Fixed that for ya! Seriously dude you can spin and derail facts here and "predict" as much as you want..anybody with one eye and half a brain can head over to the official MO forums and take a look at what honesty and professionalism is. I really hoped that DF will be a great full-loot pvp sandbox but it is a damn MMO abomination. You can actually find useful and believable information on the MO website/forums and you get replies from devs! Now thats something you Tasos cultists are not used to..because "wannabe all-knowing god" never speaks hu? And LESS content then MO..sorry but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA! I had a funny day but this really tops it. DF has ZERO content. Yes ZERO NULL NADA except borked and stupid npc spawns and mindless gankzergs. The so called "crafting" is not worthy the name. PVP is just exploit/hack/gank. You are obviously blinded by DF fanatism and your priest Tasos. So following your logic all what MO needs to have on release is "working as intended" goblin spawns and bingo! more content! (yes i know there are more mobs then goblins but they all seem to be linked to the same idiotic "super" AI so who cares.)
Even the official DF forums are full with "i quit" posts and posts like "fix hacking", "fix mobs", "fix horrible grind","fix macroing", "fix something that should have been fixed on release...". I am not exagerating here...people are VERY pissed! Too bad such posts get deleted ASAP..they seem to have more forum mods then game devs! The only thing why people are still playing this game is full-loot..nothing else! And sadly it is the only "modern" (lmao) full-loot game out there at the moment..besides EVE (awesome game) of course but thats more for the space nerds. And dont you tell me otherwise i have seen and played this steaming pile of poop and luckily i did so at a friends place before spending money on it. i would almost go as far as to call it a freaking scam and two people i know already wiped it of their HDs in rage about the 50 bucks they lost on such shit...whats funny because they still have sucky games like WAR or AOC on their shelves but they swore never to touch DF again. Waiting almost ten years for THAT is a joke and i am more than happy to tell that to anyone.
Do you really believe all the crap you spin around here on these forums? Do you actually know how greek mentality works? Those morons (surely there are also smart greeks no offence) built a complete water recycling plant FOR MILLIONS right in front of Athens only to find out its design is utterly flawed and can never be put to work. Now they have a multimillion dollar ruin right in front of town and they noticed it is crap AFTER it was finished! Same mentality goes for DF (produced by a GREEK company)..."aah lets patch here a little and ooh now why not bork this for a change..! We worked on it for 10 years and its still in an almost beta state..doesnt matter we were drunk half of the time lolz! Gimps like javac will buy it anyways! Ah lookey here lets cut out all of this crap we posted on our website..its too much work for us right now lolz! What we have a website??? Since when???" I am not saying they are straight idiots..but they simply dont care dude! Geez really..if MO will be half as polished and finished as DF it will still be lightyears away in quality...just do us a favor and stay at DF...pay them like the good hardcore fanbot you are so they can laugh at you day and night.
Ah and here are all the core features people will get on the MO release. Dont try to spin it dude! It says basic and the devs confirmed that all the rest will be worked on and introduced later. See..no overhyped impossible super feature list here. And i am pretty much a skeptic when it comes to games because i suffered disasters like Dark&Light. You are very welcome btw to join the MO forums and post your garbage there..i can not wait until Mats or Denny (both devs) show up and curbstomp you while showing and linking you to a ton of proof that you are straight wrong. Those guys actually can show you some facts and debate with you..now go and teach that to grin-face Tasos. - The full Myrland continent
- At least 9 races, male and female
- Blood mix and character customization
- Main features of the skill system
- Full PvP, full loot
- Full melee and ranged combat
- Basic magic combat
- Mounts and mounted combat
- Basic GUI for the crafting system
- Resource gathering
- Basic Guild mechanics
- Basic player housing
- Basic NPC mobs and wildlife
- Hidden/secret features Okay...NOW you replace the word Basic with "still in concept","not even tested in beta!", "maybe", "Hu? WAT?" or "Mmmh nope!" and put "half of" or "No" in front of the rest. There you go...Darkfall! Yes maybe i am a little over the line with that comparison but as i already said everybody with half a brain who played this POS MMO pretender will get the point. Oh and you are on block now..i am sick of your constant attempts to derail every thread that contains criticism with your utterly uninformed fanboy propaganda, lies and wannabe hardcore (you are definitely not) PK garbage.
As a developer myself I am here to tell you that the ONLY thing that makes a software solution or game good is the actual code written. There is absolutly no amount of PR or customer support that will change this fact.
You will never know how good the sex is until you get laid.
There is a world of difference between trying to deceive your customers into buying your product and to actually communicate honestly what it is and what are your plans for development , while I agree that PR wont make a software better, trying to convince your customers your giving them gold and rather your giving them a turd makes alot of difference in credibility support and understanding of the community, if you really cant see this, I do not believe you are a software developer.
Dude, we already told you. There is not going to be a NA server... that post is a complete lie. This is the second time he has announced this... Tasos is just trying to string people along. They don't have the CASH to do it, as they are almost bankrupt atm.
Oh this is funny.
its the second time he has annouced the same thing regarding the same release time frame with the second time him stating "as we have already said"...
given that you cant even read the news posts properly I seriously doubt you have any idea how much cash they have.
At this point there is only one thing to do SEAN, use the same strategy you use for litle children when you are trying to teach them what credibility and the value of being truthfull, have you ever heard of the story of the boy and the wolf?
Tasos has posted so much misinformation and lies over the years over and over again, for 2 years he kept saying the game was feature complete and in a better state than any game on the market well we know how that turned out to be.
Going to consider trying it, definately. Why wouldn't I? But like I did with Darkfall, I'll make my choice based from my friends experiances, and unbiased homemade gameplay videos of the game.
If it has any form of private instancing, I won't even bother trying.
I do get the impression that Mortal is less about large seiges and politics, though. And more about you personally as a player. We'll see, maybe it will. But probably not.
_________ Currently playing: Black Desert Korea (Waiting for EU)
Always hating on instances in MMOs! Open worlds, open PvP, territory control and housing please. More persistence, more fun.
Dude, we already told you. There is not going to be a NA server... that post is a complete lie. This is the second time he has announced this... Tasos is just trying to string people along. They don't have the CASH to do it, as they are almost bankrupt atm.
Oh this is funny.
its the second time he has annouced the same thing regarding the same release time frame with the second time him stating "as we have already said"...
given that you cant even read the news posts properly I seriously doubt you have any idea how much cash they have.
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Didn't I already spank you once before..? Yes, this is the SECOND time Tasos had made this announcement. The first time was back in Feb. The ONLY reason he mentioned NA servers in his latest post, is only because he wants to generate excitement and try to get back most of the people who left.
To try and steal more subs, until they realize they been duped a second time.
I already stated that^^ once before to you... *sigh* Tasos is DUMB and the only thing he knows is lip service. A NA server will not happen, they do not have the funds nor would it make good financial sense.
Tasos = Snake oil salesmen
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Didn't I already spank you once before..? Yes, this is the SECOND time Tasos had made this announcement. The first time was back in Feb. The ONLY reason he mentioned NA servers in his latest post, is only because he wants to generate excitement and try to get back most of the people who left. To try and steal more subs, until they realize they been duped a second time. I already stated that^^ once before to you... *sigh* Tasos is DUMB and the only thing he knows is lip service. A NA server will not happen, they do not have the funds nor would it make good financial sense.
Tasos = Snake oil salesmen
1st he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009."
2nd time he posted he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009 like we said there will be"
so in both cases it says what?
Oh and by the way, the second time he posted was about 2 weeks ago. Do you think they would have said that if they were looking at bankruptcy?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Didn't I already spank you once before..? Yes, this is the SECOND time Tasos had made this announcement. The first time was back in Feb. The ONLY reason he mentioned NA servers in his latest post, is only because he wants to generate excitement and try to get back most of the people who left. To try and steal more subs, until they realize they been duped a second time. I already stated that^^ once before to you... *sigh* Tasos is DUMB and the only thing he knows is lip service. A NA server will not happen, they do not have the funds nor would it make good financial sense.
Tasos = Snake oil salesmen
1st he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009."
2nd time he posted he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009 like we said there will be"
so in both cases it says what?
Oh and by the way, the second time he posted was about 2 weeks ago. Do you think they would have said that if they were looking at bankruptcy?
LOL...
NO, that was his post in April/May, when people kept flooding the forums asking WHERE ARE THE NA SERVERS YOU PROMISED US....
So he spun his lies even deeper and then everything went all silent for a few months. Go look at post of his from December, etc... he keeps mentioning NA servers back then too. His latest post is just a marketing ploy!
No company in NA will touch Aventurine with a ten foot pole, because they know they won't get paid! That is why it was so hard for them to get a Publisher, and eventually had to publish the game themselves...
How old are you dude..? You don't seem to grasp history to well.
Yes, Tasos would say that the day before he knew they would file for bankruptcy, because he is that big of a scumbag !!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
NO, that was his post in April/May, when people kept flooding the forums asking WHERE ARE THE NA SERVERS YOU PROMISED US.... So he spun his lies even deeper and then everything went all silent for a few months. Go look at post of his from December, etc... he keeps mentioning NA servers back then too...
o company in NA will touch Aventurine with a ten foot pole, because they know they won't get paid! That is why it was so hard for them to get a Publisher, and eventually had to publish the game themselves...
How old are you dude..? You don't seem to grasp history to well.
Yes, Tasos would say that the day before he knew they would file for bankruptcy, because he is that big of a lier !!
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
NO, that was his post in April/May, when people kept flooding the forums asking WHERE ARE THE NA SERVERS YOU PROMISED US.... So he spun his lies even deeper and then everything went all silent for a few months. Go look at post of his from December, etc... he keeps mentioning NA servers back then too...
o company in NA will touch Aventurine with a ten foot pole, because they know they won't get paid! That is why it was so hard for them to get a Publisher, and eventually had to publish the game themselves...
How old are you dude..? You don't seem to grasp history to well.
Yes, Tasos would say that the day before he knew they would file for bankruptcy, because he is that big of a lier !!
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player.
These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes.
So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place.
Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player. These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes. So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place. Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
I got interested in DF because I could basically craft cities, ships, cannons, warhulks and I could have a clan that could take a siege against another player city. You can not, nor will you ever, be able to do that in MO. So currently those features AS THEY ARE NOW are more intresting to me than MO.
DF CURRENTLY has more features that I personally am intrested in than MO has planned.
Is that more clear?
I basically said the same thing but took out the word “RTS” whatever word works best for you to describe what I said above that is what we will use so you can understand. As far as broken promises I really don’t care about any of that and I say it over and over and over again.
I don’t care about developers, developers promises, companies they represent, things they say, patch notes, I care about the game that I am currently playing and the state that it currently is in.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
NO, that was his post in April/May, when people kept flooding the forums asking WHERE ARE THE NA SERVERS YOU PROMISED US.... So he spun his lies even deeper and then everything went all silent for a few months. Go look at post of his from December, etc... he keeps mentioning NA servers back then too...
o company in NA will touch Aventurine with a ten foot pole, because they know they won't get paid! That is why it was so hard for them to get a Publisher, and eventually had to publish the game themselves...
How old are you dude..? You don't seem to grasp history to well.
Yes, Tasos would say that the day before he knew they would file for bankruptcy, because he is that big of a lier !!
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player.
These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes.
So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place.
Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
nah, you are just nitpicking. Besides, what game Devs promise, doesnt always mean it will turn out when they promised or how they promised. Are you new to MMOs?
Darkfall despite its flaws is THE BEST game of its TYPE on the market currently. Unfortunately for you, your hate posts cannot change that simple fact.
nah, you are just nitpicking. Besides, what game Devs promise, doesnt always mean it will turn out when they promised or how they promised. Are you new to MMOs?
Darkfall despite its flaws is THE BEST game of its TYPE on the market currently. Unfortunately for you, your hate posts cannot change that simple fact.
you not following me. I DONT CARE ABOUT DEVELOPER PROMISES.
I dont care about develoeprs
I dont care about developer promises
I dont care about path notes
I dont care about weekly updates
I dont care about PR
I dont care about the company.
I want to build ships and player cities that can be seiged on you cant do that in MO not now, not when its release not ever.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
NO, that was his post in April/May, when people kept flooding the forums asking WHERE ARE THE NA SERVERS YOU PROMISED US.... So he spun his lies even deeper and then everything went all silent for a few months. Go look at post of his from December, etc... he keeps mentioning NA servers back then too...
o company in NA will touch Aventurine with a ten foot pole, because they know they won't get paid! That is why it was so hard for them to get a Publisher, and eventually had to publish the game themselves...
How old are you dude..? You don't seem to grasp history to well.
Yes, Tasos would say that the day before he knew they would file for bankruptcy, because he is that big of a lier !!
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
First he said: "Blah blah blah"...etc. <---- When did he "first" say that, what month ?
When you answer that, I'll think you'll understand what lip service means !!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player. These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes. So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place. Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
I got interested in DF because I could basically craft cities, ships, cannons, warhulks and I could have a clan that could take a siege against another player city. You can not, nor will you ever, be able to do that in MO. So currently those features AS THEY ARE NOW are more intresting to me than MO.
DF CURRENTLY has more features that I personally am intrested in than MO has planned.
Is that more clear?
I basically said the same thing but took out the word “RTS” whatever word works best for you to describe what I said above that is what we will use so you can understand. As far as broken promises I really don’t care about any of that and I say it over and over and over again.
I don’t care about developers, developers promises, companies they represent, things they say, patch notes, I care about the game that I am currently playing and the state that it currently is in.
You know nothing about MO.
It's not even released. It's only in beta.
Read about how housing actually works in the game.
Just because they haven't said that seiging will be in or not doesn't mean it won't. Wait and see.
And quit throwing out being a software developer like it means anything.
My best friend is one. He writes software for realestate firms. Has nothing to do with gaming. Just because someone is a software dev. doesn't mean they know the first thing about buiilding a game.
Not to mention forums seem to create an abundance of developers. Odd how that works.
Explain to me how you craft a city.
What mechanics have you used to actually build a city?
Can everyone build a city?
Can everyone build a warhulk?
How do you build a warhulk?
What's involved in building a warhulk?
How many boats have you crafted?
Just because something exists in game doesn't mean it's remotely accesable to the magority of the playerbase, or that YOU can do those things.
Most everything you wrote takes a ridiculous amount of resources and a handful of people to actually make.
Not to mention you can lose it in 30 sec.
RTS is a very specific genre of game. It implies a very specific type of play.
"Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's azz by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?" - Tommy Boy
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player. These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes. So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place. Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
I got interested in DF because I could basically craft cities, ships, cannons, warhulks and I could have a clan that could take a siege against another player city. You can not, nor will you ever, be able to do that in MO. So currently those features AS THEY ARE NOW are more intresting to me than MO.
DF CURRENTLY has more features that I personally am intrested in than MO has planned.
Is that more clear?
I basically said the same thing but took out the word “RTS” whatever word works best for you to describe what I said above that is what we will use so you can understand. As far as broken promises I really don’t care about any of that and I say it over and over and over again.
I don’t care about developers, developers promises, companies they represent, things they say, patch notes, I care about the game that I am currently playing and the state that it currently is in.
You're a crafter..?
Did you play EQ2 or Vanguard..? If, so... then how can you accept what crude and pathetic crafting Darkfall has ??
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player. These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes. So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place. Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
nah, you are just nitpicking. Besides, what game Devs promise, doesnt always mean it will turn out when they promised or how they promised. Are you new to MMOs?
Darkfall despite its flaws is THE BEST game of its TYPE on the market currently. Unfortunately for you, your hate posts cannot change that simple fact.
Explain TYPE to me.
I look at DFO as a clan based, ffa pvp game with territory control.
FPS and skill based mechanics aside when you get down to it, DFO is a crappy version of Lineage 2 and Eve online.
In that regard it isn't the best.
Lineage 2 had over 12 million subs at one point. (something a lot of people neglect to get when people talk about the monster that is WoW.)
Eve has what? 350k subs, or something along those lines?
Rhinok has shown very good evidence; wich was pretty much confirmed by a mod on DFO official site, that the game has under 15k subs.
You're not talking about the core of the game though.
A lot of you are simply hung up on the fact that it's FPS mechanics and skill based and can't seem to get beyond that.
It's more like it's the ONLY TYPE like it out. Just because it's the only type doesn't make it good! It makes it sad that some people are willing to praise a bad game simply because of a couple mechanics in it. Mechanics wich, when compared to other games, aren't even good themselves.
The skil system is shallow and poorly thought out.
The FPS mechanics are HORRIBLE. MMO or not, there are plenty of FPS games out there you can play to get a good sence of GOOD mechanics.
So what your saying is that Av and DFO get a pass on being bad because nothign else is like it?
At this point there is only one thing to do SEAN, use the same strategy you use for litle children when you are trying to teach them what credibility and the value of being truthfull, have you ever heard of the story of the boy and the wolf? Tasos has posted so much misinformation and lies over the years over and over again, for 2 years he kept saying the game was feature complete and in a better state than any game on the market well we know how that turned out to be.
Sorry for the double post.
Ok
1. All I am saying is that the specific statement in question is not a lie even though some here said that the specific statement in question was a lie. THAT is my only issue. as far as general reputation and the likelyhood of the statement BECOMING a lie I really dont care. just dont call something a lie when its in fact not one.
2. child example is good becuase to be honest I think promisses are for childern unles its in a legal contract.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
MO will finish off DF just like Conan will finish off WOW.
You are comparing Darkfall to WOW? LOL. WOW has 11 million subscribers and Darkfall has 1500. That has to be the worst comparison ever.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe they call these things analogies. That means a comparison between two things which have similar feaatures. The point that the poster was making was that MO will NOT finish off DF, in a similar way that Conan will NOT finish WoW. He is not comparing them in any way other than that game A will not kill game B.
I'm not so sure anymore that MO will finish off Darkfall. They are doing a full price, non-refundable, full-price preorder that gives access to beta. Its a 180 degree spin on what they're plans for beta in less than a month. I think MO is going to be another wait and see if the mess can be cleaned up kind of game.
I've watched some footage of MO, and I'm 99% sure my GF6600 AGP won't be able to handle it.
So far my craptastic computer is handling Darkfall just fine.
Anyway, at the rate they are losing players, Darkfall will be dead in a few months anyway. I'm just enjoying it now while there are still other people to play with.
Heh I remember reading in the MO forum "Is this just a better Darkfall?" and everyone agreeing with it.
Then I read the powerpoint presentations and promises for launch, and the features they are "surely" ingame.
And this is the gist of it:
Small world (dont start with "they will add 5 more continents" bs)
FFA pvp
Mounted combat
Basic housing and crafting
Basic NPCs
Races that all look the same (same skins from the screenshots, all 9 races)
FPS aiming.
No cities, no ships, no siege machines (warhulks).
To me it just seems its a more "basic" Darkfall pretty much. But I appreciate the developers being upfront about it and will probably buy it after launch. Dont know if the fans (I am one also, its the only game im looking forward to, not aion or SW) will agree with my conclusions but thats what I think.
I've watched some footage of MO, and I'm 99% sure my GF6600 AGP won't be able to handle it. So far my craptastic computer is handling Darkfall just fine. Anyway, at the rate they are losing players, Darkfall will be dead in a few months anyway. I'm just enjoying it now while there are still other people to play with.
Its not really, the overall majority of people that quit are waiting for the North America server, since its pointless to pay 30 bucks for the next 2 months just to patch. We will all be back at NA release with fresh characters, Hyperion and all
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe they call these things analogies. That means a comparison between two things which have similar feaatures. The point that the poster was making was that MO will NOT finish off DF, in a similar way that Conan will NOT finish WoW. He is not comparing them in any way other than that game A will not kill game B.
Analogies must make at least some sense. That one made no sense at all.
I'm not so sure anymore that MO will finish off Darkfall. They are doing a full price, non-refundable, full-price preorder that gives access to beta. Its a 180 degree spin on what they're plans for beta in less than a month. I think MO is going to be another wait and see if the mess can be cleaned up kind of game.
Its a preorder, so you should be able to cancel your preorder before release. If not, you can just reverse the charges.
Darkfall will kill itself, that much is evident. Give it a few more months, a couple hundred more crashes, and a tons more failures to deliever on promised content, and Darkfall will join the millions of other failed MMOs in the great trasbin on failure ideas.
As for Mortal, Im not expecting anything spectacular. First person camera, small ingame world, clone characters, and drab repetitve game play will ensure Mortal follows in Darkfall's footsteps.
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As a developer myself I am here to tell you that the ONLY thing that makes a software solution or game good is the actual code written. There is absolutly no amount of PR or customer support that will change this fact.
You will never know how good the sex is until you get laid.
There is a world of difference between trying to deceive your customers into buying your product and to actually communicate honestly what it is and what are your plans for development , while I agree that PR wont make a software better, trying to convince your customers your giving them gold and rather your giving them a turd makes alot of difference in credibility support and understanding of the community, if you really cant see this, I do not believe you are a software developer.
Oh this is funny.
its the second time he has annouced the same thing regarding the same release time frame with the second time him stating "as we have already said"...
given that you cant even read the news posts properly I seriously doubt you have any idea how much cash they have.
At this point there is only one thing to do SEAN, use the same strategy you use for litle children when you are trying to teach them what credibility and the value of being truthfull, have you ever heard of the story of the boy and the wolf?
Tasos has posted so much misinformation and lies over the years over and over again, for 2 years he kept saying the game was feature complete and in a better state than any game on the market well we know how that turned out to be.
Sorry for the double post.
Depends how good Mortal Online is.
Going to consider trying it, definately. Why wouldn't I? But like I did with Darkfall, I'll make my choice based from my friends experiances, and unbiased homemade gameplay videos of the game.
If it has any form of private instancing, I won't even bother trying.
I do get the impression that Mortal is less about large seiges and politics, though. And more about you personally as a player. We'll see, maybe it will. But probably not.
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Currently playing: Black Desert Korea (Waiting for EU)
Always hating on instances in MMOs! Open worlds, open PvP, territory control and housing please. More persistence, more fun.
Oh this is funny.
its the second time he has annouced the same thing regarding the same release time frame with the second time him stating "as we have already said"...
given that you cant even read the news posts properly I seriously doubt you have any idea how much cash they have.
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Didn't I already spank you once before..? Yes, this is the SECOND time Tasos had made this announcement. The first time was back in Feb. The ONLY reason he mentioned NA servers in his latest post, is only because he wants to generate excitement and try to get back most of the people who left.
To try and steal more subs, until they realize they been duped a second time.
I already stated that^^ once before to you... *sigh* Tasos is DUMB and the only thing he knows is lip service. A NA server will not happen, they do not have the funds nor would it make good financial sense.
Tasos = Snake oil salesmen
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
1st he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009."
2nd time he posted he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009 like we said there will be"
so in both cases it says what?
Oh and by the way, the second time he posted was about 2 weeks ago. Do you think they would have said that if they were looking at bankruptcy?
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1st he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009."
2nd time he posted he said "there will be a NA server in the second quarter of 2009 like we said there will be"
so in both cases it says what?
Oh and by the way, the second time he posted was about 2 weeks ago. Do you think they would have said that if they were looking at bankruptcy?
LOL...
NO, that was his post in April/May, when people kept flooding the forums asking WHERE ARE THE NA SERVERS YOU PROMISED US....
So he spun his lies even deeper and then everything went all silent for a few months. Go look at post of his from December, etc... he keeps mentioning NA servers back then too. His latest post is just a marketing ploy!
No company in NA will touch Aventurine with a ten foot pole, because they know they won't get paid! That is why it was so hard for them to get a Publisher, and eventually had to publish the game themselves...
How old are you dude..? You don't seem to grasp history to well.
Yes, Tasos would say that the day before he knew they would file for bankruptcy, because he is that big of a scumbag !!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
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your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player.
These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes.
So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place.
Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
I got interested in DF because I could basically craft cities, ships, cannons, warhulks and I could have a clan that could take a siege against another player city. You can not, nor will you ever, be able to do that in MO. So currently those features AS THEY ARE NOW are more intresting to me than MO.
DF CURRENTLY has more features that I personally am intrested in than MO has planned.
Is that more clear?
I basically said the same thing but took out the word “RTS” whatever word works best for you to describe what I said above that is what we will use so you can understand. As far as broken promises I really don’t care about any of that and I say it over and over and over again.
I don’t care about developers, developers promises, companies they represent, things they say, patch notes, I care about the game that I am currently playing and the state that it currently is in.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
On April 11, 2008 Tasos stated that the game was complete and 100% feature complete.
He said that the AI was so sophisticated that the server couldn't tell the dif. between the AI and an actual player.
These are lies. There is no stepping around it, they are lies.
If some people don't believe that there will be a NA server, they are entirely justified to believe that tasos is lying again. The man has made it a habbit to lie to the community. He announced the game was starting beta for soemthing like 5 years for god sakes.
So now,
DFO has RTS elements but thier broken?
That's what you imply a few posts back after I've asked you to explain to me how the RTS mechanics in game work.
Now they need to be fixed? I'm taking that as your answer to my question. They need to be fixed.
If they don't work, and they need to be fixed, then there aren't any RTS mechanics in place.
Gotcha.
DFO isn't an RTS as I've been saying, and you're just spouting out things that the FAQ states even though you never read about a game, and just play them if you like them. Gotcha.
nah, you are just nitpicking. Besides, what game Devs promise, doesnt always mean it will turn out when they promised or how they promised. Are you new to MMOs?
Darkfall despite its flaws is THE BEST game of its TYPE on the market currently. Unfortunately for you, your hate posts cannot change that simple fact.
you not following me. I DONT CARE ABOUT DEVELOPER PROMISES.
I dont care about develoeprs
I dont care about developer promises
I dont care about path notes
I dont care about weekly updates
I dont care about PR
I dont care about the company.
I want to build ships and player cities that can be seiged on you cant do that in MO not now, not when its release not ever.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
your flat out wrong!
first he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009"
two weeks ago he said "NA server will be out in 2nd quarter of 2009 like we have already said".
this is currently 2nd quarter of 2009. I hope to watch you eat your words if a server comes out before july 4th.
would you like me to give you the posts?
First he said: "Blah blah blah" ...etc. <---- When did he "first" say that, what month ?
When you answer that, I'll think you'll understand what lip service means !!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
I got interested in DF because I could basically craft cities, ships, cannons, warhulks and I could have a clan that could take a siege against another player city. You can not, nor will you ever, be able to do that in MO. So currently those features AS THEY ARE NOW are more intresting to me than MO.
DF CURRENTLY has more features that I personally am intrested in than MO has planned.
Is that more clear?
I basically said the same thing but took out the word “RTS” whatever word works best for you to describe what I said above that is what we will use so you can understand. As far as broken promises I really don’t care about any of that and I say it over and over and over again.
I don’t care about developers, developers promises, companies they represent, things they say, patch notes, I care about the game that I am currently playing and the state that it currently is in.
You know nothing about MO.
It's not even released. It's only in beta.
Read about how housing actually works in the game.
Just because they haven't said that seiging will be in or not doesn't mean it won't. Wait and see.
And quit throwing out being a software developer like it means anything.
My best friend is one. He writes software for realestate firms. Has nothing to do with gaming. Just because someone is a software dev. doesn't mean they know the first thing about buiilding a game.
Not to mention forums seem to create an abundance of developers. Odd how that works.
Explain to me how you craft a city.
What mechanics have you used to actually build a city?
Can everyone build a city?
Can everyone build a warhulk?
How do you build a warhulk?
What's involved in building a warhulk?
How many boats have you crafted?
Just because something exists in game doesn't mean it's remotely accesable to the magority of the playerbase, or that YOU can do those things.
Most everything you wrote takes a ridiculous amount of resources and a handful of people to actually make.
Not to mention you can lose it in 30 sec.
RTS is a very specific genre of game. It implies a very specific type of play.
Nice flip flop you got there.
If Mortal has a "buy now" button on the main website after launch it will destroy Darkfall.
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T=Time G=Gear W=Win Gr=Grind Nf=NoFun S=Skill FoF=FullofFail
"Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's azz by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?" - Tommy Boy
I got interested in DF because I could basically craft cities, ships, cannons, warhulks and I could have a clan that could take a siege against another player city. You can not, nor will you ever, be able to do that in MO. So currently those features AS THEY ARE NOW are more intresting to me than MO.
DF CURRENTLY has more features that I personally am intrested in than MO has planned.
Is that more clear?
I basically said the same thing but took out the word “RTS” whatever word works best for you to describe what I said above that is what we will use so you can understand. As far as broken promises I really don’t care about any of that and I say it over and over and over again.
I don’t care about developers, developers promises, companies they represent, things they say, patch notes, I care about the game that I am currently playing and the state that it currently is in.
You're a crafter..?
Did you play EQ2 or Vanguard..? If, so... then how can you accept what crude and pathetic crafting Darkfall has ??
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
nah, you are just nitpicking. Besides, what game Devs promise, doesnt always mean it will turn out when they promised or how they promised. Are you new to MMOs?
Darkfall despite its flaws is THE BEST game of its TYPE on the market currently. Unfortunately for you, your hate posts cannot change that simple fact.
Explain TYPE to me.
I look at DFO as a clan based, ffa pvp game with territory control.
FPS and skill based mechanics aside when you get down to it, DFO is a crappy version of Lineage 2 and Eve online.
In that regard it isn't the best.
Lineage 2 had over 12 million subs at one point. (something a lot of people neglect to get when people talk about the monster that is WoW.)
Eve has what? 350k subs, or something along those lines?
Rhinok has shown very good evidence; wich was pretty much confirmed by a mod on DFO official site, that the game has under 15k subs.
You're not talking about the core of the game though.
A lot of you are simply hung up on the fact that it's FPS mechanics and skill based and can't seem to get beyond that.
It's more like it's the ONLY TYPE like it out. Just because it's the only type doesn't make it good! It makes it sad that some people are willing to praise a bad game simply because of a couple mechanics in it. Mechanics wich, when compared to other games, aren't even good themselves.
The skil system is shallow and poorly thought out.
The FPS mechanics are HORRIBLE. MMO or not, there are plenty of FPS games out there you can play to get a good sence of GOOD mechanics.
So what your saying is that Av and DFO get a pass on being bad because nothign else is like it?
Sorry no.
There are other games VERY much like it.
BAD ONES.
Ok
1. All I am saying is that the specific statement in question is not a lie even though some here said that the specific statement in question was a lie. THAT is my only issue. as far as general reputation and the likelyhood of the statement BECOMING a lie I really dont care. just dont call something a lie when its in fact not one.
2. child example is good becuase to be honest I think promisses are for childern unles its in a legal contract.
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You are comparing Darkfall to WOW? LOL. WOW has 11 million subscribers and Darkfall has 1500. That has to be the worst comparison ever.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe they call these things analogies. That means a comparison between two things which have similar feaatures. The point that the poster was making was that MO will NOT finish off DF, in a similar way that Conan will NOT finish WoW. He is not comparing them in any way other than that game A will not kill game B.
I'm not so sure anymore that MO will finish off Darkfall. They are doing a full price, non-refundable, full-price preorder that gives access to beta. Its a 180 degree spin on what they're plans for beta in less than a month. I think MO is going to be another wait and see if the mess can be cleaned up kind of game.
I've watched some footage of MO, and I'm 99% sure my GF6600 AGP won't be able to handle it.
So far my craptastic computer is handling Darkfall just fine.
Anyway, at the rate they are losing players, Darkfall will be dead in a few months anyway. I'm just enjoying it now while there are still other people to play with.
Heh I remember reading in the MO forum "Is this just a better Darkfall?" and everyone agreeing with it.
Then I read the powerpoint presentations and promises for launch, and the features they are "surely" ingame.
And this is the gist of it:
Small world (dont start with "they will add 5 more continents" bs)
FFA pvp
Mounted combat
Basic housing and crafting
Basic NPCs
Races that all look the same (same skins from the screenshots, all 9 races)
FPS aiming.
No cities, no ships, no siege machines (warhulks).
To me it just seems its a more "basic" Darkfall pretty much. But I appreciate the developers being upfront about it and will probably buy it after launch. Dont know if the fans (I am one also, its the only game im looking forward to, not aion or SW) will agree with my conclusions but thats what I think.
Its not really, the overall majority of people that quit are waiting for the North America server, since its pointless to pay 30 bucks for the next 2 months just to patch. We will all be back at NA release with fresh characters, Hyperion and all
Analogies must make at least some sense. That one made no sense at all.
Its a preorder, so you should be able to cancel your preorder before release. If not, you can just reverse the charges.
Darkfall will kill itself, that much is evident. Give it a few more months, a couple hundred more crashes, and a tons more failures to deliever on promised content, and Darkfall will join the millions of other failed MMOs in the great trasbin on failure ideas.
As for Mortal, Im not expecting anything spectacular. First person camera, small ingame world, clone characters, and drab repetitve game play will ensure Mortal follows in Darkfall's footsteps.