OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
Never said he wasn't a douche. But the whole idea of John Smedley going to jail for the NGE is simply ridiculous.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Get over yourself. . .SOE doesn't care about you nor do any of the other people that are still playing SWG. As for your boast that no other companies will make fundamental changes again, think before your speak. It will be done again. Maybe not soon but mark my words it will be done again.
Only time will tell but it should be obvious, even to a SOE apologists, that the NGE was a huge mistake that lost them the majority of their playerbase. You can troll all you want and call us names but we were right to fight them on it and we *have* won. Sorry you're jealous of our success.
Yes, I am INCREDIBLY jealous that I have not wasted the two years of my life playing this game and three years bitching about it.
As you should be but that's no reason to start hating on us.
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Originally posted by kobie173 Originally posted by swgtester1 you know what? there shouldn't even be an E3. i feel you don't need it not only that E3 over hypes games that turn out to be bad. E3 hyped age of conan and it's one of the worst mmos to date. E3 hyped other games and has now become a microsoft and nintendo lovefest. and microsoft is known for ripping people off and nintendo can only make systems where you play bowling with a remote. you want to find out about a game? read the forums and see what other people have to say you'll see the truth. and the truth is swg isn't there as it is a dead game. the player base is about 4k players and a joke of the mmo world. and $OE knows you show off good games at E3 not games that at one time where the greatest game ever made turned into a shell of it's former self.
Sweet, now we're down to 4K! Which one of you guys is going to say 3K next?
I would say as a more realistic assessment, based upon all estimates and everything I've heard elsewhere, 10-15K active players, 25-30K unique subs, plus 75K station pass.
That gets us to the 100K they can quietly spread, when really the number is far less. Much better than the silly low numbers people throw around, but still not healthy.
The thing is the number of people actually playing fluctuates wildly. After a new Chapter or update, for a little while we probably see up to near 30-50K logging in to get their goodies. They don't stay though. I'd say more people pay and don't play than pay and play. They just keep their virtual action figures in their virtual dollhouses while they really play other games.
On my most populated server, I know I belong to a guild with over 250 members, and we see maybe 25 on a regular basis. The rest bounce in once in a blue moon.
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
you know what? there shouldn't even be an E3. i feel you don't need it not only that E3 over hypes games that turn out to be bad.
E3 hyped age of conan and it's one of the worst mmos to date. E3 hyped other games and has now become a microsoft and nintendo lovefest. and microsoft is known for ripping people off and nintendo can only make systems where you play bowling with a remote.
you want to find out about a game? read the forums and see what other people have to say you'll see the truth.
and the truth is swg isn't there as it is a dead game. the player base is about 4k players and a joke of the mmo world. and $OE knows you show off good games at E3
not games that at one time where the greatest game ever made turned into a shell of it's former self.
Sweet, now we're down to 4K! Which one of you guys is going to say 3K next?
I would say as a more realistic assessment, based upon all estimates and everything I've heard elsewhere, 10-15K active players, 25-30K unique subs, plus 75K station pass.
That gets us to the 100K they can quietly spread, when really the number is far less. Much better than the silly low numbers people throw around, but still not healthy.
The thing is the number of people actually playing fluctuates wildly. After a new Chapter or update, for a little while we probably see up to near 30-50K logging in to get their goodies. They don't stay though. I'd say more people pay and don't play than pay and play. They just keep their virtual action figures in their virtual dollhouses while they really play other games.
On my most populated server, I know I belong to a guild with over 250 members, and we see maybe 25 on a regular basis. The rest bounce in once in a blue moon.
I'd say that's relatively accurate. I'd perhaps bump active subs up to maybe 20K. Certainly not in the pink of health, by any stretch. But every time I log into this forum, I see estimates that are just ridiculous.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Originally posted by kobie173 Originally posted by Gishgeron Originally posted by vet-in-exile Originally posted by Gishgeron Originally posted by kobie173
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute. The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed. If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us. Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
TRue enough, but the problem is not one of douchebaggery, but one of fraud. IF he did what seems to have been done here, he and his cohorts may very well be guilty of fraud.
Advertizing upcoming changes to the game that they knew were never going to happen, advertzing additions to certain classes that they knew full well they were going to remove amounts to a willful deception of one's customers, which is fraud.
That's illegal in every state. I'm not sure how strong a case there is for it, but recent developments show that it may very well be the case.
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
TRue enough, but the problem is not one of douchebaggery, but one of fraud. IF he did what seems to have been done here, he and his cohorts may very well be guilty of fraud.
Advertizing upcoming changes to the game that they knew were never going to happen, advertzing additions to certain classes that they knew full well they were going to remove amounts to a willful deception of one's customers, which is fraud.
That's illegal in every state. I'm not sure how strong a case there is for it, but recent developments show that it may very well be the case.
Even if SOE could be irrefutably proven to have committed fraud, the chance that John Smedley himself would do a perp walk or spend a night in a jail cell is laughable. Anyone who insists on his imprisonment for his "crimes" loses any and all credibility. It will never happen.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Even if SOE could be irrefutably proven to have committed fraud, the chance that John Smedley himself would do a perp walk or spend a night in a jail cell is laughable. Anyone who insists on his imprisonment for his "crimes" loses any and all credibility. It will never happen.
Which is why most of us are perfectly happy to sit back and watch his company fall apart around him. Seeing Smed become the laughing stock of the mmorpg world has been amazingly entertaining.
Even if SOE could be irrefutably proven to have committed fraud, the chance that John Smedley himself would do a perp walk or spend a night in a jail cell is laughable. Anyone who insists on his imprisonment for his "crimes" loses any and all credibility. It will never happen.
Which is why most of us are perfectly happy to sit back and watch his company fall apart around him. Seeing Smed become the laughing stock of the mmorpg world has been amazingly entertaining.
more fun than learning traps. more fun than visiting my favorite crafter. more fun than selling mats. more fun than hanging out in a cantina....
soe can see now that they killed the game but the community lives on. and we do not forget or forgive. we will always be there to remind players to avoid them!
Originally posted by kobie173 Originally posted by Fishermage
Originally posted by kobie173
Originally posted by Gishgeron
Originally posted by vet-in-exile
Originally posted by Gishgeron
Originally posted by kobie173
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute. The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed. If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us. Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
TRue enough, but the problem is not one of douchebaggery, but one of fraud. IF he did what seems to have been done here, he and his cohorts may very well be guilty of fraud. Advertizing upcoming changes to the game that they knew were never going to happen, advertzing additions to certain classes that they knew full well they were going to remove amounts to a willful deception of one's customers, which is fraud. That's illegal in every state. I'm not sure how strong a case there is for it, but recent developments show that it may very well be the case. Even if SOE could be irrefutably proven to have committed fraud, the chance that John Smedley himself would do a perp walk or spend a night in a jail cell is laughable. Anyone who insists on his imprisonment for his "crimes" loses any and all credibility. It will never happen.
WILL never happen and SHOULD never happen are not the same thing. I don't think anyone who desires a more just world loses any credibility.
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OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
Never said he wasn't a douche. But the whole idea of John Smedley going to jail for the NGE is simply ridiculous.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Only time will tell but it should be obvious, even to a SOE apologists, that the NGE was a huge mistake that lost them the majority of their playerbase. You can troll all you want and call us names but we were right to fight them on it and we *have* won. Sorry you're jealous of our success.
Yes, I am INCREDIBLY jealous that I have not wasted the two years of my life playing this game and three years bitching about it.
As you should be but that's no reason to start hating on us.
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
I would say as a more realistic assessment, based upon all estimates and everything I've heard elsewhere, 10-15K active players, 25-30K unique subs, plus 75K station pass.
That gets us to the 100K they can quietly spread, when really the number is far less. Much better than the silly low numbers people throw around, but still not healthy.
The thing is the number of people actually playing fluctuates wildly. After a new Chapter or update, for a little while we probably see up to near 30-50K logging in to get their goodies. They don't stay though. I'd say more people pay and don't play than pay and play. They just keep their virtual action figures in their virtual dollhouses while they really play other games.
On my most populated server, I know I belong to a guild with over 250 members, and we see maybe 25 on a regular basis. The rest bounce in once in a blue moon.
fishermage.blogspot.com
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
Sweet, now we're down to 4K! Which one of you guys is going to say 3K next?
I would say as a more realistic assessment, based upon all estimates and everything I've heard elsewhere, 10-15K active players, 25-30K unique subs, plus 75K station pass.
That gets us to the 100K they can quietly spread, when really the number is far less. Much better than the silly low numbers people throw around, but still not healthy.
The thing is the number of people actually playing fluctuates wildly. After a new Chapter or update, for a little while we probably see up to near 30-50K logging in to get their goodies. They don't stay though. I'd say more people pay and don't play than pay and play. They just keep their virtual action figures in their virtual dollhouses while they really play other games.
On my most populated server, I know I belong to a guild with over 250 members, and we see maybe 25 on a regular basis. The rest bounce in once in a blue moon.
I'd say that's relatively accurate. I'd perhaps bump active subs up to maybe 20K. Certainly not in the pink of health, by any stretch. But every time I log into this forum, I see estimates that are just ridiculous.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
OK, that last comment is just ridiculous. Bioware is under no obligation to give you back pre-CU. If you end up not liking it, nobody's forcing you to play it. But if you think you're going to "kill it" ... well, delusions of grandeur sure are cute.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
TRue enough, but the problem is not one of douchebaggery, but one of fraud. IF he did what seems to have been done here, he and his cohorts may very well be guilty of fraud.
Advertizing upcoming changes to the game that they knew were never going to happen, advertzing additions to certain classes that they knew full well they were going to remove amounts to a willful deception of one's customers, which is fraud.
That's illegal in every state. I'm not sure how strong a case there is for it, but recent developments show that it may very well be the case.
fishermage.blogspot.com
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
TRue enough, but the problem is not one of douchebaggery, but one of fraud. IF he did what seems to have been done here, he and his cohorts may very well be guilty of fraud.
Advertizing upcoming changes to the game that they knew were never going to happen, advertzing additions to certain classes that they knew full well they were going to remove amounts to a willful deception of one's customers, which is fraud.
That's illegal in every state. I'm not sure how strong a case there is for it, but recent developments show that it may very well be the case.
Even if SOE could be irrefutably proven to have committed fraud, the chance that John Smedley himself would do a perp walk or spend a night in a jail cell is laughable. Anyone who insists on his imprisonment for his "crimes" loses any and all credibility. It will never happen.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Which is why most of us are perfectly happy to sit back and watch his company fall apart around him. Seeing Smed become the laughing stock of the mmorpg world has been amazingly entertaining.
Which is why most of us are perfectly happy to sit back and watch his company fall apart around him. Seeing Smed become the laughing stock of the mmorpg world has been amazingly entertaining.
more fun than learning traps. more fun than visiting my favorite crafter. more fun than selling mats. more fun than hanging out in a cantina....
soe can see now that they killed the game but the community lives on. and we do not forget or forgive. we will always be there to remind players to avoid them!
The "arresting Smedley for his crimes" bit made me lol IRL.
Yeah....his "crime" of being a douche. It WOULD be nice if being a douche were outlawed.
If that happened most of the people who post on these forums would be in jail.
Oh yeah...well so would the lawyers and judges, along with most of the officers that would have had to arrest us.
Amazingly enough...if being a douche were illegal, I suppose that it would instantly cause anarchy. Or world peace...assuming people actually tried NOT to be one.
If douchebaggery were a prosecutable crime ... dear god, the number of people in jail would FAR outnumber the free men and women.
TRue enough, but the problem is not one of douchebaggery, but one of fraud. IF he did what seems to have been done here, he and his cohorts may very well be guilty of fraud.
Advertizing upcoming changes to the game that they knew were never going to happen, advertzing additions to certain classes that they knew full well they were going to remove amounts to a willful deception of one's customers, which is fraud.
That's illegal in every state. I'm not sure how strong a case there is for it, but recent developments show that it may very well be the case.
Even if SOE could be irrefutably proven to have committed fraud, the chance that John Smedley himself would do a perp walk or spend a night in a jail cell is laughable. Anyone who insists on his imprisonment for his "crimes" loses any and all credibility. It will never happen.
WILL never happen and SHOULD never happen are not the same thing. I don't think anyone who desires a more just world loses any credibility.
fishermage.blogspot.com