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As I recal LOTRO only offerd a Life time subscription for a very limited amount of time after release, not as an on-going feature.
Now, at the time I would definatly not wanted that, lotro at the begging was utter fail for me, hmm.. but now, yea sometimes I do want to just jump on and do some monster play.
But then, they do still charge for their expansions, so I probably wouldnt be completly satisfied.
I would NEVER get a lifetime sub to a game I never tried, or have not tried long.
Investing into a lifetime sub for a game you have NOT proven will hold you long is just NOT logical.
Really, how can you justify investing into a lifetime sub before really knowing you want to stick with the game for a lifetime?
That's sorta like marrying someone you never met, then getting angry you don't like them when you meet them.
lotro still offers a lifetime sub, it just costs more than it did at launch and they have specials, usually every 6 months or so.
This thread kind of bums me out. Not because I disagree with it, I've not played STO at all. But I don't like to see MMOs fail because it makes it harder to attract investors. Also, I am a longtime ST fan and it's sad what they've done when they had so much potential. I had thoughts of someday subbing up, once a lot of the problems were cleared up. But now it looks like that will never happen.
I see it exactly opposite. By killing off the crap games, developers get an idea for what works and what doesn't. To redeem this genre you will have to kill it first. And that means failure on a massive scale that makes developers rethink where they have been taking the genre for the last few years.
Developers, yes, but not investors. Investors tend to look at stats like "2 out of 5 mmos fail within 2 years" (totally made up be me). The more failures there are, the more likely investors will look to other things to invest their money in.
Even so, I'm still kinda bummed cause I like ST and I guess it'll be a longtime, if ever, that there'll be a decent ST MMO for me to play.
I found this it's Been keep under raps and thay are threatening players now as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RPy9TvK2sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ho0vkR0Ww&feature=channel
OMG A Cheet
Firetroll999 — April 12, 2010 — This is Video of Star Trek Online Monday April 12 2010, Unlock or easter egg or some kinda of bug.
I have reported this to GM's minys times and asked for my account to be fixed all i get are closed tickits
yes this unfair to all members a like i seen miny player useing exeter skills and now i have proff of it.
yes it can be dup.
I have asked Cryptic Studios for refund of their products
Customer Response
on 4/8/2010
Customer would like to have a refund for their products. They are reproaching Cryptic of violating their own EULA since the same people are abusing of the cheats and Cryptic does not keep the game clear and fair for every one.
i was told on Phone by Crytic todayon Monday April 12 2010 Don't Rock The Boat or elss further action will be taken on My account! sound like he's threatening me on phone !
and No Refund! for me
this been going on 3 month old Now
Customer Service Response
Greetings, Thank you for contacting Cryptic Studios. Cryptic Studios does not issue subscription refunds per the terms of service located at http://www.startrekonline.com/terms_o... in section 7 and http://startrekonline.com/terms_of_use section v. For more information regarding our terms of service please see either http://champions-online.com/terms_of_use or http://startrekonline.com/terms_of_se... If you have any additional questions, please feel free to let us know. Regards, Cryptic Studios Billing Support
I don't think you can really come to the OP's conclusion about the state of the game with the provided information. I agree that the game has some major issues and was a far cry from what most of us hoped it would be, but things are probably not as dire as many claim.
As for lifetime subscribers trying to get refunds... I think it is absolutely ridiculous that any of them would think they are entitled to any sort of refund. They bought the product at a high price knowing full well that the game may not be what they want it to be. They were delivered the product as promised and have been playing it for quite a while now. While I agree that Cryptic did not make a very good game in STO, I do not think anyone who purchased it is deserving of a refund.
100% agree.
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I am a LTS. I have played STO through Closed and Open Beta. I thourghly enjoy the game. The two posts that the person linked at the top of this thread are from two individuals TWO. Now, how does that become "Lifers Starting to Bail"? What has happened is that there a a number of people that burned through the content expecting something that STO never (NEVER) said it would be. Those people are now discontented because they made that assumption and are posting on every forum they can find as much doom and gloom regarding STO as they can possilby write. It is far from the truth in most cases. Again, I am a LTS and I am staying and keeping my account.....as are the other four of my friends that I have played MMO's with for years.
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Good luck and have fun.... LOL We all have our likes and dislikes of games, just that mine happen to be in the majority..
Have a great day
How do lifers "bail" a game? Cancel their expensive account into the ashes of the net?
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I don't know, if I found on multiple forums that a game was getting pretty much negative press from the majority of posters, I would think "maybe the game is just that bad" not "there's an underground conspiracy running a smear campaign against STO".
Well I guess a lot of people were expecting STO to be fun, but I don't remember any statement by cryptic that "STO will never be fun". What is it exactly the people expecting that cryptic never claimed?
If you like the game then great for you and your four friends.
I am stunned you guys are still...STILL(!) trying to drag out the "burned through the content" angle at this point though. That is laughable. I took 2.5 weeks to reach cap in the game, just playing as I would any game time wise.
Here we are months later, months(!) and you want to trot out that old chestnut? Lol.
What were they expecting as they "burned" through the 87 missions launched with the game exactly? An MMO? Content to enjoy? A reason to log in? Tell me, I am curious.
Seriously. You can't even articulate what Cryptic NEVER said the game was going to be. Stick to the "All web sites, magazines, forums and word of mouth are just haters from Blizzard!1!" You migh have more credibility.
Yours was a joke post wasn't it? Yeah, you got me.
I like the new arguement over there that if you play more than an hour a day you're a power gamer.
Unfortunately I am an ST fan and Cryptic fan but I found myself wondering if anyone on earth could force themselves to play STO for an MMO amount of time, it's that bad.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
These guys will swear that water isn't wet if it fits this week's excuse for STO's circling the drain.
I'll never buy a lifetime because the way i see it is once you do, you give up all power you have as a consumer for that product. If i dislike a game or the way it's headed, i can simply cast my vote via the cancel button thus taking my marbles and going home... or to another game.
Indeed.
It has to do with knowing yourself, knowing whether there are core parts of the game that you will continue to enjoy for years. Many things change in the lifetime of an MMO, but if you buy an LTS for the right reasons then the changes won't matter.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
Well stated point and truth in fact, I for one don't feel I'm even close to being in an income bracket to drop 200 + for lifetime subs to a single game but if I were these are the types of things I would be looking for before committing myself to a lifetime sub for a game.
This is also why I question the validity of the claims that there are so many lifers up in arms over this situation, I don't think the very very little there is to STO is all that bad, infact for the first two months I had a fairly good time playing it's when you realize that you will never find yourself doing much more than playing an updated version of Galaga that the problems start ,a total lack of alternative content and very little variety to what is there kills the game.
But I must say while it won't stop anytime soon I suspect I think devs need to stop offering lifetime subs at launch and maybe not do so until they are a year in which if I remember right it was how Turbine did with LOTRO and you saw very little of this kind of backlash. With new games there is just too little known about exactly what we will be getting into and it is at the least very cheap of devs to take advantage of the fanboi in us all, especially when after they allow that fanboism to allow them to release a lackluster game and then blame the community for the negative reaction to it.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
It's not a hidden fact many people are angry with the game and the worthless patching being put out by them. But as far as lifers go.....well you were stupid to do it, so live with it BTW you can still get it. Cryptic will not allow the whine and stuff on the forum as it's a mood killer for so many, and some if not all might be true some people take things to the extreme.
I did enjoy my first week or 2 of the game until i got to max level and had jack crpa to do. Rerolling was utterly boring as it's just the same mission different name usually. Combat (pvp ) is a bit bland and needs alot of polishing. Tere was a bit of hope for a few weeks during beta, and first week of launch cryptic would actually fix the game and launch with real content, sadly they failed something horrid.
So as far as the state of the game goes no matter how much they try to polish the PR to make it sound they are doing well, stock and player activity says a different story. We had roughly 75 active players at launch all decent friends and we talk on vent/ts all the time about 4-5 login now to STO many guilds went down hill because people seen the game for what it is.....a turd.
First week before launch I told my friend to cancel his CE set and just wait, and then he got a life-time sub sent prolly 300=400 on it now kicking himself in the ass. Funny part is the many different CE/BOx perks some people had to have all of........god i bet they feel like idiots now.
Odd that you mention that, the whole knowing yourself thing and content for years because thats exactly the problem.
I cant sit here and say in my own opinion that the game sux, I can say that I know whats there now was not designed for "years" of gameplay. Thats my problem with the game, you play for a month or two and thats it, you have totally experienced sto. The game lacks depth yet has so much possibility. It was sold to fans who have years of knowledge about the ip. Those people are expecting that content and wont be getting it any time soon.
Now when you look at the core game, the framework so many speak of sure, I can agree said framework is there, but you cant keep a decent subscription rate with framework, especially if you cant expand apon it with any real depth.
Thats why I cancelled. The game needs lots of time and better direction and until it gets it, Im not paying for it. As for lifers leaving, I could care less, seriously lifers get a refund on that cyan if you can and roll if thats your plan but I personaly cant sit here and wait a year paying for a game that has me rolling alts as content.
It's hard to bail on a sinking ship when you've already paid for the boat.
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