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SOE having a party at E3 and guess who is not invited.
JestorRodo
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From: http://pc.ign.com/articles/884/884496p1.html
Pre-E3 2008: Sony Online Entertainment's Roster
We've got the list, yo!
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June 25, 2008 - Just when you though you had heard everything that E3 had to offer, Sony Online Entertainment has arrived to kick you in the crotch and rock your brain with games. That's right, fresh from SOE is the list of titles the company will be bringing to LA in just a few weeks. Check it out!
- The Agency (PC, PS3)
- Free Realms (PC, PS3)
- EverQuest II (PC)
- EverQuest (PC)
- Legends of Norrath: Oathbreaker (PC)
- Vanguard: Saga of Heroes (PC)
To be held at the Los Angeles Convention Center after a one-year stint in Santa Monica, E3 2008 will kick off on July 14 and carry on through the 17th. For a more comprehensive list of games confirmed to appear at E3, visit our constantly evolving Big E3 List ENDQUOTE
SWG is not in the plans for next year with SOE. As I have predicted.
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Just goes to show, there's no fooling the Jestor.
Maybe its just a mistake , a typo perhaps . I felt obigated to take it to the source
http://forums.station.sony.com/station/posts/list.m?topic_id=11500010137
In this case a no comment will speak volumes.
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Nice try again, but the TRUTH speaks volumes.
http://www.gametap.com/articles/gamenews/lucasarts_leaves_esa-05192008
It was Lucas Arts decision not SOE's. Since LEC controls all aspecs of the game and they will not be there, SWG can't be there.
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LucasArts Leaves ESA
Second major departure shakes foundations of once bulletproof game industry trade org; ESA makes claims to business as usual.
A second high-profile game publisher has decided to forgo renewing its membership to the industry's largest trade group, the Electronic Software Association (ESA).
LucasArts, the game division of LucasFilm, the privately held entertainment powerhouse owned by film director and producer George Lucas, confirmed the news last week, with the ESA quickly issuing a statement hoping to neutralize the impact of the company's decision.
LucasArts joins soon-to-be-merged publishers Activision and Vivendi in the unexpected move. Those companies announced their decision earlier this month.
LucasArts will still participate in the ESA-sponsored E3 Expo trade show, however, slated for later this summer.
The departures of Activision, Vivendi, and LucasArts from the member rolls of the ESA compounds what is shaping up to be a challenging period for the ESA. Over the past few weeks a number of traditional E3 exhibitors announced they wouldn't participate in the upcoming 2008 E3 Expo.
Foundation 9 and NCsoft said they would pass on this year's event. Activision and Vivendi are also passing on the opportunity to demo upcoming games in what had for more than a decade been a must-attend event for game publishers.
Last week, the ESA did all it could to smooth over the news of LucasArt's departure, stating the publisher's move was an aberration, and that otherwise, all systems were go.
The statement read in part: "Since its creation in 1994, the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) has grown and evolved into the preeminent voice of the video and computer game industry. The organization has 25 members, including three companies that were welcomed last year. Today, we can confirm that one of our members, LucasArts, has decided not to renew its membership. We value each member of our association, but respect the unique factors that led to LucasArts' decision. Last year was a record year for an industry which is becoming an increasingly important part of the nation's social, cultural and economic landscape. We are confident the industry will continue to thrive and ESA will continue to create a beneficial environment for the entire entertainment software industry."
In related news, the trade group today announced a keynote speaker for this year's event, stating that Texas Governor Rick Perry would deliver and opening address at this year's show. E3 is scheduled to take place at the Los Angeles Convention Center from July 15 to 17.
The event's return to the LACC follows last year's experiment of holding the show in Santa Monica. The far-flung nature of the show, spread among many hotels and venues, caused a logistical nightmare for attendees. With the move back into its old stomping ground, the group hopes are that the show will be easier of attendees who move from booth to booth playing prerelease versions of games. However, attendees shouldn't expect E3 Expo to look anything like it has in years past. Exhibitors will be housed only in suites and mid-sized demo spaces. Kentia Hall will also be used as expo space, but the mammoth South and West Halls will be filled with a garden show, with no relation to the ESA or game industry.
is't E3 no longer open to the public. If Im wrong please correct me. Could this be part of the reason that so many VGC are not attending E3 this year.
Have you not read the Bible?
Oh, yeah, yeah... Not all of it. Actually, I'm listening to it on tape.
Don't tell me how it ends.
Did you even read the article that you cut/copy/pasted? I don't think you did or you have a severe lack of reading comprehension skills. Seriously. Can you really, REALLY, not see what you yourself pasted here?
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Doesn't it say right here in your own quoted press release Lucas will be there? They're listed as attending on E3's roster of confirmed attendees.
http://www.e3summit08.com/login/login.aspx?redirect=%2findex.aspx
So you're just dead wrong. LucasArts will be there. Reading comprehension FTL
You folks should stop bringing facts into the debate. That is just mean. SWG not being at E3 has nothing to do with it being the worst MMO on the market and being on life support, with no chance of recovery! There has to be some other reason behind it... maybe involving wizards or something... Just like the game no longer being produced for retail sale is a good thing that will help the game grow. There has to be wizards, or something, involved in that one too...
A few of SOE's other MMO's are also not on the list. Did it ever cross you mind that its simply because some of these are new games, and perhaps the others will have an expansion revealed at E3? We already know there are no plans for a SWG expansion in the next year, so really why would they bring a game to E3 when they have nothing new to show for it? They wouldn't... Galaxies wasn't at least years E3 either.
Logic goes a long way people. Instead of looking at something like this as a dooms day posting and making wild assumptions, actually try looking at it logicly, and think what might be the REAL reasons a game like SWG isn't on the list. To even think something like this is even a hint that Galaxies is finished is laughable at best.
In reality, the first sign you will see that SWG is starting to die, will be a server merge long before the game is ever shut down. Obviouslly its still profitable with all the servers running... onces it no longer is, there will be a reduction in servers before a cancelation. SOE has done this several times before with The Matix, and Planetside. So its seems quite likely they will do it with Galaxies as well, seeings as its(a much more popular game then The matrix and Planetside.
Do you get dizzy from that much spin? All but about three servers are dead. Not resting, not pinning for the fjords, but dead. Sadly, they lack the beautiful plumage that makes nailing them to the perch a consideration...
SOE has stated several times that is would be "to difficult" to merge the SWG servers, even though Smedly promised to fast track servers over a year ago. Just FYI.
Yes, you are correct... but thats when the servers are all fairly populated, and a merge was not needed. If subscriptions fell to, or near un-profitable, that "to difficult" attitude would change very fast.
The main reason a server merge is complex with Galaxies is player cities and houses. Its not at all a technical issue, but more a political issue. When the games still making money and a merge is not requierd, the devs aren't going to drive off more players by telling them they have to give up this city and house locations because their server is being merged into a more populated one.
But when its a choice between shutting down the game, or giving it a chance to live on for a couple more years... they would find a way to merge the servers, and you can mark my words on that one. At that point, if the populations are that low... the amount of people your going to upset will be minimal, especially because it will be the near empty servers dumped into the fuller ones. At that point you will not be driving off that many players, and the merge would in fact make much more sense.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
Well said Rhoklaw... glad to see some people around here actually think alittle before they post.
A note for my other post... aside from a server merge being a sign that SWG is truely dying, the announcement of another Star Wars MMO will also be the beggining of the end for SWG (providing the MMO is good). True Star Wars fans aren't going to all jump ship for WoW or Conan.... but another SW MMO will definatly draw allot of players other games failed to.
I think i'd like to go to an E3 some day...just to see Adam and Morgan :P
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Yeah, all of those games are dead. You seem to be attempting to disagree with the thread by posting a point that agrees with the thread.
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Yeah, all of those games are dead. You seem to be attempting to disagree with the thread by posting a point that agrees with the thread.
Do you even play any of thoes games, or do you get your info about them from the same place most peoeple here get their SWG info.... ex players, who have nothing better to do then make up crap about the games they no longer play?
PotBS is not dying, not by a long shot in fact. Ive played it in beta, and play it now... and there has been a stead increase of players and a fairly solid player base. So its really hard to say its "dying" or "dead". As for Planet Side and The Matrix.... you can say they are dead all you want, but their servers are still up. So obviouslly enough players play to keep them up, thus they are not dead. So what exactlly were you baseing that statement on?
I'm not doom predicting SWG, but I did want to point out that SWG was slated for mergers long ago which you said was a sign of decline.
POTBS isn't a SOE game to showcase unless Flagship decides to pay SOE to do so. It not being there has little to matter with things... until SOE "acquires" it.
Planetside and MXO don't get shown at E3, because they are games with no future as is the case with SWG. None of those games are going to rebound and no amount of promotion is going to boost them. It is wasted money to show them. They exists solely to make the station pass attractive. I would bet none of them on their own turns a profit, but collectively they give people a reason to pay twice the subscription fee of a normal game through station pass that they wouldn't otherwise for EQ's and Vanguard alone.
I wouldn't go speculating that SWG turns profit and will have years of life left once they do get arund to merging servers. Hell, the SWG playerbase has taken mergers into their own hands over the past year. They simply got tired of waiting for SOE to do something, so they are migrating to a few servers themselves.
Right now shutting the game down does no one any good, SOE, LA or the few fans left.
Yeah, all of those games are dead. You seem to be attempting to disagree with the thread by posting a point that agrees with the thread.
Do you even play any of thoes games, or do you get your info about them from the same place most peoeple here get their SWG info.... ex players, who have nothing better to do then make up crap about the games they no longer play?
PotBS is not dying, not by a long shot in fact. Ive played it in beta, and play it now... and there has been a stead increase of players and a fairly solid player base. So its really hard to say its "dying" or "dead". As for Planet Side and The Matrix.... you can say they are dead all you want, but their servers are still up. So obviouslly enough players play to keep them up, thus they are not dead. So what exactlly were you baseing that statement on?
Healthy games don't consolidate from eleven servers to four. PotBS is a likely contender for the next MMO to go belly up, as SOE's experience with Vanguard is going to make them very hesitant to buy another dog.
Servers being up don't mean the games aren't dead. If it wasn't for the DC Comics licensing agreement, MxO would be but a memory. As for PlanetSide, the tagline for the PlanetSide Players website is "Join Thousands In a Persistent Global Conflict On A Massive Scale". That means there is more than two thousand players, but less than twenty thousand players. The game is dead.
There is a reason SWG is lumped in with MxO and Planetside. It isn't because all those games are doing well...
I think, in the case of SWG and it's history, this is something that can be viewed by many as another sign of a game that has lost any sort of relevance and is on it's way out...although slowly...
Given the amount of negative attention this game has generated in it's life, it is hard to make a generalization about any other game based on SOE's handling of SWG. I would think you could say that if a game is still going strong and there is no other factor, such as trade group limitations or anything like that, you would see it at an industry trade show.
There are probably plenty of valid reasons why SWG is not represented, but I don't know what they are, so I am just applying one bystanders/vets logic.
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I strongly disagree with that statement. If LEC has another Star Wars MMO in the works, with Bioware or someone else, closing SWG as soon as possible is a benefit. Having SWG open at the time of the new game's launch will taint the new game with SWG's history. LEC has avoided most of the backlash caused by SWG, but if a new Star Wars MMO is in the works, that will change, in a major way. Having the lightning rod that is SWG still around will serve little more than a reminder of everything that was done wrong over the past five years (and however much more time there is between now and a new Star Wars based MMO).
If the folks at LEC have any interest in another Star Wars MMO, they would be best off putting SWG out of its misery as soon as possible. At this point, it would be a mercy killing anyway.
I strongly disagree with that statement. If LEC has another Star Wars MMO in the works, with Bioware or someone else, closing SWG as soon as possible is a benefit. Having SWG open at the time of the new game's launch will taint the new game with SWG's history. LEC has avoided most of the backlash caused by SWG, but if a new Star Wars MMO is in the works, that will change, in a major way. Having the lightning rod that is SWG still around will serve little more than a reminder of everything that was done wrong over the past five years (and however much more time there is between now and a new Star Wars based MMO).
If the folks at LEC have any interest in another Star Wars MMO, they would be best off putting SWG out of its misery as soon as possible. At this point, it would be a mercy killing anyway.
I do agree, I am sure that the new MMO would want the major league stink from the NGE totally washed off their incoming customers. I would venture to gues that they would want the beta players cleasned of this stench as well. Break out the shovels.
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Who knows, it could also mean that SCE is looking at streamlining their catelog of MMO's now that the online division is under new leadership.
Trimming the fat so to speak.
I'd also like to note that I believe it was Jestor that pointed out that Smed didn't include SWG in one of his speaches recently.
All I can say is that if SWG was a stock I certainly wouldn't be investing in it right now.
Who knows, it could also mean that SCE is looking at streamlining their catelog of MMO's now that the online division is under new leadership.
Trimming the fat so to speak.
I'd also like to note that I believe it was Jestor that pointed out that Smed didn't include SWG in one of his speaches recently.
All I can say is that if SWG was a stock I certainly wouldn't be investing in it right now.
Why yes I did and that became reason number 7 in my countdown challenge and this E3 exclusion of SWG will have to be an addendum to that reason - SOE desinvolve themselves from SWG.
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I still would think that SWG will "clunk" along at least until the "new" SW MMO is launched. Even if they only have 20K subs, at this point, those 20K will be looked at as the "base" for the new MMO.
Mergers most probably, will not be done as they just simply do not have the dev "man power" to do them. Anyone that uses the fact that a server mergers have not been done as a "healthy" sign of SWG is just not informed or has rose colored glasses. Make a toon on Kauri and ask yourself if server merges are needed.
I just had a pm convo with a guy still on bria who says bria is now DEAD after the latest exodus to AoC. Dead may be relative, as bria almost can't be as dead as Kauri, but that did show me exactly the road that the SWG population is taking.