altho i dont care that much about graphics i must say they suck bigtime, worse then EQ1.. on the other hand i didnt expect top notch graphics from the small company thats making this mmo. and low graphics make it possible for big "epic" fights altho most DF fans would buy a topend pc if that was required to play the game.
altho u see a lot of elements in the trailers like naval fights all i saw was some clunky orcs/humans or w/e pounding eachother, u cant see how the skill system works ingame, also the spell animations were really unimpressive, even with that graphics engine u can create nice animations. and its cool u can destroy everything but the buildings simply vanish when they go down..
in trailers u dont see the real gameplay, its just a demonstration of the game, best is to wait for beta and some vids of testers before u actually can claim anything about this game. u can only judge the graphics from the trailer, id say they deffo need work but it aint that bad
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Full loot and open PvP - the two things that are the cornerstone of Darkfall's popularity - are NOT exactly amazing feats of programming. Any game can have them.
Are you seriously trying to claim that Aventurine lied about
1 - FPS combat?
2- Full loot?
3- Open PvP?
Oh wait, you're not trying to claim anything are you, you're just another troll.
I was just reading this www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sins-of-a-solar-empire-hits-500k-units-sold This an example of a game from a very small studio which in a way has redifined the genre and has had big success. I don't know why the nay-sayers find it so hard to give Aventurine the benefit of the doubt until release.
It's also an example of a game that was only in development for a little over 3 years, not 7+
After reading this thread I've decided not to return to the DF forums until 2009. The massive amount of blind faith in Adventurine is more then I can stand to keep reading through.
Roin, I completely agree with you.
Have a good rest of the year!
Better to flee than admit defeat! Good riddance and thank you for cleaning up our forums
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that. I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do. The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
Go back to your warhammer board because by your post history you are a WAR fan only. Stop trolling other game boards.
Lets turn the tables on you, several months ago I dont recall any Warhammer video showing all the features mythic was saying thats in WAR, only when the release date got closer did more videos come out and theres no differance with DF. Once a release date is set more videos will be released showing more gameplay features. So again stop trolling our boards, you are a fan of Warhammer. Great stay over there and enjoy your game, and we will enjoy ours.
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I plan on playing Darkfall when it comes out if it has what it promised 7 years ago. Unitl then, I'll play WAR.
What does me liking WAR have to do with Darkfall? Nothing, stop using post history to justify an invalid argument. I wasn't trolling, I honestly wanted to see your arguments on the gameplay examples DF has given because that 'gameplay' video let the audience down. But apparntly anything besides epic praise for DF is ingnored or spammed with cut-paste flames.
No. No one is puttin your opinion down because you are talking negatively about the game. It is because you make wild claims like the above quote with no substance or even give any room for the chance that you may be wrong and not know what the entire market audience thinks about this game.
The gameplay video dropped the jaws of many and others didnt like it, thats how it is.
However I can at least support my opinion that the video was well accepted by the community by pointing out the rapid increase in members on the main website and the numerous posts of once skeptics now turned into hopefulls.
But hey keep bumping this thread and trying to convince us you are right and we are wrong.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What am I trying to prove I'm right about? I asked the question, 'where is the gamplay?'
It isn't about liking the video or disliking it, it is about the content and what we learned from it. All I saw was simple combat and some walking around, not siege/boat/player city content, which I would have loved to see.
What am I trying to prove I'm right about? I asked the question, 'where is the gamplay?'
It isn't about liking the video or disliking it, it is about the content and what we learned from it. All I saw was simple combat and some walking around, not siege/boat/player city content, which I would have loved to see.
Oh come on...if you werent obviously reaching before, you sure are now.
You didnt see boat combat? lol did you even watch the video?
That was one of the few scenes where you actually DID see the combat from a first person perspective. Give it a rest.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
DF is comming regardless of how many times the trolls try to put it down. You forget that people have that whole free will thing and tend to make their own opinions.
I plan on playing Darkfall when it comes out if it has what it promised 7 years ago. Unitl then, I'll play WAR. What does me liking WAR have to do with Darkfall? Nothing, stop using post history to justify an invalid argument. I wasn't trolling, I honestly wanted to see your arguments on the gameplay examples DF has given because that 'gameplay' video let the audience down. But apparntly anything besides epic praise for DF is ingnored or spammed with cut-paste flames.
My argument is this: It is still to early in development for us to get the advanced videos showing the UI and the advanced gameplay features. No other game comes to mind that has shown all this without its release date set and approaching.
Lets get away from DF for 1 sec. Aion which is supposidly highly polished and could be released today hasnt shown any advance gameplay features in any of their videos either.
So again your not getting your advanced gameplay videos until a month or 2 before release. All MMO's are like this not just DF. However when a release date is set, and its within a month and if there are no major videos showing UI and advanced gameplay, then you have a extremly valid argument, and I would be very cautious about this game as that would be pretty shaddy. As it stands now no release date is set so it is normal to not get the videos you seek, as for now the videos are aimed at hyping the game, and not showing advanced features.
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I plan on playing Darkfall when it comes out if it has what it promised 7 years ago. Unitl then, I'll play WAR. What does me liking WAR have to do with Darkfall? Nothing, stop using post history to justify an invalid argument. I wasn't trolling, I honestly wanted to see your arguments on the gameplay examples DF has given because that 'gameplay' video let the audience down. But apparntly anything besides epic praise for DF is ingnored or spammed with cut-paste flames.
My argument is this: It is still to early in development for us to get the advanced videos showing the UI and the advanced gameplay features. No other game comes to mind that has shown all this without its release date set and approaching.
Lets get away from DF for 1 sec. Aion which is supposidly highly polished and could be released today hasnt shown any advance gameplay features in any of their videos either.
So again your not getting your advanced gameplay videos until a month or 2 before release. All MMO's are like this not just DF. However when a release date is set, and its within a month and if there are no major videos showing UI and advanced gameplay, then you have a extremly valid argument, and I would be very cautious about this game as that would be pretty shaddy. As it stands now no release date is set so it is normal to not get the videos you seek, as for now the videos are aimed at hyping the game, and not showing advanced features.
Actually I have to disagree on a number of points with both of you here...
1. For a game that's been in internal beta for this long, and is aiming for a release within the next 3 1/2 to 4 months, it shouldn't be all that uncommon to see video and screens of the GUI. There actually are several instances in the clip that illustrate the GUI from a player's perspective as well as several screenshots, but it's hard to see because the developers have opted for a very small and unintrusive interface. It seems to be little more than a crosshair and a health bar most of the time.
2. I disagree that the video was designed to generate hype. I believe it was, in fact, intended to highlight game features. Avatar control was simply not one of the features that they were highlighting... which makes perfect sense when you consider that most players probably already know what it feels like to play a FPS style game. The features the video was designed to illustrate were the naval battles (ship to ship, ship to shore, and boarding), the city construction and siege system (both the destruction and construction of a keep were featured as a large part of the video's climax), and the mounted combat.
I, too, would like to have seen more, but the video was not intended to be comprehensive, nor was more necessairly promised. I'm satisfied that the devs chose to illustrate some of the more difficult of their proposed features to impliment. Given the remaining nature of their feature list, the only thing I'm still questioning with any concern is the much touted PvE AI. I'd like to get the impressions of someone who's played against these bots and I'd like to see some more examples of the AI in action first hand.
That being said, I'd also like to point out that the graphics aren't all that bad. It looks no worse than the way SWG, WoW, or even AoC plays on my machine. In order to enter environments as heavily populated and active as the ones shown, I'd have to trim the graphics so low on those graphically beautiful games that they, too, seem like dated software. Judging from the screen shots I've seen, I have more concern with the art direction than with the actual graphics... Some of those suits of armor would still look silly even if they were rendered in photo realistic quality.
Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
Just because somone doesn't agrees with you doesn't make them a troll. Nobody is desperate to bring the game down, you're the one with the tin-foil hat thinking every poster who isn't in awe of the trailer is a conspirator against the game.
Stop posting the same old screen shots for every response, you're spamming. If you have something intellectual to say, I'm happy to debate with you.
As I said before, the graphics are fine. This thread is about gameplay.
Actually I have to disagree on a number of points with both of you here... 1. For a game that's been in internal beta for this long, and is aiming for a release within the next 3 1/2 to 4 months, it shouldn't be all that uncommon to see video and screens of the GUI. There actually are several instances in the clip that illustrate the GUI from a player's perspective as well as several screenshots, but it's hard to see because the developers have opted for a very small and unintrusive interface. It seems to be little more than a crosshair and a health bar most of the time. 2. I disagree that the video was designed to generate hype. I believe it was, in fact, intended to highlight game features. Avatar control was simply not one of the features that they were highlighting... which makes perfect sense when you consider that most players probably already know what it feels like to play a FPS style game. The features the video was designed to illustrate were the naval battles (ship to ship, ship to shore, and boarding), the city construction and siege system (both the destruction and construction of a keep were featured as a large part of the video's climax), and the mounted combat. I, too, would like to have seen more, but the video was not intended to be comprehensive, nor was more necessairly promised. I'm satisfied that the devs chose to illustrate some of the more difficult of their proposed features to impliment. Given the remaining nature of their feature list, the only thing I'm still questioning with any concern is the much touted PvE AI. I'd like to get the impressions of someone who's played against these bots and I'd like to see some more examples of the AI in action first hand. That being said, I'd also like to point out that the graphics aren't all that bad. It looks no worse than the way SWG, WoW, or even AoC plays on my machine. In order to enter environments as heavily populated and active as the ones shown, I'd have to trim the graphics so low on those graphically beautiful games that they, too, seem like dated software. Judging from the screen shots I've seen, I have more concern with the art direction than with the actual graphics... Some of those suits of armor would still look silly even if they were rendered in photo realistic quality.
well I disagree on both 1 and 2 of your points.
1: Its too much assumption to think that the game is aimed to be released in 3-4 months when they have not set a date. Hell its a MMO we may not see it for another 6-8 months. You never know. So when they set a date that will give us a good guessing point then. For the ones that are not on the Darkfall team which ill venture a guess that is 100% of us, its like guessing the lottery numbers. We have no clue when it will be out.
2: Well if your right here then sadly the OP is right, but I still think your both wrong. The video we got is more for the media/hype/teaser aspect and not for detailed gameplay/features. Its consitant with all other MMO videos that do not have a release date.
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Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
Just because somone doesn't agrees with you doesn't make them a troll. Nobody is desperate to bring the game down, you're the one with the tin-foil hat thinking every poster who isn't in awe of the trailer is a conspirator against the game.
Stop posting the same old screen shots for every response, you're spamming. If you have something intellectual to say, I'm happy to debate with you.
As I said before, the graphics are fine. This thread is about gameplay.
Im sorry but what is wrong with you? You claim you want to have a intellectual discussion yet you dont even read posts before you hop on your high horse?
Let me spell it out for you...In the above quotes....
1)Someone said the graphics were like the 1990s Wolfenstein game
2) Someone responded by calling them a troll, which they basically by definition are, and supplied screenshots of wolfenstein and DF. The thread may be about gameplay, but this isnt only your thread. Other side topics will come up.
3)You then attacked Originalegg for calling people trolls who have a different opinion.
Sorry but calling DF's graphics equivalent to Wolfenstein in the 90s is factually wrong, it is not a discussion of opinion.
This isnt the first time you have gone off like this and shown your intentions. The world doesnt revolve around you and there was nothing wrong with the above quotations besides you attacking a fan and supporting an obvious troll.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
The graphics look like they're somewhere between FFXI and AoC to me. What's wrong with you people, does every MMO need to be using the Crytek engine to be good these days?
Consider large-scale battles, as well. They will be impossible with super graphics
As for gameplay, lol. You think they're lying abotu their features? Ship combat and sieges are in the vid, and those are much more complicated to make than the other, more important features of Darkfall, like full loot, etc.
Person 1: "Lol, that trailor is epic lame, the gfx are so clunky. Vaporware ftl" Person 2: "Pfft, carebear, graphics arn't everything, us hardcore PvPers are about gameplay"
This is the basic content of EVERY DF post in existence. So let me ask you this, where is the gameplay?
I don't see any besides a huge wall of text telling us how epic all these features and systems are, but where is the proof? You keep justifying the joke of a trailor as "Gameplay > Graphics" yet Darkfall has NEITHER. Where are some pics of the UI? An actual fight that isn't poorly made cinimiatics? I want DF to work as much as the next guy, but you guys are being overconfident and almost naive. This game has yet to present anything.
I am tired of every (former) vapour-screamer (now converted to BAD GFX! NO GAMEPLAY-screamer) asking where the UI is..
You are (sadly enough) so wow'ified that you cannot even phatom a mmo without 8 hotbars, healthbars and floating texts.
Combat in DFO (hence the UI) will be more of a FPS style not the wow-bash-the-button style.
In the video we see the UI-several times, and it is very clean and nice, no clutter to take focus off the game-world. Take the shot of the bowman in the tree, you clearly see the cors-hair and the bar indicating how taught the bow-string is.
My guess (yes guess) is that the UI will change dramatically depending on what you are doing, when fireing the bow you see the corse-hair and the power-bar, when fireing-up a spell it is something different, when using melee I would dair to guess there is no UI (appart from the corse-hair) at all.
go back to bed!
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Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
DF is comming regardless of how many times the trolls try to put it down. You forget that people have that whole free will thing and tend to make their own opinions.
really who is a troll here, its pretty obvious to me that the DF screenshot is not ingame, the vid graphics were MUCH worse. tbh ive played EQ1 and that looks better
im not saying DF sucks cause the graphics suck but you are just fooling yourself with those screenshots
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Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
DF is comming regardless of how many times the trolls try to put it down. You forget that people have that whole free will thing and tend to make their own opinions.
really who is a troll here, its pretty obvious to me that the DF screenshot is not ingame, the vid graphics were MUCH worse. tbh ive played EQ1 and that looks better
im not saying DF sucks cause the graphics suck but you are just fooling yourself with those screenshots
actully yea that is in game the vid gfx where on apiece of crap pc running medium low settings
from what i understand the settings have huge quality diffrences.
yet u are not sure of it, "low/medium settings" is the only excuse u have while it is only rumored being that. the diff between medium and high settings is just too huge and you are fooling yourself yet again
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yet u are not sure of it, "low/medium settings" is the only excuse u have while it is only rumored being that. the diff between medium and high settings is just too huge and you are fooling yourself yet again
it isnt a rumor it was said in irc it was all mostly medium settings.
by brannoc and the devs
actully in a dev update tasos said the settings have huge diffrences
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*The typical reaction to the screenshots has been for people to wonder what kind of beast they're going to need to play the game. It's not like that at all. Everything in Darkfall has been optimized for speed since it has been made for massive warfare. To give you an idea, you could get good gameplay displaying graphics like our latest screenshots using an average - above average system and a Geforce 6600 graphics card. The graphics are very scalable, with the difference that you won't look at the screenshot graphics, and your own scaled-down graphics will look like crap in comparison*
yet u are not sure of it, "low/medium settings" is the only excuse u have while it is only rumored being that. the diff between medium and high settings is just too huge and you are fooling yourself yet again
another guy trying to pull the whole eq1 comparison bs....sorry thats played out at this point.
Search for many threads where you see comparisons of all the current gen games and youll find df somewhere between lotro and aoc...and eq1 we have seen the comparisons and you are basically admitting you are a troll by saying that.
seriously the graphics are better than ok, they are good. stop trying to convince us that the screenshots (you do know what a screen shot is right?) is not of in game footage or that the video was made using some other engine etc etc....no one is listening and its getting old.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Look, if you people don't want to play the game, referring to the OP, then don't. Being doubtful and not wanting to play; there's a difference. The graphics are fine, the gameplay has been shown, we have seen plenty of screenshots of the UI. If you coutn an overal 15 seconds of UI "plenty" then sure. We will all know soon enough if the game is real, what it offers, and if it is worth playing. It isn't any more difficult than that. Proof is always nice. Quit trying to get attention. Some of us are capable of making you look silly in any debate you offer. Personal attack.
Screenshots....he wasnt refering to the video. Funny how some people seem to already have what they want to say in response to someone before they even read what they wrote. That or they just have a list of comments that no one will convince them may be wrong.
To be clear...he said SCREENSHOTS of the UI....and not refering to the 15 seconds of the video you mentio. I should quit my job, there is a small fortune to be made in the Tinfoil Hat industry it seems.
Also Bren made some good points mike that you may want to read.
I suppose I misread; although it's nice to know misreading something can quickly turn into personal attacks. It seems like I've made enemies....it's going to be an interesting couple of months.
But still, there isn't enough of the UI for me. I don't want screenshots, I want to see it in action. UI screens don't really show the gameplay.
I just love how players just look at the DF video and see the best gameplay ever...I suppose I just don't realy see great gameplay in the video (not saying DF doesn't have great gameplay, I just didn't get that vibe forkm the video).
Then again, I'm sure someone will still end up attacking me.
So you are actually saying that UI = Gameplay? What you seem not to grasp (look at the horrific screens of UI from other games above us in post history) is that DFO will NOT have 8 hotbars and floating text. It is as simple as that.
A simple corse-hair when in melee combat, a corse-hair and a "bow-power-bar" whey you hav braught up your bow. It's really this simple.
And you continously state that there where no gameplay in that video, Sir it was ONLY gameplay in that video, albeit abit heavy on the PvP side, but hey! It's totaly up to Aventurine to choose what to show/not to show.
You saw nothing that looked like:
-Manual Aiming
-City building
-Sieging
-Large scale battle
-Naval combat
-Mounted combat
In that video did you?
And any defence about personal attacks from this post is moot, because SIR there are none.
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What am I trying to prove I'm right about? I asked the question, 'where is the gamplay?'
It isn't about liking the video or disliking it, it is about the content and what we learned from it. All I saw was simple combat and some walking around, not siege/boat/player city content, which I would have loved to see.
I am starting to belive that OP is so completely ignorant that he has actually only seen PART 1 of the 6 utube movies..
May I suggest that you go and download the ENTIRE game-trailer here:
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altho i dont care that much about graphics i must say they suck bigtime, worse then EQ1.. on the other hand i didnt expect top notch graphics from the small company thats making this mmo. and low graphics make it possible for big "epic" fights altho most DF fans would buy a topend pc if that was required to play the game.
altho u see a lot of elements in the trailers like naval fights all i saw was some clunky orcs/humans or w/e pounding eachother, u cant see how the skill system works ingame, also the spell animations were really unimpressive, even with that graphics engine u can create nice animations. and its cool u can destroy everything but the buildings simply vanish when they go down..
in trailers u dont see the real gameplay, its just a demonstration of the game, best is to wait for beta and some vids of testers before u actually can claim anything about this game. u can only judge the graphics from the trailer, id say they deffo need work but it aint that bad
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Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
Full loot and open PvP - the two things that are the cornerstone of Darkfall's popularity - are NOT exactly amazing feats of programming. Any game can have them.
Are you seriously trying to claim that Aventurine lied about
1 - FPS combat?
2- Full loot?
3- Open PvP?
Oh wait, you're not trying to claim anything are you, you're just another troll.
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Darkfall wins. Vaportrolls lose.
It's also an example of a game that was only in development for a little over 3 years, not 7+
After reading this thread I've decided not to return to the DF forums until 2009. The massive amount of blind faith in Adventurine is more then I can stand to keep reading through.
Roin, I completely agree with you.
Have a good rest of the year!
Better to flee than admit defeat! Good riddance and thank you for cleaning up our forums
Go back to your warhammer board because by your post history you are a WAR fan only. Stop trolling other game boards.
Lets turn the tables on you, several months ago I dont recall any Warhammer video showing all the features mythic was saying thats in WAR, only when the release date got closer did more videos come out and theres no differance with DF. Once a release date is set more videos will be released showing more gameplay features. So again stop trolling our boards, you are a fan of Warhammer. Great stay over there and enjoy your game, and we will enjoy ours.
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Now Playing: N/A
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Favorite MMO: FFXI
I plan on playing Darkfall when it comes out if it has what it promised 7 years ago. Unitl then, I'll play WAR.
What does me liking WAR have to do with Darkfall? Nothing, stop using post history to justify an invalid argument. I wasn't trolling, I honestly wanted to see your arguments on the gameplay examples DF has given because that 'gameplay' video let the audience down. But apparntly anything besides epic praise for DF is ingnored or spammed with cut-paste flames.
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No. No one is puttin your opinion down because you are talking negatively about the game. It is because you make wild claims like the above quote with no substance or even give any room for the chance that you may be wrong and not know what the entire market audience thinks about this game.
The gameplay video dropped the jaws of many and others didnt like it, thats how it is.
However I can at least support my opinion that the video was well accepted by the community by pointing out the rapid increase in members on the main website and the numerous posts of once skeptics now turned into hopefulls.
But hey keep bumping this thread and trying to convince us you are right and we are wrong.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What am I trying to prove I'm right about? I asked the question, 'where is the gamplay?'
It isn't about liking the video or disliking it, it is about the content and what we learned from it. All I saw was simple combat and some walking around, not siege/boat/player city content, which I would have loved to see.
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Oh come on...if you werent obviously reaching before, you sure are now.
You didnt see boat combat? lol did you even watch the video?
That was one of the few scenes where you actually DID see the combat from a first person perspective. Give it a rest.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Hmm funny you just posted in the other thread that you are in agreement that the game is vaporware....
This op gets more confusing every second!
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Those graphics reminded me of Wolfenstien, and not the most recent one either. I'm talking old Wolfenstein 90's graphics. This looks like crap. I'm sorry, but anyone that says graphics don't matter at all is lying. Gameplay is #1, but you can't have complete turd for your graphics and still expect that nobody will care.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
DF is comming regardless of how many times the trolls try to put it down. You forget that people have that whole free will thing and tend to make their own opinions.
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My argument is this: It is still to early in development for us to get the advanced videos showing the UI and the advanced gameplay features. No other game comes to mind that has shown all this without its release date set and approaching.
Lets get away from DF for 1 sec. Aion which is supposidly highly polished and could be released today hasnt shown any advance gameplay features in any of their videos either.
So again your not getting your advanced gameplay videos until a month or 2 before release. All MMO's are like this not just DF. However when a release date is set, and its within a month and if there are no major videos showing UI and advanced gameplay, then you have a extremly valid argument, and I would be very cautious about this game as that would be pretty shaddy. As it stands now no release date is set so it is normal to not get the videos you seek, as for now the videos are aimed at hyping the game, and not showing advanced features.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
My argument is this: It is still to early in development for us to get the advanced videos showing the UI and the advanced gameplay features. No other game comes to mind that has shown all this without its release date set and approaching.
Lets get away from DF for 1 sec. Aion which is supposidly highly polished and could be released today hasnt shown any advance gameplay features in any of their videos either.
So again your not getting your advanced gameplay videos until a month or 2 before release. All MMO's are like this not just DF. However when a release date is set, and its within a month and if there are no major videos showing UI and advanced gameplay, then you have a extremly valid argument, and I would be very cautious about this game as that would be pretty shaddy. As it stands now no release date is set so it is normal to not get the videos you seek, as for now the videos are aimed at hyping the game, and not showing advanced features.
Actually I have to disagree on a number of points with both of you here...
1. For a game that's been in internal beta for this long, and is aiming for a release within the next 3 1/2 to 4 months, it shouldn't be all that uncommon to see video and screens of the GUI. There actually are several instances in the clip that illustrate the GUI from a player's perspective as well as several screenshots, but it's hard to see because the developers have opted for a very small and unintrusive interface. It seems to be little more than a crosshair and a health bar most of the time.
2. I disagree that the video was designed to generate hype. I believe it was, in fact, intended to highlight game features. Avatar control was simply not one of the features that they were highlighting... which makes perfect sense when you consider that most players probably already know what it feels like to play a FPS style game. The features the video was designed to illustrate were the naval battles (ship to ship, ship to shore, and boarding), the city construction and siege system (both the destruction and construction of a keep were featured as a large part of the video's climax), and the mounted combat.
I, too, would like to have seen more, but the video was not intended to be comprehensive, nor was more necessairly promised. I'm satisfied that the devs chose to illustrate some of the more difficult of their proposed features to impliment. Given the remaining nature of their feature list, the only thing I'm still questioning with any concern is the much touted PvE AI. I'd like to get the impressions of someone who's played against these bots and I'd like to see some more examples of the AI in action first hand.
That being said, I'd also like to point out that the graphics aren't all that bad. It looks no worse than the way SWG, WoW, or even AoC plays on my machine. In order to enter environments as heavily populated and active as the ones shown, I'd have to trim the graphics so low on those graphically beautiful games that they, too, seem like dated software. Judging from the screen shots I've seen, I have more concern with the art direction than with the actual graphics... Some of those suits of armor would still look silly even if they were rendered in photo realistic quality.
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
Just because somone doesn't agrees with you doesn't make them a troll. Nobody is desperate to bring the game down, you're the one with the tin-foil hat thinking every poster who isn't in awe of the trailer is a conspirator against the game.
Stop posting the same old screen shots for every response, you're spamming. If you have something intellectual to say, I'm happy to debate with you.
As I said before, the graphics are fine. This thread is about gameplay.
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well I disagree on both 1 and 2 of your points.
1: Its too much assumption to think that the game is aimed to be released in 3-4 months when they have not set a date. Hell its a MMO we may not see it for another 6-8 months. You never know. So when they set a date that will give us a good guessing point then. For the ones that are not on the Darkfall team which ill venture a guess that is 100% of us, its like guessing the lottery numbers. We have no clue when it will be out.
2: Well if your right here then sadly the OP is right, but I still think your both wrong. The video we got is more for the media/hype/teaser aspect and not for detailed gameplay/features. Its consitant with all other MMO videos that do not have a release date.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
Just because somone doesn't agrees with you doesn't make them a troll. Nobody is desperate to bring the game down, you're the one with the tin-foil hat thinking every poster who isn't in awe of the trailer is a conspirator against the game.
Stop posting the same old screen shots for every response, you're spamming. If you have something intellectual to say, I'm happy to debate with you.
As I said before, the graphics are fine. This thread is about gameplay.
Im sorry but what is wrong with you? You claim you want to have a intellectual discussion yet you dont even read posts before you hop on your high horse?
Let me spell it out for you...In the above quotes....
1)Someone said the graphics were like the 1990s Wolfenstein game
2) Someone responded by calling them a troll, which they basically by definition are, and supplied screenshots of wolfenstein and DF. The thread may be about gameplay, but this isnt only your thread. Other side topics will come up.
3)You then attacked Originalegg for calling people trolls who have a different opinion.
Sorry but calling DF's graphics equivalent to Wolfenstein in the 90s is factually wrong, it is not a discussion of opinion.
This isnt the first time you have gone off like this and shown your intentions. The world doesnt revolve around you and there was nothing wrong with the above quotations besides you attacking a fan and supporting an obvious troll.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
The graphics look like they're somewhere between FFXI and AoC to me. What's wrong with you people, does every MMO need to be using the Crytek engine to be good these days?
Consider large-scale battles, as well. They will be impossible with super graphics
As for gameplay, lol. You think they're lying abotu their features? Ship combat and sieges are in the vid, and those are much more complicated to make than the other, more important features of Darkfall, like full loot, etc.
I am tired of every (former) vapour-screamer (now converted to BAD GFX! NO GAMEPLAY-screamer) asking where the UI is..
You are (sadly enough) so wow'ified that you cannot even phatom a mmo without 8 hotbars, healthbars and floating texts.
Combat in DFO (hence the UI) will be more of a FPS style not the wow-bash-the-button style.
In the video we see the UI-several times, and it is very clean and nice, no clutter to take focus off the game-world. Take the shot of the bowman in the tree, you clearly see the cors-hair and the bar indicating how taught the bow-string is.
My guess (yes guess) is that the UI will change dramatically depending on what you are doing, when fireing the bow you see the corse-hair and the power-bar, when fireing-up a spell it is something different, when using melee I would dair to guess there is no UI (appart from the corse-hair) at all.
go back to bed!
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The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
DF is comming regardless of how many times the trolls try to put it down. You forget that people have that whole free will thing and tend to make their own opinions.
really who is a troll here, its pretty obvious to me that the DF screenshot is not ingame, the vid graphics were MUCH worse. tbh ive played EQ1 and that looks better
im not saying DF sucks cause the graphics suck but you are just fooling yourself with those screenshots
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About to play: Lord of the Rings Online
Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
The trolls are really getting more desperate and obvious arent they......
DF is comming regardless of how many times the trolls try to put it down. You forget that people have that whole free will thing and tend to make their own opinions.
really who is a troll here, its pretty obvious to me that the DF screenshot is not ingame, the vid graphics were MUCH worse. tbh ive played EQ1 and that looks better
im not saying DF sucks cause the graphics suck but you are just fooling yourself with those screenshots
actully yea that is in game the vid gfx where on apiece of crap pc running medium low settings
from what i understand the settings have huge quality diffrences.
you know you should not state false info there
http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/clan_siege_04 2007
http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/21_G 2008 diffrent settings
yet u are not sure of it, "low/medium settings" is the only excuse u have while it is only rumored being that. the diff between medium and high settings is just too huge and you are fooling yourself yet again
MMOs currently playing: -
About to play: Lord of the Rings Online
Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
it isnt a rumor it was said in irc it was all mostly medium settings.
by brannoc and the devs
actully in a dev update tasos said the settings have huge diffrences
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*The typical reaction to the screenshots has been for people to wonder what kind of beast they're going to need to play the game. It's not like that at all. Everything in Darkfall has been optimized for speed since it has been made for massive warfare. To give you an idea, you could get good gameplay displaying graphics like our latest screenshots using an average - above average system and a Geforce 6600 graphics card. The graphics are very scalable, with the difference that you won't look at the screenshot graphics, and your own scaled-down graphics will look like crap in comparison*
another guy trying to pull the whole eq1 comparison bs....sorry thats played out at this point.
Search for many threads where you see comparisons of all the current gen games and youll find df somewhere between lotro and aoc...and eq1 we have seen the comparisons and you are basically admitting you are a troll by saying that.
seriously the graphics are better than ok, they are good. stop trying to convince us that the screenshots (you do know what a screen shot is right?) is not of in game footage or that the video was made using some other engine etc etc....no one is listening and its getting old.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Screenshots....he wasnt refering to the video. Funny how some people seem to already have what they want to say in response to someone before they even read what they wrote. That or they just have a list of comments that no one will convince them may be wrong.
To be clear...he said SCREENSHOTS of the UI....and not refering to the 15 seconds of the video you mentio. I should quit my job, there is a small fortune to be made in the Tinfoil Hat industry it seems.
Also Bren made some good points mike that you may want to read.
I suppose I misread; although it's nice to know misreading something can quickly turn into personal attacks. It seems like I've made enemies....it's going to be an interesting couple of months.
But still, there isn't enough of the UI for me. I don't want screenshots, I want to see it in action. UI screens don't really show the gameplay.
I just love how players just look at the DF video and see the best gameplay ever...I suppose I just don't realy see great gameplay in the video (not saying DF doesn't have great gameplay, I just didn't get that vibe forkm the video).
Then again, I'm sure someone will still end up attacking me.
So you are actually saying that UI = Gameplay? What you seem not to grasp (look at the horrific screens of UI from other games above us in post history) is that DFO will NOT have 8 hotbars and floating text. It is as simple as that.
A simple corse-hair when in melee combat, a corse-hair and a "bow-power-bar" whey you hav braught up your bow. It's really this simple.
And you continously state that there where no gameplay in that video, Sir it was ONLY gameplay in that video, albeit abit heavy on the PvP side, but hey! It's totaly up to Aventurine to choose what to show/not to show.
You saw nothing that looked like:
-Manual Aiming
-City building
-Sieging
-Large scale battle
-Naval combat
-Mounted combat
In that video did you?
And any defence about personal attacks from this post is moot, because SIR there are none.
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I am starting to belive that OP is so completely ignorant that he has actually only seen PART 1 of the 6 utube movies..
May I suggest that you go and download the ENTIRE game-trailer here:
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=64217
It most assuredly features SIEGE/BOAT/PLAYER CITY content. Now go love it!
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I have nothing clever to say.