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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by Mattissimo 
     

    Well WOW is a huge success and only offers meaningless crafting and no economy worth mentioning, on top of that you have crowded meaningless BGs and fans of the meaningless arena bragging rights thingy.
    Im sure there is a market.

     



     

    Says almost 11 million active subscriptions and only the leading MMO to have ever acheived such numbers, and not to mention the standard maker! Look at both AoC and WAR trying to clone WoW, so yeah WAR is great it had to clone another game just to try to get high sub's. Good one!

     

  • DameonkDameonk Member UncommonPosts: 1,914
    Originally posted by sabutai22

    Says almost 11 million active subscriptions and only the leading MMO to have ever acheived such numbers, and not to mention the standard maker! Look at both AoC and WAR trying to clone WoW, so yeah WAR is great it had to clone another game just to try to get high sub's. Good one
    *sigh*  Hasn't this been beaten to death already?  WAR did not clone WoW.  It just uses the standard MMO formula set in place by EQ a decade ago.  All level based MMO games are the same at heart.  The only original one was EQ.

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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by Dameonk

    Originally posted by sabutai22

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    *sigh*  Hasn't this been beaten to death already?  WAR did not clone WoW.  It just uses the standard MMO formula set in place by EQ a decade ago.  All level based MMO games are the same at heart.  The only original one was EQ.



    If at first glace you can not tell the difference between two games .. thats a clone! if by screenshots or even video you still have a hard time trying to figure if its WoW or WAR .. Yep thats a clone!

    Even their core system in the way they do quests is a Clone!

    and just for your edu'ma'cation, WoW did not clone EQ. WoW used the core level / class based concept of EQ but never cloned it, hence WoW huge success in the industry!

    However, EQ2 did try to clone WoW as AoC did as well and look what happend to those games!

     

  • PinkCatPinkCat Member Posts: 218

    2.4 million "Active" subscriptions for World of Warcraft.  The game is 4 years old and offers nothing new, the only thing people obtain now is burnout.  I always switch MMO's every 3 years regardless the time and devotion spent. I have no problem walking away from invested toons been doing it for a long time.

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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by PinkCat


    2.4 million "Active" subscriptions for World of Warcraft.  The game is 4 years old and offers nothing new, the only thing people obtain now is burnout.  I always switch MMO's every 3 years regardless the time and devotion spent. I have no problem walking away from invested toons been doing it for a long time.



     

    Correction:

    "IRVINE, Calif. -- January 22, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season. World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia."

    WAR will NOT achieve those numbers, not when the 'gameplay' is more than 4 years old and offers nothing new as stated above by PinkCat!

     

  • RudydogRudydog Member Posts: 144

    Have to admit, I lived through the Burning Crusade, where all you gear and everything you knew was just turned insideout. Guess it makes scense, but to work so hard in 40 man raids to get where you got and for the game to just go well all that means shit now GRATS! Is pretty painful.

    Their answer to this.... lets do it again! In the same sweep lets totally burn one of our classes for a new one we will introduce...............

    Just shows how stupid WOW'ers are.

    Fair Dinkum!

    Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice SHAME ON ME!

    P.S: The first chink in the Blizzard armour to me was exactly that, their anouncment of the Season 4 Arena Gear. Their idea to normalise how the armour looks was the first sign to me that:

    1: Some funding had been redirected from the art departement

    2. Less people were working on WOW.

    Lots of other projects out there for Blizzard to make more money for them other than WOW at the moment, Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 here guys. Blizzard normalizing armour sets is seriously the first indicator for me.

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  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by sabutai22




    If at first glace you can not tell the difference between two games .. thats a clone! if by screenshots or even video you still have a hard time trying to figure if its WoW or WAR .. Yep thats a clone!
    Even their core system in the way they do quests is a Clone!
    and just for your edu'ma'cation, WoW did not clone EQ. WoW used the core level / class based concept of EQ but never cloned it, hence WoW huge success in the industry!
    However, EQ2 did try to clone WoW as AoC did as well and look what happend to those games!
     

    I had a pretty good giggle out of this.  Its ok for WoW to "use" something from another game but if other games "use" something from WoW its a clone?  Your logic is undeniable.

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  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236

    I really dont understand the wow clone thing. 

    If you can tell me that the pictures here:

    s524.photobucket.com/albums/cc324/Ork34/WAR/

    s524.photobucket.com/albums/c...WAR%20Classes/

    http://s524.photobucket.com/albums/c...AR%20Gameplay/

    look anything like WoW, then I'm really at a loss.

     And all you have to do to see that the RvR gameplay is entirely different is go to youtube and google Warhammer RvR.  I'm sure you'll find more than enough vids.

    Too many posts in this thread, and in this forum seem extremely uneducated, and seem to come from people that have never played the game.

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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by sabutai22




    If at first glace you can not tell the difference between two games .. thats a clone! if by screenshots or even video you still have a hard time trying to figure if its WoW or WAR .. Yep thats a clone!
    Even their core system in the way they do quests is a Clone!
    and just for your edu'ma'cation, WoW did not clone EQ. WoW used the core level / class based concept of EQ but never cloned it, hence WoW huge success in the industry!
    However, EQ2 did try to clone WoW as AoC did as well and look what happend to those games!
     

    I had a pretty good giggle out of this.  Its ok for WoW to "use" something from another game but if other games "use" something from WoW its a clone?  Your logic is undeniable.



     

    If WAR had used the core concept of WOW/EQ what ever, it wouldnt be an issue, HOWEVER WAR pretty much made the whole game look feel JUST LIKE WOW in order (and in hopes) of attracting that player base that is a CLONE

     

  • DameonkDameonk Member UncommonPosts: 1,914
    Originally posted by sabutai22



    If WAR had used the core concept of WOW/EQ what ever, it wouldnt be an issue, HOWEVER WAR pretty much made the whole game look feel JUST LIKE WOW in order (and in hopes) of attracting that player base that is a CLONE
     

    Ya, except the game doesn't look or feel like WoW.  The game looks like Warhammer (Not their fault if Blizzard ripped off Warhammer's art) and it feels like DAoC.

    WAR plays nothing like WoW.  But it plays a lot like DAoC.

    "There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154


    Originally posted by sabutai22

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by sabutai22


    If at first glace you can not tell the difference between two games .. thats a clone! if by screenshots or even video you still have a hard time trying to figure if its WoW or WAR .. Yep thats a clone!
    Even their core system in the way they do quests is a Clone!
    and just for your edu'ma'cation, WoW did not clone EQ. WoW used the core level / class based concept of EQ but never cloned it, hence WoW huge success in the industry!
    However, EQ2 did try to clone WoW as AoC did as well and look what happend to those games!
     


    I had a pretty good giggle out of this.  Its ok for WoW to "use" something from another game but if other games "use" something from WoW its a clone?  Your logic is undeniable.


     
    If WAR had used the core concept of WOW/EQ what ever, it wouldnt be an issue, HOWEVER WAR pretty much made the whole game look feel JUST LIKE WOW in order (and in hopes) of attracting that player base that is a CLONE
     


    <Mod edit>  Have you played WAR?  If you have you would know the game plays almost EXACTLY like DAoC.  Even the animations look like they came from DAoC.  Core concepts of EVERY DAMN MMO are the same.  Get to cap get good gear so on so on.  WoW did not invent the MMO nor did it revolutionize them.  All WoW has done is make the definition of a cookie cutter MMO.

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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by Locklain


    No Sabutai your a fool, you have WoW fanboi blindness.  Have you played WAR?  If you have you would know the game plays almost EXACTLY like DAoC.  Even the animations look like they came from DAoC.  Core concepts of EVERY DAMN MMO are the same.  Get to cap get good gear so on so on.  WoW did not invent the MMO nor did it revolutionize them.  All WoW has done is make the definition of a cookie cutter MMO.



     

    As what WAR is

  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by Dameonk


    Ya, except the game doesn't look or feel like WoW.  The game looks like Warhammer (Not their fault if Blizzard ripped off Warhammer's art) and it feels like DAoC.
    WAR plays nothing like WoW.  But it plays a lot like DAoC.



     

    Examine GEAR attributes, looks the same, EVEN the layout is almost identical to how WoW displays GEAR attributes.

    NPC with icon/symbol over their heads, all but the icon is the same!

    Interface Layout, its almost identical in layout that EVEN THE QUEST TEXT is below the RADAR!!!

    So yeah, they look so much alike that they even made the acronym 3 Letters!!

     

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by sabutai22


     
    As what WAR is
     

    Examine GEAR attributes, looks the same, EVEN the layout is almost identical to how WoW displays GEAR attributes.
    NPC with icon/symbol over their heads, all but the icon is the same!
    Interface Layout, its almost identical in layout that EVEN THE QUEST TEXT is below the RADAR!!!
    So yeah, they look so much alike that they even made the acronym 3 Letters!!

    You didn't answer my question.  Have you played WAR?  Until you prove to me and everyone else here that you have your comments will have no standing.

    Your comments are so far out in left field it is hard to tell whether you are being serious or sarcastic.  However, based on your post history I know which one it is.

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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by sabutai22


     
    As what WAR is

    You didn't answer my question.  Have you played WAR?  Until you prove to me and everyone else here that you have your comments will have no standing.



     

    As i have already stated and EVEN PROVEN by logging into CB and meeting others, i have been in CB for awhile now. Even dev's know they made WAR to resemble WOW in order to (and in hopes) that by attracting WoW player base they make it UI friendly with close to no learning curve!

     

  • PinkCatPinkCat Member Posts: 218
    Originally posted by sabutai22

    Originally posted by PinkCat


    2.4 million "Active" subscriptions for World of Warcraft.  The game is 4 years old and offers nothing new, the only thing people obtain now is burnout.  I always switch MMO's every 3 years regardless the time and devotion spent. I have no problem walking away from invested toons been doing it for a long time.



     

    Correction:

    "IRVINE, Calif. -- January 22, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season. World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia."

    WAR will NOT achieve those numbers, not when the 'gameplay' is more than 4 years old and offers nothing new as stated above by PinkCat!

     

     

    Are you saying that their is 10 million "active" subscriptions? I will wait for response before I roffle waffle in this post.

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  • last_exilelast_exile Member Posts: 196
    Originally posted by thekid1

    Originally posted by Emotions


    First off I doubt it will dent wow population cause wow is still growing.

    Second, if you read up on the forums you would know that pvp players from wow don't like the "slow" combat in this game. So I doubt those people will come here.
    My gueses this game will get about 2 million max people (hopefully more)
    And no it is not a wow killer. Cause wow is to casual based pve and warhammer is more of a casual/hardcore based pvp game.

     

    2 Million?

    Everquest 2 and Lord of the rings online only have about 200k.

    Half a million would already be extremely positive.

    http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html

     

    My bet is 100k in six months because there is only PVP and PVE and nothing else to do.

     

    lol 100k there gona have that in the preview weekend

  • last_exilelast_exile Member Posts: 196
    Originally posted by PinkCat

    Originally posted by sabutai22

    Originally posted by PinkCat


    2.4 million "Active" subscriptions for World of Warcraft.  The game is 4 years old and offers nothing new, the only thing people obtain now is burnout.  I always switch MMO's every 3 years regardless the time and devotion spent. I have no problem walking away from invested toons been doing it for a long time.



     

    Correction:

    "IRVINE, Calif. -- January 22, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season. World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia."

    WAR will NOT achieve those numbers, not when the 'gameplay' is more than 4 years old and offers nothing new as stated above by PinkCat!

     

     

    Are you saying that their is 10 million "active" subscriptions? I will wait for response before I roffle waffle in this post.

     

    wow fanboy dont wait for a response it will just make u laugh

  • PlaidpantsPlaidpants Member UncommonPosts: 267
    Originally posted by sabutai22

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by sabutai22


     
    As what WAR is

    You didn't answer my question.  Have you played WAR?  Until you prove to me and everyone else here that you have your comments will have no standing.



     

    As i have already stated and EVEN PROVEN by logging into CB and meeting others, i have been in CB for awhile now. Even dev's know they made WAR to resemble WOW in order to (and in hopes) that by attracting WoW player base they make it UI friendly with close to no learning curve!

     

     

    WoW has a good UI... why not take parts of it and use it? I still doesn't play anything like WoW or look like it outside some small interface bits.

  • Cotillion99Cotillion99 Member UncommonPosts: 251

    Let me start by saying, yes I am in CB.  Yes the game still has some bugs and it is being worked on.  I personally have no idea what the numbers are going to be because i can't see the future.  I can say that i personally would rather play 15$/month to play WAR beta as it is RIGHT NOW then play any other mmo out on the market for free.  Of course the game fits my play style like a glove.  I don't know how it will click with everyone else, but so far everyone I know that has played in beta has loved it.  I don't see any reason why the game wouldn't sell extremely well.

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  • JonnyBigBossJonnyBigBoss Member UncommonPosts: 702
    Originally posted by BRYANBARTLEY

    Originally posted by thekid1

    Originally posted by Emotions


    First off I doubt it will dent wow population cause wow is still growing.

    Second, if you read up on the forums you would know that pvp players from wow don't like the "slow" combat in this game. So I doubt those people will come here.
    My gueses this game will get about 2 million max people (hopefully more)
    And no it is not a wow killer. Cause wow is to casual based pve and warhammer is more of a casual/hardcore based pvp game.

     

    2 Million?

    Everquest 2 and Lord of the rings online only have about 200k.

    Half a million would already be extremely positive.

    http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html

     

    My bet is 100k in six months because there is only PVP and PVE and nothing else to do.



      Boxes aren't permanent subs. You have a point, though. If WAR sells less then 2mill on its first month I will be IMMENSELY blown away.

    LOL 100k are you retarded?

    AoC, whose main selling point was boobs and gore sold 700k boxes

    i think WAR can easily match that

     

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by sabutai22

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by sabutai22


     
    As what WAR is

    You didn't answer my question.  Have you played WAR?  Until you prove to me and everyone else here that you have your comments will have no standing.



     

    As i have already stated and EVEN PROVEN by logging into CB and meeting others, i have been in CB for awhile now. Even dev's know they made WAR to resemble WOW in order to (and in hopes) that by attracting WoW player base they make it UI friendly with close to no learning curve!

     

    So by making a UI easy to use. . .no you know what.  Am I to take it that you will not be playing WAR at launch?

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  • sabutai22sabutai22 Member Posts: 262
    Originally posted by PinkCat


     
    Are you saying that their is 10 million "active" subscriptions? I will wait for response before I roffle waffle in this post.



     

    Here are more FACTS for you to chew on:

    "Since debuting in North America on November 23, 2004, World of Warcraft has become the most popular MMORPG around the world. It was the bestselling PC game of 2005 and 2006 worldwide, and finished behind only World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade®, the first expansion pack for the game, in 2007.* In addition to being the bestselling PC game of 2007 in both North America and Europe, The Burning Crusade holds the record for fastest-selling PC game of all time, with nearly 2.4 million copies sold in its first 24 hours of availability and approximately 3.5 million in its first month.* Development is underway on World of Warcraft's second expansion, Wrath of the Lich King, which was unveiled at the company's BlizzCon gaming festival in August 2007"

    Enjoy!

     

  • Cotillion99Cotillion99 Member UncommonPosts: 251

    Not only is the UI feel familiar to most games... but it is extremely easy to change without getting an outside program.  You can move things anywhere you want.  I personally moved my morale bar to the top of my abilities for easier ownage.   It's very easy to use and very user friendly.

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  • ManchineManchine Member UncommonPosts: 469
    Originally posted by Riechman


    Now I know that this question has been asked at least once on this forum. I'm not going to go searching for it, because its probaly buried under 100s of threads. So, I am going to ask it again.
    WoW vs. WAR?
    I know WAR is still in beta and scheduled for release on Sept. 18th, but from what some of you beta testers have played and experienced, how does it compare to WoW?
    Will it dent WoW's population? If so, by how much?
    Is it possibly a WoW killer? ( I know that was a stupid question. )
     



     

    WoW will beat WAR for the time being.  WoW didn't get to its 5 million people in its first year or even second.  As more people find out about WAR more and more will play it and like it.  I already know so many people who are just waiting for WAR to start and will drop WoW.  Will WAR get to 7 million people playing.  I don't know.  Will WAR take a big chunk out of WoW?  Thats an easy Yes. 

     

    WAR and WoW will still be the two biggest MMORPG's on the market until WoW2, Starcraft MMORPG, or Warhammer 40k comes out.  The real question is..... Just which will be top dog in a year or two?

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