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Even if wow still has 10mil.. or more.. still
10mil subscribers in 2010 is the same as 1mil subscribers in 2002/3/4.
I started playing eq in '99. And i had to buy a brand new computer and pay for optional upgrades to be able to play well. Most people did not have enough knowledge to do that in 99. Plus.. MOST people still used aol to get online.. and those were horrible days of mmorpgs using dialup.
I had broadband in 2000, and i was concidered elite by most people i knew because of it. Hardly anybody had broadband back then, it was not highly available and cost a fortune. Now.. everbody has it (or should at least).
EQ and WoW are generational games. Each ruled, or rules, its given generation. Before EQ, imho, UO ruled.. as it was a previous generation.
Anybody remember The Realm? Or Legends of Kesmai? Dark Sun Online? Whenever those came out it was always said they were the best and beat everything else.. then a new one came out, and it started over.
I have been playing online since 1994, so i think i know what i am talking about. (yes they had online gaming in 1994. Aol even hosted many games that you had to pay BY THE HOUR to play.
In short.. stop talking about it.. its useless, nothing will change.. people will still play their games.. nobody is going to have a light go on above their head and change their playstyle or gaming preferences because they think you are right. Good night.
Well put.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Yes, because getting to level 50 is the top and the difficulty of WoW. lawl. shocks me that people associate leveling time with game difficulty. If a game had Demon's Souls end game like difficulty but only took 1-2 days to reach max level normally, you people would say it was the easiest game ever.
My idea of a MMORPG, is the need to interact with others while you play and level, wow just seemed to aim at getting to end game asap, it could quite as easily start you out as max level and most people would still play it. I got dragged in too, I didn't feel the accomplishment that i did from other MMO's when i dinged - it was just...next!
You can't argue that they have dummed down WOW so everyone can get to end content easily.
For example, you want to get youself a £100k job, the training school of EQ will take 5 years to get there, but the school of WOW will only take you a year - what would you chose. Like I said, WOW have it nailed for the majority of us.
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We can always argue.
Just what exactly do you mean by "dumbed down" .. ?
Removed XP loss?
Removed grouping requirement?
Reduced downtime?
I'm interested, because I often see this opinion repeated parrot-fashion by people who assume that "challenge" equates to ones ability to withstand mind-numbing boredom.
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wow is dumped down ??
wow has never ben harder than it is atm.
What happened? I thought we all decided that it was pointless and retarded to be having this conversation.
Currently Playing: The Game
We remembered that this is a forum.
Pointless and retarded are SOP.
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But everyone knows that audience is a direct reflection of product quality! Twilight is the literary masterpiece of our time! Huffy is the genius dependable bike maker! The list goes on!
... in other news, the Bills entire coaching staff was fired this week. This catch anyone by surprise? /Troll off
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
I've noticed that one major difference between EQ and WoW is that EQ players don't go to the WoW forum here on a nearly daily basis to talk about EQ, while WoW players have some sort of mysterious need to tell EQ players about WoW, even though most of them have not only heard about it, but have tried it and decided it wasn't for them. I suspect there's either a misguided competition mindset, silly game loyalty, or some severe insecurity behind the constant WoWist attacks on EQ.
News Flash: WoW is irrelevant to people who are playing other games. Seriously, everyone knows it is there, if they suddently become interested in it. And nobody cares what your favorite game is. At all.
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This is where I draw the line: __________________.
What have you been smoking? have you not BEEN to the WoW forums here? there is ALWAYS some EQ troll spouting off that WoW isn't a true MMO because it has instances. As of writing this there are 5 threads in the WoW forums on the first 2 pages about this. HOWEVER, the EQ forums have a bunch of "Returning to EQ cause it's so awesome blahblahblah." I Don't see any positive WoW threads there.
"World of Warcraft is the perfect implementation of this genre." - Hilmar Petursson. CEO of CCP.
What have you been smoking? have you not BEEN to the WoW forums here? there is ALWAYS some EQ troll spouting off that WoW isn't a true MMO because it has instances. As of writing this there are 5 threads in the WoW forums on the first 2 pages about this. HOWEVER, the EQ forums have a bunch of "Returning to EQ cause it's so awesome blahblahblah." I Don't see any WoW threads there.
Curious as to why you would be in the EQ threads. I mean after all, the Bizz boys never go there right?
lol Actually it was my first time being there just to check to see the threads. first 2 pages, no WoW threads.
EDIT:
Just checked the EQ2 forums as well. NO WOW POSTS within the first 2 pages! But then again, it's understandable that an EQ player would lie or live in denial about something.
"World of Warcraft is the perfect implementation of this genre." - Hilmar Petursson. CEO of CCP.
WoW got better. EQ got worse. A lot worse.
WoW makes smart decisions. EQ makes a smart decision, then nerfs it, because the hardcore elite whine that the casual player doesn't deserve to have fun.
When WoW releases an expansion they give rewards to everyone, and this balances the content. Everyone can advance at their own pace.
When EQ releases an expansion only the hardcore that are ready to advance get rewards. This causes most of the players to be stuck in horrible gear, and they have no chance to do the new content. You can't advance at your own pace.
If you started right now in EQ you would be light years behind the current content. In WoW, you can jump right in.
I love EQ, but they made far too many dumb decisions, and specifically catered to the hardcore raiders. They totally ignored any other way to play, and groupers were constantly berated and insulted.
Not too hard to see why WoW has succeeded where EQ couldn't.
What have you been smoking? have you not BEEN to the WoW forums here? there is ALWAYS some EQ troll spouting off that WoW isn't a true MMO because it has instances. As of writing this there are 5 threads in the WoW forums on the first 2 pages about this. HOWEVER, the EQ forums have a bunch of "Returning to EQ cause it's so awesome blahblahblah." I Don't see any WoW threads there.
Curious as to why you would be in the EQ threads. I mean after all, the Bizz boys never go there right?
lol Actually it was my first time being there just to check to see the threads. first 2 pages, no WoW threads.
EDIT:
Just checked the EQ2 forums as well. NO WOW POSTS within the first 2 pages! But then again, it's understandable that an EQ player would lie or live in denial about something.
I see the WOW maturity level hasnt improved since I played the game.
What have you been smoking? have you not BEEN to the WoW forums here? there is ALWAYS some EQ troll spouting off that WoW isn't a true MMO because it has instances. As of writing this there are 5 threads in the WoW forums on the first 2 pages about this. HOWEVER, the EQ forums have a bunch of "Returning to EQ cause it's so awesome blahblahblah." I Don't see any WoW threads there.
Curious as to why you would be in the EQ threads. I mean after all, the Bizz boys never go there right?
lol Actually it was my first time being there just to check to see the threads. first 2 pages, no WoW threads.
EDIT:
Just checked the EQ2 forums as well. NO WOW POSTS within the first 2 pages! But then again, it's understandable that an EQ player would lie or live in denial about something.
I see the WOW maturity level hasn't improved since I played the game.
I see the EQ grammar level hasn't improved since I read their post last.
I wasn't the one that had wild unfounded accusations. I simply fact checked and compared the data. You seem to have a problem with that. Perhaps that's a personal problem that you should deal with.
"World of Warcraft is the perfect implementation of this genre." - Hilmar Petursson. CEO of CCP.
Sod they claim was more geared tword casuals.an the one before that .Hardcore raiders bitch when group content gear gets within 2/3rd as good as raid gear.an want the game balanced off of their raid gear.one regular poster on the offical forums wants players to go threw all progression kunark an up.
the i got a pretty shiney better than yours crowd in the hardcore elite then gripe populations droping an wonder why.eq over all is a good game .some things soe has done is just dumb .its as if once they shoot them selves in the foot they just shurg an grin where lucky i got another foot to aim at huh?
Underfoot is aimed at the raiders more so than casuals an their still not happy.i like to raid some.not change a whole game into raids.Wow players who never played eq should be thankful other players have an helped to make wows raid game.an as one reviewer put it wow is eq an diablo mixed together.
wow has done some amazingly great things. the cross server grouping for dungons an pvp matchs was a stroke of genius.but pading their population numbers early on was right up their to.an for any eq player to bitch wow isnt a real mmorpg because it has instances realy hasnt played eq in years.
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The glory days are gone, Ginkeq.
The dinosaurs are dying out; it's natural selection time.
Don't be the brontosaurus, be the crocodile.
Evolve! .. and you could still be eating hapless newbies for years to come.
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I played WoW off and on for 4 months, and got to 80 maxed out several professions on alts, etc. and had all epic items except 1 trinket. The game is easy mode, and anyone that denies that did not play EQ very long or at all. WoW is great tor what it is, but anyone looking for a challenging MMO, WoW is not the game to play.
If your going to give stats.. do your homework.
EQ was not released to the global market, there were no asain servers. When EQ was released the MMO Genre was all but unknown. Thanks the UO, EQ , DAoC and others.. WoW got a huge leg up.
Since WoW lost the ability to host servers in China, due to the govermental restriction, their player base is down to under 5million.
EQ was designed for a serious player, there were very few quest and leveling was extreme.
WoW did everything short of /levelmytoon80.. though I hear thats coming in next patch.
After sitting here thinking about this thread, Ive come to one conclusion.
Responding to this thread is like winning the special olympics..in the end, your still retarded.
Questions: What was your arena rating? How many hardmodes did you accomplish? An epic = nothing is its a crappy epic. Give us your armory and get online for me to verify that you have indeed "mastered" WoW.
"World of Warcraft is the perfect implementation of this genre." - Hilmar Petursson. CEO of CCP.
You sure about this?
I heard that China WoW was suspended again in November '09.
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You sure about this?
I heard that China WoW was suspended again in November '09.
im sure you'll understand if we need more than just your word on that.. so .. link please
Yeah they had to close up again in November.
EDIT: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/03/wow-rejected-in-china-government-at-odds-with-itself-over-dec/
"World of Warcraft is the perfect implementation of this genre." - Hilmar Petursson. CEO of CCP.
One game caters to pvp players, the other does not.
Obviously the market has spoken as to which is preferd. Has nothing to do with which game is better, people dont want to level for 6 months, then spend another few months gearing up, to not be able to rub it in other players faces via pvp.
WoW only succeeded in giving away welfare epics to dumb players.
When my guild was clearing Naxx40, they release an expansion and give solo quest gear away that is better than the best 40 man raid gear in the game.
Whats the point in raiding in WoW when they are just gonna hand out the best gear to the dumbest players? Today they've done away with difficult raids, and instead designed zones so that even retarded players would be able to clear it. So the end result is that anyone who raids gets the same gear regardless of player skill.
Dumb players ?
I only see good and bad developped game mechanics.
Blizzard pretty much made the ideal developped on line gameplay to have 1.2 billion dollars yearly in their pockets.
I don't believe in "dumb players" and "smart players". I believe in good developped games that people like to play for a few years and on this count the balance is WOW yearly 1.2 billion dollars and EQ2 1 million dollars after 5 years.
Meaning for 99% of the (dumb/smart) people WOW gets MORE paid subscriptions.
No discussion possible. YOU may adore and love EQ2, but most of the people out there think otherwise.
I understand this leads to frustration and it leads to visiting the WOW forums, which you won't see in the EQ2 forums.
Normal reaction: the most hooligans you will find with the football clubs who lost their former glory too.
And language like "dumb players etc" are very much a clear sign of having lost control of normal evaluations.
If your guild couldn't handle Molten Core then there is no other word for them. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I played WoW very early on and it was Good Guilds and Bad Guilds. And Good Guilds were much further along in the game than Bad Guilds. Now Good Guilds and Bad Guilds do the same content, because all of the content was dumbed down.
Show me bad guilds that have done Algalon the Observer hardmode. You won't find any even though it's old content.
"World of Warcraft is the perfect implementation of this genre." - Hilmar Petursson. CEO of CCP.