So we get another PvE experts opinion about a PvP MMO, he/she didnt seemed to understand anything about. Its if i would watch a PvE video of example WAR, and complaining that it dpesnt look anything like the cinematic trailer! Or watching a combat video and saying the crosshair is missing, or they have forgot to remove the weird thig under the character (target circle). If i dont understand more, maybe i should read up some first.....otherwise i would look as a total idiote on the example WAR forum!
Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking. DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.
The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics. His complaint is where is the gameplay. Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that. Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's. Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.
Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features. Which to my knowledge they haven't. The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat. This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat. The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.
Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat. The video just reinforced it. What wasn't shown though is the other stuff.
How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.
How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting? Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches? Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?
How does skill progress worked? Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?
How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls? How much space are you allowed to use? Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?
Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others. The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned. If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG. That would have been the best video ever to represent it. However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff. Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features. Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat. Graphics, Animations aside. They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video. The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that). Is what made it unimpressive.
I agree. The video left much to be desired. I wish they would have announced another video rather than leave everyone hanging, thinking that perhaps PvP was all there was to DF. Hopefully we'll see much more in the future.
Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card.
You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment. And I pointed out that you were wrong". I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything. Calm down.
I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be. If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on.
Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to?
At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever.
Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.
So we get another PvE experts opinion about a PvP MMO, he/she didnt seemed to understand anything about. Its if i would watch a PvE video of example WAR, and complaining that it dpesnt look anything like the cinematic trailer! Or watching a combat video and saying the crosshair is missing, or they have forgot to remove the weird thig under the character (target circle). If i dont understand more, maybe i should read up some first.....otherwise i would look as a total idiote on the example WAR forum!
Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking. DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.
The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics. His complaint is where is the gameplay. Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that. Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's. Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.
Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features. Which to my knowledge they haven't. The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat. This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat. The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.
Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat. The video just reinforced it. What wasn't shown though is the other stuff.
How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.
How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting? Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches? Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?
How does skill progress worked? Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?
How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls? How much space are you allowed to use? Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?
Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others. The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned. If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG. That would have been the best video ever to represent it. However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff. Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features. Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat. Graphics, Animations aside. They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video. The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that). Is what made it unimpressive.
I agree. The video left much to be desired. I wish they would have announced another video rather than leave everyone hanging, thinking that perhaps PvP was all there was to DF. Hopefully we'll see much more in the future.
I doubt we'll see anything from Aventurine (i.e. podcasts showing that the features are fun and functional). However, I'll wait until people get in the Beta (if it's for real this time) and can make videos. There's always people who will do nice, long ones showing their favorite features while explaining things. If Aventurine won't do it that's all skeptics will have to judge whether it's worth it or not.
Look, if you people don't want to play the game, referring to the OP, then don't. Being doubtful and not wanting to play; there's a difference. The graphics are fine, the gameplay has been shown, we have seen plenty of screenshots of the UI. If you coutn an overal 15 seconds of UI "plenty" then sure. We will all know soon enough if the game is real, what it offers, and if it is worth playing. It isn't any more difficult than that. Proof is always nice. Quit trying to get attention. Some of us are capable of making you look silly in any debate you offer. Personal attack.
Screenshots....he wasnt refering to the video. Funny how some people seem to already have what they want to say in response to someone before they even read what they wrote. That or they just have a list of comments that no one will convince them may be wrong.
To be clear...he said SCREENSHOTS of the UI....and not refering to the 15 seconds of the video you mentio. I should quit my job, there is a small fortune to be made in the Tinfoil Hat industry it seems.
Also Bren made some good points mike that you may want to read.
I suppose I misread; although it's nice to know misreading something can quickly turn into personal attacks. It seems like I've made enemies....it's going to be an interesting couple of months.
But still, there isn't enough of the UI for me. I don't want screenshots, I want to see it in action. UI screens don't really show the gameplay.
I just love how players just look at the DF video and see the best gameplay ever...I suppose I just don't realy see great gameplay in the video (not saying DF doesn't have great gameplay, I just didn't get that vibe forkm the video).
Then again, I'm sure someone will still end up attacking me.
Man, you're such a softy...
Come up to the DF forums. That'll toughen you up a notch or two. ;D
Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card. You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment. And I pointed out that you were wrong". I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything. Calm down. I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be. If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on. Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to? At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever. Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.
Because forums are for both sides of the coin. Thus, leading to these types of flame wars. Please go to a fansite forum if you want to talk about the game itself (i.e. "Hey who else thinks the _______ feature is really cool?), rather than everything else about it. Two types of discussion; you can't have the kind you want on these forums, lol. No game can.
Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card. You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment. And I pointed out that you were wrong". I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything. Calm down. I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be. If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on. Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to? At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever. Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.
Because forums are for both sides of the coin. Thus, leading to these types of flame wars. Please go to a fansite forum if you want to talk about the game itself (i.e. "Hey who else thinks the _______ feature is really cool?), rather than everything else about it. Two types of discussion; you can't have the kind you want on these forums, lol. No game can.
yes but a lot of the time it isnt a discussion on the other end....its just "um the game isnt real" or "im not convinced its real based on the video"...and it repeats and repeats.
you dont feel the video proved the game was real? fine thats cool. but there is no reason to keep saying it in every thread.
and again...everyone who is saying they didnt see crafting, ui, etc etc...you werent suppose to. the video did what it was suppose to....show the situations you can have in Darkfall and just give the fans something to show the game is real and what it looks like.
if you need to see more detail of ingame footage to believe this game is real, that is perfectly fine. but it is straight up wrong to come into threads where people are discussing pve, pvp, or other aspects and say "um how can you discuss this when you dont know for sure it is in game because the video doesnt show it". No one else cares that it wasnt in the video because we dont need it to convince us to have a discussion about it.
Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card. I though I've been better over the last few months. I haven't thrown many personal attacks at all; unless someone pushes my buttons too much...If I began throwing countless personal attacks like yourself, you would be able to tell. You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment. And I pointed out that you were wrong". I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything. Calm down. I thought he was referring to the video...I said I had misread in my post, yet you tell em to read threads before I post, how ironic I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be. If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on. Because we like sharing our opinion. Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to? Well I didn't make the titles. At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever. I'm not bitter, I'm sharing my opinion. I'm not too bitter, unlike some people on these boards (both fans and haters alike). Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it. One things you fans just don't realize is that some of us skeptics want the game to turn out good. Please, Adventurine, prove me wrong! I would love playing an open PVP full loot game, sounds like fun. I win either way.
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I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway.
We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that.
I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do.
The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that. I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do. The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
Theirs? Theirs is it wasn't supposed to so STFU and wait for Beta when players will make their own vids showing them playing the game.
We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, They showed sieges...remember those siege engines comming up and destroyin the walls of the....player city... The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours? That it wasn't suppose to and never said it would. Hmmm my arguement is that netzoko didnt design his own MMO today showing how easy it is to create one. Oh he never said he was going to do that....oh well my arguement still stands.
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that. I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do. The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
Theirs? Theirs is it wasn't supposed to so STFU and wait for Beta when players will make their own vids showing them playing the game.
Pretty sure im in love with you. How does that make you feel?
If your answer is anything but wierd...well then I retract my previous statement.
And Bruticus is a skeptic of the game...he is just a rare breed of rational skeptics who knows how to organize thoughts that are reasonable.
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that. I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do. The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
Theirs? Theirs is it wasn't supposed to so STFU and wait for Beta when players will make their own vids showing them playing the game.
Pretty sure im in love with you. How does that make you feel?
If your answer is anything but wierd...well then I retract my previous statement.
And Bruticus is a skeptic of the game...he is just a rare breed of rational skeptics who knows how to organize thoughts that are reasonable.
LOL I know the fanboys better than the fanboys! Don't worry, I'm gone tomorrow.
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that. I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do. The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
What I saw was definitely player cities and sieging. There is not doubt abou that.
The footage you saw, for the last time, was in-game footage. They placed cameras in game, and recorded the action. What part about recorded in-game footage don't you understand?
Hey, if you're only argument is that the video didn't show off a lot of DF's key features, then there is no argument. We're all going to agree with you. But just because the video didn't display them doesn't mean they aren't there.
The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
Guess what Buddy?
Funcom released TONs of videos showing their "Key Features" in action ... and I think we all know how that turned out.
As for the "I'm not a Troll" ... The Title of this thread, the constant "Fanboy, fanboy, fanboy" crap you spew forth ... and you're seeming inability to listen to anything logical screams TROLL.
By the way, I'll be playing WAR ... but it isn't all candy and roses over there either.
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, Both were there. You could see player cities being formed up from the ground, and you saw walls being broken down by a Warhulk. I guess you're just blind.
And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that. Actually, as the developers said in the video, and as Brannoc said in IRC, yes that was in game footage. Every character there was played by a person, there was a free roaming camera capturing it as it went. This was also confirmed by those who went to Aventurine and played the game.
The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours? What features was it missing, tell me and maybe I'll agree with you. I'm no mindless fanboy, as I know how companies work. I also recognize that Aventurine is no average company. But I'm serious, I want you to say what the video was missing. So far the two things you claimed weren't in it were, and the assumption you made was wrong.
I was just reading this www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sins-of-a-solar-empire-hits-500k-units-sold This an example of a game from a very small studio which in a way has redifined the genre and has had big success. I don't know why the nay-sayers find it so hard to give Aventurine the benefit of the doubt until release.
It's also an example of a game that was only in development for a little over 3 years, not 7+
After reading this thread I've decided not to return to the DF forums until 2009. The massive amount of blind faith in Adventurine is more then I can stand to keep reading through.
Roin, I completely agree with you.
Have a good rest of the year!
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
What key features did you miss in the video?
I think you should at least be able to inform us WHAT you missed out on so we can discuss from there.
Did you really expect them to show us all aspects of the game? Have you seen the feature list of Darkfall? What they showed us is what they promised us before the video were released.
I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway. We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that.
It was in-game footage. You can even see the guys in 'camera-only mode' take damage during the siege. It's exactly how the game looks and plays.
The OP won't be satisfied with anything less than Warhammer-style total spoonfed walkthroughs.
Funny thing is, if World of Warhammer has spent their time and money on the game instead of podcasts, they wouldn't have had to cut 2/3rds of the final faction cities, and cut whole classes out of the game.
that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that.
This is FACTUALLY wrong.
OP i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt...but you obviously have it out for this game.
There were actual humans controlling every character you saw in the game. Fact.
No discussion. Fact.
The majority of the video was shot from a 3rd party perspective except for a few scenes that showed ui and first person view.
Again...this isnt up for debate...the video was made using in game footage and the avatars you saw were being controlled by actual humans. It was NOT someone sitting at a computer messing with the game engine making a movie.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
I was just reading this www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sins-of-a-solar-empire-hits-500k-units-sold This an example of a game from a very small studio which in a way has redifined the genre and has had big success. I don't know why the nay-sayers find it so hard to give Aventurine the benefit of the doubt until release.
It's also an example of a game that was only in development for a little over 3 years, not 7+
After reading this thread I've decided not to return to the DF forums until 2009. The massive amount of blind faith in Adventurine is more then I can stand to keep reading through.
Roin, I completely agree with you.
Have a good rest of the year!
I dont know about everyone else, but i would rather have blind faith then walk through life being so paranoid that I cant trust someone even a little bit. I mean that is really a scary way to live.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Once again, you don't get it. NONE of those things were in the video. All the video featured was some guys running around and you think that verifies every massive gameplay feature they claim to have?
Check out scenes with crosshairs, one in particular is the 1st person view of the mage shooting a spell.
For weeks we were promised a gameplay video. That is exactly what we got. We weren't promised a video that would show-case all features of darkfall. We weren't promised a crafting tutorial. We weren't promised a walk-through of the character creation process. We got EXACTLY what we were promised. Hey look at me!!!
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Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking. DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.
The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics. His complaint is where is the gameplay. Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that. Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's. Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.
Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features. Which to my knowledge they haven't. The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat. This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat. The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.
Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat. The video just reinforced it. What wasn't shown though is the other stuff.
How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.
How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting? Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches? Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?
How does skill progress worked? Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?
How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls? How much space are you allowed to use? Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?
Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others. The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned. If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG. That would have been the best video ever to represent it. However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff. Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features. Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat. Graphics, Animations aside. They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video. The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that). Is what made it unimpressive.
I agree. The video left much to be desired. I wish they would have announced another video rather than leave everyone hanging, thinking that perhaps PvP was all there was to DF. Hopefully we'll see much more in the future.
Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card.
You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment. And I pointed out that you were wrong". I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything. Calm down.
I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be. If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on.
Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to?
At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever.
Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.
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Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking. DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.
The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics. His complaint is where is the gameplay. Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that. Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's. Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.
Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features. Which to my knowledge they haven't. The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat. This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat. The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.
Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat. The video just reinforced it. What wasn't shown though is the other stuff.
How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.
How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting? Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches? Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?
How does skill progress worked? Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?
How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls? How much space are you allowed to use? Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?
Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others. The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned. If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG. That would have been the best video ever to represent it. However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff. Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features. Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat. Graphics, Animations aside. They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video. The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that). Is what made it unimpressive.
I agree. The video left much to be desired. I wish they would have announced another video rather than leave everyone hanging, thinking that perhaps PvP was all there was to DF. Hopefully we'll see much more in the future.
I doubt we'll see anything from Aventurine (i.e. podcasts showing that the features are fun and functional). However, I'll wait until people get in the Beta (if it's for real this time) and can make videos. There's always people who will do nice, long ones showing their favorite features while explaining things. If Aventurine won't do it that's all skeptics will have to judge whether it's worth it or not.
Screenshots....he wasnt refering to the video. Funny how some people seem to already have what they want to say in response to someone before they even read what they wrote. That or they just have a list of comments that no one will convince them may be wrong.
To be clear...he said SCREENSHOTS of the UI....and not refering to the 15 seconds of the video you mentio. I should quit my job, there is a small fortune to be made in the Tinfoil Hat industry it seems.
Also Bren made some good points mike that you may want to read.
I suppose I misread; although it's nice to know misreading something can quickly turn into personal attacks. It seems like I've made enemies....it's going to be an interesting couple of months.
But still, there isn't enough of the UI for me. I don't want screenshots, I want to see it in action. UI screens don't really show the gameplay.
I just love how players just look at the DF video and see the best gameplay ever...I suppose I just don't realy see great gameplay in the video (not saying DF doesn't have great gameplay, I just didn't get that vibe forkm the video).
Then again, I'm sure someone will still end up attacking me.
Man, you're such a softy...
Come up to the DF forums.
That'll toughen you up a notch or two. ;D
Because forums are for both sides of the coin. Thus, leading to these types of flame wars. Please go to a fansite forum if you want to talk about the game itself (i.e. "Hey who else thinks the _______ feature is really cool?), rather than everything else about it. Two types of discussion; you can't have the kind you want on these forums, lol. No game can.
Because forums are for both sides of the coin. Thus, leading to these types of flame wars. Please go to a fansite forum if you want to talk about the game itself (i.e. "Hey who else thinks the _______ feature is really cool?), rather than everything else about it. Two types of discussion; you can't have the kind you want on these forums, lol. No game can.
yes but a lot of the time it isnt a discussion on the other end....its just "um the game isnt real" or "im not convinced its real based on the video"...and it repeats and repeats.
you dont feel the video proved the game was real? fine thats cool. but there is no reason to keep saying it in every thread.
and again...everyone who is saying they didnt see crafting, ui, etc etc...you werent suppose to. the video did what it was suppose to....show the situations you can have in Darkfall and just give the fans something to show the game is real and what it looks like.
if you need to see more detail of ingame footage to believe this game is real, that is perfectly fine. but it is straight up wrong to come into threads where people are discussing pve, pvp, or other aspects and say "um how can you discuss this when you dont know for sure it is in game because the video doesnt show it". No one else cares that it wasnt in the video because we dont need it to convince us to have a discussion about it.
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I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway.
We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that.
I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do.
The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?
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Theirs? Theirs is it wasn't supposed to so STFU and wait for Beta when players will make their own vids showing them playing the game.
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Theirs? Theirs is it wasn't supposed to so STFU and wait for Beta when players will make their own vids showing them playing the game.
Pretty sure im in love with you. How does that make you feel?
If your answer is anything but wierd...well then I retract my previous statement.
And Bruticus is a skeptic of the game...he is just a rare breed of rational skeptics who knows how to organize thoughts that are reasonable.
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Theirs? Theirs is it wasn't supposed to so STFU and wait for Beta when players will make their own vids showing them playing the game.
Pretty sure im in love with you. How does that make you feel?
If your answer is anything but wierd...well then I retract my previous statement.
And Bruticus is a skeptic of the game...he is just a rare breed of rational skeptics who knows how to organize thoughts that are reasonable.
LOL I know the fanboys better than the fanboys! Don't worry, I'm gone tomorrow.
WAAAAAAAAAAGH!
What I saw was definitely player cities and sieging. There is not doubt abou that.
The footage you saw, for the last time, was in-game footage. They placed cameras in game, and recorded the action. What part about recorded in-game footage don't you understand?
Hey, if you're only argument is that the video didn't show off a lot of DF's key features, then there is no argument. We're all going to agree with you. But just because the video didn't display them doesn't mean they aren't there.
Guess what Buddy?
Funcom released TONs of videos showing their "Key Features" in action ... and I think we all know how that turned out.
As for the "I'm not a Troll" ... The Title of this thread, the constant "Fanboy, fanboy, fanboy" crap you spew forth ... and you're seeming inability to listen to anything logical screams TROLL.
By the way, I'll be playing WAR ... but it isn't all candy and roses over there either.
Guess what Buddy?
Funcom released TONs of videos showing their "Key Features" in action ... and I think we all know how that turned out.
Also, if you want to see a ton of stuff regarding DF, go here:
http://pc.ign.com/objects/016/016821_articles.html
You'll see quite a bit on questing, crafting, and PvE. Enjoy!
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It's also an example of a game that was only in development for a little over 3 years, not 7+
After reading this thread I've decided not to return to the DF forums until 2009. The massive amount of blind faith in Adventurine is more then I can stand to keep reading through.
Roin, I completely agree with you.
Have a good rest of the year!
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
What key features did you miss in the video?
I think you should at least be able to inform us WHAT you missed out on so we can discuss from there.
Did you really expect them to show us all aspects of the game? Have you seen the feature list of Darkfall? What they showed us is what they promised us before the video were released.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=63380
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game [/QUOTE]
This and nothing else were promised.
All features were never promised. Some wanted more features? Sure. But for myself and most others -what we saw was enough.
And dont you wanna find out anything about those features yourself? Dont you wanna explore? Learn the game by actually playing it?
If not then were definetly done discussing.
Have a nice one
It was in-game footage. You can even see the guys in 'camera-only mode' take damage during the siege. It's exactly how the game looks and plays.
The OP won't be satisfied with anything less than Warhammer-style total spoonfed walkthroughs.
Funny thing is, if World of Warhammer has spent their time and money on the game instead of podcasts, they wouldn't have had to cut 2/3rds of the final faction cities, and cut whole classes out of the game.
net that was fraps running
This is FACTUALLY wrong.
OP i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt...but you obviously have it out for this game.
There were actual humans controlling every character you saw in the game. Fact.
No discussion. Fact.
The majority of the video was shot from a 3rd party perspective except for a few scenes that showed ui and first person view.
Again...this isnt up for debate...the video was made using in game footage and the avatars you saw were being controlled by actual humans. It was NOT someone sitting at a computer messing with the game engine making a movie.
Fact.
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Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
It's also an example of a game that was only in development for a little over 3 years, not 7+
After reading this thread I've decided not to return to the DF forums until 2009. The massive amount of blind faith in Adventurine is more then I can stand to keep reading through.
Roin, I completely agree with you.
Have a good rest of the year!
I dont know about everyone else, but i would rather have blind faith then walk through life being so paranoid that I cant trust someone even a little bit. I mean that is really a scary way to live.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Check out scenes with crosshairs, one in particular is the 1st person view of the mage shooting a spell.
For weeks we were promised a gameplay video. That is exactly what we got. We weren't promised a video that would show-case all features of darkfall. We weren't promised a crafting tutorial. We weren't promised a walk-through of the character creation process. We got EXACTLY what we were promised. Hey look at me!!!