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Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I think my other post addressed most of your points, but the above lines are an important distinction. People didn't just try SWG. They invested a lot of time, building their character and in-game communities, and were lead to believe things would not be changing in the manner they did (such as professions being completely removed). Meanwhile, to catch up to present day SOE, some of the people involved in those decisions are still employed by SOE. So, I believe that as long as those people work for SOE, you will rightfully see SOE bashing taking place.
the thing is, WoW-BC COMPLETELY ruined WoW for me, as I have said, but I don't cry about it! I just stopped playing.
well if you let companies away with these sorts of changes they will shit all over you..wow-bc didn't remove the character you had played for 2 years from the game..one day i had a fencer the next day the class didn't exist..so your comparison is stupid and shows how much you actually know of what went on.
Aww whats da matwer did i hewrt your fewings? Truth be told, I couldn't care less about anything SOE does or any corporation for that matter. They are out to make money, they don't care about your or me or any other joe blow on the streets. They care about what is in their pockets and they care even more about what is NOT in their wallets.
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Fair enough, but I don't think you are lending the correct weight to one of the things that I said about SOE.
They *lied* to us. Flat out, in your face LIES!
You've used the word morals a couple of times. I ask you; what type of morals were being displayed by SOE when they flat out lied and decieved? What sort of ethical business releases an upgrade to the player base knowing full well that it would be total junk in a very short period of time due to other planned changes?
There's an old saying. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me!
Business and individual develop reputations. In general, I try to make it so people can only screw me once. As I said, to change a game is one thing, HOW they went about the changes is and was quite another.
I see nothing wrong with warning people off a company that has the ethics of a cockroach. If you do, perhaps you are a better man than me, but I also say that to make buying decisions without taking the history of the company in to account, particularly in this day and age where our paychecks can't keep up with rising costs, seems a bit, um... out of the mainstream.
I have heard of others not liking the WoW expansion, but NO WHERE have I read the charge that Blizzard lied about it.
Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
It doesn't matter. I'm sure there are people that LIKED the changes. the fact remains, some people think wow was ruined, others didn't. some think swg was ruined, others didn't. it didn't take away professions, but it devalued HARD EARNED gear, gear that people had spent hours raiding for, effectively for nothing, as it was easier to get better stuff with less trouble.
So yes, they took away a major part IMO. Even if they had Completely taken away hunter's pets and replaced them for sausages I wouldn't care! It's only a game, no matter how drastically it changed, all you have to do is decide you don't like the new changes and MOVE ON. Something you people don't seem physically capable of.
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Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
It doesn't matter. I'm sure there are people that LIKED the changes. the fact remains, some people think wow was ruined, others didn't. some think swg was ruined, others didn't. it didn't take away professions, but it devalued HARD EARNED gear, gear that people had spent hours raiding for, effectively for nothing, as it was easier to get better stuff with less trouble.
So yes, they took away a major part IMO. Even if they had Completely taken away hunter's pets and replaced them for sausages I wouldn't care! It's only a game, no matter how drastically it changed, all you have to do is decide you don't like the new changes and MOVE ON. Something you people don't seem physically capable of.
its not only a game when you pay a monthly fee or in some cases a annual fee. If the game had no monthly fee i wouldn't care but i am paying for a service and i don't expect to be paying for something totally different or for something i have not signed up for.
Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
It doesn't matter. I'm sure there are people that LIKED the changes. the fact remains, some people think wow was ruined, others didn't. some think swg was ruined, others didn't. it didn't take away professions, but it devalued HARD EARNED gear, gear that people had spent hours raiding for, effectively for nothing, as it was easier to get better stuff with less trouble.
So yes, they took away a major part IMO. Even if they had Completely taken away hunter's pets and replaced them for sausages I wouldn't care! It's only a game, no matter how drastically it changed, all you have to do is decide you don't like the new changes and MOVE ON. Something you people don't seem physically capable of.
its not only a game when you pay a monthly fee or in some cases a annual fee. If the game had no monthly fee i wouldn't care but i am paying for a service and i don't expect to be paying for something totally different or for something i have not signed up for.
'it's not only a game' ??? then what is it? A way of life? A blessing?
It's only a game!! Just play your month and get out is what i'd do if I didn't like it. Not cry for 2 years posting about how much SOE ruined your life.
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That forum was made to keep the so called "Vets" from polluting the rest of the forums with "BURN SOE!11!LAWL" threads because "No one cares what you think because your way to cool."
its what his sig says, shouldn't you be dressing up as a gimp and going to the Soe fanfaire? your heroes are waiting. At least i have reason for Bashing Soe, whats your reason for defending them? why do you care, do you work for the company?
I'd more likely be dressing up as an elf...but nice try at insulting me. Shows you are nice and intellegent. But the fact that you are making fun of the fanfaire is ridiculous, and on par with 'you played SWG, go get lost in your gimpy star wars costume and go to a starwars convention' . You have a reason? what? being overly nerdy and losing 6 months of your life? My reason for defending is that Im bored of seeing anti soe posts, and the hate you people spread could stop someone from subbing to what could turn out to be their favourite game of all time. You have no right to do so. And you have already asked me if im an soe staff, no, im not, but does it really matter? I thought my blizzard post would answer your question, but then again, you are only about 5 and just learned profanities.
dressing up as an elf, hahaha i think you should be quiet now. dressing up as an elf is a hell of a lot more nerdy.
you're an idiot. I'm not going and wouldn't go, I was simply making the point that you are stupid, what did a 'gimp suit' have to do with it? It was just a subtle dig at people that are going to the fan faire, which I don't think it's up to you to judge. Who cares about what is more nerdy??? It's mmorpg.com ffs, everyones a nerd in that respect.
Its not up to me to judge yet you judged it by calling it nerdy...it was you who called it nerdy..stop being an idiot . All you have done since you started this thread is judge people, who cares if you're sick of Soe threads, dont fucking read them.
ok, this is where the misunderstanding is then. Since you can equate a fully disclosed expansion pack to a non-disclosed game revamp, there is no way we can agree.
As stated, nothing about BC was a surprise and there was no shortage of info about what it contained and when it was coming. Everything about NGE was a surprise and players were actually sold an expansion pack that contained selling points that the NGE would render useless.
In the end, it is only a game. It is a game that I paid $15 per month for a significant time in. The monthly fee was spent building up my character and the community of people I played with. All those monthly fees were used to fund a change that destroyed my gaming experience (CU for me, NGE for others). The people responsible for destroying my experience are still employed with SOE despite the track record they created for themselves.
So, for many moving on is not an option. Making sure everyone knows what took place and hears about their opinions on SOE is the proper course of action. As I said earlier, advising them to stop doing this will likely incite the opposite reaction and you'll get to read a whole new flood of anti-SOE posts.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
It doesn't matter. I'm sure there are people that LIKED the changes. the fact remains, some people think wow was ruined, others didn't. some think swg was ruined, others didn't. it didn't take away professions, but it devalued HARD EARNED gear, gear that people had spent hours raiding for, effectively for nothing, as it was easier to get better stuff with less trouble.
So yes, they took away a major part IMO. Even if they had Completely taken away hunter's pets and replaced them for sausages I wouldn't care! It's only a game, no matter how drastically it changed, all you have to do is decide you don't like the new changes and MOVE ON. Something you people don't seem physically capable of.
its not only a game when you pay a monthly fee or in some cases a annual fee. If the game had no monthly fee i wouldn't care but i am paying for a service and i don't expect to be paying for something totally different or for something i have not signed up for.
'it's not only a game' ??? then what is it? A way of life? A blessing?
It's only a game!! Just play your month and get out is what i'd do if I didn't like it. Not cry for 2 years posting about how much SOE ruined your life.
I liked the game and had paid a yearly subscription..look just because your mom pays for your mmo's does mean we're all so easy going with our money. i paid a yearly subscription its a lot more than a month. go on multiply it by 12.
That forum was made to keep the so called "Vets" from polluting the rest of the forums with "BURN SOE!11!LAWL" threads because "No one cares what you think because your way to cool."
its what his sig says, shouldn't you be dressing up as a gimp and going to the Soe fanfaire? your heroes are waiting. At least i have reason for Bashing Soe, whats your reason for defending them? why do you care, do you work for the company?
I'd more likely be dressing up as an elf...but nice try at insulting me. Shows you are nice and intellegent. But the fact that you are making fun of the fanfaire is ridiculous, and on par with 'you played SWG, go get lost in your gimpy star wars costume and go to a starwars convention' . You have a reason? what? being overly nerdy and losing 6 months of your life? My reason for defending is that Im bored of seeing anti soe posts, and the hate you people spread could stop someone from subbing to what could turn out to be their favourite game of all time. You have no right to do so. And you have already asked me if im an soe staff, no, im not, but does it really matter? I thought my blizzard post would answer your question, but then again, you are only about 5 and just learned profanities.
dressing up as an elf, hahaha i think you should be quiet now. dressing up as an elf is a hell of a lot more nerdy.
you're an idiot. I'm not going and wouldn't go, I was simply making the point that you are stupid, what did a 'gimp suit' have to do with it? It was just a subtle dig at people that are going to the fan faire, which I don't think it's up to you to judge. Who cares about what is more nerdy??? It's mmorpg.com ffs, everyones a nerd in that respect.
Its not up to me to judge yet you judged it by calling it nerdy...it was you who called it nerdy..stop being an idiot . All you have done since you started this thread is judge people, who cares if you're sick of Soe threads, dont fucking read them.
I'm not calling it nerdy, I'm saying it's OVERLY nerdy to get so obsessed over a game that you feel the need to bleed hate threads.
Tbh it's not soe hate threads I dislike, it's the soe hate posts. People that hijack regular threads just to cry about swg (this is where you come in) . I still don't see why you're swearing? I'm not judging people, all you're doing is judging soe. All I'm doing is expressing my opinion about monkeys like you. I don't actually read the hate threads, but it prevents me from seeing the relevant threads.
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That forum was made to keep the so called "Vets" from polluting the rest of the forums with "BURN SOE!11!LAWL" threads because "No one cares what you think because your way to cool."
its what his sig says, shouldn't you be dressing up as a gimp and going to the Soe fanfaire? your heroes are waiting. At least i have reason for Bashing Soe, whats your reason for defending them? why do you care, do you work for the company?
I'd more likely be dressing up as an elf...but nice try at insulting me. Shows you are nice and intellegent. But the fact that you are making fun of the fanfaire is ridiculous, and on par with 'you played SWG, go get lost in your gimpy star wars costume and go to a starwars convention' . You have a reason? what? being overly nerdy and losing 6 months of your life? My reason for defending is that Im bored of seeing anti soe posts, and the hate you people spread could stop someone from subbing to what could turn out to be their favourite game of all time. You have no right to do so. And you have already asked me if im an soe staff, no, im not, but does it really matter? I thought my blizzard post would answer your question, but then again, you are only about 5 and just learned profanities.
dressing up as an elf, hahaha i think you should be quiet now. dressing up as an elf is a hell of a lot more nerdy.
you're an idiot. I'm not going and wouldn't go, I was simply making the point that you are stupid, what did a 'gimp suit' have to do with it? It was just a subtle dig at people that are going to the fan faire, which I don't think it's up to you to judge. Who cares about what is more nerdy??? It's mmorpg.com ffs, everyones a nerd in that respect.
Its not up to me to judge yet you judged it by calling it nerdy...it was you who called it nerdy..stop being an idiot . All you have done since you started this thread is judge people, who cares if you're sick of Soe threads, dont fucking read them.
I'm not calling it nerdy, I'm saying it's OVERLY nerdy to get so obsessed over a game that you feel the need to bleed hate threads.
Tbh it's not soe hate threads I dislike, it's the soe hate posts. People that hijack regular threads just to cry about swg (this is where you come in) . I still don't see why you're swearing? I'm not judging people, all you're doing is judging soe. All I'm doing is expressing my opinion about monkeys like you. I don't actually read the hate threads, but it prevents me from seeing the relevant threads.
what did you expect when you started a thread called "I love Soe" ffs... well i would rather be a monkey than a Soe piggy. I'm not judging anyone but merely stating what i think. You are the one doing all the judging. Your thread is all about judging people that you don't agree with. i'm not crying about swg all im doing is making people aware of what kind of company soe are.
Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
It doesn't matter. I'm sure there are people that LIKED the changes. the fact remains, some people think wow was ruined, others didn't. some think swg was ruined, others didn't. it didn't take away professions, but it devalued HARD EARNED gear, gear that people had spent hours raiding for, effectively for nothing, as it was easier to get better stuff with less trouble.
So yes, they took away a major part IMO. Even if they had Completely taken away hunter's pets and replaced them for sausages I wouldn't care! It's only a game, no matter how drastically it changed, all you have to do is decide you don't like the new changes and MOVE ON. Something you people don't seem physically capable of.
its not only a game when you pay a monthly fee or in some cases a annual fee. If the game had no monthly fee i wouldn't care but i am paying for a service and i don't expect to be paying for something totally different or for something i have not signed up for.
'it's not only a game' ??? then what is it? A way of life? A blessing?
It's only a game!! Just play your month and get out is what i'd do if I didn't like it. Not cry for 2 years posting about how much SOE ruined your life.
I liked the game and had paid a yearly subscription..look just because your mom pays for your mmo's does mean we're all so easy going with our money. i paid a yearly subscription its a lot more than a month. go on multiply it by 12.
Lol. Well I hope you got your moneys worth!
It'll teach you I guess.
And no, you don't multiply it by 12. The 12 month subscription is there as a cheaper option, it's more like multiply by 10, if that. I pay for my own, but I pay by the month, or at most 3, for precisely the reason as you don't know how you'll be enjoying it in a months time. I'm quite glad you wasted your money. You should probably leave this thread, it's an 'i love soe' thread, you are probably looking for the 'lets go cry about soe' thread? Maybe take up Vanguard? No? oh well then, you should probably hold a grudge and stay on these forums, that's healthy.
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what did you expect when you started a thread called "I love Soe" ffs... well i would rather be a monkey than a Soe piggy. I'm not judging anyone but merely stating what i think. You are the one doing all the judging. Your thread is all about judging people that you don't agree with. i'm not crying about swg all im doing is making people aware of what kind of company soe are.
I was expecting mature comments. I'm not judging THEM, I'm judging their means and motives. wow, well thanks for enlightening me. The fact is that you came to THIS thread, so you obviously can't accept the fact that I think you're pathetic for doing what you do and HAVE to have your say. You can go around spreading hate, but I can't spread the love? HYPPPOOOOOCRITE!!
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ok, this is where the misunderstanding is then. Since you can equate a fully disclosed expansion pack to a non-disclosed game revamp, there is no way we can agree.
As stated, nothing about BC was a surprise and there was no shortage of info about what it contained and when it was coming. Everything about NGE was a surprise and players were actually sold an expansion pack that contained selling points that the NGE would render useless.
In the end, it is only a game. It is a game that I paid $15 per month for a significant time in. The monthly fee was spent building up my character and the community of people I played with. All those monthly fees were used to fund a change that destroyed my gaming experience (CU for me, NGE for others). The people responsible for destroying my experience are still employed with SOE despite the track record they created for themselves.
So, for many moving on is not an option. Making sure everyone knows what took place and hears about their opinions on SOE is the proper course of action. As I said earlier, advising them to stop doing this will likely incite the opposite reaction and you'll get to read a whole new flood of anti-SOE posts.
no, we won't agree.
if people don't want to move on then whatever, but they're fools to go round spreading the word, and if you're one of them, then I'm sorry but you need to start living and stop brooding. I honestly don't see how moving on is not an option? People have affairs and ruin peoples lives and grieve for less time than SWG. people DIE and are upset for less time. Yet people pay about $150 and only get $75 worth and cry for 2 years?
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Maybe I am missing something, but how does the WoW analogy fit? I mean, Blizzard made no secret the level cap was raising, they added professsions, they added races, the extended existing professions to be relevant to the new level cap. They didn't completely remove major portions of the game, but raising the level cap, while almost an implied side effect, did devalue the existing endgame (as the endgame was now pushed up 10 levels). How can you really compare that to something like eliminating professions and not telling customers about a major update until it hits?
People knew BC was coming. People beta tested BC. People had every opportunity to be informed before BC went live. How much of that is true of the NGE (hint: 0)?
It doesn't matter. I'm sure there are people that LIKED the changes. the fact remains, some people think wow was ruined, others didn't. some think swg was ruined, others didn't. it didn't take away professions, but it devalued HARD EARNED gear, gear that people had spent hours raiding for, effectively for nothing, as it was easier to get better stuff with less trouble.
So yes, they took away a major part IMO. Even if they had Completely taken away hunter's pets and replaced them for sausages I wouldn't care! It's only a game, no matter how drastically it changed, all you have to do is decide you don't like the new changes and MOVE ON. Something you people don't seem physically capable of.
its not only a game when you pay a monthly fee or in some cases a annual fee. If the game had no monthly fee i wouldn't care but i am paying for a service and i don't expect to be paying for something totally different or for something i have not signed up for.
'it's not only a game' ??? then what is it? A way of life? A blessing?
It's only a game!! Just play your month and get out is what i'd do if I didn't like it. Not cry for 2 years posting about how much SOE ruined your life.
I liked the game and had paid a yearly subscription..look just because your mom pays for your mmo's does mean we're all so easy going with our money. i paid a yearly subscription its a lot more than a month. go on multiply it by 12.
Lol. Well I hope you got your moneys worth!
It'll teach you I guess.
And no, you don't multiply it by 12. The 12 month subscription is there as a cheaper option, it's more like multiply by 10, if that. I pay for my own, but I pay by the month, or at most 3, for precisely the reason as you don't know how you'll be enjoying it in a months time. I'm quite glad you wasted your money. You should probably leave this thread, it's an 'i love soe' thread, you are probably looking for the 'lets go cry about soe' thread? Maybe take up Vanguard? No? oh well then, you should probably hold a grudge and stay on these forums, that's healthy.
I actually am playing vanguard at the moment to see if it has improved since launch. its free so why not. i still see the same bugs that were apparent at launch. It only took soe a whole year to get helmets in.
well again, that makes you a hypocrite. don't buy soe games? although you haven't bought it, the fact that you are playing it just shows how pathetic your cause is. Tbh I think you shouldn't be playing, as you won't subscribe, but you'll use stuff that they've spent hours creating and just slate it. Even if you enjoy it you won't admit it, because your sig says not to. And btw, your sig is incredibly mature. Mine is a joke, making fun of yours, yours is just an attempt to insult me .
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well again, that makes you a hypocrite. don't buy soe games? although you haven't bought it, the fact that you are playing it just shows how pathetic your cause is. Tbh I think you shouldn't be playing, as you won't subscribe, but you'll use stuff that they've spent hours creating and just slate it. Even if you enjoy it you won't admit it, because your sig says not to. And btw, your sig is incredibly mature. Mine is a joke, making fun of yours, yours is just an attempt to insult me .
I'm over the swg fiasco but when someone starts a soe thread i will give my opinion and i don't care if you like it or not. Oh and you haven't insulted me?..you started the name calling im just joining in on the fun. Actually you're right you are not important enough to go in my sig.
Company makes a product. Comsumer buys a product. Consumer is dissatisfied with product. Consumer figures he/she just got a bad break and decides to buy another product. Consumer is again dissatisfied with the product. Now a trend has been established that Company makes unsatisfactory products despite telling the world how wonderful their products are. Consumer is well within their rights to try to inform anyone who will listen about the deceptive actions of Company.
There you go. The absolute most generic interpretation of what is going on. Now, to relate the SOE scenario to affairs or people dying is great for shock value, but most people will see that those are inaccurate and dismiss them.
If you are trying to make a point, then this constant comparing of apples and oranges isn't going to help. Ultimately, it takes an SWG vet a few moments to make their point and you have no provided yet another stage for them to perform. You seem to overestimate the effort invested in disliking SOE.
Again, to put this in a more generic frame; Saying people are fools for sticking to their principles that consumers have rights is a bit naive. If you've spent money on a product, you have every right to state your mind about the producer of said product if you are unsatisfied or if the producer of said product has been dishonest with you resulting in your dissatisfaction.
To reiterate, the important part you seem to be missing is the underlying belief that we should not forget the past else we risk allowing it to happen again. By ensuring SOE is held accountable in the court of public opinion, there is the potential that another company, who may want to avoid bad press, might think over a move that might generate bad PR on the scale of the NGE. And, if the critics have no effect, at least it is good reading and they are excercising their rights as consumers.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I'm here because i can be here, i bought the game when it first came out, the game was released too early because soe wouldn't give sigil the required money to finish it..so now you have another game that had loads of potential ruined because of soe greed.
well again, that makes you a hypocrite. don't buy soe games? although you haven't bought it, the fact that you are playing it just shows how pathetic your cause is. Tbh I think you shouldn't be playing, as you won't subscribe, but you'll use stuff that they've spent hours creating and just slate it. Even if you enjoy it you won't admit it, because your sig says not to. And btw, your sig is incredibly mature. Mine is a joke, making fun of yours, yours is just an attempt to insult me .
I'm over the swg fiasco but when someone starts a soe thread i will give my opinion and i don't care if you like it or not. Oh and you haven't insulted me?..you started the name calling im just joining in on the fun. Actually you're right you are not important enough to go in my sig.
NO you are not, your sig says otherwise, and your recent thread posts are all anti SOE, so don't say you're over it, as you clearly aren't, or you have a lot of spare time. Fair enough you don't like soe, but WHY spread hate?? Vanguard is a good game, and I bet you agree, although you're too proud to admit it.
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well again, that makes you a hypocrite. don't buy soe games? although you haven't bought it, the fact that you are playing it just shows how pathetic your cause is. Tbh I think you shouldn't be playing, as you won't subscribe, but you'll use stuff that they've spent hours creating and just slate it. Even if you enjoy it you won't admit it, because your sig says not to. And btw, your sig is incredibly mature. Mine is a joke, making fun of yours, yours is just an attempt to insult me .
I'm over the swg fiasco but when someone starts a soe thread i will give my opinion and i don't care if you like it or not. Oh and you haven't insulted me?..you started the name calling im just joining in on the fun. Actually you're right you are not important enough to go in my sig.
NO you are not, your sig says otherwise, and your recent thread posts are all anti SOE, so don't say you're over it, as you clearly aren't, or you have a lot of spare time. Fair enough you don't like soe, but WHY spread hate?? Vanguard is a good game, and I bet you agree, although you're too proud to admit it.
vanguard is a good game but the game was developed by sigil and could of been great not just good..im not spreading hate i am giving my opinion on soe. like you can say you love soe i can say i dislike them. They did wrong by me, and i will let people know my experience in dealing with soe.
Company makes a product. Comsumer buys a product. Consumer is dissatisfied with product. Consumer figures he/she just got a bad break and decides to buy another product. Consumer is again dissatisfied with the product. Now a trend has been established that Company makes unsatisfactory products despite telling the world how wonderful their products are. Consumer is well within their rights to try to inform anyone who will listen about the deceptive actions of Company.
There you go. The absolute most generic interpretation of what is going on. Now, to relate the SOE scenario to affairs or people dying is great for shock value, but most people will see that those are inaccurate and dismiss them.
If you are trying to make a point, then this constant comparing of apples and oranges isn't going to help. Ultimately, it takes an SWG vet a few moments to make their point and you have no provided yet another stage for them to perform. You seem to overestimate the effort invested in disliking SOE.
Again, to put this in a more generic frame; Saying people are fools for sticking to their principles that consumers have rights is a bit naive. If you've spent money on a product, you have every right to state your mind about the producer of said product if you are unsatisfied or if the producer of said product has been dishonest with you resulting in your dissatisfaction.
To reiterate, the important part you seem to be missing is the underlying belief that we should not forget the past else we risk allowing it to happen again. By ensuring SOE is held accountable in the court of public opinion, there is the potential that another company, who may want to avoid bad press, might think over a move that might generate bad PR on the scale of the NGE. And, if the critics have no effect, at least it is good reading and they are excercising their rights as consumers.
yes, they should express their opinion, for a month at most. 2 years after, why the need? they have the right, sure, if you want to get technical, but don't people have lives to live, rather than fun to ruin?
Everyone knows about SOE's past, but only people like you care, and people like me, that have heard all the boring stories before and DON'T care about its past are having our times ruined. People are reviewing games that they haven't played simply because its soe. spreading hate is pathetic. I see your point, but I think its stupid. You have the right, but why bother?
The dying person isn't an anology, it was merely stating that people shouldn't take SWG + SOE so seriously. Technically it would be like getting disabled if anything, as you can still play swg but not very well. And if i got pushed down some stairs by my friend and accidentally ruined my legs, i'd forgive him. I wouldn't tell everyone I knew it was him and try ruin his life as well.
not entirely the same but you get the point.
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I'm here because i can be here, i bought the game when it first came out, the game was released too early because soe wouldn't give sigil the required money to finish it..so now you have another game that had loads of potential ruined because of soe greed.
ruined??
1. that's an opinion
2. I think it's brilliant, as do many SWG vets that I've seen posting.
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oh so you admit it. well yes, it could be better, and it's imrpoving (IMO) with every GU.
'don't buy soe games' isn't an opinion. It's a clear warning.
regardless of WHO made the mess, SOE cleaned it up. I bet you won't be subbing again though, regardless of it being a potentially great game. You won't give it the chance of progressing.
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