A lot of you are saying how you'd never play an SOE game, or how you hate SOE. Why the heck are you visiting a forum for an SOE game, obviously you're just looking for a fight, and trying to stir stuff up. If you don't like SOE stay away from SOE stuff, including the forums... hypocrites.
My very straight forward post: A lot of you are saying how you'd never play an SOE game, or how you hate SOE. Why the heck are you visiting a forum for an SOE game, obviously you're just looking for a fight, and trying to stir stuff up. If you don't like SOE stay away from SOE stuff, including the forums... hypocrites.
If YOU don't like our fighting you leave the forums! SOE destroyed ALL my games that I played from them, SWG was the worst, they cant do anything to fix it. We're not looking for a fight, well yes we are, because we're trying to save a few months of subscriptions to them before you're like "Oh my god! They just removed this! Or they changed that! This game sucks!"
Well, Stinky...I don't see what is so wrong about wanting to warn people off a company with the ethics of a cockroach.
Don't you warn people away from a bad resteruant? Don't you report businesses that have ripped you off to the Better Business Bureau? Perhaps the Attorney General's office as well?
You don't advocate consumer protection groups? You like it that oil barons reap huge rewards while the average Joe gets screwed at the pump?
Hmmm. Interesting. I now know what is wrong with America.
If YOU don't like our fighting you leave the forums! SOE destroyed ALL my games that I played from them, SWG was the worst, they cant do anything to fix it. We're not looking for a fight, well yes we are, because we're trying to save a few months of subscriptions to them before you're like "Oh my god! They just removed this! Or that!. This game sucks!"
Haha, gotta love it when people go on a self-proclaimed crusade against a company. The majority of people, if they want to play a game, will do so. Either they will buy the game or get a buddy key. They couldn't care any less about what others have to say ESPECIALLY those that are always on the "I hate <insert co. name here> because they were mean to me!!> tirade.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Ha, I actually lol'd irl about that story you told, it was funny but ya I did go back a few times, usually after an update or two, some were ok, some were bad and wrong, some just added something and changing nothing, but that dosen't change the fact that there will always be a big update that eventually just nerfs your char to hell or makes an instance 1time per char or just completely changes the entire part of the game. I take no complete hatred for SOE, it's just that they make all their games hollow. They take a game with great potential and try to challenge the other MMOs. That's just how companies work, but SOE is WAY too competetive when it comes to updating...IMO
Ha, I actually lol'd irl about that story you told, it was funny but ya I did go back a few times, usually after an update or two, some were ok, some were bad and wrong, some just added something and changing nothing, but that dosen't change the fact that there will always be a big update that eventually just nerfs your char to hell or makes an instance 1time per char or just completely changes the entire part of the game. I take no complete hatred for SOE, it's just that they make all their games hollow. They take a game with great potential and try to challenge the other MMOs. That's just how companies work, but SOE is WAY too competetive when it comes to updating...IMO
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
If YOU don't like our fighting you leave the forums! SOE destroyed ALL my games that I played from them, SWG was the worst, they cant do anything to fix it. We're not looking for a fight, well yes we are, because we're trying to save a few months of subscriptions to them before you're like "Oh my god! They just removed this! Or that!. This game sucks!"
Haha, gotta love it when people go on a self-proclaimed crusade against a company. The majority of people, if they want to play a game, will do so. Either they will buy the game or get a buddy key. They couldn't care any less about what others have to say ESPECIALLY those that are always on the "I hate <insert co. name here> because they were mean to me!!> tirade.
You're the type of person who thinks the government cares about the peoples best interests. If someone has been hard done by they have every right to say so on a gaming forum. Look at dark and light, a company that stole money from players who had already canceled their accounts...but by your logic its wrong to complain. If i have been screwed by a gaming company i will let people know my opinion on that company, Maybe you are used to getting screwed and enjoy it, but i wont take it, be it a game or car.
I agree with your last post that SOE is too concerned about pushing updates. They should have a much better beta team, with more players testing. The problem SOE has with their updates is that even the beta'ers that do it, they still ninja stuff in without showing the beta'ers/players what exactly was going to change.
SOE needs to change that, but every company does that. Just not to the same extent. Overall I find no fault in the company for trying to change things in their games, as every company does, so I find no reason to randomly hate on them.
Ha, I actually lol'd irl about that story you told, it was funny but ya I did go back a few times, usually after an update or two, some were ok, some were bad and wrong, some just added something and changing nothing, but that dosen't change the fact that there will always be a big update that eventually just nerfs your char to hell or makes an instance 1time per char or just completely changes the entire part of the game. I take no complete hatred for SOE, it's just that they make all their games hollow. They take a game with great potential and try to challenge the other MMOs. That's just how companies work, but SOE is WAY too competetive when it comes to updating...IMO
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
blizzard has never deleted your class..they made changes to the class but the class was still there when you logged back on. Soe got rid of 26 classes thats a lot of people wiped from a game. Hell people go crazy at blizzard nerfing classes in wow, Soe didnt nerf the classes they got rid of them..if you can't see the logic behind why people would warn you against a company who don't care about their players, then you're a fool.
You're the type of person who thinks the government cares about the peoples best interests. If someone has been hard done by they have every right to say so on a gaming forum. Look at dark and light, a company that stole money from players who had all ready canceled their accounts...but by your logic its wrong to complain. If i have been screwed by a gaming company i will let people know my opinion on that company, Maybe you are used to getting screwed and enjoy it, but i wont take it.
No, Ronan, I don't suggest you sit idly by if you are taken advantage of, however, I would not act like a spoiled child over a video game. So what you lost a total of $450.00 over a two year period to a video game. Think of what you lose every year, no, every month on social security and taxes. . .but the government has nothing to do with this discussion and I would really rather not get into it.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Ha, I actually lol'd irl about that story you told, it was funny but ya I did go back a few times, usually after an update or two, some were ok, some were bad and wrong, some just added something and changing nothing, but that dosen't change the fact that there will always be a big update that eventually just nerfs your char to hell or makes an instance 1time per char or just completely changes the entire part of the game. I take no complete hatred for SOE, it's just that they make all their games hollow. They take a game with great potential and try to challenge the other MMOs. That's just how companies work, but SOE is WAY too competetive when it comes to updating...IMO
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
I am over it, but do you expect me to say, well i think Soe are a good company and i recommend their games?
To Dlore: I agree with your last post that SOE is too concerned about pushing updates. They should have a much better beta team, with more players testing. The problem SOE has with their updates is that even the beta'ers that do it, they still ninja stuff in without showing the beta'ers/players what exactly was going to change.
SOE needs to change that, but every company does that. Just not to the same extent. Overall I find no fault in the company for trying to change things in their games, as every company does, so I find no reason to randomly hate on them.
Okay, I am not going to post that much today because I feel like its a 3-4man thread now lol but yes, I do agree that they should've showed it before putting it in. But even if all the beta'ers said no, they mostly changed it because SOE changed SWG mostly looking for people who are casual, SWG was never suppose to be casual, but SOE needed more customers, most people complained in pre-cu because it was too hard for them and that made because quit, alot of them. But by the time they changed it to NGE everyone was hearing about SWG and wanted to play it. Their may be hope for them to bring pre-cu servers but even then, the game is lost anyways because pre-cu will only come back to life with the players. No more posting for me here! My job is done! 'Magic Inivisible Cloak' ACTIVATE!
Ha, I actually lol'd irl about that story you told, it was funny but ya I did go back a few times, usually after an update or two, some were ok, some were bad and wrong, some just added something and changing nothing, but that dosen't change the fact that there will always be a big update that eventually just nerfs your char to hell or makes an instance 1time per char or just completely changes the entire part of the game. I take no complete hatred for SOE, it's just that they make all their games hollow. They take a game with great potential and try to challenge the other MMOs. That's just how companies work, but SOE is WAY too competetive when it comes to updating...IMO
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
I am over it, but do you expect me to say, well i think Soe are a good company and i recommend their games?
No, I do not. You can just simply say SOE is a COMPANY. If people can't figure out that any and all companies are in it for the money then so be it.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Originally posted by ronan32 You're the type of person who thinks the government cares about the peoples best interests. If someone has been hard done by they have every right to say so on a gaming forum. Look at dark and light, a company that stole money from players who had all ready canceled their accounts...but by your logic its wrong to complain. If i have been screwed by a gaming company i will let people know my opinion on that company, Maybe you are used to getting screwed and enjoy it, but i wont take it, be it a game or car.
Ok then, my apologies Stinky.
I agree with you Ronan. Look, I don't care if people are playing VG and like it. I think it's a good thing that our opinions are being balanced by those enjoying the VG experience. Perhaps SOE is changing its stripes, but it's going to take a lot more than a few months of reportedly good service in VG to erase years of bad business practices.
As to why many went back, well, after the EQ1 debacle people began to leave. But it was always "they ruined the game" not "we were ripped off". So, I saw no reason to not not give them a secind chance with SWG. Now, many of you in VG supporting SOE never got to play. In my mind, SWG was probably the best mmog of all time. I mean, it was so user freindly that we had a grandma in our guild! lol. I knew a lot of mom/housewife types that played as well. It was not easy to let go of that game, I'll admit. I probably stayed long past what would normally be deemed as "logical".
Either way though, in the end SOE lied to us and perpetrated fraud against us. That is not something I easily forgive. Who knows what will happen in time, but for now I feel comfortable warning others about SOE's past. Folks are correct to point out that it IS the past, but again, they need a long stretch of good stuff before many of us will ever trust them again.
I think the reason you see WoW players going balistic is that there are so many of them. With some random number they said was it like 8mil... well that's like 32 times the population of EQ at it's peak. So you'll hear a lot more. I agree people hated what SOE did to SWG, as they should have done that patch as a 'reluanch' rather than ninjaing it in.
But you can't hate a company over one developer's decision. The comapny is always changing staff, and you should respect that. The same people do not work on every game, thus they have different ways of approaching things.
SOE is not one person, it's not even the same people... that's why it's so stupid to base hate on something that happens years beforehand, or on something that is completely different. Ex. Vanguard is not SWG.
'they made EQ rubbish, they just made another WoW' , but as far as I'm aware, WoW is doing pretty well for itself and I think it's incredibly fun. I'm not saying copying another game is right, but posts that say 'it's just another WoW clone' and 'not fun' in the same sentence are idiots.
You're the type of person who thinks the government cares about the peoples best interests. If someone has been hard done by they have every right to say so on a gaming forum. Look at dark and light, a company that stole money from players who had all ready canceled their accounts...but by your logic its wrong to complain. If i have been screwed by a gaming company i will let people know my opinion on that company, Maybe you are used to getting screwed and enjoy it, but i wont take it.
No, Ronan, I don't suggest you sit idly by if you are taken advantage of, however, I would not act like a spoiled child over a video game. So what you lost a total of $450.00 over a two year period to a video game. Think of what you lose every year, no, every month on social security and taxes. . .but the government has nothing to do with this discussion and I would really rather not get into it.
It doesn't matter if its a game, a car or taxes being too high...If people don't stand up and say, hey this is wrong..these companies will try the same trick again to someone else..in the end they are out to make money and if they can get away with it they will cut corners. Becuase people have pointed the finger at Soe over what they did to swg, they will be less inclined to do it again...the same with anything in life.
Its just gamers warning other gamers who may not know.
'they made EQ rubbish, they just made another WoW' , but as far as I'm aware, WoW is doing pretty well for itself and I think it's incredibly fun. I'm not saying copying another game is right, but posts that say 'it's just another WoW clone' and 'not fun' in the same sentence are idiots.
No sense tossing around insults Da1e. It only makes people angry and irrational.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
'they made EQ rubbish, they just made another WoW' , but as far as I'm aware, WoW is doing pretty well for itself and I think it's incredibly fun. I'm not saying copying another game is right, but posts that say 'it's just another WoW clone' and 'not fun' in the same sentence are idiots.
Bleh, I'm sorry I just can't stop myself from posting this. They did not try to make EQ WoW, they tried to make it better, more advanced, they made it more advanced but not better. And calling people idiots based on their opinions is just plain wrong. Yes we disagree on some things but "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all"
Oh and this is my OPINION, WoW isn't THAT great, it's too Equipment based, the people with the most bling is victorious, I like games that take skill, but that's why WoW is more casual...if you call that casual...I think it is.
I think the reason you see WoW players going balistic is that there are so many of them. With some random number they said was it like 8mil... well that's like 32 times the population of EQ at it's peak. So you'll hear a lot more. I agree people hated what SOE did to SWG, as they should have done that patch as a 'reluanch' rather than ninjaing it in.
But you can't hate a company over one developer's decision. The comapny is always changing staff, and you should respect that. The same people do not work on every game, thus they have different ways of approaching things.
SOE is not one person, it's not even the same people... that's why it's so stupid to base hate on something that happens years beforehand, or on something that is completely different. Ex. Vanguard is not SWG.
The guys who made the decision over swg are now at the top of the company sitting in the comfortable seats..well done you ripped off the people, heres a promotion..in any other job if you lost that many customer over a decision you made, you would be fired.
It doesn't matter if its a game, a car or taxes being too high...If people don't stand up and say, hey this is wrong..these companies will try the same trick again to someone else..in the end they are out to make money and if they can get away with it they will cut corners. Becuase people have pointed the finger at Soe over what they did to swg, they will be less inclined to do it again...the same with anything in life. Its just gamers warning other gamers who may not know.
Oh, I am pretty sure that everyone know what SOE has done in the past. Question is, will they do it again? There is no company I can think of off the top of my head that I would parade around singing their praise. However, I also can't think of any company (that is still around) that I would outright boycott. Microsoft runs pretty close, but I like computer games so I have to eat it.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Either way though, in the end SOE lied to us and perpetrated fraud against us. That is not something I easily forgive. Who knows what will happen in time, but for now I feel comfortable warning others about SOE's past. Folks are correct to point out that it IS the past, but again, they need a long stretch of good stuff before many of us will ever trust them again.
that's the problem. To have a 'long stretch of good stuff' what they really need is support, which so many of you that are living in the past simply won't give. Faith also. EQ has been going for like 9 years, surely that's a long enough stretch. I always see people on these forums saying EQ is still the best of the best. EQ2 also. VG would have twice the numbers if people weren't so hung up on the past, and would likely have twice the number of developers, twice the speed of updates and twice the content in each update.
It's a chain reaction you see. I've already established that I like VG and I will continue playing, but you are actually damaging MY experience by warning other people off. I hardly see this as fair?
In my opinion... EQ was not turned into rubbish by changing the styles, or the expansions, etc. The problem with EQ was that EQ2 and WoW launched, and VG was announced into development around the same time, and many EQ players had already given away a lot of their gear and toons. By the time they went back to EQ all their friends were maxed, or not playing at all. Thus the low level groups vanished, and only raids existed. Couple that with the older graphics, as gamers these days want decent graphics.... and you have a dead game.
I think a lot of the gamers on thsi board are not (for lack of a better word) verteran enough to know what happaned when EQ2 and WoW were announced in development. Many people instantly left their MMOs and jsut trolled their forums trying to get the latest scoop of info.
Just to add a little flavor... I'm tired of hearing repeated word vomit from some of the people here. I bet some of them complaining about SWG have not even played it, and are just repeating what others say. (If not here, I know it's happening in several games atm... caught one in VG yesterday.)
Either way though, in the end SOE lied to us and perpetrated fraud against us. That is not something I easily forgive. Who knows what will happen in time, but for now I feel comfortable warning others about SOE's past. Folks are correct to point out that it IS the past, but again, they need a long stretch of good stuff before many of us will ever trust them again.
that's the problem. To have a 'long stretch of good stuff' what they really need is support, which so many of you that are living in the past simply won't give. Faith also. EQ has been going for like 9 years, surely that's a long enough stretch. I always see people on these forums saying EQ is still the best of the best. EQ2 also. VG would have twice the numbers if people weren't so hung up on the past, and would likely have twice the number of developers, twice the speed of updates and twice the content in each update.
It's a chain reaction you see. I've already established that I like VG and I will continue playing, but you are actually damaging MY experience by warning other people off. I hardly see this as fair?
Vanguard has a bad population because it had one of the worst launches in mmo history, not because people are hating on Soe.
How do you know those are the guys sitting on top? Did you work for SOE at the time? There are many differenty circles inside games (being an ex lacky myself) that go into specific functions. These aren't only approved by one person, and usually those people don't even test it out. They just sign off on it saying, "yeah whatever". Your baseless accusations are just that. You cannot give me the names of the exact people that decided to make that patch for SWG, and who did and did not like it. Your posts are worthless.
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My very straight forward post:
A lot of you are saying how you'd never play an SOE game, or how you hate SOE. Why the heck are you visiting a forum for an SOE game, obviously you're just looking for a fight, and trying to stir stuff up. If you don't like SOE stay away from SOE stuff, including the forums... hypocrites.
http://spellborn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
If YOU don't like our fighting you leave the forums! SOE destroyed ALL my games that I played from them, SWG was the worst, they cant do anything to fix it. We're not looking for a fight, well yes we are, because we're trying to save a few months of subscriptions to them before you're like "Oh my god! They just removed this! Or they changed that! This game sucks!"
Well, Stinky...I don't see what is so wrong about wanting to warn people off a company with the ethics of a cockroach.
Don't you warn people away from a bad resteruant? Don't you report businesses that have ripped you off to the Better Business Bureau? Perhaps the Attorney General's office as well?
You don't advocate consumer protection groups? You like it that oil barons reap huge rewards while the average Joe gets screwed at the pump?
Hmmm. Interesting. I now know what is wrong with America.
You.
Haha, gotta love it when people go on a self-proclaimed crusade against a company. The majority of people, if they want to play a game, will do so. Either they will buy the game or get a buddy key. They couldn't care any less about what others have to say ESPECIALLY those that are always on the "I hate <insert co. name here> because they were mean to me!!> tirade.
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Ha, I actually lol'd irl about that story you told, it was funny but ya I did go back a few times, usually after an update or two, some were ok, some were bad and wrong, some just added something and changing nothing, but that dosen't change the fact that there will always be a big update that eventually just nerfs your char to hell or makes an instance 1time per char or just completely changes the entire part of the game. I take no complete hatred for SOE, it's just that they make all their games hollow. They take a game with great potential and try to challenge the other MMOs. That's just how companies work, but SOE is WAY too competetive when it comes to updating...IMO
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
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Haha, gotta love it when people go on a self-proclaimed crusade against a company. The majority of people, if they want to play a game, will do so. Either they will buy the game or get a buddy key. They couldn't care any less about what others have to say ESPECIALLY those that are always on the "I hate <insert co. name here> because they were mean to me!!> tirade.
You're the type of person who thinks the government cares about the peoples best interests. If someone has been hard done by they have every right to say so on a gaming forum. Look at dark and light, a company that stole money from players who had already canceled their accounts...but by your logic its wrong to complain. If i have been screwed by a gaming company i will let people know my opinion on that company, Maybe you are used to getting screwed and enjoy it, but i wont take it, be it a game or car.
To Dlore:
I agree with your last post that SOE is too concerned about pushing updates. They should have a much better beta team, with more players testing. The problem SOE has with their updates is that even the beta'ers that do it, they still ninja stuff in without showing the beta'ers/players what exactly was going to change.
SOE needs to change that, but every company does that. Just not to the same extent. Overall I find no fault in the company for trying to change things in their games, as every company does, so I find no reason to randomly hate on them.
http://spellborn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
blizzard has never deleted your class..they made changes to the class but the class was still there when you logged back on. Soe got rid of 26 classes thats a lot of people wiped from a game. Hell people go crazy at blizzard nerfing classes in wow, Soe didnt nerf the classes they got rid of them..if you can't see the logic behind why people would warn you against a company who don't care about their players, then you're a fool.
No, Ronan, I don't suggest you sit idly by if you are taken advantage of, however, I would not act like a spoiled child over a video game. So what you lost a total of $450.00 over a two year period to a video game. Think of what you lose every year, no, every month on social security and taxes. . .but the government has nothing to do with this discussion and I would really rather not get into it.
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Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
I am over it, but do you expect me to say, well i think Soe are a good company and i recommend their games?
Okay, I am not going to post that much today because I feel like its a 3-4man thread now lol but yes, I do agree that they should've showed it before putting it in. But even if all the beta'ers said no, they mostly changed it because SOE changed SWG mostly looking for people who are casual, SWG was never suppose to be casual, but SOE needed more customers, most people complained in pre-cu because it was too hard for them and that made because quit, alot of them. But by the time they changed it to NGE everyone was hearing about SWG and wanted to play it. Their may be hope for them to bring pre-cu servers but even then, the game is lost anyways because pre-cu will only come back to life with the players. No more posting for me here! My job is done! 'Magic Inivisible Cloak' ACTIVATE!
Blizzard does this all the time. . .and they aren't the only ones. Its natural for an MMO to have changes patched in. Some are good some are bad you just have to get over it and move on.
I am over it, but do you expect me to say, well i think Soe are a good company and i recommend their games?
No, I do not. You can just simply say SOE is a COMPANY. If people can't figure out that any and all companies are in it for the money then so be it.
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Ok then, my apologies Stinky.
I agree with you Ronan. Look, I don't care if people are playing VG and like it. I think it's a good thing that our opinions are being balanced by those enjoying the VG experience. Perhaps SOE is changing its stripes, but it's going to take a lot more than a few months of reportedly good service in VG to erase years of bad business practices.
As to why many went back, well, after the EQ1 debacle people began to leave. But it was always "they ruined the game" not "we were ripped off". So, I saw no reason to not not give them a secind chance with SWG. Now, many of you in VG supporting SOE never got to play. In my mind, SWG was probably the best mmog of all time. I mean, it was so user freindly that we had a grandma in our guild! lol. I knew a lot of mom/housewife types that played as well. It was not easy to let go of that game, I'll admit. I probably stayed long past what would normally be deemed as "logical".
Either way though, in the end SOE lied to us and perpetrated fraud against us. That is not something I easily forgive. Who knows what will happen in time, but for now I feel comfortable warning others about SOE's past. Folks are correct to point out that it IS the past, but again, they need a long stretch of good stuff before many of us will ever trust them again.
To ronan:
I think the reason you see WoW players going balistic is that there are so many of them. With some random number they said was it like 8mil... well that's like 32 times the population of EQ at it's peak. So you'll hear a lot more. I agree people hated what SOE did to SWG, as they should have done that patch as a 'reluanch' rather than ninjaing it in.
But you can't hate a company over one developer's decision. The comapny is always changing staff, and you should respect that. The same people do not work on every game, thus they have different ways of approaching things.
SOE is not one person, it's not even the same people... that's why it's so stupid to base hate on something that happens years beforehand, or on something that is completely different. Ex. Vanguard is not SWG.
http://spellborn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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'they made EQ rubbish, they just made another WoW' , but as far as I'm aware, WoW is doing pretty well for itself and I think it's incredibly fun. I'm not saying copying another game is right, but posts that say 'it's just another WoW clone' and 'not fun' in the same sentence are idiots.
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No, Ronan, I don't suggest you sit idly by if you are taken advantage of, however, I would not act like a spoiled child over a video game. So what you lost a total of $450.00 over a two year period to a video game. Think of what you lose every year, no, every month on social security and taxes. . .but the government has nothing to do with this discussion and I would really rather not get into it.
It doesn't matter if its a game, a car or taxes being too high...If people don't stand up and say, hey this is wrong..these companies will try the same trick again to someone else..in the end they are out to make money and if they can get away with it they will cut corners. Becuase people have pointed the finger at Soe over what they did to swg, they will be less inclined to do it again...the same with anything in life.
Its just gamers warning other gamers who may not know.
No sense tossing around insults Da1e. It only makes people angry and irrational.
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Bleh, I'm sorry I just can't stop myself from posting this. They did not try to make EQ WoW, they tried to make it better, more advanced, they made it more advanced but not better. And calling people idiots based on their opinions is just plain wrong. Yes we disagree on some things but "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all"
Oh and this is my OPINION, WoW isn't THAT great, it's too Equipment based, the people with the most bling is victorious, I like games that take skill, but that's why WoW is more casual...if you call that casual...I think it is.
The guys who made the decision over swg are now at the top of the company sitting in the comfortable seats..well done you ripped off the people, heres a promotion..in any other job if you lost that many customer over a decision you made, you would be fired.
Oh, I am pretty sure that everyone know what SOE has done in the past. Question is, will they do it again? There is no company I can think of off the top of my head that I would parade around singing their praise. However, I also can't think of any company (that is still around) that I would outright boycott. Microsoft runs pretty close, but I like computer games so I have to eat it.
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that's the problem. To have a 'long stretch of good stuff' what they really need is support, which so many of you that are living in the past simply won't give. Faith also. EQ has been going for like 9 years, surely that's a long enough stretch. I always see people on these forums saying EQ is still the best of the best. EQ2 also. VG would have twice the numbers if people weren't so hung up on the past, and would likely have twice the number of developers, twice the speed of updates and twice the content in each update.
It's a chain reaction you see. I've already established that I like VG and I will continue playing, but you are actually damaging MY experience by warning other people off. I hardly see this as fair?
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In my opinion... EQ was not turned into rubbish by changing the styles, or the expansions, etc. The problem with EQ was that EQ2 and WoW launched, and VG was announced into development around the same time, and many EQ players had already given away a lot of their gear and toons. By the time they went back to EQ all their friends were maxed, or not playing at all. Thus the low level groups vanished, and only raids existed. Couple that with the older graphics, as gamers these days want decent graphics.... and you have a dead game.
I think a lot of the gamers on thsi board are not (for lack of a better word) verteran enough to know what happaned when EQ2 and WoW were announced in development. Many people instantly left their MMOs and jsut trolled their forums trying to get the latest scoop of info.
Just to add a little flavor... I'm tired of hearing repeated word vomit from some of the people here. I bet some of them complaining about SWG have not even played it, and are just repeating what others say. (If not here, I know it's happening in several games atm... caught one in VG yesterday.)
http://spellborn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
that's the problem. To have a 'long stretch of good stuff' what they really need is support, which so many of you that are living in the past simply won't give. Faith also. EQ has been going for like 9 years, surely that's a long enough stretch. I always see people on these forums saying EQ is still the best of the best. EQ2 also. VG would have twice the numbers if people weren't so hung up on the past, and would likely have twice the number of developers, twice the speed of updates and twice the content in each update.
It's a chain reaction you see. I've already established that I like VG and I will continue playing, but you are actually damaging MY experience by warning other people off. I hardly see this as fair?
Vanguard has a bad population because it had one of the worst launches in mmo history, not because people are hating on Soe.
To ronan:
How do you know those are the guys sitting on top? Did you work for SOE at the time? There are many differenty circles inside games (being an ex lacky myself) that go into specific functions. These aren't only approved by one person, and usually those people don't even test it out. They just sign off on it saying, "yeah whatever". Your baseless accusations are just that. You cannot give me the names of the exact people that decided to make that patch for SWG, and who did and did not like it. Your posts are worthless.
I deem you PWNED
http://spellborn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page