Ok, Fanboys, we get it: Graphics don't matter, but where's the gameplay?

Netzoko

Person 1: "Lol, that trailor is epic lame, the gfx are so clunky. Vaporware ftl"

Person 2: "Pfft, carebear, graphics arn't everything, us hardcore PvPers are about gameplay"

 

This is the basic content of EVERY DF post in existence. So let me ask you this, where is the gameplay?

 

I don't see any besides a huge wall of text telling us how epic all these features and systems are, but where is the proof? You keep justifying the joke of a trailor as "Gameplay > Graphics" yet Darkfall has NEITHER. Where are some pics of the UI? An actual fight that isn't poorly made cinimiatics? I want DF to work as much as the next guy, but you guys are being overconfident and almost naive. This game has yet to present anything.

Porthios

Video dude, watch it. That's proof enough that it's better than any other MMO on the market. Not that this would be hard to accomplish. You basically need to NOT have auto-attack you and pretty much win the PvP award.

DF not only does that, but it gives us some pretty awesome JKII-esque magic attacks and naval combat.

Basically, with what we've seen in the videos alone, we can see that game play will be better in DF than it is in all other MMOs. If the devs come through with the rest of their promises (they've promised over 500 different spells and 500 different skills) then we'll see an overall product that is better in nearly every regard (except graphics of course!).

Any other concerns?

Abrahmm

Originally posted by Porthios


Video dude, watch it. That's proof enough that it's better than any other MMO on the market. Not that this would be hard to accomplish. You basically need to NOT have autoattack you and pretty much win the PvP award.
DF not only does that, but it gives us some pretty awesome JKII-esque magic attacks and naval combat.
Basically, with what we've seen in the videos alone, we can see that gameplay will be better in DF than it is in all other MMOs. If the devs come through with the rest of their promises--and they are doing good so far--then we'll see an overall product that is better in rearly every regard (except graphics of course!).
Any other concerns?

 

LOL WTF? You can't be serious...

This is EXACTLY the type of post the OP was talking about... And your response about game play is "Look at the video this game is going to be the best" when the video really didn't show anything.

Or you are just a troll trolling and I fell for it since that was your first post.

I'm with you OP, I want this game to rock but people are taking the fact that the video proved the game existed as the video proving the game play is exactly what the devs promised, or that the game play is exactly what the player posting wants it to be. But in all honesty none of it was in the video.

imbant

Originally posted by Netzoko


Person 1: "Lol, that trailor is epic lame, the gfx are so clunky. Vaporware ftl"
Person 2: "Pfft, carebear, graphics arn't everything, us hardcore PvPers are about gameplay"
 
This is the basic content of EVERY DF post in existence. So let me ask you this, where is the gameplay?
 
I don't see any besides a huge wall of text telling us how epic all these features and systems are, but where is the proof? You keep justifying the joke of a trailor as "Gameplay > Graphics" yet Darkfall has NEITHER. Where are some pics of the UI? An actual fight that isn't poorly made cinimiatics? I want DF to work as much as the next guy, but you guys are being overconfident and almost naive. This game has yet to present anything.

 

LOL another one of these?  It is like they dont read other threads.

starting a thread by calling people fanboys...and then saying "EVERY DF" post is like this....is just showing us that this thread isnt worth it.

Gameplay is better than graphics...but guess what...the graphics are more than fine in DF...the animations need work.

And you can think the trailer was a joke all you want, but the vast majority disagree with you and dont need anymore proof.  That will come in beta in a month or so.  The trailer did exactly what it was suppose to, but people like you keep pulling things out of thin air and try to state that the video was suppose to be something more.

It wasnt cinematics.  It was ingame footage but without ui.  It was showing what the possibilities that this game has to offer, and it did that and more.

Again...the vast majority of people were more than happy with the video.  It appeased the fans, brought new players to the game, and turned a lot of naysayers into fans.

The graphics are very good, just not at the top of the food chain.  The animations need work.

The gameplay is original and hard for some to comprehend, but the video did show the gameplay.  Wait for OB videos to see ui etc.

This game has presented plenty, and is going to turn a bunch of heads.  But even when it releases, people are still going to find things to complain about.

imbant

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Porthios


Video dude, watch it. That's proof enough that it's better than any other MMO on the market. Not that this would be hard to accomplish. You basically need to NOT have autoattack you and pretty much win the PvP award.
DF not only does that, but it gives us some pretty awesome JKII-esque magic attacks and naval combat.
Basically, with what we've seen in the videos alone, we can see that gameplay will be better in DF than it is in all other MMOs. If the devs come through with the rest of their promises--and they are doing good so far--then we'll see an overall product that is better in rearly every regard (except graphics of course!).
Any other concerns?

 

LOL WTF? You can't be serious...

This is EXACTLY the type of post the OP was talking about... And your response about game play is "Look at the video this game is going to be the best" when the video really didn't show anything.

Or you are just a troll trolling and I fell for it since that was your first post.

I'm with you OP, I want this game to rock but people are taking the fact that the video proved the game existed as the video proving the game play is exactly what the devs promised, or that the game play is exactly what the player posting wants it to be. But in all honesty none of it was in the video.

 

You are entitled to your opinion...but just realize you are in the minority.

If you really dont think the video proved the game exists...take of your tinfoil hat and think for a second.  If you really think it was faked...ask yourself why they would do this.  They arent askin for money, you are just bitter and want to keep calling it vapor...i dont care if you say "i want to see it succeed" now, because i have seen you in other threads bashing it.

Is it possible it was faked...sure.  But is it probable?  of course not. 

imbant

Here are two screenshots (i love doin this)

One is from oblivion, which is known for its graphics.  And the other is an old old screenshot of Darkfall.  look pretty close to me...definitely not terrible.

People just want this game to fail because they are afraid of it or they dont like the pvp community and cant stand to have them have thier game.  Also they forget that the latest trailer was not shot at the best settings and most are getting their nonsense from the washed out youtube versions.

Oblivion

Darkfall

 

Oblivion

 

Darkfall

 

 

 

 

Sorry buy your arguements fail and just expose you for what you are.  The graphics are fine.  The gameplay is there.  See you in game.

johaocarl

Look the video; it was in game made and have:

1- ships and naval combat;

2- a battle with almost 50 players and a calvalry attack;

3- a castle siege;

4- crafting (sadly, not enough on the video about the crafting process);

5- players at high places shooting arrows at long distances;

6- mounted combats where the mount can be killed;

7- a mob (a lizardman) using a staff for attack players with spells, then changing to two daggers and jumping over the players for melee combat (so they have an interesting AI)

Thunderous

Look, if you people don't want to play the game, referring to the OP, then don't.

The graphics are fine, the gameplay has been shown, we have seen plenty of screenshots of the UI.

We will all know soon enough if the game is real, what it offers, and if it is worth playing.  It isn't any more difficult than that.

Quit trying to get attention.  Some of us are capable of making you look silly in any debate you offer.

Porthios

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Porthios


Video dude, watch it. That's proof enough that it's better than any other MMO on the market. Not that this would be hard to accomplish. You basically need to NOT have autoattack you and pretty much win the PvP award.
DF not only does that, but it gives us some pretty awesome JKII-esque magic attacks and naval combat.
Basically, with what we've seen in the videos alone, we can see that gameplay will be better in DF than it is in all other MMOs. If the devs come through with the rest of their promises--and they are doing good so far--then we'll see an overall product that is better in rearly every regard (except graphics of course!).
Any other concerns?

 

LOL WTF? You can't be serious...

This is EXACTLY the type of post the OP was talking about... And your response about game play is "Look at the video this game is going to be the best" when the video really didn't show anything.

Or you are just a troll trolling and I fell for it since that was your first post.

I'm with you OP, I want this game to rock but people are taking the fact that the video proved the game existed as the video proving the game play is exactly what the devs promised, or that the game play is exactly what the player posting wants it to be. But in all honesty none of it was in the video.

How do you think PvP is going to work out. We know several things for a fact:

1. You manually mouse aim all of your arrows, bolts, and spells.
2. You manually mouse aim your melee attacks.
3. You can attack other ships on the water.

Maybe this isn't enough to sell you, but this already sets DF pretty high on my list of MMOs because of just these facts alone. Let alone everything else that it is offering.

Anyway, beta is around the corner. Why don't you just wait and see? What's with the hate. Sometimes I think you people don't want the game to be good. Quit being pussies and just let the game be. If it fails, it fails. If it succeeds, then it succeeds. You know about 1/10th as much about this game as I do. I've been following it for 7 years. I still don't know 1/5th as much as I'd like, but you'd still do well to pay attention to what people who have been following the game for years have to say.

If you've already made up your mind, then quit posting your crap because nobody wants to hear it.

imbant

Originally posted by Thunderous


Look, if you people don't want to play the game, referring to the OP, then don't.
The graphics are fine, the gameplay has been shown, we have seen plenty of screenshots of the UI.
We will all know soon enough if the game is real, what it offers, and if it is worth playing.  It isn't any more difficult than that.
Quit trying to get attention.  Some of us are capable of making you look silly in any debate you offer.

 

yep i eagerly await the person who will eventually try to argue that the screenshots i put up still show that DF has "dated" graphics.  let them go play their AoC with amazing graphics....oh wait....   ok how about war with its.....oh wait......just like WoW cartoons (which i think are fine, but they are from 2003 so stop bein hypocrits and saying DF is dated while WAR is omg)

Blodpls

Originally posted by Porthios


Video dude, watch it. That's proof enough that it's better than any other MMO on the market. Not that this would be hard to accomplish. You basically need to NOT have auto-attack you and pretty much win the PvP award.

 

Hehe that's true.

Harpy_Lady

I watched the Darkfall trailer and was entirely unimpressed. The blood splatter in particular was extremely tiresome and overdone for my tastes. By the time they got to the hovercrafts, I was actually laughing. It looked incredibly repetitive and boring to me.

There is obviously a seriously fanatic cult following for this game, but I just don't see it's appeal either. I played UO way back when but as soon as I tried EQ, I never looked back. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder. Forced PVP is not worth my time or my money.

That said, I do hope this game is successful. If only because it will keep the gankers and PVP fanatics out of whatever PVE focused game I happen to play.

gotha

Originally posted by johaocarl


Look the video; it was in game made and have:
1- ships and naval combat;
2- a battle with almost 50 players and a calvalry attack;
3- a castle siege;
4- crafting (sadly, not enough on the video about the crafting process);
5- players at high places shooting arrows at long distances;
6- mounted combats where the mount can be killed;
7- a mob (a lizardman) using a staff for attack players with spells, then changing to two daggers and jumping over the players for melee combat (so they have an interesting AI)

 

Funny thing is this statement of fact here is going to be overlooked as people keeping ranting the video shows nothing.

daarco

So we get another PvE experts opinion about a PvP MMO, he/she didnt seemed to understand anything about.

Its if i would watch a PvE video of example WAR, and complaining that it dpesnt look anything like the cinematic trailer! Or watching a combat video and saying the crosshair is missing, or they have forgot to remove the weird thig under the character (target circle).

If i dont understand more, maybe i should read up some first.....otherwise i would look as a total idiote on the example WAR forum!

imbant

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady


. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder.
 

 

You are aware you can attack back right?

Not much confidence in your skills huh...oh well, those AI raid bosses that let you spam the same key over and over should be perfect for ya. 

daarco

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady


. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder.
 

 

You are aware you can attack back right?

Not much confidence in your skills huh...oh well, those AI raid bosses that let you spam the same key over and over should be perfect for ya. 

 

 

Think PvE will be more difficult then PvP. The developers didnt want PvE to be the "easy" way of playing DF.

Regalar

Those who have looked at the online FAQs and dev diaries see the trailer as visual proof of the text we've been reading for the longest time . The video was a visual representation of all that the devs promised us for...7 years now?

imbant

Screenshots (you know, actual support for an arguement) usually ends the naysayers really fast.  I dare anyone to look at those screens and say that the graphics are dated or equal eq1, sb etc....simply amazing.

May not be AoC...but if you support WAR which is the same style as WoW in 2003, then guess what...you are self-owning yourself. 

m0j0mann

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady


I watched the Darkfall trailer and was entirely unimpressed. The blood splatter in particular was extremely tiresome and overdone for my tastes. By the time they got to the hovercrafts, I was actually laughing. It looked incredibly repetitive and boring to me.
There is obviously a seriously fanatic cult following for this game, but I just don't see it's appeal either. I played UO way back when but as soon as I tried EQ, I never looked back. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder. Forced PVP is not worth my time or my money.
That said, I do hope this game is successful. If only because it will keep the gankers and PVP fanatics out of whatever PVE focused game I happen to play.

This is the kind of opinion I can respect. It's different strokes for different folks.

You like PvE-based MMOs (EQ), the majority of Darkfallers like PvP based ones (UO)

Darkfall is going to be very very UO like.

The reason it has such a hgue following is because though there have been no end of modern EQ-like games released (WoW, LOTRO, etc), there have been just about zero new UO-like games.

To the OP, a list of Darkfall's unique gameplay features:

- FPS/Twitch based combat, as opposed to WoW-style point and click/auto attack.

- FFA PvP - PvP anywhere.

- Full loot PvP.

- No classes - You can change your character's "skills" at any time you want.. IE, a hunter can change into a warrior, after a bit of  grinding.

These are the fundamental things that have been missing from modern MMOs, which is why Darkfall has such high expectations.

Some additional things, though not as important:

- City building

- City sieges/capturing

- Realistic ship combat - One player pilots the ship, the other players man the cannons/fight off enemy boarders. (As opposed to say, PotBS ship combat, where every player has his own personal ship with an NPC crew)

gatheris

i can easily deal with average graphics - which is what most of the video showed - but - the talk about gameplay is just plain silly

neither the naysayers or the "fanbois" have actually played this game - you don't have the foggiest idea what the gameplay entails - period

beta should put things to right one way or the other - supposedly won't be long now

 

mackdawg19

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady


. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder.
 

 

You are aware you can attack back right?

Not much confidence in your skills huh...oh well, those AI raid bosses that let you spam the same key over and over should be perfect for ya. 

 

Not to get to off-topic but whats wrong with people who enjoy PvE? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's any better or worse than PvP. Matter fact, your doing the same thing the OP is doing. Both you fools need to open your eyes to both sides of the situation. Neither has a positive or a negative. It's all a matter of preference. Now that I've said that, i still think DF graphics lack alot. You may think im wrong, I couldn't care the least. Gameplay looks just ok. It looks like normal gameplay combat I see in almost any MMO. I find it quite funny though, that all these smaller game companys have come out with complete failures, yet Darkfall has somehow escaped this scenario without people even playing the game. I hope you guys get what you want. But in the end, you probably won't. This is all of course, if DF doesn't learn from the million examples out there. Goodluck DF fans, but don't start barking quite yet. I'd wait till Open Beta or atleast closed beta to see how everything really plays out.

m0j0mann

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady


. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder.
 

 

You are aware you can attack back right?

Not much confidence in your skills huh...oh well, those AI raid bosses that let you spam the same key over and over should be perfect for ya. 

 

Not to get to off-topic but whats wrong with people who enjoy PvE? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's any better or worse than PvP. Matter fact, your doing the same thing the OP is doing. Both you fools need to open your eyes to both sides of the situation. Neither has a positive or a negative. It's all a matter of preference. Now that I've said that, i still think DF graphics lack alot. You may think im wrong, I couldn't care the least. Gameplay looks just ok. It looks like normal gameplay combat I see in almost any MMO. I find it quite funny though, that all these smaller game companys have come out with complete failures, yet Darkfall has somehow escaped this scenario without people even playing the game. I hope you guys get what you want. But in the end, you probably won't. This is all of course, if DF doesn't learn from the million examples out there. Goodluck DF fans, but don't start barking quite yet. I'd wait till Open Beta or atleast closed beta to see how everything really plays out.

 

Nothing's wrong with people who enjoy PvE, like I said.

The problem is when they come here and say "lol vaporewarez" or "EQ1 graphix haha!". Admittedly, Harpy wasn't doing that, but because so many people have done that, the community is obviously hyper-reactive.

Netzoko

I have to laugh at the above responses, they completely prove my point: You have NO evidence of any gameplay besides an animated movie and walls of text. Just because they threw together a 3D animation of some boats and buildings does NOT prove that this game is anything remotely close to what it claims.

Let me give you a lesson: Cinematics =/= Gameplay. Go watch ANY trailor for a game, it is nothing like the real thing. Until we see ACTUAL mechanics, Example: A fraps of someone actually -playing- the game, building a city, etc, this game is still nothing. Don't you guys wonder why all they have released are trailers and nothing real yet?

 

Netzoko

Originally posted by imbant


Screenshots (you know, actual support for an arguement) usually ends the naysayers really fast.  I dare anyone to look at those screens and say that the graphics are dated or equal eq1, sb etc....simply amazing.
May not be AoC...but if you support WAR which is the same style as WoW in 2003, then guess what...you are self-owning yourself. 

 

Isn't it facinating how the 4 year old Darkfall screens look 100X better than the recently released video?

You guys fall for anything.

cukimunga

Well if  good gameplay = running around like your on crack and clicking the mouse button then I must be missing something. I played DDO and you swung with clicking the mouse button and It got pretty boring after awhile not to mention it made my finger tired after a while.They did add on that you could just hold the mouse button in to swing. Id rather just have auto attack and press keys or click on my abilities.  I really don't like FPS all that much and if DF has FPS type combat i'll pass on that.

m0j0mann

Originally posted by Netzoko


I have to laugh at the above responses, they completely prove my point: You have NO evidence of any gameplay besides an animated movie and walls of text. Just because they threw together a 3D animation of some boats and buildings does NOT prove that this game is anything remotely close to what it claims.


Let me give you a lesson: Cinematics =/= Gameplay. Go watch ANY trailor for a game, it is nothing like the real thing. Until we see ACTUAL mechanics, Example: A fraps of someone actually -playing- the game, building a city, etc, this game is still nothing. Don't you guys wonder why all they have released are trailers and nothing real yet?
 

 

Maybe I didn't say it loud enough.

- FPS/Twitch based combat

- FFA PvP - PvP anywhere.

- Full loot PvP.

- No classes

 

Darkfall doesn't have to do much to deliver on those.

What do you want, a detailed video explanation of the exact dynamics of looting a player's corpse?

Oh right, I forgot, that's not what you want.

What you want is to troll the game you hate, and you can't think of anything more original than the old "vaporware" crap.

You should get with the times, most of your kind have moved on to trashing the graphics and community these days.