I buff myself to HP cap, and I fully support this change.
More people able to play, more competition? Sounds fucking awesome to me.
People whining that their AFK grind time's isn't going to make them tower over noob as much as they used to? Get some fucking balls, perspective, and/or self-esteem.
This is what we have been telling the korean grinders for a year now, but they simply wont listen.
I don`t buy the "I want a long term goal" they hide behind any longer. They just want to keep the high level advantage to be able to kill low level players. They rather see an empty failing DF than letting new players get a fair fighting chance. I have to ask the grinders if they really play Darkfall. It`s not like you get away from the mob grind with a high level char if you play and pvp in this game. I have to spend hours to replace my siege gear when I die a few times. High end gear and enchants doesn`t fall into my bank. But I don`t think the grinders play darkfall, they are probably on some safe descolate island killing stupid NPC`s.
I know all these kiddies like to pretend that I and anyone else who likes long term progression and competitive gaming just wants to beat up other players with their advanced characters because its such a HUGE advantage that the other guy doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell, right?. It is funny the babies still say that, even in a game like Darkfall where player skill and numbers are the greatest determining factors. Its so much easier to blame the game than blame yourself, weaklings do it all the time to justify why they suck. You know who you are. Don't come bashing on me b/c im better than you, there are always going to be people that are better than you, you just make yourself look like a pathetic whiney moron when you blame the game.
This post is about advanced characters getting killed simply b/c they are vs more than one opponent. Darkfall is rarely about 1v1 and competitive gamers need to be able to 2v1 and 3v1 the noobs and nakeds to keep them playing. When a 1.5 year vet has a 100 hp difference between two, two week old characters it is going to suck. Not like in WoW and other pvp mmorpgs where you don't stand a chance outnumbered nomatter how much skill you have, that is why I don't play games like WoW.
It is going to be so lame when 1 year vets get killed by two, two week old chars because the 1 year vet doesn't have enough of an HP difference to survive the damage long enough to get both those oversized HP pools down. I just wish I could see the look on the whiney babies faces when they realize the game was better when they stood a chance against two opponents after they had invested 1 year into character development. Maybe some day you whiney babies will have invested enough time into your character that you think you should be able to fight two semi-noobs at the same time and win but you won't be able to b/c you still suck and the game wont allow you to now that its been ruined by the masses of whiners who constantly try to make the game easier.
You aren't a competitive gamer. You are a gamer who wants an advantage over other players based on time investment ...big difference. Don't get me wrong though, I believe time investment should have an advantage but it sure as hell doesn't maek you competitive by any means.
This, I think trashburnin is just a troll who will say stuff that will kill the game eventually like, Darkfall is in a fine state atm.
Darkfall just got a shot with a 50 calibur round through the stomache, these band aid patches/expansion the devs are throwing at us aint doing sht for making the population rise/return, June expansion needs to be a some huge revamps, and the df 2010 expansion in q4 needs to be a huge EXPANSION OF CONTENT, either one of these expansions(I will call them patches, because all expansion thus far been nothing more than a big-medium patch) then this game will fail IN MY PERSONAL Opinion, sure it may pull a shadowbane, and have 500 people for 7 years, but in my eyes and most of the mmorpg/gaming community, the game is a failure.
Most games increase in population especially after waiting a year after release.
The only way to make the population rise is to make the game more accessible to new players. I know they are trying to do this with some of their changes to stat gains, but I don't know if it will be enough. If new players still feel like they have 6 months of hard grinding to get competitive, they will continue to leave. Nothing will change until that perception changes...
I'm not saying I have a solution... Really anything they do at this point will piss of lots of people. If they significantly reduce the grind, the existing playerbase will feel screwed and revolt. If they don't significantly reduce the grind, new players will continue to leave. There is no way to please everyone... unless of course they somehow add enough fun CONTENT to the game that the grind doesn't seem as bad to newer players OR reduce the grind and give older players something else to focus their time and attention on other than grinding. Either way, that would be very tough to pull off at this state of the game...
The only way to make the population rise is to make the game more accessible to new players. I know they are trying to do this with some of their changes to stat gains, but I don't know if it will be enough. If new players still feel like they have 6 months of hard grinding to get competitive, they will continue to leave. Nothing will change until that perception changes...
I'm not saying I have a solution... Really anything they do at this point will piss of lots of people. If they significantly reduce the grind, the existing playerbase will feel screwed and revolt. If they don't significantly reduce the grind, new players will continue to leave. There is no way to please everyone... unless of course they somehow add enough fun CONTENT to the game that the grind doesn't seem as bad to newer players OR reduce the grind and give older players something else to focus their time and attention on other than grinding. Either way, that would be very tough to pull off at this state of the game...
There's still a large amount of players (even vets) who are asking the game to be more "accessible". By making the game more accessible, you not only allow new players to be more competitive quickly, but you're always helping Vets by giving them plenty of PvP, which is what DarkFall is supposed to be about. Regardless of what they do, Aventurine will lose subs temporarily. But it's a healthy loss of subs, as more players will join and make up for it.
The graphical update in my opinion is not exactly needed. I'd rather AV focus on fixing core features and systems that are broken such as Alignement system, Balancing Magic, Archery and Melee, etc. Giving more incentives for clans to go RAC instead of ARAC. Bring more of the promised features ("Owning" NPC Cities, able to create shop in NPC Cities, hire mercenary NPC and merchant NPC, etc).
I personally don't hate the current graphics, even though Elves looks horrible in certain armors. I'd still prefer if AV would flesh out the game a bit more based on promised features and bring more PvP. Prestige Class has little effect on PvP after all.
I really do not understand some people there problem. You play a game to have fun. If you had a year of fun then why would you care if someone can become just as good as you in a shorter time? How does this change you game? It is called win-win.
You need it if you have a problem with stuff like this!
Coman, thank you for the amazingly simple insight that seems to elude so many gamers who play competitive games. The fun is in the journey. For players in a PvP game the fun seems to boil down to defeating, fighting, winning, and even losing in a fair fight.
I admit I don't play DF. But that's because I like my fun in a steady flow that I get from a PvE game. Where I either play on my own at my own pace or I team up with friends to play together cooperatively to achieve goals. If DF could include PvE with more depth of purpose--perhaps including a deep body of lore--I think it would attract and keep more players than it does now.
I have never played this game (due to all the bad feedback it has had).
Anyways, yes i can understand why teh long term players are not happy about a change such as this, but i can also see (from forum posts about being killed constantly) by long termed players vs new players. from what i have read this is a constant thing (like many PvP games) people love to camp and kill the new players/lower ended players constantly, untill eventually they just give up playing. Yes i have had this happen myself on PvP servers and yes after 2-3 weeks i have given up, i can stand being picked on but not continously camped so its impossible to get any play or enjoyment.
Now, maybe not all players have done this but the ones that do it constantly are the ones to blame (only takes a percentage to ruin it for the rest). From what some have said the server is pretty empty, that to me says olders are leaving due to boredom, newer players are leaving due to be continually ganked all the time = nobody new is comming up = server populations decreasing = eventually server gets turned off unless something is done.
Thats teh way i see things with not just Darkfall but many other mmo's.
To OP: Competitive players play Counter Strike, Darkfall was and still is a grinder.
AV are aware that 4-6 months is too long to reac pvp. So for the next update, it wont be worst. We all said that we would be ok with 3 months. Also, AV might let us macro without kicking us out unless we macro under tower protection.
Vet players get also constantly killed and except Ginger M. they accept it cause its Darkfall and you will die a lot.
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Vet players get also constantly killed and except Ginger M. they accept it cause its Darkfall and you will die a lot.
The difference is that I have 100 better chances of surival with M9 agaist a guy with M60 in Bad Company 2 then after 3 months of playing Darkfall. That's one of the reasons why I don't bother any more about it, I even removed the instalation files I won't be back this time.
I had enough of Boredom of Grind and lack of immersion in the game just to mention a few: slot machines, sea fortresses, choas chests spawning from a god's ass, siege stones ( WTF is that shit ? ). Furthermore I was hugely disappointed with the conquest system and the state of the economy in the game. Both of them are a missed opportunity to create a complex and immersive game and not just a Quake clone with a bigger map.
From my experience with AV patches and "expansions" I don't see the game go in the direction I was hoping for, not saying that most of their patches are nothing else then bug fixes and crude fast fixes for lack of proper content.
Vet players get also constantly killed and except Ginger M. they accept it cause its Darkfall and you will die a lot.
The difference is that I have 100 better chances of surival with M9 agaist a guy with M60 in Bad Company 2 then after 3 months of playing Darkfall. That's one of the reasons why I don't bother any more about it, I even removed the instalation files I won't be back this time.
I had enough of Boredom of Grind and lack of immersion in the game just to mention a few: slot machines, sea fortresses, choas chests spawning from a god's ass, siege stones ( WTF is that shit ? ). Furthermore I was hugely disappointed with the conquest system and the state of the economy in the game. Both of them are a missed opportunity to create a complex and immersive game and not just a Quake clone with a bigger map.
From my experience with AV patches and "expansions" I don't see the game go in the direction I was hoping for, not saying that most of their patches are nothing else then bug fixes and crude fast fixes for lack of proper content.
The problem is in my opinion that it took AV far too long to realise that "hardcore" players arent the customers they want for the game. If i remember the time pre release and compare now. These are worlds in between. The main problem for AV is that only people who left playing are these "hardcore" players. So if they want to reach again the new customers, they have to change the game so the community stays and new can get in. The balance of this what i would say very hard (SWG is worst case scenario). If im honest i would say that they had a chance for a community of 100k + players at start, but too many things went wrong (AVs fault, communitys fault what ever, as it doesnt matter anymore).
Even if they change these settings to casual friendly (no insane grind anymore), i got small hope that it will help game, as bad word of mouth is poison for a game. Ive never seen a game which recovered out of such situation (maybe AoC?). We can speculate as much we wont, but there is nothing what would help as to wait and see how they do it.
lol, you people are such morons. You think the Darkfall population has peaked when they haven't even release a box version yet. Just accept the fact Darkfall was not for you and move on, plenty of us like the game how it is and plenty more will when box version is realease, I don't want to play with the general population of retards who can't handle a little grind anyway, they are just weaklings who should find an easier game instead of trying to ruin mine.
this is like the political opinions of 12 year olds, seriously, you kids have NFI what you are talking about and don't know what is good for DFO. They are never going to massivly reduce the grind enough for you weakling babies. Just find another game that you don't suck at so you don't have to come on the forums and whine about how the game needs to be changed to some game you liked to attract new players like a dumbass despite the fact there isn't even a box version on the shelves yet .
you know what the stupid kids do? they go buy a game that was too difficult for them and then of course they can't do well at it so they go to the forums and whine and bitch about how the game needs to be changed to make it easier for them so they can be able to do as well as anyone else. You know who you are. Find an easier game babies, Darkfall was not for you if you don't already love it. There are plenty of us who like the game how is it and don't need the grind reduced to allow a few weakminded shit players in. The difference is, we are actually playing DF instead of comming on the forums and whining about how a game that we don't even play needs to be changed to increase population like an idiot, even though there isn't a box version on the sleves yet.
I dont know how many times i have to repeat it for these idiots to realise.
THERE IS NO BOX VERSION YET, YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT FEW PLAYERS ARE INVALID.
Quit blaming the game for why you suck at take a good look at yourself. Find another easier game instead of trying to ruin mine scrubs. DF is obviously too hard for you and I love it that way.
lol, you people are such morons. You think the Darkfall population has peaked when they haven't even release a box version yet. Just accept the fact Darkfall was not for you and move on, plenty of us like the game how it is and plenty more will when box version is realease, I don't want to play with the general population of retards who can't handle a little grind anyway, they are just weaklings who should find an easier game instead of trying to ruin mine.
this is like the political opinions of 12 year olds, seriously, you kids have NFI what you are talking about and don't know what is good for DFO. They are never going to massivly reduce the grind enough for you weakling babies. Just find another game that you don't suck at so you don't have to come on the forums and whine about how the game needs to be changed to some game you liked to attract new players like a dumbass despite the fact there isn't even a box version on the shelves yet .
you know what the stupid kids do? they go buy a game that was too difficult for them and then of course they can't do well at it so they go to the forums and whine and bitch about how the game needs to be changed to make it easier for them so they can be able to do as well as anyone else. You know who you are. Find an easier game babies, Darkfall was not for you if you don't already love it. There are plenty of us who like the game how is it and don't need the grind reduced to allow a few weakminded shit players in. The difference is, we are actually playing DF instead of comming on the forums and whining about how a game that we don't even play needs to be changed to increase population like an idiot, even though there isn't a box version on the sleves yet.
I dont know how many times i have to repeat it for these idiots to realise.
THERE IS NO BOX VERSION YET, YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT FEW PLAYERS ARE INVALID.
Quit blaming the game for why you suck at take a good look at yourself. Find another easier game instead of trying to ruin mine scrubs. DF is obviously too hard for you and I love it that way.
So again, you feel the need to insult other forum members because you are unable to back up your argument with any relevant facts. I don't even understand how you can use something that does not exist to explain the low population.
Retail boxes are not as popular as they were in the past. Nowadays, it's far more common for users to download their game online. xFire, Steam, Direct2Drive, etc......beside, all the players who have played DarkFall so far have downloaded the game from AV's website. Retail Boxes won't bring any meaningful subs. Sure they are a few people who'd rather have a boxed version instead of downloading the 9 GB client, but notice the keyword "few"? It won't bring a substantial increase in subs, especially if it's a niche game.
And how do you know if "DarkFall is not for us". For many of us here, DarkFall IS for us. We really wanted to play DarkFall but some of the key flaws in the game has pushed us away from it. I had fun playing DarkFall but I just can't stand it's flaws anymore. That's all there is to it. So how dare you tell us what we should be doing when you have no clue what you are talking about.
lol, you people are such morons. You think the Darkfall population has peaked when they haven't even release a box version yet. Just accept the fact Darkfall was not for you and move on, plenty of us like the game how it is and plenty more will when box version is realease, I don't want to play with the general population of retards who can't handle a little grind anyway, they are just weaklings who should find an easier game instead of trying to ruin mine.
this is like the political opinions of 12 year olds, seriously, you kids have NFI what you are talking about and don't know what is good for DFO. They are never going to massivly reduce the grind enough for you weakling babies. Just find another game that you don't suck at so you don't have to come on the forums and whine about how the game needs to be changed to some game you liked to attract new players like a dumbass despite the fact there isn't even a box version on the shelves yet .
you know what the stupid kids do? they go buy a game that was too difficult for them and then of course they can't do well at it so they go to the forums and whine and bitch about how the game needs to be changed to make it easier for them so they can be able to do as well as anyone else. You know who you are. Find an easier game babies, Darkfall was not for you if you don't already love it. There are plenty of us who like the game how is it and don't need the grind reduced to allow a few weakminded shit players in. The difference is, we are actually playing DF instead of comming on the forums and whining about how a game that we don't even play needs to be changed to increase population like an idiot, even though there isn't a box version on the sleves yet.
I dont know how many times i have to repeat it for these idiots to realise.
THERE IS NO BOX VERSION YET, YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT FEW PLAYERS ARE INVALID.
Quit blaming the game for why you suck at take a good look at yourself. Find another easier game instead of trying to ruin mine scrubs. DF is obviously too hard for you and I love it that way.
You mean all 8 of you? I guess that means AV will release around 10 boxes of DF. Guess they can do it manually and spin a PR campaign out of it "We care about our customers so much, we gift wrap our boxed version of the game manually... all 10 of them. Still 2 boxes left, get it while u can!"
(...) they go buy a game that was too difficult for them
(...) Find another easier game instead of trying to ruin mine scrubs. DF is obviously too hard for you and I love it that way.
Just to clear it for you, there is nothing hard about Darkfall.
I don't know how about you, but I have no diffculties in repeating one action over and over again. The only diffucult aspect of Darkfall is the soul crashing boredom of grind. Everthing else is just TPS/FPS gameplay where your HP and damage completely depends on the grind. For you it can be hardcore, for me it is a waste of time, I can get simialar adrealine fix in a good multiplayer FPS.
Darkfall is far from being different and revolutionary as AV claimed in the past. It may offer FFA-PVP but even it flag feature massive conquest is a retard's child. I never expected from it to be as complex as EVE but Aventurine is not even interested in developing the games economical and strategical features.
This move is an outstanding move on Aventurine's part. I'm really glad they've continued to develop the game.
Consider every FPS you play, and then consider the difference in HP between you and your target. The skill is typically what determines 1 v 1 outcomes in FPS pvp. It's definitely more complex in an MMO setting, but as someone earlier mentioned, it's ONE stat out of .. 20? And, the 100 skills or so that you can now enhance exist as well. How could anyone complain about this?
What's fun about trying to pad your HP for several months just to be viable in a game that uses FPS combat? Darkfall has a lot to offer, but I wouldn't resub if I didn't know this change was coming.
I see it as whittling away the chaff and getting to a more skill-based playing field. Making the game HP driven and having droves of AFK swimmers, etc., is -not- the original vision for this game.
I've recently resubbed after being in the first wave of closed-beta invites and playing for two months after release. I'm going back to the game because I have a new computer, and the game has come along. Hopefully more new faces show up; hope to see you there.
lol, you people are such morons. You think the Darkfall population has peaked when they haven't even release a box version yet. Just accept the fact Darkfall was not for you and move on, plenty of us like the game how it is and plenty more will when box version is realease, I don't want to play with the general population of retards who can't handle a little grind anyway, they are just weaklings who should find an easier game instead of trying to ruin mine.
this is like the political opinions of 12 year olds, seriously, you kids have NFI what you are talking about and don't know what is good for DFO. They are never going to massivly reduce the grind enough for you weakling babies. Just find another game that you don't suck at so you don't have to come on the forums and whine about how the game needs to be changed to some game you liked to attract new players like a dumbass despite the fact there isn't even a box version on the shelves yet .
you know what the stupid kids do? they go buy a game that was too difficult for them and then of course they can't do well at it so they go to the forums and whine and bitch about how the game needs to be changed to make it easier for them so they can be able to do as well as anyone else. You know who you are. Find an easier game babies, Darkfall was not for you if you don't already love it. There are plenty of us who like the game how is it and don't need the grind reduced to allow a few weakminded shit players in. The difference is, we are actually playing DF instead of comming on the forums and whining about how a game that we don't even play needs to be changed to increase population like an idiot, even though there isn't a box version on the sleves yet.
I dont know how many times i have to repeat it for these idiots to realise.
THERE IS NO BOX VERSION YET, YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT FEW PLAYERS ARE INVALID.
Quit blaming the game for why you suck at take a good look at yourself. Find another easier game instead of trying to ruin mine scrubs. DF is obviously too hard for you and I love it that way.
You are calling us retards and you think a box version will save Darkfall? Jesus, we had 300k trying to get into beta, and we are 5k left. Every old school pvper had heard about DF, and they all rejected it. They liked the game but hated the grind. So in your imaginary world we will get tons of new players because they like the boxes that collect dust in the bookshelf. GET REAL.
And buhu, Darkfall is not hard at all. The game is piss easy and all you need is time. Infact the game is so easy I play it on two accounts while I write this. Usually I play another game at the same time I play Darkfall, that`s how piss easy it is. My magic is raising when I surf, watch TV and play other games. Ohhh... I work so hard for my skills I deserve to beat players with less than 6 months intensive grinding. Give me a breake.
Sadly I think you are right that AV wont reduse the grind enough. That`s why some of us think Darkfall have peaked. There isn`t a lot of pvpers that like to macro and kill tens of thousand NPC`s for 6 months just to get a competitive char. And your are lying when you say there is a lot of players who like this empty world we have now. Most of us would rather have a sever filled with good players we could test our playerskills against. Only scrubs and nonfactors need a high level char to be able to win against a new player. Why dont you head over to the goblin camp and see if you can find some new players you can own with your "skill". You are lucky if you find anyone there because we hardly got any new players. Second option is to find an afk harvester alt.
its not going to be fun when 1.5 year old chars get be easily beaten by two 1 month old chars.
I LoL'ed. I played Darkfall at launch and this really makes me laugh. You mean to tell me you've played this game since launch, have crazy stats and you are so hardcore and l33t that you are going to lose to 2 players that have been playing the game for a month? I don't think the changes to HP/vit are to blame. But your lack of skill. Funny how the hardcore are now QQ'ing. Isn't this the game you WANTED? A skill based FFA-PVP game....well you got it. Have fun.
Now you're also a whiner. The original intent of the game was that someone who has much higher skills should have an advantage over someone, but not a HUGE advantage. After launch, this intent was not manifest in actual gameplay; in fact quite the opposite happened. Someone who ground up their elemental magic and a few other skills could easily dominate many people.
The game you have thus far enjoyed was not the game as intended. It sounds like they are merely fixing it. So, if you prefer superiorty via grinding, go play a Korean MMO. If you prefer superiorty via player skill, well this probably also is not your game, but it's closer...
Just because you wasted hours grinding up skills, doesn't mean you deserve anything, it only means you wasted that much of your life.
Now you're also a whiner. The original intent of the game was that someone who has much higher skills should have an advantage over someone, but not a HUGE advantage. After launch, this intent was not manifest in actual gameplay; in fact quite the opposite happened. Someone who ground up their elemental magic and a few other skills could easily dominate many people.
The game you have thus far enjoyed was not the game as intended. It sounds like they are merely fixing it. So, if you prefer superiorty via grinding, go play a Korean MMO. If you prefer superiorty via player skill, well this probably also is not your game, but it's closer...
Just because you wasted hours grinding up skills, doesn't mean you deserve anything, it only means you wasted that much of your life.
Fucking kids and their sense of entitlement...
You know why he wont play a korean mmorpg instead of darkfall once the grind will get fixed, because in a korean mmorpg, you cant go back to starter town only to kill lvl 1 players. This is what he want. He want to kill noobs for ever in darkfall. Even after 2 months of play, he want to see them as noobs and stomp pwn them. He fear the challenge.
You know why he wont play a korean mmorpg instead of darkfall once the grind will get fixed, because in a korean mmorpg, you cant go back to starter town only to kill lvl 1 players. This is what he want. He want to kill noobs for ever in darkfall. Even after 2 months of play, he want to see them as noobs and stomp pwn them. He fear the challenge.
We just don't want quitters and those who can't stand having long term goals to ruin gameplay.
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This is what we have been telling the korean grinders for a year now, but they simply wont listen.
I don`t buy the "I want a long term goal" they hide behind any longer. They just want to keep the high level advantage to be able to kill low level players. They rather see an empty failing DF than letting new players get a fair fighting chance. I have to ask the grinders if they really play Darkfall. It`s not like you get away from the mob grind with a high level char if you play and pvp in this game. I have to spend hours to replace my siege gear when I die a few times. High end gear and enchants doesn`t fall into my bank. But I don`t think the grinders play darkfall, they are probably on some safe descolate island killing stupid NPC`s.
This, I think trashburnin is just a troll who will say stuff that will kill the game eventually like, Darkfall is in a fine state atm.
Darkfall just got a shot with a 50 calibur round through the stomache, these band aid patches/expansion the devs are throwing at us aint doing sht for making the population rise/return, June expansion needs to be a some huge revamps, and the df 2010 expansion in q4 needs to be a huge EXPANSION OF CONTENT, either one of these expansions(I will call them patches, because all expansion thus far been nothing more than a big-medium patch) then this game will fail IN MY PERSONAL Opinion, sure it may pull a shadowbane, and have 500 people for 7 years, but in my eyes and most of the mmorpg/gaming community, the game is a failure.
Most games increase in population especially after waiting a year after release.
The only way to make the population rise is to make the game more accessible to new players. I know they are trying to do this with some of their changes to stat gains, but I don't know if it will be enough. If new players still feel like they have 6 months of hard grinding to get competitive, they will continue to leave. Nothing will change until that perception changes...
I'm not saying I have a solution... Really anything they do at this point will piss of lots of people. If they significantly reduce the grind, the existing playerbase will feel screwed and revolt. If they don't significantly reduce the grind, new players will continue to leave. There is no way to please everyone... unless of course they somehow add enough fun CONTENT to the game that the grind doesn't seem as bad to newer players OR reduce the grind and give older players something else to focus their time and attention on other than grinding. Either way, that would be very tough to pull off at this state of the game...
There's still a large amount of players (even vets) who are asking the game to be more "accessible". By making the game more accessible, you not only allow new players to be more competitive quickly, but you're always helping Vets by giving them plenty of PvP, which is what DarkFall is supposed to be about. Regardless of what they do, Aventurine will lose subs temporarily. But it's a healthy loss of subs, as more players will join and make up for it.
The graphical update in my opinion is not exactly needed. I'd rather AV focus on fixing core features and systems that are broken such as Alignement system, Balancing Magic, Archery and Melee, etc. Giving more incentives for clans to go RAC instead of ARAC. Bring more of the promised features ("Owning" NPC Cities, able to create shop in NPC Cities, hire mercenary NPC and merchant NPC, etc).
I personally don't hate the current graphics, even though Elves looks horrible in certain armors. I'd still prefer if AV would flesh out the game a bit more based on promised features and bring more PvP. Prestige Class has little effect on PvP after all.
Coman, thank you for the amazingly simple insight that seems to elude so many gamers who play competitive games. The fun is in the journey. For players in a PvP game the fun seems to boil down to defeating, fighting, winning, and even losing in a fair fight.
I admit I don't play DF. But that's because I like my fun in a steady flow that I get from a PvE game. Where I either play on my own at my own pace or I team up with friends to play together cooperatively to achieve goals. If DF could include PvE with more depth of purpose--perhaps including a deep body of lore--I think it would attract and keep more players than it does now.
as a long term whiner I am glad to see we finaly win......sheesh...I mean how much do we have to whine?
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
To OP: Competitive players play Counter Strike, Darkfall was and still is a grinder.
I have never played this game (due to all the bad feedback it has had).
Anyways, yes i can understand why teh long term players are not happy about a change such as this, but i can also see (from forum posts about being killed constantly) by long termed players vs new players. from what i have read this is a constant thing (like many PvP games) people love to camp and kill the new players/lower ended players constantly, untill eventually they just give up playing. Yes i have had this happen myself on PvP servers and yes after 2-3 weeks i have given up, i can stand being picked on but not continously camped so its impossible to get any play or enjoyment.
Now, maybe not all players have done this but the ones that do it constantly are the ones to blame (only takes a percentage to ruin it for the rest). From what some have said the server is pretty empty, that to me says olders are leaving due to boredom, newer players are leaving due to be continually ganked all the time = nobody new is comming up = server populations decreasing = eventually server gets turned off unless something is done.
Thats teh way i see things with not just Darkfall but many other mmo's.
Hell yeah! Whiners for the win!
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
AV are aware that 4-6 months is too long to reac pvp. So for the next update, it wont be worst. We all said that we would be ok with 3 months. Also, AV might let us macro without kicking us out unless we macro under tower protection.
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Vet players get also constantly killed and except Ginger M. they accept it cause its Darkfall and you will die a lot.
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The difference is that I have 100 better chances of surival with M9 agaist a guy with M60 in Bad Company 2 then after 3 months of playing Darkfall. That's one of the reasons why I don't bother any more about it, I even removed the instalation files I won't be back this time.
I had enough of Boredom of Grind and lack of immersion in the game just to mention a few: slot machines, sea fortresses, choas chests spawning from a god's ass, siege stones ( WTF is that shit ? ). Furthermore I was hugely disappointed with the conquest system and the state of the economy in the game. Both of them are a missed opportunity to create a complex and immersive game and not just a Quake clone with a bigger map.
From my experience with AV patches and "expansions" I don't see the game go in the direction I was hoping for, not saying that most of their patches are nothing else then bug fixes and crude fast fixes for lack of proper content.
The problem is in my opinion that it took AV far too long to realise that "hardcore" players arent the customers they want for the game. If i remember the time pre release and compare now. These are worlds in between. The main problem for AV is that only people who left playing are these "hardcore" players. So if they want to reach again the new customers, they have to change the game so the community stays and new can get in. The balance of this what i would say very hard (SWG is worst case scenario). If im honest i would say that they had a chance for a community of 100k + players at start, but too many things went wrong (AVs fault, communitys fault what ever, as it doesnt matter anymore).
Even if they change these settings to casual friendly (no insane grind anymore), i got small hope that it will help game, as bad word of mouth is poison for a game. Ive never seen a game which recovered out of such situation (maybe AoC?). We can speculate as much we wont, but there is nothing what would help as to wait and see how they do it.
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lol, you people are such morons. You think the Darkfall population has peaked when they haven't even release a box version yet. Just accept the fact Darkfall was not for you and move on, plenty of us like the game how it is and plenty more will when box version is realease, I don't want to play with the general population of retards who can't handle a little grind anyway, they are just weaklings who should find an easier game instead of trying to ruin mine.
this is like the political opinions of 12 year olds, seriously, you kids have NFI what you are talking about and don't know what is good for DFO. They are never going to massivly reduce the grind enough for you weakling babies. Just find another game that you don't suck at so you don't have to come on the forums and whine about how the game needs to be changed to some game you liked to attract new players like a dumbass despite the fact there isn't even a box version on the shelves yet .
you know what the stupid kids do? they go buy a game that was too difficult for them and then of course they can't do well at it so they go to the forums and whine and bitch about how the game needs to be changed to make it easier for them so they can be able to do as well as anyone else. You know who you are. Find an easier game babies, Darkfall was not for you if you don't already love it. There are plenty of us who like the game how is it and don't need the grind reduced to allow a few weakminded shit players in. The difference is, we are actually playing DF instead of comming on the forums and whining about how a game that we don't even play needs to be changed to increase population like an idiot, even though there isn't a box version on the sleves yet.
I dont know how many times i have to repeat it for these idiots to realise.
THERE IS NO BOX VERSION YET, YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT FEW PLAYERS ARE INVALID.
Quit blaming the game for why you suck at take a good look at yourself. Find another easier game instead of trying to ruin mine scrubs. DF is obviously too hard for you and I love it that way.
So again, you feel the need to insult other forum members because you are unable to back up your argument with any relevant facts. I don't even understand how you can use something that does not exist to explain the low population.
Retail boxes are not as popular as they were in the past. Nowadays, it's far more common for users to download their game online. xFire, Steam, Direct2Drive, etc......beside, all the players who have played DarkFall so far have downloaded the game from AV's website. Retail Boxes won't bring any meaningful subs. Sure they are a few people who'd rather have a boxed version instead of downloading the 9 GB client, but notice the keyword "few"? It won't bring a substantial increase in subs, especially if it's a niche game.
And how do you know if "DarkFall is not for us". For many of us here, DarkFall IS for us. We really wanted to play DarkFall but some of the key flaws in the game has pushed us away from it. I had fun playing DarkFall but I just can't stand it's flaws anymore. That's all there is to it. So how dare you tell us what we should be doing when you have no clue what you are talking about.
You mean all 8 of you? I guess that means AV will release around 10 boxes of DF. Guess they can do it manually and spin a PR campaign out of it "We care about our customers so much, we gift wrap our boxed version of the game manually... all 10 of them. Still 2 boxes left, get it while u can!"
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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Seems like better tomorrows for Darkfall are on horizon
Just to clear it for you, there is nothing hard about Darkfall.
I don't know how about you, but I have no diffculties in repeating one action over and over again. The only diffucult aspect of Darkfall is the soul crashing boredom of grind. Everthing else is just TPS/FPS gameplay where your HP and damage completely depends on the grind. For you it can be hardcore, for me it is a waste of time, I can get simialar adrealine fix in a good multiplayer FPS.
Darkfall is far from being different and revolutionary as AV claimed in the past. It may offer FFA-PVP but even it flag feature massive conquest is a retard's child. I never expected from it to be as complex as EVE but Aventurine is not even interested in developing the games economical and strategical features.
This move is an outstanding move on Aventurine's part. I'm really glad they've continued to develop the game.
Consider every FPS you play, and then consider the difference in HP between you and your target. The skill is typically what determines 1 v 1 outcomes in FPS pvp. It's definitely more complex in an MMO setting, but as someone earlier mentioned, it's ONE stat out of .. 20? And, the 100 skills or so that you can now enhance exist as well. How could anyone complain about this?
What's fun about trying to pad your HP for several months just to be viable in a game that uses FPS combat? Darkfall has a lot to offer, but I wouldn't resub if I didn't know this change was coming.
I see it as whittling away the chaff and getting to a more skill-based playing field. Making the game HP driven and having droves of AFK swimmers, etc., is -not- the original vision for this game.
I've recently resubbed after being in the first wave of closed-beta invites and playing for two months after release. I'm going back to the game because I have a new computer, and the game has come along. Hopefully more new faces show up; hope to see you there.
You are calling us retards and you think a box version will save Darkfall? Jesus, we had 300k trying to get into beta, and we are 5k left. Every old school pvper had heard about DF, and they all rejected it. They liked the game but hated the grind. So in your imaginary world we will get tons of new players because they like the boxes that collect dust in the bookshelf. GET REAL.
And buhu, Darkfall is not hard at all. The game is piss easy and all you need is time. Infact the game is so easy I play it on two accounts while I write this. Usually I play another game at the same time I play Darkfall, that`s how piss easy it is. My magic is raising when I surf, watch TV and play other games. Ohhh... I work so hard for my skills I deserve to beat players with less than 6 months intensive grinding. Give me a breake.
Sadly I think you are right that AV wont reduse the grind enough. That`s why some of us think Darkfall have peaked. There isn`t a lot of pvpers that like to macro and kill tens of thousand NPC`s for 6 months just to get a competitive char. And your are lying when you say there is a lot of players who like this empty world we have now. Most of us would rather have a sever filled with good players we could test our playerskills against. Only scrubs and nonfactors need a high level char to be able to win against a new player. Why dont you head over to the goblin camp and see if you can find some new players you can own with your "skill". You are lucky if you find anyone there because we hardly got any new players. Second option is to find an afk harvester alt.
its not going to be fun when 1.5 year old chars get be easily beaten by two 1 month old chars.
I LoL'ed. I played Darkfall at launch and this really makes me laugh. You mean to tell me you've played this game since launch, have crazy stats and you are so hardcore and l33t that you are going to lose to 2 players that have been playing the game for a month? I don't think the changes to HP/vit are to blame. But your lack of skill. Funny how the hardcore are now QQ'ing. Isn't this the game you WANTED? A skill based FFA-PVP game....well you got it. Have fun.
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@OP: LOL...
Now you're also a whiner. The original intent of the game was that someone who has much higher skills should have an advantage over someone, but not a HUGE advantage. After launch, this intent was not manifest in actual gameplay; in fact quite the opposite happened. Someone who ground up their elemental magic and a few other skills could easily dominate many people.
The game you have thus far enjoyed was not the game as intended. It sounds like they are merely fixing it. So, if you prefer superiorty via grinding, go play a Korean MMO. If you prefer superiorty via player skill, well this probably also is not your game, but it's closer...
Just because you wasted hours grinding up skills, doesn't mean you deserve anything, it only means you wasted that much of your life.
Fucking kids and their sense of entitlement...
You know why he wont play a korean mmorpg instead of darkfall once the grind will get fixed, because in a korean mmorpg, you cant go back to starter town only to kill lvl 1 players. This is what he want. He want to kill noobs for ever in darkfall. Even after 2 months of play, he want to see them as noobs and stomp pwn them. He fear the challenge.
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We just don't want quitters and those who can't stand having long term goals to ruin gameplay.
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