Right now shutting the game down does no one any good, SOE, LA or the few fans left.
I strongly disagree with that statement. If LEC has another Star Wars MMO in the works, with Bioware or someone else, closing SWG as soon as possible is a benefit. Having SWG open at the time of the new game's launch will taint the new game with SWG's history. LEC has avoided most of the backlash caused by SWG, but if a new Star Wars MMO is in the works, that will change, in a major way. Having the lightning rod that is SWG still around will serve little more than a reminder of everything that was done wrong over the past five years (and however much more time there is between now and a new Star Wars based MMO).
If the folks at LEC have any interest in another Star Wars MMO, they would be best off putting SWG out of its misery as soon as possible. At this point, it would be a mercy killing anyway.
I'm not a marketing guru by any means, but I suspect they don't want to shut the game down without some sort of announcement to soften the negative publicity.
I suspect if and when Lucas Arts decides to announce a new Star Wars MMO, they will then have a very credible reason to announce the sunsetting of SWG. Anyone not familiar with SWG history will look at that as a normal sort of thing. Vets will feel vindicated and cheer for the new game which should generate lots of positive talk for the new product and even rally some former disgruntled players back to LA side as they cut ties with SOE. If played right they might even come out looking like champions.
Shutting down SWG without some new MMO announcement just opens up the field to a flood of blog-press-magazine stories about the long ugly history of SWG and its final demise. Flooding the interwebz with negative Star Wars MMO stories is not exactly the best situation as you are ready to launch a new star wars game.
For all we know Lucas Arts might have forbid SOE to demo the game so it just goes away quietly.
All just speculation on my part though. Who knows what these nut jobs will do.
Right now shutting the game down does no one any good, SOE, LA or the few fans left.
I strongly disagree with that statement. If LEC has another Star Wars MMO in the works, with Bioware or someone else, closing SWG as soon as possible is a benefit. Having SWG open at the time of the new game's launch will taint the new game with SWG's history. LEC has avoided most of the backlash caused by SWG, but if a new Star Wars MMO is in the works, that will change, in a major way. Having the lightning rod that is SWG still around will serve little more than a reminder of everything that was done wrong over the past five years (and however much more time there is between now and a new Star Wars based MMO).
If the folks at LEC have any interest in another Star Wars MMO, they would be best off putting SWG out of its misery as soon as possible. At this point, it would be a mercy killing anyway.
I'm not a marketing guru by any means, but I suspect they don't want to shut the game down without some sort of announcement to soften the negative publicity.
I suspect if and when Lucas Arts decides to announce a new Star Wars MMO, they will then have a very credible reason to announce the sunsetting of SWG. Anyone not familiar with SWG history will look at that as a normal sort of thing. Vets will feel vindicated and cheer for the new game which should generate lots of positive talk for the new product and even rally some former disgruntled players back to LA side as they cut ties with SOE. If played right they might even come out looking like champions.
Shutting down SWG without some new MMO announcement just opens up the field to a flood of blog-press-magazine stories about the long ugly history of SWG and its final demise. Flooding the interwebz with negative Star Wars MMO stories is not exactly the best situation as you are ready to launch a new star wars game.
For all we know Lucas Arts might have forbid SOE to demo the game so it just goes away quietly.
All just speculation on my part though. Who knows what these nut jobs will do.
I'd bet that was the thought process at LEC. The problem is, the bad press is going to occur whether it is done along with an announcement of a new MMO or not. The shutdown announcement (the announcement itself won't say these things obviously, it'll be us and the rest of the gaming community) is going to bring up every mistake, misstep, and outright fraud that comprises SWG's development history. Trying to bury it in the press of announcing a new game is just going to connect the two games in more and more people's minds.
LEC's best bet for a new MMO would be to throw SWG under a bus as soon as they can, and then refuse to ever comment on it again. Get rid of it and pretend it never happened. When they announce their new MMO, do it in a way that treats the new MMO as their first attempt at an MMO. Nobody would buy into that belief, but it would help give the impression that the new MMO is not, in any way, going to be SWG.
Galaxies is going to be an albatross around the next Star Wars MMO's neck. LEC is going to need to limit the damage SWG's history is going to do to a new MMO. LEC has been insulated enough from the backlash from SWG that I doubt they even realize there is a problem. I fully expect to see LEC representatives praise SWG while discussing the new MMO. The impression it will give is that they see nothing wrong with what happened over the course of SWG's development history. That will be the exact wrong message to send.
Well it is a tough sell either way. I think waiting to announce a new game first will soften the impact, especially if they do things right this time around.
Well it is a tough sell either way. I think waiting to announce a new game first will soften the impact, especially if they do things right this time around.
The only people who will be negatively impacted by SWG shutting down are the current subscribers. They have already shown their willingness just bend over and take anything thrown at them then ask for more. They will be the first in line to buy the next Star Wars MMO (as Star Wars is the only reason anyone still plays SWG), regardless of any firestorm surrounding it. It could be announced as Ewok Island Adventures, and the current subscribers would flock to it, be sad that they are the only ones playing, and come to these boards and lie to everyone about how much fun they are having in the hopes that having more people playing with them would turn an unfun mess into a fun and thriving game.
Star Wars Galaxies has been a PR nightmare for most of its existence. It is bad enough that John Smedley feels the need to claim SOE will never do another NGE in almost every interview he gives (yes people who are constantly telling us to 'get over it', even the president of SOE isn't 'over it'). LEC has avoided almost all the negativity due to the fact that they avoid talking about SWG as much as they can. It's going to be brought up during the promotion of the next MMO. They will be better off with SWG a distant memory, rather than a current one.
It could be announced as Ewok Island Adventures, and the current subscribers would flock to it, be sad that they are the only ones playing, and come to these boards and lie to everyone about how much fun they are having in the hopes that having more people playing with them would turn an unfun mess into a fun and thriving game.
HOW STAR WARSY AND ICONIC!
You can...... swing from branches that apparently HOVER IN THE AIR!!! ooooOOOoh! Oh! and.... fish...
Did you even read the article that you cut/copy/pasted? I don't think you did or you have a severe lack of reading comprehension skills. Seriously. Can you really, REALLY, not see what you yourself pasted here? Originally posted by Gutboy
Nice try again, but the TRUTH speaks volumes. http://www.gametap.com/articles/gamenews/lucasarts_leaves_esa-05192008 It was Lucas Arts decision not SOE's. Since LEC controls all aspecs of the game and they will not be there, SWG can't be there. _________________________________________________________________________________
LucasArts Leaves ESA LucasArts, the game division of LucasFilm, the privately held entertainment powerhouse owned by film director and producer George Lucas, confirmed the news last week, with the ESA quickly issuing a statement hoping to neutralize the impact of the company's decision. LucasArts joins soon-to-be-merged publishers Activision and Vivendi in the unexpected move. Those companies announced their decision earlier this month. LucasArts will still participate in the ESA-sponsored E3 Expo trade show, however, slated for later this summer.
Hi, I am an adult and know that E3 and the ESA-sponsored E3 trade show held at a later time in the summer are two different things. The Jestor made his remarks about the E3 July 14-17th.
The other event:
LucasArts will still participate in the ESA-sponsored E3 Expo trade show, however, slated for later this summer.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
SWG may be dying, but not being part of the E3 show doesn't mean much. Hell, Planetside, Matrix Online and Pirates of the Burning Sea aren't listed either. So from your perspective on things, all 3 of those games are dead too.
None of those games are not bringing anything new to the table. Neither does SWG-NGE. So yes those games are dead when it comes to further development. They are on life support and are just there as list fillers for the station pass.
SOE would be better of canceling those games. Fireing most of the staff on those. Rest of the staff should be used where they are needed. The games under development and the games with a certain success(Everquest I and II). But knowing Smed. He wont stop until he have destroyed all SOE games for good
Hauken Stormchaser I want pre-CU back Station.com : We got your game Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums
Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
He didn't get banned from the NGE. He got banned in Jan. 05, which was still pre-CU. He got the game ban lifted sometime in late 06, so yes, he has played NGE, but his maniacal rants against SOE and SWG predate the NGE by almost a year.
I do not understand how anyone can take him seriously.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
SWG may be dying, but not being part of the E3 show doesn't mean much. Hell, Planetside, Matrix Online and Pirates of the Burning Sea aren't listed either. So from your perspective on things, all 3 of those games are dead too.
None of those games are not bringing anything new to the table. Neither does SWG-NGE. So yes those games are dead when it comes to further development. They are on life support and are just there as list fillers for the station pass.
SOE would be better of canceling those games. Fireing most of the staff on those. Rest of the staff should be used where they are needed. The games under development and the games with a certain success(Everquest I and II). But knowing Smed. He wont stop until he have destroyed all SOE games for good
How, exactly, do you know what would make SOE "better off"? Do you have access to their books?
If you think they'd continue putting out a game that wasn't making a profit, you're nuts.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums
Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
He didn't get banned from the NGE. He got banned in Jan. 05, which was still pre-CU. He got the game ban lifted sometime in late 06, so yes, he has played NGE, but his maniacal rants against SOE and SWG predate the NGE by almost a year.
I do not understand how anyone can take him seriously.
Sounds like you're a little jealous of the Jestor. By the way - Love that Jestor!
can't say i see anything all that suspicious here.
the first 5 games listed are sony properties, pretty much exclusively. everquest is their flagship, i'd be far more suspicious of them not bringing that to the table.
what's missing are the games who's IP's are shared: pirates, matrix, swg. since soe picked up vanguard and sigil went under, it owns that one outright as well. is it not possible that the remaining games will be covered at E3 (although probably not showcased) by their IP owners...i.e. LA for SWG?
just saying...there's an omen around every corner if you look hard enough.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums
Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
He didn't get banned from the NGE. He got banned in Jan. 05, which was still pre-CU. He got the game ban lifted sometime in late 06, so yes, he has played NGE, but his maniacal rants against SOE and SWG predate the NGE by almost a year.
I do not understand how anyone can take him seriously.
Sounds like you're a little jealous of the Jestor. By the way - Love that Jestor!
Yeah, that's it. Jealous. Ya got me.
What, pray tell, would I be "jealous" of?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
Didnt say you justified it. Was just asking if you held them to the same standards and spoke up when they did. It was a question. Do you think the new article in massive mag misrepresents the history of swg in a way that makes SOE "look" better? Again, thats a question.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
Didnt say you justified it. Was just asking if you held them to the same standards and spoke up when they did. It was a question. Do you think the new article in massive mag misrepresents the history of swg in a way that makes SOE "look" better? Again, thats a question.
Haven't read it. I'll edit after I do.
EDIT: OK, I read it. Horribly written, terribly incomplete and/or inaccurate, and appears to have been written verbatim off of old press releases. Says nothing about the release of the expansion shortly before NGE, or the village, and the whole "Corellian Captives (ch. 1) being the first questline since launch" is an outright fallacy -- it wasn't even the first questline since NGE.
What's your point?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Nice try again, but the TRUTH speaks volumes. http://www.gametap.com/articles/gamenews/lucasarts_leaves_esa-05192008 It was Lucas Arts decision not SOE's. Since LEC controls all aspecs of the game and they will not be there, SWG can't be there. _________________________________________________________________________________
LucasArts Leaves ESA Second major departure shakes foundations of once bulletproof game industry trade org; ESA makes claims to business as usual. A second high-profile game publisher has decided to forgo renewing its membership to the industry's largest trade group, the Electronic Software Association (ESA). LucasArts, the game division of LucasFilm, the privately held entertainment powerhouse owned by film director and producer George Lucas, confirmed the news last week, with the ESA quickly issuing a statement hoping to neutralize the impact of the company's decision. LucasArts joins soon-to-be-merged publishers Activision and Vivendi in the unexpected move. Those companies announced their decision earlier this month. LucasArts will still participate in the ESA-sponsored E3 Expo trade show, however, slated for later this summer. The departures of Activision, Vivendi, and LucasArts from the member rolls of the ESA compounds what is shaping up to be a challenging period for the ESA. Over the past few weeks a number of traditional E3 exhibitors announced they wouldn't participate in the upcoming 2008 E3 Expo. Foundation 9 and NCsoft said they would pass on this year's event. Activision and Vivendi are also passing on the opportunity to demo upcoming games in what had for more than a decade been a must-attend event for game publishers. Last week, the ESA did all it could to smooth over the news of LucasArt's departure, stating the publisher's move was an aberration, and that otherwise, all systems were go. The statement read in part: "Since its creation in 1994, the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) has grown and evolved into the preeminent voice of the video and computer game industry. The organization has 25 members, including three companies that were welcomed last year. Today, we can confirm that one of our members, LucasArts, has decided not to renew its membership. We value each member of our association, but respect the unique factors that led to LucasArts' decision. Last year was a record year for an industry which is becoming an increasingly important part of the nation's social, cultural and economic landscape. We are confident the industry will continue to thrive and ESA will continue to create a beneficial environment for the entire entertainment software industry." In related news, the trade group today announced a keynote speaker for this year's event, stating that Texas Governor Rick Perry would deliver and opening address at this year's show. E3 is scheduled to take place at the Los Angeles Convention Center from July 15 to 17. The event's return to the LACC follows last year's experiment of holding the show in Santa Monica. The far-flung nature of the show, spread among many hotels and venues, caused a logistical nightmare for attendees. With the move back into its old stomping ground, the group hopes are that the show will be easier of attendees who move from booth to booth playing prerelease versions of games. However, attendees shouldn't expect E3 Expo to look anything like it has in years past. Exhibitors will be housed only in suites and mid-sized demo spaces. Kentia Hall will also be used as expo space, but the mammoth South and West Halls will be filled with a garden show, with no relation to the ESA or game industry.
The link you'd have us read actually says that LucasArts will be at E3. You seem to claim it says the opposite.
O.k. I just saw where you clarify that the E3 expo and trade show are 2 different things. I'm with ya, my apologies for thinking there was only one E3 event in question.
If you think they'd continue putting out a game that wasn't making a profit, you're nuts.
Considering how small (and inexperienced) the current SWG dev team is on top of the fact that they don't fund the customer service department enough to do anything about afk exploiters I doubt it's costing much to keep SWG up and running. With that said, I wouldn't put it past SOE to run SWG at a loss just so they wouldn't lose face. It's funny...the rest of the world knows the NGE was a huge mistake but SOE likes to pretend that it was the greatest thing ever. Denial really is more than a river in Egypt.
Jester, haven't you been pronouncing SWG's doom for the last 3 years or so? Seriously, if you declare each year that SWG will come to an end, eventually it will come true.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
Didnt say you justified it. Was just asking if you held them to the same standards and spoke up when they did. It was a question. Do you think the new article in massive mag misrepresents the history of swg in a way that makes SOE "look" better? Again, thats a question.
Haven't read it. I'll edit after I do.
EDIT: OK, I read it. Horribly written, terribly incomplete and/or inaccurate, and appears to have been written verbatim off of old press releases. Says nothing about the release of the expansion shortly before NGE, or the village, and the whole "Corellian Captives (ch. 1) being the first questline since launch" is an outright fallacy -- it wasn't even the first questline since NGE.
What's your point?
No point. Was just curious if you held the same standards for SOE pr and gaming media as you do someone whos openly mocking them.
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I strongly disagree with that statement. If LEC has another Star Wars MMO in the works, with Bioware or someone else, closing SWG as soon as possible is a benefit. Having SWG open at the time of the new game's launch will taint the new game with SWG's history. LEC has avoided most of the backlash caused by SWG, but if a new Star Wars MMO is in the works, that will change, in a major way. Having the lightning rod that is SWG still around will serve little more than a reminder of everything that was done wrong over the past five years (and however much more time there is between now and a new Star Wars based MMO).
If the folks at LEC have any interest in another Star Wars MMO, they would be best off putting SWG out of its misery as soon as possible. At this point, it would be a mercy killing anyway.
I'm not a marketing guru by any means, but I suspect they don't want to shut the game down without some sort of announcement to soften the negative publicity.
I suspect if and when Lucas Arts decides to announce a new Star Wars MMO, they will then have a very credible reason to announce the sunsetting of SWG. Anyone not familiar with SWG history will look at that as a normal sort of thing. Vets will feel vindicated and cheer for the new game which should generate lots of positive talk for the new product and even rally some former disgruntled players back to LA side as they cut ties with SOE. If played right they might even come out looking like champions.
Shutting down SWG without some new MMO announcement just opens up the field to a flood of blog-press-magazine stories about the long ugly history of SWG and its final demise. Flooding the interwebz with negative Star Wars MMO stories is not exactly the best situation as you are ready to launch a new star wars game.
For all we know Lucas Arts might have forbid SOE to demo the game so it just goes away quietly.
All just speculation on my part though. Who knows what these nut jobs will do.
No it means if a mmorpg company attends E3 but leaves out what is arguably their biggest IP there is something very wrong.
I strongly disagree with that statement. If LEC has another Star Wars MMO in the works, with Bioware or someone else, closing SWG as soon as possible is a benefit. Having SWG open at the time of the new game's launch will taint the new game with SWG's history. LEC has avoided most of the backlash caused by SWG, but if a new Star Wars MMO is in the works, that will change, in a major way. Having the lightning rod that is SWG still around will serve little more than a reminder of everything that was done wrong over the past five years (and however much more time there is between now and a new Star Wars based MMO).
If the folks at LEC have any interest in another Star Wars MMO, they would be best off putting SWG out of its misery as soon as possible. At this point, it would be a mercy killing anyway.
I'm not a marketing guru by any means, but I suspect they don't want to shut the game down without some sort of announcement to soften the negative publicity.
I suspect if and when Lucas Arts decides to announce a new Star Wars MMO, they will then have a very credible reason to announce the sunsetting of SWG. Anyone not familiar with SWG history will look at that as a normal sort of thing. Vets will feel vindicated and cheer for the new game which should generate lots of positive talk for the new product and even rally some former disgruntled players back to LA side as they cut ties with SOE. If played right they might even come out looking like champions.
Shutting down SWG without some new MMO announcement just opens up the field to a flood of blog-press-magazine stories about the long ugly history of SWG and its final demise. Flooding the interwebz with negative Star Wars MMO stories is not exactly the best situation as you are ready to launch a new star wars game.
For all we know Lucas Arts might have forbid SOE to demo the game so it just goes away quietly.
All just speculation on my part though. Who knows what these nut jobs will do.
I'd bet that was the thought process at LEC. The problem is, the bad press is going to occur whether it is done along with an announcement of a new MMO or not. The shutdown announcement (the announcement itself won't say these things obviously, it'll be us and the rest of the gaming community) is going to bring up every mistake, misstep, and outright fraud that comprises SWG's development history. Trying to bury it in the press of announcing a new game is just going to connect the two games in more and more people's minds.
LEC's best bet for a new MMO would be to throw SWG under a bus as soon as they can, and then refuse to ever comment on it again. Get rid of it and pretend it never happened. When they announce their new MMO, do it in a way that treats the new MMO as their first attempt at an MMO. Nobody would buy into that belief, but it would help give the impression that the new MMO is not, in any way, going to be SWG.
Galaxies is going to be an albatross around the next Star Wars MMO's neck. LEC is going to need to limit the damage SWG's history is going to do to a new MMO. LEC has been insulated enough from the backlash from SWG that I doubt they even realize there is a problem. I fully expect to see LEC representatives praise SWG while discussing the new MMO. The impression it will give is that they see nothing wrong with what happened over the course of SWG's development history. That will be the exact wrong message to send.
Well it is a tough sell either way. I think waiting to announce a new game first will soften the impact, especially if they do things right this time around.
The only people who will be negatively impacted by SWG shutting down are the current subscribers. They have already shown their willingness just bend over and take anything thrown at them then ask for more. They will be the first in line to buy the next Star Wars MMO (as Star Wars is the only reason anyone still plays SWG), regardless of any firestorm surrounding it. It could be announced as Ewok Island Adventures, and the current subscribers would flock to it, be sad that they are the only ones playing, and come to these boards and lie to everyone about how much fun they are having in the hopes that having more people playing with them would turn an unfun mess into a fun and thriving game.
Star Wars Galaxies has been a PR nightmare for most of its existence. It is bad enough that John Smedley feels the need to claim SOE will never do another NGE in almost every interview he gives (yes people who are constantly telling us to 'get over it', even the president of SOE isn't 'over it'). LEC has avoided almost all the negativity due to the fact that they avoid talking about SWG as much as they can. It's going to be brought up during the promotion of the next MMO. They will be better off with SWG a distant memory, rather than a current one.
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Hi, I am an adult and know that E3 and the ESA-sponsored E3 trade show held at a later time in the summer are two different things. The Jestor made his remarks about the E3 July 14-17th.
The other event:
LucasArts will still participate in the ESA-sponsored E3 Expo trade show, however, slated for later this summer.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
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I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Aw - but Star Wars is the greatest game ever with cutting edge graphics that are better than anything else the market has to offer.
I mean, if you read the SOE Dev Blogs they'll tell you.
So I guess an E3 without SWG is doomed to fail.
None of those games are not bringing anything new to the table. Neither does SWG-NGE. So yes those games are dead when it comes to further development. They are on life support and are just there as list fillers for the station pass.
SOE would be better of canceling those games. Fireing most of the staff on those. Rest of the staff should be used where they are needed. The games under development and the games with a certain success(Everquest I and II). But knowing Smed. He wont stop until he have destroyed all SOE games for good
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Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
He didn't get banned from the NGE. He got banned in Jan. 05, which was still pre-CU. He got the game ban lifted sometime in late 06, so yes, he has played NGE, but his maniacal rants against SOE and SWG predate the NGE by almost a year.
I do not understand how anyone can take him seriously.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
None of those games are not bringing anything new to the table. Neither does SWG-NGE. So yes those games are dead when it comes to further development. They are on life support and are just there as list fillers for the station pass.
SOE would be better of canceling those games. Fireing most of the staff on those. Rest of the staff should be used where they are needed. The games under development and the games with a certain success(Everquest I and II). But knowing Smed. He wont stop until he have destroyed all SOE games for good
How, exactly, do you know what would make SOE "better off"? Do you have access to their books?
If you think they'd continue putting out a game that wasn't making a profit, you're nuts.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
He didn't get banned from the NGE. He got banned in Jan. 05, which was still pre-CU. He got the game ban lifted sometime in late 06, so yes, he has played NGE, but his maniacal rants against SOE and SWG predate the NGE by almost a year.
I do not understand how anyone can take him seriously.
Sounds like you're a little jealous of the Jestor. By the way - Love that Jestor!
can't say i see anything all that suspicious here.
the first 5 games listed are sony properties, pretty much exclusively. everquest is their flagship, i'd be far more suspicious of them not bringing that to the table.
what's missing are the games who's IP's are shared: pirates, matrix, swg. since soe picked up vanguard and sigil went under, it owns that one outright as well. is it not possible that the remaining games will be covered at E3 (although probably not showcased) by their IP owners...i.e. LA for SWG?
just saying...there's an omen around every corner if you look hard enough.
Well since getting banned from the NGE is a *good* thing I doubt he's too worked up about it.
He didn't get banned from the NGE. He got banned in Jan. 05, which was still pre-CU. He got the game ban lifted sometime in late 06, so yes, he has played NGE, but his maniacal rants against SOE and SWG predate the NGE by almost a year.
I do not understand how anyone can take him seriously.
Sounds like you're a little jealous of the Jestor. By the way - Love that Jestor!
Yeah, that's it. Jealous. Ya got me.
What, pray tell, would I be "jealous" of?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
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I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
Didnt say you justified it. Was just asking if you held them to the same standards and spoke up when they did. It was a question. Do you think the new article in massive mag misrepresents the history of swg in a way that makes SOE "look" better? Again, thats a question.
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I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
Didnt say you justified it. Was just asking if you held them to the same standards and spoke up when they did. It was a question. Do you think the new article in massive mag misrepresents the history of swg in a way that makes SOE "look" better? Again, thats a question.
Haven't read it. I'll edit after I do.
EDIT: OK, I read it. Horribly written, terribly incomplete and/or inaccurate, and appears to have been written verbatim off of old press releases. Says nothing about the release of the expansion shortly before NGE, or the village, and the whole "Corellian Captives (ch. 1) being the first questline since launch" is an outright fallacy -- it wasn't even the first questline since NGE.
What's your point?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
The link you'd have us read actually says that LucasArts will be at E3. You seem to claim it says the opposite.
O.k. I just saw where you clarify that the E3 expo and trade show are 2 different things. I'm with ya, my apologies for thinking there was only one E3 event in question.
Considering how small (and inexperienced) the current SWG dev team is on top of the fact that they don't fund the customer service department enough to do anything about afk exploiters I doubt it's costing much to keep SWG up and running. With that said, I wouldn't put it past SOE to run SWG at a loss just so they wouldn't lose face. It's funny...the rest of the world knows the NGE was a huge mistake but SOE likes to pretend that it was the greatest thing ever. Denial really is more than a river in Egypt.
I did a little research ... Jestor's first post (that's still on this forum) where he at least hinted that he believed SWG would be shut down by the end of the calendar year came in July of 2005.
He's had an axe to grind ever since he got banned from the game for conduct on the forums -- and when you consider how bad you have to be just to get forum banned, I can't imagine what he must have done to get his game account banned.
I don't even really think Jestor hates SWG all that much, he just has a vendetta against SOE.
He tells us that in every post. Not sure why you had to research it unless you havent read more than 2 of his posts before. He plainly says he has a vendetta agaisnt swg and soe because of the banning he recieved. He doesnt hide it at all..All you did was repeat his message for him. Love that Jester!!
Nah, just felt like going back in time to find his first "imminent shutdown" post. The fact that it was three years ago is rather funny, and the fact that it's all over a banning that (given his tone and demeanor) he undoubtedly had coming is even better.
That said, I, for one, do NOT "love that Jestor."
Do you expect SOE to live up to the same standards? You think hes lying or misrepresenting information because of some vendetta..so you feel the need to speak up. But when SOE does it (lies and misrepresents) because of money..its fine and the people who do to SOE exactly what youre doing with jester and others here are pathetic?
You need to go into the way-back machine and find where I've ever actually justified SOE using misinformation. Please, go ahead, I'll wait.
Didnt say you justified it. Was just asking if you held them to the same standards and spoke up when they did. It was a question. Do you think the new article in massive mag misrepresents the history of swg in a way that makes SOE "look" better? Again, thats a question.
Haven't read it. I'll edit after I do.
EDIT: OK, I read it. Horribly written, terribly incomplete and/or inaccurate, and appears to have been written verbatim off of old press releases. Says nothing about the release of the expansion shortly before NGE, or the village, and the whole "Corellian Captives (ch. 1) being the first questline since launch" is an outright fallacy -- it wasn't even the first questline since NGE.
What's your point?
No point. Was just curious if you held the same standards for SOE pr and gaming media as you do someone whos openly mocking them.
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