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Ok, this is why the celestial steed purchase arrangement sucks.
When I play a subscription game, my expectation is that I can access any content the game offers. That doesn't mean I won't have to do things. Obviously if I want to access raid content I need to raid, and if I want access to PvP content I have to PvP. But whatever they put in the game that can be done, I have a chance to do it for my $15 bucks a month.
With this paid for mount, there is no way inside the game I can get it. I have to give them extra money if I want the mount. That opens a door to their introducing more and more paid for only content. Making $4 million in 4 hours gives them a big incentive to do that.
So now WoW is moving farther down the road of the greedy game companies that want you to pay a monthly subscription AND use a cash shop.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I fully understand your concerns however... your cable company offers you "turbo" speed for extra money per month and you get more speed out of your internet for that service. Almost all goods and services have pay scales. We may not like it but its a reality and its nothing new. The power of the all mighty dollar!
Capitalism taken to the max baby.
MMO-Doubters wild accusations and slippery slope arguments are starting to remind me of Glen Beck.
Even though you have no proof of your sensationalist claims that doesnt stop you from flooding the board of a game you no longer play with your propaganda.
However, its hard to take anything seriously from someone that wants everything handed to him for free.
Are you suggesting that Blizzard is not making a profit on sub fees?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
$15 a month (plus box costs) isn't free.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
But that time is over. When a company pulls in over 2 million dollars in a day then the days of getting everything for one price is over. The market says so.
They're charging... for one item... nearly the cost of an expansion?
And it looks like people are STILL buying...
More money than sense.
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Are you suggesting that you know their finances?
edit: My point was this, two individual services have two individual fees.
And it's this whole SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT thing that has "dumbed-down" (I hate the term, but will use it for lack of a better one) the entire WoW experience to what it is today and is one reason why many of the original WoW vets have left and are continuing to leave. Oh sure...they're getting enough new players to keep the game sub base stable over the past two years, but they are not INCREASING the sub base. That comes from Blizzard's OWN reports. In other words....the number of people leaving is about equivalent to the number coming on board, so....it has finally leveled off. Eventually, it might start going backwards. I think Cataclysm is an attempt to circumvent that possible downward dip, amongst other things.
But back to my initial point....
The sense of entitlement that some gamers seem to have about being "owed" all game content just for a subscription fee is what is causing the entire game "nerf" scenario. Everything must be accessible to players of all play styles and people that are able to invest anyhwere from 2 hours a week to 12 hours a day. Being able to BUY via RMT in game items could probably also be considered a part of this, what I choose to call, "sense of entitlement epidemic."
You know...with most hobbies if you don't have the time and money for the hobby....you just choose a different hobby or realize and settle for the fact that you won't be as good at that hobby as others that are involved in it and able to give more to it.
As an example, let's say you pay fees at the Hillside Country Club and you're a golfer. Because you pay these fees doesn't mean that you're going to necessarily have the best golf clubs, play the best game, have the best caddy, be equally competitive, and have the coolest ugly plaid pants on the golf course, does it? No. Yes....for everyone who loves to dog my analogies....I know it's not the PERFECT analogy, but it's just as ignorant as the sense of entitlement some gamers seem to have about MMORPGs.
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Expecting that all in-game content be available to be earned in-game is not the same 'entitlement' as expecting to go and fight the Lich King when you ding 80.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Life being 'unfair' is no excuse for something (the game environment) we can control encouraging inequality.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Quoting for emphasis
$25 for a virtual sparkly horse that doesn't do anything the "free" mount can't do, and people just throw money at Blizzard for it.
Holy
Shit
It may be just another fluff item, but it's still another company trying to maximise greed. Redgardless of it not having any more ability than sub based mounts you are not allowed to get it through sub based gameplay. Pathetic.
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Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end
Where I think the Blizzard Store may go next
1) Cosmetic outfits similar to Lotro
2)paid for class changes
3) premium emotes and dances .
4)player housing and vanity furnature items ( the sims in warcraft )
5) pimp your character with a downloadable program that goes beyond current character creation .
I dont think it will stop there and the first thing you will see before Blizzard goes from Vanity/Fluff items into true cash store mode will be some sort of XPboost/Rep Boost . I'm sure plenty of you will argue this wont ever happen but remember ....
less than a year ago plenty of you were argueing that paid for flying mounts would never happen .Blizzard will take this as far as they can . They are a buisness after all .
It's a free scaling (with riding skill) mount for ALL of your characters on that account. Including ones you haven't rolled yet. Pay the $25 and you never need to buy a mount again.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
blizzard is ingenious. I do think there next move is going to be adding vanity junk to entice players to spend more money. I personally am starting to hate what blizzard is doing for the mainstream games. They are a powerhouse in the gaming world now and alot of companies are following their lead and it just saddens me that this is probably going to start becoming normal to pay a subscription and have a CS that sells not only cosmetic items but things like mounts and who knows what else.
Oh to be a fly on the wall during the EA/ SOE/ NC Soft Board meetings..
"We have been doing this cash shop stuff and mounts for years! Blizzard farts out a stencil horse and makes millions in hours?"
"What can we do to get these buyers?"
"Darth Vader pets?"
:;glare at Smedley again::
"Roper what the hell you doing? You haven't been listening to one word!"
...uh, um.. EVE?
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That's still not worth $25. Not even close. Especially since most of the mounts themselves are cheap as hell and generally look a lot cooler.
So I repeat:
$25.00...
...for a virtual sparkly horse...
HOH
LEE
SHEET
I was angry at Blizzard at first, but then I realized that I'd probably do the same if I had thousands of idiots ready to throw money at me for whatever tiny little addon I crapped out in a day or two.
If blizzard put the time in to make a new mount, I would want to be able to earn it in game. If Blizzard does not allow me to earn the mount in game i would quit. I would not come on forums and whine about it, I would just take my 15 dollars a month away from blizzard.
For me to play an MMO I must be allowed to earn everything with in the game. And in EVE online i can even earn my sub fee with in-game currency. So don't use that as an example of me contradicting myself as PLEX is the exact opposite of a mount that can be only purchased in a store.
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I agree. There is no point in subbing to a game if your sub does not pay for the whole game. Many people have been defending this position by saying that the item is just fluff. Well, no other fluff item can be used between characters.
By creating schemes for revenue aside from paying monthly tells me that Blizzard has reached its plateau. They no longer care about adding new players to the game. They are now simply trying to milk their current subscriber base for every bit of money thay can get.
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You can, its call the Invincible mount, just different skin.
Next stop, i bet they will be putting BOA gear in store, and maybe even wings
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I don't play the game so I just wanted to ask you a question. This Invincible mount you speak of, does it let you use it for all your characters or just one? From what I've read in this thread the new mount allows you to use it between all chars you have, PLUS future ones.
If Blizzard has a 'similar' mount in game you can quest for it isn't so bad, but still, paying extra money for a skin that you can't get in the regular monthly sub just doesn't sit right by me.
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Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end
Nobody complained when the zebra mount was only available out of game (recruit a friend). Nobody complained when the spectral tiger mount was only available out of game (WoW TCG). Even better, these two mounts have no 'similar' mount in game at all.