses we were all promised from WoW when the game was first released and talked about for upcoming patches
Come on, guys. Vanguard can't be the biggest flop? Really? It is still pushing forward. People are playing it. What about Mourning? Dark & Light? Earth & Beyond (loved it)? Auto Assault? AC2? Ryzom? All of these games failed and are not even running anymore save D&L. I would call these bigger flops than the massive debacle that was VG when it launched.
DnL, AC2, VG (even i played vg can't say it's a success), AA, SWG post NGE, TR, Archlord, DDO, RFO Ryzom ... AO (at release). DF and TCOS won't be a success i think. What about SGW ? We only have artworks ftm ^^ Dev stopped: GnH, STO, MEO etc...
" the whole combat system is way to boring and flawed. The 1-2-3 directional system is not anything innovative ."
Not a MMO-RPG but an action /XBox based game that's all. AOC won't be a flop, but many players will be disappointed i think... really... Another overhyped game, like TR. Not a bad game, not a flop...
When you say biggest Flop....it's not even going to come close as to be considered a flop in the eyes of the marketing gurus.
Face it the game will get a huge boon of money just off of the initial sales alone.
If you figure how many players are going to give it a try within the first 2 months you can bet either way that the investors will get the initial investment back.
Figure it this way. It's not going to flop regardless of how bad some say the game will be.
Hell even if it flops people will pay to play regardless. Just look at the many MMOs out there that should have the plug pulled.
Just think if 250k buy the game thats a huge profit alone. Time to realize that we the players are pawns to the corporate chess game.
Biggest flop will be Vanguard for a long time to come -
Simply from the sheer $$ value , estimates range from 35-45 million was invested into the game - it's on record as having the most spent on it next to WoW ,
There's no other flop that comes close to the thrashing Vanguard took financially - at it's current player base it would have to run 20 years or so to even recoup that money
I agree with Whacko, No one is held accountable if an MMO fails. Vanguard got away with murder. Video games are the only product in America that can't be returned for money back, and MMO's are worse you don't get back $15 a month.
AoC is using an even better marketing tool. They use fans in key places to help market their product, a few are on this site.
I believe that vanguard will be the biggest flop in history - but AOC will be close behind it, so far sources are reporting invisible walls, bugs, bad graphics, linear gameplay, and generally a second gen game.
I do feel sad for the AOCbois that have been following this game for so long.
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It can't flop as hard as that massively-single-player game known as Vanguard (although my keyboard will never forgive me for the beatings it received.)
But as a beta tester of AoC, I wish they would do a Mythic and push it back. That's all I can say.
Oh wait, was he actually serious?
NAH, that had to be a joke.
Nice 4th post buddy, showed alot about your MMO knowlege.
For my curiousity, what exactly were you basing your EQ launch knowledge against? Im guessing UO and Meridian since they were pretty much the MMO genre before EQ (i guess you could throw in Realms too but i dont think many people actually played it). Perhaps you were a UO lover and are saying EQ was shoddy because of that, thats the only reason i can think of.
haha I hope to god WAR will be a good game, otherwise we are screwed for 2008 MMOs. AoC needs to be pushed back and I doubt they are going to do it.
Its due for release in May, is it not ready? Warhammer has been in beta for awhile now and release has been pushed back as the devs think they can polish the game abit more.
I think AoC is the only big mmo being released this early. Wonder how good it will play.
Others say it is ready, taking the Developers word and also sometimes claiming beta-leaks as info.
Really, at this point, we'll probably just have to wait and see.
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I finally reached that mythical plateau in WoW where no skill whatsoever is neccesary (PvE) just gear and follow the instructions and spam buttons, I think this is the biggest draw for me to AoC, real time combat that takes some work instead of watching and hoping seems to be a big perk compared to my hunter spamming shots.
I broke away from WoW due to sheer boredom a couple of months ago and have since tried EQ2, which, I enjoyed, but was too empty for me. I tried LoTR which tasted like WoW. I tried CoH/CoV and just plain didn't like it. I tried Guild Wars, good game, again empty.
I really hope Conan can give me what I want, an MMO that requires some level of skill to play without being impossible to play. I saw a dungeon crawl video that the developer had to play in GM mode because he wasn't good enough. That makes me nervous, but maybe he's just a good programmer and crappy player.
Hopefully I get my 3 day early start with my preorder and I'll let you guys know what I think on the 17th of May.
i would nt be suprised if we see that release date pushed back like warhammer . as for the game and weather it ll be a flop . i remember lots of people saying the same thing about warcraft . also when warcraft first went live it was nt the smooth game it is today . i dont think it ll be the biggest flop in gaming history .....that was vanguard . nothing could be a lot worse than that .
AO, DnL and Vanguard are on my top 3 list.
______________________________
The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Yes! Another useless speculation/hype/gossip thread! Me next me next!
I don't like the red colouring in AoC. Personally, I think it more closely resembles a vivid puce, or perhaps a pastel magenta. There's no way in Hades that AoC can hope to succeed until they get their colouring right! I mean c'mon, who wants to see burnt orange blood flying across the screen as we hack our foes down? Do we really want our gore to hearken to something out of a 70s horror film? Please. We're MMOers. We are the technological elite. We are the alpha and omega. Even Chuck Norris fears us.
So how about we start expecting a little more out of the games we pour our heart and souls into (cuz Lawrd knows we're not welcome anywhere else, the dregs of society that we are)? So, anyone else think that sorry excuse for The Colour of Life will be the downfall of this most drooled over MMO?
Not much can be said because of the NDA, but you can usually judge how good a beta is by how many people leak info.
E.g. if a lot of people are carelessly leaking stuff (like they did with Vanguard) then it's usually a bad beta/game, because they don't want to play anyway (and don't care if they get banned from it). If you hear next to nothing then it's usually good and people are to busy playing
AoC is shaping very well and it's new big
thing on horizon. Prepare your comps and nervs
for release day.
Allmost every one will tray this game because it's really something fresh on market and WaR is miles away .
Developers will be under preasure all the time.
(WaR is watching you!!!!)
If they don't lift NDA until launch that's all the information I need NOT to pre-order this game.
Wait until release then judge the game on the facts, don't come running to the forums crying about how bad the game is if you don't wait until NDA lift.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Latest rumor I've heard is Open Beta May 1st. If that's so the NDA will probably be lifted about a week before that.
I dont think it will flop at all. People who start saying how many bugs and what not will be at launch means if it will flop or not need to remember how many bugs wow had at launch...
This game will suck, flame all you want but the whole combat system is way to boring and flawed. The 1-2-3 directional system is not anything innovative, its a step in the wrong direction. Mark my words, this game WILL suck.
I totally understand where your coming from with this, as I played WoW at launch. It however is a tough argument to use. WoW had its fair share of bugs and missing content at launch but something about the game made a lot of people forget those issues fairly quickly. Look at it now, I hear they're adding in Hero classes or something similar with the next expansion? Ask a lot of the current WoW players if they knew that was a promised feature at launch, and now they gotta pay extra for it.
People who think Warhammer wil be the ultimate MMO in 2008 are going to be very disappointed. the game is complete crap all i can say that between WoW and War there is no difference just more PvP and Races and Classes to choose from.
P.s Devs client vs the Beta tester client, Devs are more update then Beta testers one so alot more Buggs have been squashed most likely. i got a good feeling about AoC and hope to god it will be a success!
Siege PvP
have to build your own city for the guild and defend it!
leveling up to 80 whent he game comes out (Sure as hell beats WoW 1 month play period to 60)
combo system, active combat and dodgeing!
great looking graphics
much more in depth story
mounted combat
and much more
P.P.S where the hell are my player houses we were all promised from WoW when the game was first released and talked about for upcoming patches
Come on, guys. Vanguard can't be the biggest flop? Really? It is still pushing forward. People are playing it. What about Mourning? Dark & Light? Earth & Beyond (loved it)? Auto Assault? AC2? Ryzom? All of these games failed and are not even running anymore save D&L. I would call these bigger flops than the massive debacle that was VG when it launched.
Currently playing: No MMOs. They all suck.
DnL, AC2, VG (even i played vg can't say it's a success), AA, SWG post NGE, TR, Archlord, DDO, RFO Ryzom ... AO (at release). DF and TCOS won't be a success i think. What about SGW ? We only have artworks ftm ^^ Dev stopped: GnH, STO, MEO etc...
" the whole combat system is way to boring and flawed. The 1-2-3 directional system is not anything innovative ."
Not a MMO-RPG but an action /XBox based game that's all. AOC won't be a flop, but many players will be disappointed i think... really... Another overhyped game, like TR. Not a bad game, not a flop...
biggest flop is roma victor...
but...i think im the only one that played Y_Y
When you say biggest Flop....it's not even going to come close as to be considered a flop in the eyes of the marketing gurus.
Face it the game will get a huge boon of money just off of the initial sales alone.
If you figure how many players are going to give it a try within the first 2 months you can bet either way that the investors will get the initial investment back.
Figure it this way. It's not going to flop regardless of how bad some say the game will be.
Hell even if it flops people will pay to play regardless. Just look at the many MMOs out there that should have the plug pulled.
Just think if 250k buy the game thats a huge profit alone. Time to realize that we the players are pawns to the corporate chess game.
If it flops it won't be dead that's for sure.
Biggest flop will be Vanguard for a long time to come -
Simply from the sheer $$ value , estimates range from 35-45 million was invested into the game - it's on record as having the most spent on it next to WoW ,
There's no other flop that comes close to the thrashing Vanguard took financially - at it's current player base it would have to run 20 years or so to even recoup that money
I agree with Whacko, No one is held accountable if an MMO fails. Vanguard got away with murder. Video games are the only product in America that can't be returned for money back, and MMO's are worse you don't get back $15 a month.
AoC is using an even better marketing tool. They use fans in key places to help market their product, a few are on this site.
I believe that vanguard will be the biggest flop in history - but AOC will be close behind it, so far sources are reporting invisible walls, bugs, bad graphics, linear gameplay, and generally a second gen game.
I do feel sad for the AOCbois that have been following this game for so long.
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