+1 this coming from someone that would like to try it but WILL NOT sit through a pve grind as such. If they took some of the pve grind out, cracked down on hackers and botters I would be interested in trying the game. Til these 2 things are addressed I'd imagine many will take the same stance. Tbh I get the impression that many of the vets simply want to protect their advantage/leverage or whatever else you want to call it. Think about what the quoted post says "more pvp in a pvp game" how can that be bad? Never understood how hardcore pvpers would defend a bunk pve grind that isn't even hiden.
Most pvpers don`t support the grind in darkfall, because we can see it`s killing the game we like. We want more player, more pvp and more fun. We simply want less pve and more pvp
-If we liked the grind, would we have macroed everytime we got the chance?
-Would Xipher abuse a mob like the hivequeen if he liked the grind?
-Would Whargoul support the grind if he didn`t live on a safe island?
-Would Agricola support the grind if he couldn`t play 12-16 hour a day?
The grind supporters are the worst enemy a game like Darkfall can have. They are killing the game from inside. I do belive they like Darkfall, but it`s sad they can`t see outside their little box. And new players do like darkfall, atleast in the start. You can see it in the post from new players like Holdenhamlet. His dream is to make a police clan, but he will soon quit like the rest of the new players. The fucking grind is making 90% of the new players leave.
Yeah the grind sucks. games great they need like x10 to Stat gain and x3 (more) to skill gain off mobs.
but they need to collect as much $ as they can off the people they do have i mean there taking my money and i chop tree's and swim all day to grind my stats cuz my Skills are all done my stats are still laughable.
Yeah the grind sucks. games great they need like x10 to Stat gain and x3 (more) to skill gain off mobs. but they need to collect as much $ as they can off the people they do have i mean there taking my money and i chop tree's and swim all day to grind my stats cuz my Skills are all done my stats are still laughable. STR 60, Vit 62, Dex 39, Quickness 80, Intel 43, Wisdom 42 and thats after i maxed Archer, 2 weapons and maxed Witchcraft, spell chanting, lesser and greater magic. (im a Destroyer)
Anymore you need over 70 Vit and 70 Str to have a chance.
What rank weapon you use ? what armor you wear ? whats the opponents armor, whats the opponent rank of weapon please ?
How much of your hits did you miss, how much of your opponents hits you dodged ?
there is no sense in the word "grind" if those questions aren't properly answered.
Just a minority of the Darkfall playerbase think there is a problem with the grind anyway.
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Yeah the grind sucks. games great they need like x10 to Stat gain and x3 (more) to skill gain off mobs. but they need to collect as much $ as they can off the people they do have i mean there taking my money and i chop tree's and swim all day to grind my stats cuz my Skills are all done my stats are still laughable. STR 60, Vit 62, Dex 39, Quickness 80, Intel 43, Wisdom 42 and thats after i maxed Archer, 2 weapons and maxed Witchcraft, spell chanting, lesser and greater magic. (im a Destroyer)
Anymore you need over 70 Vit and 70 Str to have a chance.
What rank weapon you use ? what armor you wear ? whats the opponents armor, whats the opponent rank of weapon please ?
How much of your hits did you miss, how much of your opponents hits you dodged ?
there is no sense in the word "grind" if those questions aren't properly answered.
Just a minority of the Darkfall playerbase think there is a problem with the grind anyway.
Full Plate, Rank 50+ 2h great sword 70+ Mastery, Archery 80+ to all skills, 308 Health 351 Stamina 180 Mana (im destroyer mana is almost useless just used for heals and transfers)
BUT i know for a fact some one with 200 health dosn't stand a chance to someone with 300+
Most pvpers don`t support the grind in darkfall, because we can see it`s killing the game we like. We want more player, more pvp and more fun. We simply want less pve and more pvp
-If we liked the grind, would we have macroed everytime we got the chance? -Would Xipher abuse a mob like the hivequeen if he liked the grind? -Would Whargoul support the grind if he didn`t live on a safe island? -Would Agricola support the grind if he couldn`t play 12-16 hour a day?
The grind supporters are the worst enemy a game like Darkfall can have. They are killing the game from inside. I do belive they like Darkfall, but it`s sad they can`t see outside their little box. And new players do like darkfall, atleast in the start. You can see it in the post from new players like Holdenhamlet. His dream is to make a police clan, but he will soon quit like the rest of the new players. The fucking grind is making 90% of the new players leave.
I have to go before I nerdrage again :P
First off, we just moved down there like last month. Second off, Cairn is ANYTHING but safe. There are like six guilds who raid the place all day, and all night long. But we organize and hunt them down / repel them, and when we PVE we do it in groups.
That said, this is a [mod edit] MMORPG, and as such, there is a difference between a n00b and a vet. It's a side effect of character progression.
Some people hear "fps aiming" and think "zomg!! an fps!!"
IT'S NOT AN FPS.
It has a "grind" (to use the popular term for *GASP* havint to advance your character to a given point) because ALL [mod edit] MMORPGS have a grind. It's not even that bad of a "grind" compared to many other games on the market, or in MMORPG history.
It's been tweaked and tuned by AV, and accellerated. But that's not good enough for these people here who just want to cry and scream in EVERY THREAD regardless of topic.
You want to be able to max all your skills in a month, so you can "compete" in pvp. Another month later you'd be bored, and leave....but the damage you whined for would be done.
You people do this in EVERY GAME that's released lately. You scream for nerfs, scream for faster gains, all so you can race through the content, get bored, and go back to WoW.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GRIND, DON'T [mod edit] PLAY.
FFS stop ruining games because you have the attention span of a gnat.
Don't whine about a game you don't like. JUST DON'T PLAY and let those who DO like it, enjoy it in peace.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GRIND, DON'T FUCKING PLAY. FFS stop ruining games because you have the attention span of a gnat. Don't whine about a game you don't like. JUST DON'T PLAY and let those who DO like it, enjoy it in peace.
...and this type of attitude is exactly why a lot of people don't want to play this game, because when somebody criticizes a part of the game, the player base screams/curses back at you to GO BACK TO WOW NOOB. Nice response there, have you ever wondered why people "go back to WoW"? They don't want to play with pricks like you, and they don't look at this game like it's a JOB. All I hear from this crowd is "you have to work for this, worth for that, work work work." I realize that this is an MMORPG, but the GRIND is not what makes the game, hate to break it to ya. The sad truth is that so many have accepted that MMORPGS consist nothing but grinding and PVP.
If you don't have anything intelligent to say, why not refrain from saying it? Thanks.
You people do this in EVERY GAME that's released lately. You scream for nerfs, scream for faster gains, all so you can race through the content, get bored, and go back to WoW. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GRIND, DON'T FUCKING PLAY. FFS stop ruining games because you have the attention span of a gnat. Don't whine about a game you don't like. JUST DON'T PLAY and let those who DO like it, enjoy it in peace.
First, sorry for the cairn thing.
Second, I play more than you. Post your NPC kills.
Third, I`m almost done grinding. See my NPC kills
We only want faster pvp gains, so you can keep the manowar shipbuilding. And stop saying all the content in Darkfall is level and grind. You can go back to WOW if you think levels are all a mmo is about. DF really start when you got a developed char, that`s something ALL pvpers know. The six month boring npc killing for no other reason than level up is just stupid.
It`s not like we don`t have enough grind in Darkfall as it is. Does gear, money and mats fall from the sky on your server or do you avoid pvp to protect your stuff?
Come on. Please explain the public why Darkfall need six months to get a low level PVP char?
...and this type of attitude is exactly why a lot of people don't want to play this game, because when somebody criticizes a part of the game, the player base screams/curses back at you to GO BACK TO WOW NOOB. Nice response there, have you ever wondered why people "go back to WoW"? They don't want to play with pricks like you, and they don't look at this game like it's a JOB. All I hear from this crowd is "you have to work for this, worth for that, work work work." I realize that this is an MMORPG, but the GRIND is not what makes the game, hate to break it to ya. The sad truth is that so many have accepted that MMORPGS consist nothing but grinding and PVP.
If you don't have anything intelligent to say, why not refrain from saying it? Thanks.
Generally because the same people here create thread after thread and post after post complaining about the "grind". Perhaps there is already a devoted player base that enjoys the game as it is and doesnt think things need to change. Yet every time i come here, the same people are posting the same argument again and again, making it seem like it is impossible to play the game if you didnt start when the game was released. They go on to denigrate the current player-base and say, if you disagree with their point of view, you must be a vet that istrying to protect their advantage.
There are hundreds of MMOs to play, pretty muchall containing a grind for skills/stats/gear. Find one you like and play it.
You people do this in EVERY GAME that's released lately. You scream for nerfs, scream for faster gains, all so you can race through the content, get bored, and go back to WoW. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GRIND, DON'T FUCKING PLAY. FFS stop ruining games because you have the attention span of a gnat. Don't whine about a game you don't like. JUST DON'T PLAY and let those who DO like it, enjoy it in peace.
First, sorry for the cairn thing.
Accepted.
Second, I play more than you. Post your NPC kills.
HIGHLY doubt it. Posting my NPC kills would be kinda pointless, since they were reset when I transferred from EU (along with my bank, ganks, etc). I play this game a LOT though.....always been a "hardcore" player, always will be.
Third, I`m almost done grinding. See my NPC kills
There is no "end"....you are never "done".
We only want faster pvp gains, so you can keep the manowar shipbuilding. And stop saying all the content in Darkfall is level and grind. You can go back to WOW if you think levels are all a mmo is about. DF really start when you got a developed char, that`s something ALL pvpers know. The six month boring npc killing for no other reason than level up is just stupid.
i think you have me confused with someone else. I've NEVER said that DF is all level and grind. On the contrary, I'm one of the people who tried to help people understand that there is MORE to it than that. And I never played WoW, so nothing to go back to, man. I'm a Darkfall player, and I'm STAYING.
But although some character development is required to become more than just a target in PVP, claiming that it takes six months is absurd.
It`s not like we don`t have enough grind in Darkfall as it is. Does gear, money and mats fall from the sky on your server or do you avoid pvp to protect your stuff?
Nope....we farm for stuff. And we loot the groups who come down to pick fights. between the two, we do quite well. I wouldn't call farming a "grind" though....it's actually fun to group up with a few buds and go kill some shit.
Come on. Please explain the public why Darkfall need six months to get a low level PVP char?
...and this type of attitude is exactly why a lot of people don't want to play this game, because when somebody criticizes a part of the game, the player base screams/curses back at you to GO BACK TO WOW NOOB. Nice response there, have you ever wondered why people "go back to WoW"? They don't want to play with pricks like you, and they don't look at this game like it's a JOB. All I hear from this crowd is "you have to work for this, worth for that, work work work." I realize that this is an MMORPG, but the GRIND is not what makes the game, hate to break it to ya. The sad truth is that so many have accepted that MMORPGS consist nothing but grinding and PVP.
If you don't have anything intelligent to say, why not refrain from saying it? Thanks.
Generally because the same people here create thread after thread and post after post complaining about the "grind". Perhaps there is already a devoted player base that enjoys the game as it is and doesnt think things need to change. Yet every time i come here, the same people are posting the same argument again and again, making it seem like it is impossible to play the game if you didnt start when the game was released. They go on to denigrate the current player-base and say, if you disagree with their point of view, you must be a vet that istrying to protect their advantage.
There are hundreds of MMOs to play, pretty muchall containing a grind for skills/stats/gear. Find one you like and play it.
Not to mention the fact that no matter WHAT the original thread topic was, some asshat has to come in and start the grind whine, and derail it. FFS, if people don't see how this is diruptive and annoying, they're flat-out blind.
A couple weeks ago this forum was nice and clean. We were talking about places to get mats and gear, the balance of archery....ya know....game stuff. Now suddenly this new generation of trolls has appeared and we can't have a discussion on ANYTHING without "ZOMG!!! TEH GRIND!!!!!11!!1!!!" being interjected into every thread.
+1 this coming from someone that would like to try it but WILL NOT sit through a pve grind as such. If they took some of the pve grind out, cracked down on hackers and botters I would be interested in trying the game. Til these 2 things are addressed I'd imagine many will take the same stance.
Tbh I get the impression that many of the vets simply want to protect their advantage/leverage or whatever else you want to call it. Think about what the quoted post says "more pvp in a pvp game" how can that be bad? Never understood how hardcore pvpers would defend a bunk pve grind that isn't even hiden.
Most pvpers don`t support the grind in darkfall, because we can see it`s killing the game we like. We want more player, more pvp and more fun. We simply want less pve and more pvp
-If we liked the grind, would we have macroed everytime we got the chance?
-Would Xipher abuse a mob like the hivequeen if he liked the grind?
-Would Whargoul support the grind if he didn`t live on a safe island?
-Would Agricola support the grind if he couldn`t play 12-16 hour a day?
The grind supporters are the worst enemy a game like Darkfall can have. They are killing the game from inside. I do belive they like Darkfall, but it`s sad they can`t see outside their little box. And new players do like darkfall, atleast in the start. You can see it in the post from new players like Holdenhamlet. His dream is to make a police clan, but he will soon quit like the rest of the new players. The fucking grind is making 90% of the new players leave.
I have to go before I nerdrage again :P
Abuse a mob? Thats insinuating that its an exploit. Its not exploit, its designed that way, the mob has like 20hp. I do it because it reduces the grind on magic in general to a level that isn't a grind at all. I can max out any magic school execpt spell chanting hitting that mob for apporx 8hrs, where other mobs would take longer due to down time. Since I don't need to farm other mobs for cash anymore, at least not with magic, then I don't need the extra down time when skilling up.
I see the grind, everyone sees the grind, but theres a difference between seeing the grind and complaining about it 24/7. There are only 3 things in the game that consititutes a grind anymore: Self buffs/buff other, melee mastery, and HP. Stats would be on that list if having 50 more in a stat than someone else made a big enough difference to determine the out come of a fight. but it doesn't. These 3 things can be addressed by: making melee fun in general (its very bland and gets boring easily), increasing gains on buffs, and changing how HP is calculated (50str/vit should = ~320 hp). There, fixed.
If you see a grind outside the above its because you are trying to do too much in darkfall. You are trying to max out too many things when you really don't need to. 90% of fights end with both people using under 10 skills the entire fight, less if you aren't using magic.
Well, I've grinded some goblins, got ganked a bunch of times, did some gathering, killed 3 players and stole their loot. Rode around a bit and explored. Did some group grinding with my clan. Saved a clanmate from getting ganked. Was basically driven out of our clan's city by constant raiding (you may see this as a bad thing, but I see it as cool because that can't happen in any other game) In another few days I'll be raiding goblin spawns against fellow newbies and stealing their loot. More exciting things have happened in my first week in Darkfall then my first week in any other MMORPG. No, I didn't singlehandedly storm a clan's fortress and kill them all and take over the fortress, but that's ok by me. That can wait haha.
So it's exactly like UO?
How original.
Nothing will ever beat UO Siege Perilous. As soon as you change one thing, like FPS combat (which I hate in MMO) and you've already ruined it.
Well, I've grinded some goblins, got ganked a bunch of times, did some gathering, killed 3 players and stole their loot. Rode around a bit and explored. Did some group grinding with my clan. Saved a clanmate from getting ganked. Was basically driven out of our clan's city by constant raiding (you may see this as a bad thing, but I see it as cool because that can't happen in any other game) In another few days I'll be raiding goblin spawns against fellow newbies and stealing their loot. More exciting things have happened in my first week in Darkfall then my first week in any other MMORPG. No, I didn't singlehandedly storm a clan's fortress and kill them all and take over the fortress, but that's ok by me. That can wait haha.
So it's exactly like UO?
How original.
Nothing will ever beat UO Siege Perilous. As soon as you change one thing, like FPS combat (which I hate in MMO) and you've already ruined it.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
Well, I've grinded some goblins, got ganked a bunch of times, did some gathering, killed 3 players and stole their loot. Rode around a bit and explored. Did some group grinding with my clan. Saved a clanmate from getting ganked. Was basically driven out of our clan's city by constant raiding (you may see this as a bad thing, but I see it as cool because that can't happen in any other game) In another few days I'll be raiding goblin spawns against fellow newbies and stealing their loot. More exciting things have happened in my first week in Darkfall then my first week in any other MMORPG. No, I didn't singlehandedly storm a clan's fortress and kill them all and take over the fortress, but that's ok by me. That can wait haha.
So it's exactly like UO?
How original.
Nothing will ever beat UO Siege Perilous. As soon as you change one thing, like FPS combat (which I hate in MMO) and you've already ruined it.
I've heard a lot of people say it's like a 3D version of UO. I never played UO so I can't say, but those same people seem really happy about it.
...and this type of attitude is exactly why a lot of people don't want to play this game, because when somebody criticizes a part of the game, the player base screams/curses back at you to GO BACK TO WOW NOOB. Nice response there, have you ever wondered why people "go back to WoW"? They don't want to play with pricks like you, and they don't look at this game like it's a JOB. All I hear from this crowd is "you have to work for this, worth for that, work work work." I realize that this is an MMORPG, but the GRIND is not what makes the game, hate to break it to ya. The sad truth is that so many have accepted that MMORPGS consist nothing but grinding and PVP.
If you don't have anything intelligent to say, why not refrain from saying it? Thanks.
Generally because the same people here create thread after thread and post after post complaining about the "grind". Perhaps there is already a devoted player base that enjoys the game as it is and doesnt think things need to change. Yet every time i come here, the same people are posting the same argument again and again, making it seem like it is impossible to play the game if you didnt start when the game was released. They go on to denigrate the current player-base and say, if you disagree with their point of view, you must be a vet that istrying to protect their advantage.
There are hundreds of MMOs to play, pretty muchall containing a grind for skills/stats/gear. Find one you like and play it.
Not to mention the fact that no matter WHAT the original thread topic was, some asshat has to come in and start the grind whine, and derail it. FFS, if people don't see how this is diruptive and annoying, they're flat-out blind.
A couple weeks ago this forum was nice and clean. We were talking about places to get mats and gear, the balance of archery....ya know....game stuff. Now suddenly this new generation of trolls has appeared and we can't have a discussion on ANYTHING without "ZOMG!!! TEH GRIND!!!!!11!!1!!!" being interjected into every thread.
It's getting old.
Priceless they are trolls because they disagree w/ you on the grind? FYI YOU ARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE GRIND. You don't like the thread you could just not post ya know? I've been playing mmo's just as long as anyone else but some of us see no reason to grind for months before being truly pvp ready. Fact is I don't have the same amount of time I did when I was a kid and I think that goes for many of the old guard because "gasp" we have grown up and have a job, kids, etc. I've played all the mmo's from the past and I used to put up with the grind, guess what I out grew that and now I'm looking for a pvp game that isn't a job. If you somehow want to rationalize the need for a giant grind in a game that has no real pve content good for you but many of us see it as a hurdle keeping us from playing. I'm not going to bot or macro and I don't have 12 hours a day to grind get it? As the numbers fall because people like you refuse to see the core problems of the game enjoy your sinking ship, I have better stuff to do with my time thx.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
I know isn't it sad and terrible?
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is FFA PvP that actually has a GOOD combat system that is made for MMO's.
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is NOT FFA PvP and it'll be the most popular sandbox ever.
You guys DO know that the whole FFA PvP and FPS combat thing you love is keeping your games from ever taking off and becoming popular enough to maintain the sizable population needed for a sandbox game to truly thrive?
The only sandbox with a population high enough to actual make the sandbox work? EvE.
Why do you think this is?
Combat systems that are designed for the MMO space and High Security space.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
I know isn't it sad and terrible?
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is FFA PvP that actually has a GOOD combat system that is made for MMO's.
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is NOT FFA PvP and it'll be the most popular sandbox ever.
You guys DO know that the whole FFA PvP and FPS combat thing you love is keeping your games from ever taking off and becoming popular enough to maintain the sizable population needed for a sandbox game to truly thrive?
The only sandbox with a population high enough to actual make the sandbox work? EvE.
Why do you think this is?
Combat systems that are designed for the MMO space and High Security space.
One day, developers will learn.
One day developers will learn that people like you who want an easy combat system that requires little if any real player skill is a dying breed... oh wait they are. This is why more and more MMO are coming out with active combat systems, because the generation of gamers you belong to is waxing. Go play EvE.
Edit: I just saw you mentioned EvE. The only reason EvE has that high of a population is because it allows the casual player to do nothing but farm PvE all day just like 90% of MMOs on the market.The one thing that is different about the population that does only that is that they are usually older and scifi fanatics. High Sec space is the worst part of that game and its the most populated because people who can't hack the rest of the game but like the setting can sit there all day.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
I know isn't it sad and terrible?
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is FFA PvP that actually has a GOOD combat system that is made for MMO's.
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is NOT FFA PvP and it'll be the most popular sandbox ever.
You guys DO know that the whole FFA PvP and FPS combat thing you love is keeping your games from ever taking off and becoming popular enough to maintain the sizable population needed for a sandbox game to truly thrive?
The only sandbox with a population high enough to actual make the sandbox work? EvE.
Why do you think this is?
Combat systems that are designed for the MMO space and High Security space.
One day, developers will learn.
Eve has been out for 7 years and only recently (if my sense gathered from browsing gaming forums is correct) gained as high a population as it has. Darkafall has been out 1 year, and it's also an independent MMORPG, so it will improve at a slow pace.
I for one love fps combat in an MMOPRG. I don't even know if I'll be able to enjoy an MMORPG without it after playing Darkfall. Tab-targetting sucks.
So it's about "hacking it" is it? It's about being "better" players or "smarter" and as such you are ABLE to complete the challenging demands of such a difficult.... video game. In my opinion... It's about having the patience to deal with decades old game design philosophy. Older is not always better. Would you rather go to a doctor that practices all the modern and acceptable procedures or that old guy that still uses leaches? Don't EVER assume you are a higher breed of human for being old school. As a MMO gamer since UO beta I can be fairly certain I've been playing MMOs for as long if not signficantly longer the most. Problem is, I'm not clinging to extremely outdated design philosophies that were evolved well beyond for very rational and logical reasons.
If the older is what founded and captured the MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER experience and the newer is infested with just selling a singleplayer game experience that being sold as a pervert version of massive multiplayer game experience and a shadow of the former. I stick to the old.
MMORPG's from the good old days have been programmed for autonomous personalities who enjoy a harsh online experience and don't dare to find things on their own...needless to say who the salesmen of todays MMO's try to sell their MMO to..
The pioneers did know what MMORPG's are about the new generation developers don't want to deliver that, they want to make a fast doller..or better the pioneers of the old days progranmmed the game they wanted to play and the developers of today are employees working for sales and marketing division and they been told that 70% of people bettween 14 and 49 don't like FFA full loot game mechanic so john Doe the developer has to build in classes and maps and some story about unicorns and some colourfull marbles have been stolen, he shouldn't make it too diffcult anyway because it would turn 60% of the insta-gratification dudes away or the grandma that play the same game like the grandchild. The 10% of the players who want a challenge and a dangerous online world get ignored.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
-If we liked the grind, would we have macroed everytime we got the chance? -Would Xipher abuse a mob like the hivequeen if he liked the grind? -Would Whargoul support the grind if he didn`t live on a safe island? -Would Agricola support the grind if he couldn`t play 12-16 hour a day?
The grind supporters are the worst enemy a game like Darkfall can have. They are killing the game from inside. I do belive they like Darkfall, but it`s sad they can`t see outside their little box. And new players do like darkfall, atleast in the start. You can see it in the post from new players like Holdenhamlet. His dream is to make a police clan, but he will soon quit like the rest of the new players. The fucking grind is making 90% of the new players leave.
I have to go before I nerdrage again :P
These players are present in pretty much every game, defending whatever characteristic most people mention when they say the game is bad. It happens to be the huge PvE grind for Darkfall. They don't defend it for logical reasons they only defend it because they feel the need to support the game that they have invested in, which is why most of the 5 or so people who are always defending the grind on these forums are vets. If I have killed 20k mobs, of course I would be telling every person crying about the huge PvE grind to suck it up. These are usually the people left standing around after the game has died and there's no population left. In darkfall's case there will be a small group of players left standing around telling each other "There's no huge PvE grind" over and over and over again.
These players are present in pretty much every game, defending whatever characteristic most people mention when they say the game is bad. It happens to be the huge PvE grind for Darkfall. They don't defend it for logical reasons they only defend it because they feel the need to support the game that they have invested in, which is why most of the 5 or so people who are always defending the grind on these forums are vets. If I have killed 20k mobs, of course I would be telling every person crying about the huge PvE grind to suck it up. These are usually the people left standing around after the game has died and there's no population left. In darkfall's case there will be a small group of players left standing around telling each other "There's no huge PvE grind" over and over and over again.
If you're playing this game how the hell do you have so much time to expend repeating the same thing over and over again in every Darkfall thread. You've got some heavy grinding to do, so get out there and grind baby grind.
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Most pvpers don`t support the grind in darkfall, because we can see it`s killing the game we like. We want more player, more pvp and more fun. We simply want less pve and more pvp
-If we liked the grind, would we have macroed everytime we got the chance?
-Would Xipher abuse a mob like the hivequeen if he liked the grind?
-Would Whargoul support the grind if he didn`t live on a safe island?
-Would Agricola support the grind if he couldn`t play 12-16 hour a day?
The grind supporters are the worst enemy a game like Darkfall can have. They are killing the game from inside. I do belive they like Darkfall, but it`s sad they can`t see outside their little box. And new players do like darkfall, atleast in the start. You can see it in the post from new players like Holdenhamlet. His dream is to make a police clan, but he will soon quit like the rest of the new players. The fucking grind is making 90% of the new players leave.
I have to go before I nerdrage again :P
Yeah the grind sucks. games great they need like x10 to Stat gain and x3 (more) to skill gain off mobs.
but they need to collect as much $ as they can off the people they do have i mean there taking my money and i chop tree's and swim all day to grind my stats cuz my Skills are all done my stats are still laughable.
STR 60, Vit 62, Dex 39, Quickness 80, Intel 43, Wisdom 42
and thats after i maxed Archer, 2 weapons and maxed Witchcraft, spell chanting, lesser and greater magic. (im a Destroyer)
Anymore you need over 70 Vit and 70 Str to have a chance.
What rank weapon you use ? what armor you wear ? whats the opponents armor, whats the opponent rank of weapon please ?
How much of your hits did you miss, how much of your opponents hits you dodged ?
there is no sense in the word "grind" if those questions aren't properly answered.
Just a minority of the Darkfall playerbase think there is a problem with the grind anyway.
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What rank weapon you use ? what armor you wear ? whats the opponents armor, whats the opponent rank of weapon please ?
How much of your hits did you miss, how much of your opponents hits you dodged ?
there is no sense in the word "grind" if those questions aren't properly answered.
Just a minority of the Darkfall playerbase think there is a problem with the grind anyway.
Full Plate, Rank 50+ 2h great sword 70+ Mastery, Archery 80+ to all skills, 308 Health 351 Stamina 180 Mana (im destroyer mana is almost useless just used for heals and transfers)
BUT i know for a fact some one with 200 health dosn't stand a chance to someone with 300+
How dos health raise?
By grinding your Stats up!
First off, we just moved down there like last month. Second off, Cairn is ANYTHING but safe. There are like six guilds who raid the place all day, and all night long. But we organize and hunt them down / repel them, and when we PVE we do it in groups.
That said, this is a [mod edit] MMORPG, and as such, there is a difference between a n00b and a vet. It's a side effect of character progression.
Some people hear "fps aiming" and think "zomg!! an fps!!"
IT'S NOT AN FPS.
It has a "grind" (to use the popular term for *GASP* havint to advance your character to a given point) because ALL [mod edit] MMORPGS have a grind. It's not even that bad of a "grind" compared to many other games on the market, or in MMORPG history.
It's been tweaked and tuned by AV, and accellerated. But that's not good enough for these people here who just want to cry and scream in EVERY THREAD regardless of topic.
You want to be able to max all your skills in a month, so you can "compete" in pvp. Another month later you'd be bored, and leave....but the damage you whined for would be done.
You people do this in EVERY GAME that's released lately. You scream for nerfs, scream for faster gains, all so you can race through the content, get bored, and go back to WoW.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GRIND, DON'T [mod edit] PLAY.
FFS stop ruining games because you have the attention span of a gnat.
Don't whine about a game you don't like. JUST DON'T PLAY and let those who DO like it, enjoy it in peace.
Hallelujah brother!!
I do wisdom grinding while I study at day, at nights I go hunting gobos and other stuff. Win!
...and this type of attitude is exactly why a lot of people don't want to play this game, because when somebody criticizes a part of the game, the player base screams/curses back at you to GO BACK TO WOW NOOB. Nice response there, have you ever wondered why people "go back to WoW"? They don't want to play with pricks like you, and they don't look at this game like it's a JOB. All I hear from this crowd is "you have to work for this, worth for that, work work work." I realize that this is an MMORPG, but the GRIND is not what makes the game, hate to break it to ya. The sad truth is that so many have accepted that MMORPGS consist nothing but grinding and PVP.
If you don't have anything intelligent to say, why not refrain from saying it? Thanks.
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First, sorry for the cairn thing.
Second, I play more than you. Post your NPC kills.
Third, I`m almost done grinding. See my NPC kills
We only want faster pvp gains, so you can keep the manowar shipbuilding. And stop saying all the content in Darkfall is level and grind. You can go back to WOW if you think levels are all a mmo is about. DF really start when you got a developed char, that`s something ALL pvpers know. The six month boring npc killing for no other reason than level up is just stupid.
It`s not like we don`t have enough grind in Darkfall as it is. Does gear, money and mats fall from the sky on your server or do you avoid pvp to protect your stuff?
Come on. Please explain the public why Darkfall need six months to get a low level PVP char?
Generally because the same people here create thread after thread and post after post complaining about the "grind". Perhaps there is already a devoted player base that enjoys the game as it is and doesnt think things need to change. Yet every time i come here, the same people are posting the same argument again and again, making it seem like it is impossible to play the game if you didnt start when the game was released. They go on to denigrate the current player-base and say, if you disagree with their point of view, you must be a vet that istrying to protect their advantage.
There are hundreds of MMOs to play, pretty muchall containing a grind for skills/stats/gear. Find one you like and play it.
Forget what I said, I'm quitting anway.
Will be updated later.
First, sorry for the cairn thing.
Accepted.
Second, I play more than you. Post your NPC kills.
HIGHLY doubt it. Posting my NPC kills would be kinda pointless, since they were reset when I transferred from EU (along with my bank, ganks, etc). I play this game a LOT though.....always been a "hardcore" player, always will be.
Third, I`m almost done grinding. See my NPC kills
There is no "end"....you are never "done".
We only want faster pvp gains, so you can keep the manowar shipbuilding. And stop saying all the content in Darkfall is level and grind. You can go back to WOW if you think levels are all a mmo is about. DF really start when you got a developed char, that`s something ALL pvpers know. The six month boring npc killing for no other reason than level up is just stupid.
i think you have me confused with someone else. I've NEVER said that DF is all level and grind. On the contrary, I'm one of the people who tried to help people understand that there is MORE to it than that. And I never played WoW, so nothing to go back to, man. I'm a Darkfall player, and I'm STAYING.
But although some character development is required to become more than just a target in PVP, claiming that it takes six months is absurd.
It`s not like we don`t have enough grind in Darkfall as it is. Does gear, money and mats fall from the sky on your server or do you avoid pvp to protect your stuff?
Nope....we farm for stuff. And we loot the groups who come down to pick fights. between the two, we do quite well. I wouldn't call farming a "grind" though....it's actually fun to group up with a few buds and go kill some shit.
Come on. Please explain the public why Darkfall need six months to get a low level PVP char?
It doesn't.
Generally because the same people here create thread after thread and post after post complaining about the "grind". Perhaps there is already a devoted player base that enjoys the game as it is and doesnt think things need to change. Yet every time i come here, the same people are posting the same argument again and again, making it seem like it is impossible to play the game if you didnt start when the game was released. They go on to denigrate the current player-base and say, if you disagree with their point of view, you must be a vet that istrying to protect their advantage.
There are hundreds of MMOs to play, pretty muchall containing a grind for skills/stats/gear. Find one you like and play it.
Not to mention the fact that no matter WHAT the original thread topic was, some asshat has to come in and start the grind whine, and derail it. FFS, if people don't see how this is diruptive and annoying, they're flat-out blind.
A couple weeks ago this forum was nice and clean. We were talking about places to get mats and gear, the balance of archery....ya know....game stuff. Now suddenly this new generation of trolls has appeared and we can't have a discussion on ANYTHING without "ZOMG!!! TEH GRIND!!!!!11!!1!!!" being interjected into every thread.
It's getting old.
Abuse a mob? Thats insinuating that its an exploit. Its not exploit, its designed that way, the mob has like 20hp. I do it because it reduces the grind on magic in general to a level that isn't a grind at all. I can max out any magic school execpt spell chanting hitting that mob for apporx 8hrs, where other mobs would take longer due to down time. Since I don't need to farm other mobs for cash anymore, at least not with magic, then I don't need the extra down time when skilling up.
I see the grind, everyone sees the grind, but theres a difference between seeing the grind and complaining about it 24/7. There are only 3 things in the game that consititutes a grind anymore: Self buffs/buff other, melee mastery, and HP. Stats would be on that list if having 50 more in a stat than someone else made a big enough difference to determine the out come of a fight. but it doesn't. These 3 things can be addressed by: making melee fun in general (its very bland and gets boring easily), increasing gains on buffs, and changing how HP is calculated (50str/vit should = ~320 hp). There, fixed.
If you see a grind outside the above its because you are trying to do too much in darkfall. You are trying to max out too many things when you really don't need to. 90% of fights end with both people using under 10 skills the entire fight, less if you aren't using magic.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
So it's exactly like UO?
How original.
Nothing will ever beat UO Siege Perilous. As soon as you change one thing, like FPS combat (which I hate in MMO) and you've already ruined it.
So it's exactly like UO?
How original.
Nothing will ever beat UO Siege Perilous. As soon as you change one thing, like FPS combat (which I hate in MMO) and you've already ruined it.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
So it's exactly like UO?
How original.
Nothing will ever beat UO Siege Perilous. As soon as you change one thing, like FPS combat (which I hate in MMO) and you've already ruined it.
I've heard a lot of people say it's like a 3D version of UO. I never played UO so I can't say, but those same people seem really happy about it.
Generally because the same people here create thread after thread and post after post complaining about the "grind". Perhaps there is already a devoted player base that enjoys the game as it is and doesnt think things need to change. Yet every time i come here, the same people are posting the same argument again and again, making it seem like it is impossible to play the game if you didnt start when the game was released. They go on to denigrate the current player-base and say, if you disagree with their point of view, you must be a vet that istrying to protect their advantage.
There are hundreds of MMOs to play, pretty muchall containing a grind for skills/stats/gear. Find one you like and play it.
Not to mention the fact that no matter WHAT the original thread topic was, some asshat has to come in and start the grind whine, and derail it. FFS, if people don't see how this is diruptive and annoying, they're flat-out blind.
A couple weeks ago this forum was nice and clean. We were talking about places to get mats and gear, the balance of archery....ya know....game stuff. Now suddenly this new generation of trolls has appeared and we can't have a discussion on ANYTHING without "ZOMG!!! TEH GRIND!!!!!11!!1!!!" being interjected into every thread.
It's getting old.
Priceless they are trolls because they disagree w/ you on the grind? FYI YOU ARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE GRIND. You don't like the thread you could just not post ya know? I've been playing mmo's just as long as anyone else but some of us see no reason to grind for months before being truly pvp ready. Fact is I don't have the same amount of time I did when I was a kid and I think that goes for many of the old guard because "gasp" we have grown up and have a job, kids, etc. I've played all the mmo's from the past and I used to put up with the grind, guess what I out grew that and now I'm looking for a pvp game that isn't a job. If you somehow want to rationalize the need for a giant grind in a game that has no real pve content good for you but many of us see it as a hurdle keeping us from playing. I'm not going to bot or macro and I don't have 12 hours a day to grind get it? As the numbers fall because people like you refuse to see the core problems of the game enjoy your sinking ship, I have better stuff to do with my time thx.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
I know isn't it sad and terrible?
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is FFA PvP that actually has a GOOD combat system that is made for MMO's.
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is NOT FFA PvP and it'll be the most popular sandbox ever.
You guys DO know that the whole FFA PvP and FPS combat thing you love is keeping your games from ever taking off and becoming popular enough to maintain the sizable population needed for a sandbox game to truly thrive?
The only sandbox with a population high enough to actual make the sandbox work? EvE.
Why do you think this is?
Combat systems that are designed for the MMO space and High Security space.
One day, developers will learn.
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
I know isn't it sad and terrible?
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is FFA PvP that actually has a GOOD combat system that is made for MMO's.
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is NOT FFA PvP and it'll be the most popular sandbox ever.
You guys DO know that the whole FFA PvP and FPS combat thing you love is keeping your games from ever taking off and becoming popular enough to maintain the sizable population needed for a sandbox game to truly thrive?
The only sandbox with a population high enough to actual make the sandbox work? EvE.
Why do you think this is?
Combat systems that are designed for the MMO space and High Security space.
One day, developers will learn.
One day developers will learn that people like you who want an easy combat system that requires little if any real player skill is a dying breed... oh wait they are. This is why more and more MMO are coming out with active combat systems, because the generation of gamers you belong to is waxing. Go play EvE.
Edit: I just saw you mentioned EvE. The only reason EvE has that high of a population is because it allows the casual player to do nothing but farm PvE all day just like 90% of MMOs on the market.The one thing that is different about the population that does only that is that they are usually older and scifi fanatics. High Sec space is the worst part of that game and its the most populated because people who can't hack the rest of the game but like the setting can sit there all day.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
FPS combat is the wave of the future. Every sandbox coming out in the near future with FFA PvP has FPS combat.
I know isn't it sad and terrible?
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is FFA PvP that actually has a GOOD combat system that is made for MMO's.
One day, someone will make a sandbox MMO that is NOT FFA PvP and it'll be the most popular sandbox ever.
You guys DO know that the whole FFA PvP and FPS combat thing you love is keeping your games from ever taking off and becoming popular enough to maintain the sizable population needed for a sandbox game to truly thrive?
The only sandbox with a population high enough to actual make the sandbox work? EvE.
Why do you think this is?
Combat systems that are designed for the MMO space and High Security space.
One day, developers will learn.
Eve has been out for 7 years and only recently (if my sense gathered from browsing gaming forums is correct) gained as high a population as it has. Darkafall has been out 1 year, and it's also an independent MMORPG, so it will improve at a slow pace.
I for one love fps combat in an MMOPRG. I don't even know if I'll be able to enjoy an MMORPG without it after playing Darkfall. Tab-targetting sucks.
So it's about "hacking it" is it?
It's about being "better" players or "smarter" and as such you are ABLE to complete the challenging demands of such a difficult....
video game.
In my opinion...
It's about having the patience to deal with decades old game design philosophy. Older is not always better.
Would you rather go to a doctor that practices all the modern and acceptable procedures or that old guy that still uses leaches?
Don't EVER assume you are a higher breed of human for being old school.
As a MMO gamer since UO beta I can be fairly certain I've been playing MMOs for as long if not signficantly longer the most.
Problem is, I'm not clinging to extremely outdated design philosophies that were evolved well beyond for very rational and logical reasons.
If the older is what founded and captured the MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER experience and the newer is infested with just selling a singleplayer game experience that being sold as a pervert version of massive multiplayer game experience and a shadow of the former. I stick to the old.
MMORPG's from the good old days have been programmed for autonomous personalities who enjoy a harsh online experience and don't dare to find things on their own...needless to say who the salesmen of todays MMO's try to sell their MMO to..
The pioneers did know what MMORPG's are about the new generation developers don't want to deliver that, they want to make a fast doller..or better the pioneers of the old days progranmmed the game they wanted to play and the developers of today are employees working for sales and marketing division and they been told that 70% of people bettween 14 and 49 don't like FFA full loot game mechanic so john Doe the developer has to build in classes and maps and some story about unicorns and some colourfull marbles have been stolen, he shouldn't make it too diffcult anyway because it would turn 60% of the insta-gratification dudes away or the grandma that play the same game like the grandchild. The 10% of the players who want a challenge and a dangerous online world get ignored.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
These players are present in pretty much every game, defending whatever characteristic most people mention when they say the game is bad. It happens to be the huge PvE grind for Darkfall. They don't defend it for logical reasons they only defend it because they feel the need to support the game that they have invested in, which is why most of the 5 or so people who are always defending the grind on these forums are vets. If I have killed 20k mobs, of course I would be telling every person crying about the huge PvE grind to suck it up. These are usually the people left standing around after the game has died and there's no population left. In darkfall's case there will be a small group of players left standing around telling each other "There's no huge PvE grind" over and over and over again.
If you're playing this game how the hell do you have so much time to expend repeating the same thing over and over again in every Darkfall thread. You've got some heavy grinding to do, so get out there and grind baby grind.