Will there be gay marriage?

Plutonicwoes

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Plutonicwoes

Will there be gay marriage? Probably not.  

Should there be gay marriage? I'd say most people don't care either way.

Does this game need a human centipede option, yes.

You know technically web forums could be considered a human centipede. The first person in line sends their diseased crap out to be digested and refined by the next person in line who then "passes" it on for the next sucker to chew on.

(not an insult aimed at you, Plutonicwoes, or any other poster specifically, just a generalization of web forums as a whole.)

Not an insult at all, and actually, extremely accurate.  Kudos sir.

x3r0h

The real question is not whether there will be gay marriage but what will be the point in having marriage in a video game period. You want gay marriage, lobby for public policy in your own jurisdiction. You want to play video games, then play video games. This isn't a social network game like Mafia Wars or Farmville. It's also neither match.com or eharmony. It's a game where children, adults, people of all shapes and sizes, orientations, backgrounds, ethnicities, etc. play to escape reality and enjoy a good time with friends and/or family. Video games are not meant to be an insight into the human condition or rocket science. They are an outlet. They are a release. They are not meant to provoke sexual attraction and if they do its purely for marketing reasons only.

 

Before I get flamed, I am not criticizing ANYONE'S sexual orientation or preference. I am merely stating that reality and virtual reality are two different dimensions and need not mix.

Just as someone pointed out earlier, I don't want to go through the mundane tasks of taking a crap, sleeping, etc. in a virtual setting. I do that enough in reality.

Embry77

Originally posted by x3r0h

The real question is not whether there will be gay marriage but what will be the point in having marriage in a video game period. You want gay marriage, lobby for public policy in your own jurisdiction. You want to play video games, then play video games. This isn't a social network game like Mafia Wars or Farmville. It's also neither match.com or eharmony. It's a game where children, adults, people of all shapes and sizes, orientations, backgrounds, ethnicities, etc. play to escape reality and enjoy a good time with friends and/or family. Video games are not meant to be an insight into the human condition or rocket science. They are an outlet. They are a release. They are not meant to provoke sexual attraction and if they do its purely for marketing reasons only.

 

Before I get flamed, I am not criticizing ANYONE'S sexual orientation or preference. I am merely stating that reality and virtual reality are two different dimensions and need not mix.

Just as someone pointed out earlier, I don't want to go through the mundane tasks of taking a crap, sleeping, etc. in a virtual setting. I do that enough in reality.

Thread over.

Ragemaster

Originally posted by Leonidus0

Since GW2 will probably support marriage and player housing, I was wondering if there will be gay marriage. I think it's only fair and the players deserve equal rights just like in real life.

this has to be flame bait....

In before lock!

pepsi1028

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Originally posted by Erstok

I'm straight. Can I bring up straight marriges and straight things every 5 seconds. Do you want seperation of straights and gays with big signs over buildings in the game to?

No need for marriage in general in games. Why? Because quite honestly gay or not you want true equality then you get dissed just like every other middle to lower class person.

Please don't act like Straight people are hindered and shunned by society.

 but I get picked on by gays all the time....

Pryetta

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Pryetta

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Originally posted by Erstok

I'm straight. Can I bring up straight marriges and straight things every 5 seconds. Do you want seperation of straights and gays with big signs over buildings in the game to?

No need for marriage in general in games. Why? Because quite honestly gay or not you want true equality then you get dissed just like every other middle to lower class person.

Please don't act like Straight people are hindered and shunned by society.

Actually they are, depends on your religion, your race, how much money you make...but really....for the thread

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1261442/troll.swf

**Forewarning: Im pretty blunt, and dont feel the need to sugar coat most things to appease the overly sensitive. So if youre an easily offended nitwit who cant handle discussing reality and is of the opinion that you and people like you should be held up on some pedestal and nothing bad better ever dare be said about you/your group, dont bother reading the rest. If youre an actual normal person with a bit of common sense and who is capale of seeing beyond only your own situation, proceed** 

Thats whats funny, everyone whos part of some sort of minority wether it be race, religion, sexual preference, etc all have an attitude of "we're the only special ones, we're the only ones who are allowed to get any sort of special treatment, special organizations, allowed to talk about it constantly and have "pride" in it"... yet at the same time contradict themselves by crying "we want fair and equal treatment".

When the last time we saw a straight pride parade? The gay community would likely throw a hissy fit because of course being proud of being straight isnt as important as being proud of being gay, or is somehow detrimental to gay pride.

Just like with races. Black & brown pride everywhere, special organizations which discriminate against anyone outside of their own race (which is supposed to be illegal, yet if they enforced it against such groups like they do with whites,omg imagin the shit storm some idiots would cause), special funding for education, medical care, etc etc all perfectly acceptable and expected.... but if you happen to be a white male, especially a straight one youre pretty much screwed and have to actually do everything for yourself without special assistance because apparently being white automatically means youre rich and well educated and couldnt use some help now and then.

I live in a state full of illegal immigrants, and these people who are not even citizens of our country get more help from our own goverment than any natural born white citizen like myself gets. But yet theyre oh so proud of their own country, flags everywhere on cars, clothes, etc Yet if i were to say, get the german flag and white pride painted on my car id probably get mobbed.

How about we have a white pride parade? Oh but that would be offensive to everyone else and they would line up in droves to protest it, while planning their own pride parade.

 

 

Now I know, theres gonna be the people who didnt bother reading the initial warning, and of course are offended and will start with the im a racist/sexist/etc and other hateful remarks based on assumptions from what ive said above, but just to give you a clue before you start. Several of my closest friends are members of the gay community, i have attended gay pride parades with them, gone to some of the local gay bars, restaraunts, etc with them many times. And while i myself am white, i do have black family members (including my sister in law and nephews and nieces), nearly married a black woman, and am currently dating a mexican woman. So no, im not any of the things you would likely assume from the comments in my post, i simply dont agree with all the special treatment crap, and all the complaining and am not blinded to reality and how hard it actually is for many people who fit my own profile. We have just as much shit to deal with as any other group of people. It may be about different things, but we still struggle just as much as everyone else.

/rant over

Anyway back to the OP. Most likely not if they even do implement marriage. Though if its something you would like to see, i suggest posting about it on the official site and trying to get others as well. Perhaps with enough demand for it they will consider it.

Actually, I'm apart of a minority...I'm Pagan, we could care less and we only do things when we see it fit like when the government wouldn't allow the pentagram be placed upon the graves of soldiers who died but allowed the cross, the star of david and everything else. You never hear of a "Pagan Parade" or anything of that sort. I could care less if I see a straight parade, Christian Parade,  Gay Parade, "I'm proud to be Italian, Irish, Hispanic, whatever I feel like being today" Parade. I say, be proud of who you are. No matter what. Heck you must not of heard of the Scholorships for people with blue eyes, blonde hair...etc, they were down in Florida.

VirusDancer

The better question would be whether or not marriages are FFA PvP that involve permadeath?  Some people need to live out their fantasies and all, you know...

Henchdwarf

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 

if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

 

 

 

 

pepsi1028

Originally posted by denshing

 get chewed and spit out.

 and Boo'd off stage. 

But I kept rhyming and stepwritin' the next cypher

Best believe somebody's paying the pied piper

 --------Eminem

 

Besides his unintentional quoting of eminem.  Us straight people voice our opinions just as much as gays do.  Let them have theirs,  let you have yours, and let me have mine.

VirusDancer

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 

if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

 

It is not a political position.  It is a matter of semantics.  Generally speaking, how many people get "married" in a church of some sort (regardless of denomination) and how many people get "married" by a justice of the peace, etc?  It is a case that the term has become diluted, taken on other meanings, etc.

Face it, everybody should have to get a civil union - license, etc - if they want any paperwork involved (taxes, beneficiaries, etc) - and various religious organizations should be allowed to go on with their distinct beliefs - whether somebody finds them offensive or not.  Heck, there are families that all but go to war over their children dating when they are just from two different protestant sects.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church can state they do not recognize nor will they perform marriages between homosexual couples.  The government - whether at the local, state, or Federal level should just collect the revenue of anybody of the same species looking to get hitched.  It is not a political issue - there is no political issue - and that it is one is simply stupid.

Henchdwarf

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 

if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

 

It is not a political position.  It is a matter of semantics.  Generally speaking, how many people get "married" in a church of some sort (regardless of denomination) and how many people get "married" by a justice of the peace, etc?  It is a case that the term has become diluted, taken on other meanings, etc.

Face it, everybody should have to get a civil union - license, etc - if they want any paperwork involved (taxes, beneficiaries, etc) - and various religious organizations should be allowed to go on with their distinct beliefs - whether somebody finds them offensive or not.  Heck, there are families that all but go to war over their children dating when they are just from two different protestant sects.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church can state they do not recognize nor will they perform marriages between homosexual couples.  The government - whether at the local, state, or Federal level should just collect the revenue of anybody of the same species looking to get hitched.  It is not a political issue - there is no political issue - and that it is one is simply stupid.

 i think youll find it is a pretty strongly political issue, but only if you look, i dont know....anywhere?

perhaps we do not have the same meaning for the word "political".   while i agree with most of what you said, the issue (in rl, anyway)  is entirely legal, which is completely based on politics.

Swanea

I'm surprised it took this long for this thread to come up on this site.

Grimzay

Originally posted by Reizlanzer

I was going to reply to this thread seriously, but after seeing all the butt hurt people (no pun intended) and the trolls - I decided that my opinions would prove little.

 

At least I got to throw that bangin butt hurt joke in there.

 Haaaaahaha. Intended or not. That was epic.

Tardcore

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 

if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

 

 

 

 

I see that as a quite logical and rational question. However why should a privately owned, privately created FANTASY world be forced to add something from THIS reality if it does not reflect THEIR ideas of THEIR own game world? How hard is it to just not purchase and play a game doesn't provide a view point you agree with instead of forcing its creators to change THEIR vision to support YOURS? If the makers of GW2 wish to add same sex marriage becuase it fits in with their vision of their creation it doesn't concern me a bit. If they are forced by outsiders to add it to the game solely for those outsiders benefit then it concerns me a great deal.

Grimzay

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

There is no reason for gay's to marry... they are living a backwards lifestyle and have no need for such a spiritual union.

 Indeed.

Henchdwarf

Originally posted by Swanea

im surprised this thread has been up on this site for this long

 fixt

VirusDancer

Originally posted by Cruoris

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

It is not a political position.  It is a matter of semantics.  Generally speaking, how many people get "married" in a church of some sort (regardless of denomination) and how many people get "married" by a justice of the peace, etc?  It is a case that the term has become diluted, taken on other meanings, etc.

Face it, everybody should have to get a civil union - license, etc - if they want any paperwork involved (taxes, beneficiaries, etc) - and various religious organizations should be allowed to go on with their distinct beliefs - whether somebody finds them offensive or not.  Heck, there are families that all but go to war over their children dating when they are just from two different protestant sects.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church can state they do not recognize nor will they perform marriages between homosexual couples.  The government - whether at the local, state, or Federal level should just collect the revenue of anybody of the same species looking to get hitched.  It is not a political issue - there is no political issue - and that it is one is simply stupid.

 i think youll find it is a pretty strongly political issue, but only if you look, i dont know....anywhere?

perhaps we do not have the same meaning for the word "political".   while i agree with most of what you said, the issue (in rl, anyway)  is entirely legal, which is completely based on politics.

Was more a case of stating there is no reason for it to be a "political" issue than stating it was not one.  Obviously people are going to vote along the lines of what they feel to be morally correct, elect those politicians they feel are like minded, and thus religion will play a part in it - making it a religious issue that appears as a political issue.  If you removed religion from the matter, you would not have the driving force behind it - thus it is not technically a political issue of its own.  While it is true that there are very few pure political issues, most of them are a concatenation of various issues - few have the simple religious zeal that gay marriage does (abortion is another that comes to mind).

My suggestion was simply to increase the amount of revenue that the government takes in by licensing such unions, that these unions do not harm anybody in of themselves, and that people just continue offering their prayers/curses for the folks in their churches on whatever day or days they go.

We're talking gay marriage here - it is such a minor thing - there is no reason not to allow it.  Now if we were talking homosexuality in the military, then we have a bunch of things to discuss - since bunking etc is separated by gender based on the issues that it could cause - you would have to address those same issues on a different level.  You do not have such issues with the topic of gay marriage, and that it is still an issue is absurd - much less that it is a political issue when it is obviously actually a religious issue.

edit:  fixed a typo and a split infinitive

Henchdwarf

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 

if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

 

 

 

 

I see that as a quite logical and rational question. However why should a privately owned, privately created FANTASY world be forced to add something from THIS reality if it does not reflect THEIR ideas of THEIR own game world? How hard is it to just not purchase and play a game doesn't provide a view point you agree with instead of forcing its creators to change THEIR vision to support YOURS? If the makers of GW2 wish to add same sex marriage becuase it fits in with their vision of their creation it doesn't concern me a bit. If they are forced by outsiders to add it to the game solely for those outsiders benefit then it concerns me a great deal.

 who said anything was my vision?   all i said was, that to prevent same sex marriage in a game that offered marriage would be making a political/social statement.

 

Grimzay

I love how the OP asked the question and mysteriously disappeared.

He truly is a master in his art.

I mean, look at the post count at the on going arguments already.

I'm going to grab my popcorn and watch the rest like many others.

kaiser3282

Originally posted by Cruoris

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a MMO makes an ingame marriage feature, it is taking a political position if it has any gender restriction. It will be driving away open minded players if they prevent same gender marriage.  

 

if you dont like the idea gay marriage in an MMO, dont marry a member of the same gender in an MMO. otherwise why does it even concern you?

 

 

 

 

I see that as a quite logical and rational question. However why should a privately owned, privately created FANTASY world be forced to add something from THIS reality if it does not reflect THEIR ideas of THEIR own game world? How hard is it to just not purchase and play a game doesn't provide a view point you agree with instead of forcing its creators to change THEIR vision to support YOURS? If the makers of GW2 wish to add same sex marriage becuase it fits in with their vision of their creation it doesn't concern me a bit. If they are forced by outsiders to add it to the game solely for those outsiders benefit then it concerns me a great deal.

 who said anything was my vision?   all i said was, that to prevent same sex marriage in a game that offered marriage would be making a political/social statement.

 

 Such as? Something like the devs are anti-gay marriage or something?

jakojako

Only gay marriage should be allowed. That'd be AWESOME.

 

Then women would be forced to role play lesbians with me! HA!

someforumguy

There is always gay marriage/relationship in a MMO. Its just that sometimes the player with the male toon doesnt realise it

eycel

This thread got totally off track I think.  We shouldnt be debating all the politics.  All the op asked was should it be allowed in the game.  I dont get how people derail this thread so far off topic.  Im honestly quite suprized that there has been this many posts so far.  Everyone knows that GW2 isnt going to have any marriage features in there game in the first place, so why is this even being discussed. 

just2duh

 I think it would only be fair for that option to exist. It wouldn't be the first game to do it either, Runes of Magic just announced gay marriage will be possible, although it caused some people to quit (hard to believe but it happened),even Dragon Age touched on this to an extent.

 Thing is though it would probably bump the age rating up for the game, since the whole idea is strongly aggainst many peoples beliefs, they would have to put some sort of extra warning about it. 

 Not to mention if some new laws currently in the works reguarding game ratings get passed, any parents letting their children play mature games could face possible jail time in some states.. 

 

 So If both the ESRB rating were raised and those laws passed, this simple little feature could really narrow their playerbase and hurt the game in the end, unfortunately.

Serpentar

Another silly pointless bashing/flaming/trolling topic. How coy.